Hit the Mat 4.20.09: Anderson Silva is the Worst Fighter Ever...
Posted by Matt McEwen on 04.20.2009
...and he'll never have a good fight again! It's possible that the title is a bit of hyperbole, but you'll have to read the article to find out.
Boring.
Awful.
Embarrassing.
Worst championship fight in recent memory.
Worst FIGHT in history.
All these comments - and worse - have been floating around the MMA internet world in the aftermath of Anderson Silva's less than scintillating performance against Thales Leites Saturday night in Montreal. It was certainly an inauspicious way to go about setting the all time record for consecutive wins inside the Octagon (he's 9-0 since he debuted) as well as tying Matt Hughes' all time consecutive defense record at 5.
But the fight was not any of the four things mentioned above, except maybe embarrassing for a few parties. What the fight really was was AGGRAVATING. Leites had a good first round once they started to engage finally and was able to score a fairly easy takedown, only to be stifled by Silva's underrated ground defense. From there, the disheartened Leites ate a few shots and tasted the champ's power, and we were left with a challenger just looking to survive and avoid too much damage. This is not the end of the world as a lot of fighters who get in there with someone that much better than them - often feeling that for the first time in their competitive lives - buckle under the pressure and go into pure survival mode. By the time Leites was dropping to his back as punches were just starting to come at him in hopes that Silva would follow him down, everyone knew any chance for any excitement at all was gone.
That was aggravating in it's own right, but what was really aggravating was watching Silva play it safe for the last three rounds. By the end of the second, the outcome was pretty clear. It would have been a small miracle for Leites to pull something out at that point, while Silva still looked fresh and was dancing.....and dancing....and dancing......and dancing. He was very creative with his striking, using some that are not often scene outside of self defense classes. In fact, he was so creative that it often looked like he was in a glorified, half hearted sparring session as opposed to a championship fight. It felt like he had turned it down a notch, but that if he really wanted to he could turn it back on and finish the fight at any moment. The words "felt" and "seems" are probably pretty accurate here as the blame for the lack excitement probably falls more on Leites' shoulders than on Silva's, but when you have been promoted as the best fighter in the world, have destroyed several fighters in a row and possess the skill set that Silva has, performances like this get laid at your feet, not those of the challenger.
To be fair, Silva probably was trying hard. But as the aggravation started to come through in his body language and the disdainful way he played around with Lietes at times, you could feel the aura that has surrounded him for the past 3 years start to slide away. Destroyers do not slap people's feet, they knock people out.
While two fights do not make a style, it seems certain that as long as Silva is taking on non-elite challengers - and with all due respect to Lietes and Patrick Cote, who are very good, they are not elite - his fights will go like this. A blueprint has been laid out for how a good but not great fighter can survive against Silva, which is the first step towards beating him. It will not make for good fights, but if your choices are to be James Irvin or Thales Lietes, which do you think most fighters would choose?
With all that in mind, one might expect that the future is bereft of good match ups for "The Spider". One would be wrong as there are a few new challengers out there for Silva, and at least two retreads as well.
Among the new middleweights some portions of the fan base are clamoring to see fight for the title, the obvious one right now is jiu jitsu ace Demian Maia. While the UFC promoted Lietes as the kind of guy custom made to beat Silva, Maia might more aptly fit that bill. While questions remain about Maia's ability to take a punch from someone like Silva - though you could say that about almost anyone who hasn't already taken a punch from Silva - there are none about his ability once a fight hits the ground. While Silva did a good job styming anything Lietes attempted in their one trip to the ground by utilizing a solid leg lockdown, it would be interesting to see if he is defensively proficient enough to deal with Maia. It has been mentioned before that these two are an intriguing match up as one's weakness is the other's strength, but at the same time, if Maia were unable to do much to Silva on the ground, we could very well end up with a replay of Saturday night's event, which no one really wants to see. It is this fact that might end up making Maia the big loser out of Saturday night, as he may have gone from assured title shot to back burner.
