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Tapping Out With TBerg 07.17.09: Episode XL: Mainstream This!
Posted by Todd Bergman on 07.17.2009



I'm starting to understand how Kimbo Slice felt after his embarrassing loss to Seth Petruzelli on CBS back in October of 2008. I say that I understand how he feels because the media in general has taken every negative shot that it could possibly take this past week at the sport that I so dearly love. UFC 100 was to be the showcase event that was to propel the UFC to some sort of "mainstream" acceptance amongst fans and wannabe fans everywhere. Obviously, some questionable things happened on the card including Mac Danzig having the nerve to actually bleed during his fight, Dan Henderson hitting an opponent before being stopped by the referee, and Brock Lesnar acting like an emotional mess. With nearly a week having passed and looking back on those things that were "questionable" they don't seem that big or important in my eyes. Let's have a look back at some of the factors that have come together to produce this mass appeal and dislike for the event.


How dare he bleed so much!


The Lesnar Effect
Brock Lesnar is a big name for most people out there. However, unlike what is portrayed in the mass media, he's isn't the biggest name in MMA. I'm sorry but I still don't see him above people such as Rampage Jackson, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, or even Forrest Griffin. With that said, the media focused on Lesnar and his rematch with Frank Mir while mostly ignoring the fact that Lesnar had won two other high-quality UFC fights since first meeting Mir at UFC 81. As the event grew closer and closer, it seemed like the majority of media outlets who didn't cover MMA in the past were trying to build Lesnar as a wrestler who did nothing but step off the squared circle and enter the cage. It's fairly ridiculous that any sort of reporting or column writing would take place around that notion. However, it did and it continued all the way up to the minute that the fight happened. The pro wrestler Brock Lesnar stopped the MMA fighter Frank Mir and that should be the end of MMA, right? If that wasn't bad enough, Lesnar had the nerve to get in the face of the man that bad-mouthed him for the better part of 15 months. To top it all off, Lesnar then insulted a major sponsor and boasted about having sex with his wife. You may not be like me and realize the absurdness and the hypocrisy that is coming from the media around this event. I will go back and state that Lesnar was completely wrong for insulting the sponsor, but it's not like Bud Light is going to end it's contract with the UFC over Brock saying those things. There was also the middle finger salute that Lesnar gave to the crowd that is being blown completely out of proportion. A good majority of people out there think that no matter what you say or do to a person that they should respect you and your thoughts. Obviously, being somewhat of an MMA Columnist, you quickly find out that doesn't happen. Who cares if Lesnar flipped anyone off, especially a great deal of people that booed him for the sole reason of him being a former pro wrestler. Isn't that the real reason that people can't stand Lesnar? Far be it for someone to be a former NCAA champion and then enter a sport where a good majority have gone before. I hope that all of those fans that booed Lesnar in Vegas would do the same when Josh Barnett, Sakuraba, Dan Severn, and countless other respectable MMA fighters who have toyed with pro wrestling in the past enter the Octagon.


He just wanted to lay with his wife


My other complaint is that MMA doesn't have a face to it. When I think of MMA, there isn't one person who I instantly think of that is the standard barer for the sport. As I mentioned above, you do have guys like a Randy Couture or Chuck Liddell who could be the supposed face of MMA, but the sport changes so much that it's impossible to have one particular person representing the entire sport. On Friday, I did my usual guest spot on the local AM station here in Indy and I was asked the questions. "Are you ok with Brock Lesnar being the face of the UFC and MMA?" My immediate answer was, "Of course, I'm ok with it, but MMA isn't a sport where one guy is the face." In all honesty, I should've said that with so many events happening each month and so many dream fights happening it's hard to imagine someone becoming the only person that we, as fans, can relate to. So my mindless rambling has led me to believe that the media, who doesn't follow MMA, is desperately trying to kill the sport that they don't understand. It nearly happened in 2008 when countless outlets attached MMA to Kimbo Slice full-knowing that he would eventually lose and that they could use the excuse that MMA wasn't a stable enough sport to build stars in. That's why I now feel bad for Kimbo Slice because I know that he was forced out there not only by a shady company in Elite XC but he was the scapegoat for those hundreds of media outlets. Brock Lesnar has now reached that level, and I have to believe that many of the writers were just waiting for Brock to lose so they could throw the sport under the bus again. Instead, they got a one-sided ass kicking by Lesnar and some risky behavior after the fight. Since they didn't get the defeat, they latched onto the post-fight actions as if they had taken place on PBS during Sesame Street.