One challenger who would pretty much guarantee an exciting fight would Wanderlei Silva. At the very least, his style would force Anderson to fight. A mild war of words has broken out in the aftermath of Wanderlei's announced drop to 185lbs, and you would have to imagine that if he is able to best Rich Franklin, then he could very well get fast tracked into a fight. There is a built in story line as the two are former Chute Boxe teammates, and you would have to imagine the UFC would love to put Anderson into a fight with someone like Wanderlei - infinitely popular, marketable and with a style that guarantees excitement.
The only other new challenger on the immediate horizon at 185lbs is popular Brit Michael Bisping. If he is victorious over Dan Henderson at the culmination of this season of TUF, Bisping will have defeated an elite fighter for the first time and staked a claim to be a legit contender. This is something fans should fear happening. Bisping has displayed very little power in his showings at 185, but has shown an ability to game plan around that. His fight with Chris Leben might give us an unfortunate idea bout how he would handle someone with Silva's power - avoid it at all costs. Given the recent styles of both fighters, I see no reason to suspect that there would be even a modicum of excitement if they matched up.
Which means we should all hope for a Henderson win come July 11th. Hendo was able to win the first round over Silva in their match up before being choked out, but at least he has shown that he can close the distance, take a punch and force Silva to fight. He is still one of the best fighters in the world, and even though he is aging, his is a skill set that ages well since he has never relied too much on timing or slipping punches. He has however, relied on his clinch game - though that is probably something to avoid with Silva - and his wrestling, which is the weakest part of Silva's game. While his sprawl looked good in the second round against Lietes, he looked awkward trying to avoid the takedown in the first, and has shown to not have the best takedown defense in the sport. Wrestling is something that gives Henderson a definite shot against Silva, but there are no guarantees that we would not just see a repeat of their original fight.
Wrestling is also a good reason to think that the likes of Yushin Okami might have a shot against Silva, and you would have to imagine Silva would not mind avenging his last loss, but the UFC has been quite reluctant to give Okami the shot a lot of people think he may have already earned. If he defeats Jim Miller in their upcoming fight, it would be hard to say he does not deserve a shot, but then again, that is hard to say now.
The other rematch out there that looks promising would be Nate Marquardt. Moving forward from his disappointing loss to Silva where sometimes seemed in awe of the champion, Marquardt has improved his game in almost every facet, but particularly in his striking where he has became very dynamic. He has good power and in his recent destructions of Martin Kampmann and Wilson Gouviea - both good strikers themselves - he has looked nearly as destructive as Silva looked throughout 2006 and 2007. Marquardt has vowed he would not lose a rematch, going so far as to say Silva has not fought the Marquardt who exists now. Whether that is an attempt to bolster his ego or true confidence is a question I would love to see answered.
Outside of the division, there is the looming super fight with 170lb champion Georges St. Pierre. With Silva coming into the Lietes fight at 182lbs, a catchweight of 177lbs or so might not be so outlandish. The shine on that fight got dulled a lot on Saturday though, and it is likely that in addition to St. Pierre having to get through Thiago Alves at UFC 100, Silva will have to have an impressive win between now and that proposed fight.
So all is not lost for Silva. His last two fight could very well have sealed the deal with him ever becoming a top draw for the UFC, but the opponents on the horizon should at least give him an opportunity to get back in the discussion as the top fighter in the world, as well as the most exciting. He is as good as he ever was, but styles make fights, and his style might be harder to create exciting match ups with than we had expected.
MMA is about winning not entertaining. WWE is for entertainment i watch both btw but i dont expect these guys to entertain me. I expect Anderson Silva to win.
Posted By: ian (Guest) on April 19, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Anderson Silva = Best in the world
- He doesnt even have to try to beat people, GSP and Fedor bust there ass trying to beat down someone but Silva just walks into the cage and seemingly has won as soon as the bell rings.
MMA *critics* said Hendo has the best style to beat Silva and you all failed. Some said Leites had a chance and you failed again. Now you jump on the Maia bandwagon, he too will fail. Bisping.... Dear god thats just funny. Wandy may get a chance and he will get murdered. NO ONE WILL BEAT ANDERSON SILVA IN THE UFC.
Anderson Silva is the best fighter in the world, deal with it.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on April 19, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Actually, MMA is about entertaining, if you win in an entertaining way and people are interested in you, you will be fast tracked to the top (like Brock Lesnar). If your not, you'll have to be like John Fitch and win 8 times in a row to get a shot.
Posted By: Rpr (Guest) on April 19, 2009 at 11:46 PM
RPR it shouldnt be that way though. I mean sometimes the "wrestling" feel as far as matchmaking in UFC has gone is starting to turn me off sometimes.
The leites fight was tailor made for this to happen btw. Why everyone is surprised and upset IDK. You have a elite standup and elite ground guy (I dont care what Rogan says) against a guy who is elite in only ground. So you get a fight with one guy pulling guard and the other slipping out and standing up. We saw lot of creative strikes and leites got alot of damage. Let me let new fans in on a secret not all fights are 2 round brawls that end. Alot are prodding stalemates or overclassed surival fights. I thinks the fans have been spoiled. Not every fight is exicting. Even the greatest fighter can and will have a boring fight. Get used to it you will see it agian and BTW their have been worse cards in the past 2 years. And Dana being upset with silva is F'd! Silva did his job so STFU!
Posted By: Guest#8932 (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 12:32 AM
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter in the world, deal with it.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on April 19, 2009 at 11:38 PM"
FEDOR EMILIANENKO IS, has ALWAYS BEEN and will ALWAYS BE The VERY BEST Fighter IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE.
Stop being a biased/blinded UFC Sheep/groupie and recognize the TRUTH.
FEDOR is one billion times superior to all the Anderson Silvas of this world.
He never ever DISRESPECTED An Opponent like Silva did with Cote.
NEVER.
He never showboated and ran circles around his opponent and taking both a fight and a crowd as april fool jokes.
Anderson Silva is EVERYTHING I Hate about the UFC :
Arrogant, direspectful of both the crowds and his opponents and boring to watch.
Matt Mc Ewen is absolutely SPOT ON Here.
FEDOR >>>>> SILVA
Bar Frickin None
Dig IT
Posted By: FEDOR >>>>> A.SILVA (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 01:29 AM
The only reason Dana has Silva at #1 P4P is because he can't sign Fedor. Even his own fighters, from Randy Couture to GSP, acknowledge that Fedor is the greatest. Dana knows Fedor is the best, but he can't say that because he doesn't have him under contract. Believe me, if the UFC ever signed Fedor, they'd immediately promote him as the #1 fighter in the world.
Nothing much changed for me after this Silva fight, except the already grand canyon sized gap between Fedor and Silva (who I do think is #2 P4P) grew even greater. Can Fedor lose? Of course, it's MMA, anything is possible. But he keeps defying the odds and has made a career out of winning convincingly no matter the situation. At this point, he earns the benefit of the doubt, and you have to consider him the best until someone, anyone, at least takes a round off him again (I don't think that's happened for a good 8 years now).
Incidentally, MMA is entertainment. It's like any other job you can have in the world. Your official job duties will be to get whatever work done it is you have to do. But unofficially, people that are truly interested in being the best of their fields, will always do many other things outside of just what they have to do to get the job done. You'll socialize with others and build relationships, bring in new business, find better ways of doing things, and work longer hours than what you are supposed to work. Then when there's an opening for a promotion, chances are you'll get it over someone who doesn't do any of that, and who just does whatever the job is supposed to be. In MMA, yeah your job is to win. But doing it in an entertaining fashion is what brings in more customers, which gets you higher on the card and gets you title shots, which in turn makes the company more money, which in turn lines your pockets more. But you don't have to do any of that, just don't expect people to be thrilled to fork over hard earned money to watch you over somebody that does.
Posted By: Serp (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 02:01 AM
for people to call fedor the P4P best... i guess u can call a man that wen his last fight.. his game plan was to get his ass whooped for the whole fight until he got a luck punch in out of nowhere... ..
SILVA on the other hands. doesnt take damage in any of his fights... doesnt even uses 80% of his will true potential to dominate his division...
thats why even see MACHIDA as a potential P4P contender as well
Posted By: wylung (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 02:50 AM
If MMA is about winning, not once did I believe that Silva ever tried to finish or actually win that fight.
Posted By: Jeffrey (Registered) on April 20, 2009 at 02:54 AM
Yes Worst fighter ever. Next week im making my mma debut against fedor next week and im going to knock him out. The person who thinks anderson is the worst fighter was joking like i am right?
Posted By: Andy (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 03:31 AM
I actually agree with Liddell's comments on this situation (I don't know if this article mentions it)
pretty much Silva did fine...the other guy was the one being a pussy rolling on the ground
Posted By: SmokaJoka (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 06:51 AM
He is the best of a current weak division (lot of fighters past their prime). period. Real proof of this is how quick he got is title fight. That would never happen in 170 or 205. Silva only chance against GSP would be to clip him.
Posted By: Ikeman (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 07:11 AM
Silva also greased in the fight, watch pre start of round one and two, he takes the Vaseline applied to his face and spreads it on his arms shoulder and chest. We have another greaser ladies and gentlemen. Silva is nothing short of a disgrace. I hope Wanderlai knocks his head of and we have a death in the octagon. Thats what should happen to all the greasers out there.
Posted By: The Last Emperor (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 07:41 AM
Actually, Dana promotes Silva as the best fighter in the world because he's not a marketable draw otherwise. I'm sure Dana realizes that Silva's not even the best fighter under Zuffa contract (that honor would go to either GSP or Miguel Torres). And yes, if the UFC were to sign Fedor, he'd get the the "best fighter in the world" treatment as well, because, like Silva, he's not a draw in the US. Affliction's PPV numbers deomonstrate that. When Fedor faces someone who could hang at the top of the UFC heavyweight division TODAY, and not two or more years ago, and he dismantles them with ease, then you can start throwing "BEST OF ALL TIME IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE~!" claims out there.
I honestly don't think Fedor could beat Shane Carwin, and probably not Brock Lesnar. Blasphemy, I know! But Carwin's chin is unbelievable, and he's too damned big (and coordinated, unlike Hong Man Choi) for Fedor to easily get to the ground. Brock's a better wrestler than Carwin, but his chin is untested (at least compared to the show Carwin put on against Gonzaga).
Pound for pound, Fedor's in the top three, but I think GSP's better wrestling and more dynamic striking and Torres' all-around badassery put them above "The Last Emperor".
Posted By: Wyatt Beougher (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 09:17 AM
I think there's enough blame to go around. Silva, Leities, and the management that put this fight together should all get equal blame. Bottom line, Silva really should be fighting at 205 anyways. Instead he's still messing around at middleweight, engaging in sparrin exhibitions against vastly overmatched opponents.
Posted By: Josh (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 09:25 AM
Sorry guys the W at the end is what matters if the fighters can make the fans enjoy it then so much the better but if you were in his place wouldn't you rather have the W? Also I am severely dissapointed with the disrespect for Anderson Silva, not everyone has a great fight all the time anyone with their mancrush that hugs Fedor's balls and says he had a great fight in every fight is lying. Anderson Silva is one of the most talented fighters around but the way REAL combat works is not everything goes to plan. I'm sure Spiderman intended to knock Leities out but it didn't work out that way however he still had the dominant victory so when the day is done Anderson Silva is still the champ and one of the best fighters.
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 09:29 AM
Article or no article he is still a top draw won his fight. As I stated somewhere else you wining bitches on the net if you pay to visit a zoo want the zookeeper to jump into the lion's cage for your $15 too I would imagine, any of us on the net can try for a punch and roll to our backs to survive. Also I will never acknowledge Fedor as the P4P fighter just by taking on older people the have been released from the UFC and freakshows he needs to get into the sandbox or gtfo the playground.
Posted By: Daniel (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 10:26 AM
let fedor fight someone in his prime and maybe. oh wait he fought crocop yea what happened to his ass in ufc.
Posted By: Guest#6709 (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Was I disappointed in the fight??? Sure, a little. Ya it wasn't the exciting KO or submission that Spider used to do that put him on the UFC map, but that's the thing, he's not going to get that opportunity now. All his opponents scout him now and realize trying to tangle with him like the guys did in the past end up on the losing end. It was disappointing in the lack of action, but Silva didn't disappoint as this continued to show just how great he is, and clearly is light years above anyone in his weight class.
Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM
"Actually, Dana promotes Silva as the best fighter in the world because he's not a marketable draw otherwise. I'm sure Dana realizes that Silva's not even the best fighter under Zuffa contract (that honor would go to either GSP or Miguel Torres). And yes, if the UFC were to sign Fedor, he'd get the the "best fighter in the world" treatment as well, because, like Silva, he's not a draw in the US. Affliction's PPV numbers deomonstrate that. When Fedor faces someone who could hang at the top of the UFC heavyweight division TODAY, and not two or more years ago, and he dismantles them with ease, then you can start throwing "BEST OF ALL TIME IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE~!" claims out there.
I honestly don't think Fedor could beat Shane Carwin, and probably not Brock Lesnar. Blasphemy, I know! But Carwin's chin is unbelievable, and he's too damned big (and coordinated, unlike Hong Man Choi) for Fedor to easily get to the ground. Brock's a better wrestler than Carwin, but his chin is untested"Posted By: Wyatt Beougher (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 09:17 AM
Says The Biggest UFC Blinded groupie in history.
Carwin has never ever faced a TOP 10 HW would destroy Fedor ?
ROFLMAO
And Lesnar destroying Fedor is also a good joke and I'm a HUGE Lesnar fan.
You're obviously an UFC sheep , how much did Dana pay you for claiming such non sense ?
Arlovski and Sylvia are "past their primes" ?
Big Nog and Cro Crop were totally on their PRIME when he destroyed them do you realize it ?
Fedor would eat Carwin and Lesnar ALIVE.
Any MMA fan who has a real knowledge of the sport and not just UFC would tell you so.
Posted By: FEDOR >>> UFC (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM
There are many subjectively fueled comments in this section that I take exception to, but I just don't have the energy to respond to the blind.
Posted By: Guest#3923 (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 12:43 PM
To Paul, I don't think anyone questions that Anderson Silva is not one of, if not the, most talented fighter out there. Which is exactly why its so dissapointing to see him go out there and just fight "not to lose" rather than fighting to win. Hell, even his buddy Lyoto Machida of all people has been more aggressive than Silva in recent fights. But everyone has bad nights, maybe Silva comes back in his next fight and annihilates someone, then everyone forgets about this fight. As far as blaming Thales Leites go, some people might have a point there with all of his flopping, but who the hell really cares about Thales Leites? And if the reason for Silva's recent lethargy is a lack of motivation, then he really needs to move up to 205 and leave the middleweight title to people who are willing to fight for it.
Posted By: Josh (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM
And to Daniel, in what world is Silva still a top draw? I don't deny the man's talent, but isn't he currently the lowest drawing of all the current champions. I can't imagine this most recent fight will help much with that.
Posted By: Josh (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 12:54 PM
WHY NOT BLAME LEITES? EVERYONE BOOED SILVA WHILE LEITES SHOWED HIS BEST IMPRESSION OF A PROSTITUTE. WALK UP TO THE WHORE AND SHE WILL GET ON HER BACK. I think Anderson Silva could have worked harder to finish, but why dive into someones guard when you know that is their best advantage. If he thought he could go with Spider , he would have stayed up. This is without a doubt, the worst PPV I have ever seen from UFC. Im glad there are other leagues to watch in these trying times. Stann Looked ridiculous. Cantwell may have not won the fight but the scoring was ass backwards. No one gave him a round , including the 2nd when he pushed the pace. Lidell (who is one of my favorites) looked more like an old man confused in a retirement home. "What happended? Is it over? What time does Matlock come on? Wheres my pre chewed steak?" I hope UFC does something to ensure we dont see some lame ass show like this again.
Posted By: Steeler Steve (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 01:25 PM
Shutup about Fedor, PLEASE. All these same people hyped up Mirko Cro Cop, claiming him to be the greatest fighter on the planet at the time. It took a matter of a few fights to prove everybody was completely wrong and it was all HYPE. He was a damn good fighter, but he got destroyed. So stop hyping Fedor like he's the greatest of all time, when he's clearly not. When he comes to the UFC and destroys people nonstop, I'll accept that you're right. And he will arrive in UFC at one point, because they all do. UFC is growing into a huge business and once the money is right, Fedor will be there. Hopefully Lesnar or somebody drops him on his ass too.
And Silva is a fantastic fighter. Two fights ago everybody was claiming him to be the best fighter on the planet. Two fights later and apparently he's terrible, overrated and boring. Grow up people and understand the sport. There's no doubt that after Silva destroys his next opponent, all these same people will go back to glory hunting and claim 'OMGZ BEST FIGHTER ALIVE'.
Posted By: JP774Life (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 02:22 PM
The Problem Isnt Silva,Its The UFC Trying To Make Us Believe That Leites was an actual contender when he is not.Leites should have never gotten a title shot,cote should have never gotten a title shot,if i was anderson silva i would refuse to fight unless it was against a top five or ten fighter.The only people who should be saying that there sorry is dana white and the ufc,not the undefeated champ
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 02:41 PM
No matter how you look at it (whoever you blame), the fight was boring. I was pissed that I paid 49.95 to watch it.
Posted By: MattMcEwen (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 03:35 PM
I'm far from a blind UFC sheep, FEDOR>>>>>>>>UFC. I think if you could grasp the concept of irony, you'd be able to get a nice chuckle out of you calling someone a blind sheep and still posting a comment with that name. Tell me - how, exactly, is Fedor better than the UFC? Does he make more money? No? Does he generate more PPV buyrates? No? Is he the best fighter in the world? Looking at many recent pound-for-pound lists, that's also a no? Just making a comparison like that, a fighter to an organization, is asinine, and your lack of logic only compounds the fact.
So, simply because Shane Carwin hasn't matched up with any Top 5 talent, that makes it somehow impossible for him to beat Fedor? Here's what I know about Shane Carwin - he's bigger than Fedor (likely 40-50 pounds when the fight actually happens), he's a solid wrestler and isn't going to be easily taken down, his fists are the size of toasters (seriously, the fight gloves that were specially made for Brock Lesnar were too small for Carwin), and he took repeated punches to the face from the guy who KO'ed Cro Crop into irrelevancy, and not only didn't get KO'ed, he said afterwards he couldn't even feel them.
As far as Brock Lesnar, he's got the same size advantage as Carwin, if not more pronounced, he's an even better wrestler than Carwin, and he's got freakish speed for his size. Did you see how many times he hit Randy in the time it took for the official to stop that fight? Fedor has never faced athletes with skill sets like that, and, until he does, you can't just throw a blanket statement out there about how he's the greatest fighter alive ever. It's not like saying Miguel Torres has never faced someone with Fedor's skill set, because Lesnar and Carwin are in Fedor's weight class.
Yes, Fedor has put together an impeccable record, but just like Cro Cop and Shogun and Wandy have all learned/are all learning, the UFC is an entirely different beast altogether.
Yes, he beat two former UFC heavyweight champions, but Arlovski has a glass chin and Sylvia's never been all that impressive. The fact that neither is relevant within the same calendar year of leaving the UFC speaks volumes to Dana White's decision making in not attempting to keep both guys in the UFC.
Call me a sheep, if that's what helps you get to sleep at night, but I think even Fedor himself has realized that he's never going to be widely considered the best of all time if he doesn't come through the UFC, and that window of opportunity is closing, at least if he wants to be competitive. Of course, if he jumped to the UFC tomorrow and promptly lost three or four times (a la Wandy or Cro Cop), the same people that said they'd clean out the UFC would be making the same excuses about Fedor being past his prime.
Posted By: Wyatt Beougher (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 04:51 PM
"Stop being a biased/blinded UFC Sheep/groupie and recognize the TRUTH."
Aren't you doing the same thing? You tell someone to stop and then you turnaround and hop right on Fedor's pole with reasons why you think he's the best fighter.
Posted By: Guest#3046 (Guest) on April 20, 2009 at 08:13 PM
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