I will remind every one of those writers who took negative shots at MMA that these fights took place on Pay-Per view, where you actually have to fork over some cash to watch this. MMA, more specifically, is a full-combat sport and isn't for the weak of heart. Typically guys are nice to each other after the fights but not always. There is no set rule that states both guys have to hug it out after the fight. In fact, if they did then the sport would become boring as it's nice to occasionally see people who don't like each other duke it out and then not be friends afterwards. My basic motto concerning the negative thoughts involving Lesnar's treatment of the crowd and comments is that you can always turn the channel and not watch if you don't want to. I can tell you that I, personally, don't care if the LA Times, or New York Post comments on any of the UFC events. I don't judge the success of the sport on whether or not it's gets what is considered mainstream coverage. The sport is thriving without the positive coverage of any of those publications, and they have only recently jumped aboard due to the recent setback in newspaper subscriptions. We, as MMA fans, don't need a bunch of high-browed people telling us what we should and shouldn't appreciate about the sport. Plenty of people enjoyed UFC 100 and plenty of new fans enjoyed the event as well, regardless of what might have or might have not offended you. It's one thing to voice an opinion, it's also another to voice an opinion with a huge amount of bias and uneducated thoughts. My suggestion for those columnist who referred to the sport as "Ultimate Bore and Gore" is to watch more than one MMA show. Much like any other sport, not every game, show, or event is going to be a five-star event. Did you watch the Homerun Derby? That was suppose to be the showcase of the long ball but turned into something like four long hours of terrible nicknames followed by everyone taking fifteen pitches before swinging. Should everyone stop watching baseball because it's snore and bore? Of course not! That was one night and there will be plenty more. A little consistency would be nice, as it's extremely unfair for MMA to be judged solely on one night. Now that it settled, let's get onto another topic surrounding MMA that is burning a hole in my head.

Mainstream MMA
The non-MMA fan's obsession with saying MMA won't go mainstream is pretty ridiculous. First and foremost, I, and most MMA fans, don't care if MMA goes the supposed "mainstream." What the hell does that mean anyway? Culturally accepted by everyone? Of course that isn't going to happen because it's a combat sport and some people have a hard enough time watching Sponge Bob without bitching about the violence. This magnificent sport isn't for everyone, and the same could be said for almost every other sport. Who doesn't hate soccer or even the NHL, MLB, or the NFL. It's extremely unfair for certain outlets to push this upon a sport that really doesn't want it either. That's the beauty of someone like Dana White being in charge of the UFC. He isn't going to be the stereotypical "yes man". He's always going to tell you what he thinks and he's going to run his company like that. Bottom Line: MMA is here to stay regardless of the media attention that is attached to the sport.


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Damn right, Im starting to really hate these "elitist" MMA fans who think they know everything and watched it since the 90's. Woop de doo. So have I but Im happy to see the sport grow at an amazing rate.
Reminds me of ECW fans during the 90's and their niche program where they thought the product they watched was the be all and end all, anything mainstream was just a sell-out.

There's no pleasing some people....

Speaking of a "face" for MMA there wont be one, the UFC seems to push their brand and not the fighters which is very annoying but oh well.


Posted By: Brad (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 12:09 AM

 
 
I disagree with your statement that Brock was booed because of his WWE background. I thought it was more to do with his general antics during the main event, e.g. not touching the gloves and getting in Mir's face after he had already beaten him.

Posted By: miguel (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 04:07 AM

 
 
Hey, Miguel. Did you watch UFC 100? Did you see the weigh-ins? Brock was booed from Friday afternoon until he finally walked out of the arena on Saturday night (after majestically decimating Mir). Brock is one man that flipped off an entire audience that was booing him, flipping him off, heckling him, etc. No one can honestly expect him to be super-cordial and passive-aggressive after such a display of hatred towards him (from the fans, from Mir, and from the media). Kudos to Brock for not doing WORSE stuff

Posted By: GeeSpotter (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 07:23 AM

 
 
Agree with Miguel,I dont think anyone booed Lesnar because he was a pro wrestler. I dont think anyone would boo Sakuraba.

Who cares where MMA fighters came from? Only thing that matters is what they do now. Lesnar was disrespectful with everybody before and after the fight,thats why poeple booed him.

Thats like booing Carwin because he is an engineer and MMA fans hate clever people.


Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 07:59 AM

 
 
What I have a huge problem is the idiot wrestling fans that say that a pro wrestler beat MMA fighters. I mean he quit years ago because the schedule and other aspects of the lifestyle weren't for him. He turned his back on pro wrestling so why are these morons proud that he's now the UFC HW champ?

Shouldn't it be the other way around? The MMA fans should be happy that this guy chose to quit wrestling when he did so that one day he could be this good an MMA fighter. Why the hell are wrestling fans gloating when Brock quit their "sport" to compete in real ones (Football, MMA)?


Posted By: Diavo (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 07:59 AM

 
 
I disagree with your statement that Brock was booed because of his WWE background. I thought it was more to do with his general antics during the main event, e.g. not touching the gloves and getting in Mir's face after he had already beaten him.

Posted By: miguel (Guest) on July 17, 2009 at 04:07 AM

But I guess it was okay in your opinion for Mir to bad mouth Lesnar for 16 months, insult his intelligence and actually act like he wasn't getting his ass kicked for the first 90 seconds in the first match? Lesnar had every right to flip off the fans (not that I agree that he did it, but he had the right) after they have disrespected him for so long and never have given him credit for his accomplishments outside of pro-wrestling. Most of the hardcore fans (I am a hardcore fan, but don't share their views of Lesnar) have shit on Lesnar since he came to the UFC. And it just gets under their skin when he wins. So many people thought Mir would repeat, but those of us that know better and didnt dismiss Brock's wrestling background, knew Mir would go down.
Think about it this way, it's not like he had no athletic background coming into the game to learn. He had a 165-5 record in the NCAA for wrestling. Picking up MMA after training 18 years for wrestling, he is going to learn at an accelerated rate. Mostly because he does have experience on the ground. Look at the first fight with Mir, look how fast he moved and transitioned from a north south position to north north, keeping his belly to mirs back. He has the instincts to move into the dominant position.

Whether you like his comments or not, that doesn't mean you shouldn't respect his skill and dominance over traditional MMA fighters. Give him his due, but you don't have to like him.
Last time I checked, Nate Diaz flipped off the camera and everybody else while still fighting, yet nobody said shit about that. Makes you wonder about the intelligence of these so called "hardocre" MMA fans....


Posted By: Guest#4905 (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 08:35 AM

 
 
I agree with Miguel. My dislike of Lesnar has nothing to do with his background, but has everything to do with him being a douchbag, a homophobe, and a borderline racist. That is not how I see the face of MMA. Randy sets the example for all other fighters to follow and that has never been more evident to me than while I watched him on the Ultimate 100 Countdown. He is the perfect ambassador for MMA.

Posted By: Rob (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 10:26 AM

 
 
I watched the UFC countdown stuff and thought that both men were doing enough shit talking. Seems like everyone has a problem with Mir and what he was saying but it was no worse than anything else I've heard from Serra or Tito in the past. Fact is, Frank was somewhat right. Not that I would want to be subjuct to hammerfists from Brock but he is only lifting his hand maybe a couple inches away from the guys face and dropping it down really fast. In the first fight Brock got caught in a submission he had no business getting caught in. Brock's post fight stuff was different from the class acts we are used to seeing (GSP, Silva, Franklin, Liddell). Finally, what else do people do when they are trying to hype a fight?? TALK SHIT to each other...what's everyone's problem with that?

Posted By: Mikey (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM

 
 
Very nice article, brother.

I'd like to read some of these articles you mention.


Posted By: Andy McHenry (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 01:05 PM

 
 
"My dislike of Lesnar has nothing to do with his background, but has everything to do with him being a douchbag, a homophobe, and a borderline racist"

Please, Rob, find me proof that Lesnar is homophobe, borderline racist, & even a douchebag.

I'm trying to see from your point of view, but I can't get my head up my ass.


Posted By: Marcus (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 02:25 PM

 
 
Marcus,
I can see you are a class act too. You disagree with me so need to insult me. Nice.
Lesnar, like the Diaz brothers, is a douchbag. He said it himself, he has no respect for anyone he fights and says he doesn't care what anyone thinks about him, then flips the crowd off when they boo. Hates Mir for all the shit he talked, but Lesnar did the exact same to Mir.

I am not knocking his talent, just stating that I am not a fan and that he should not be considered the face of the UFC.

Here is proof of his homophobia:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1830855
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/6/18/913912/brock-lesnar-in-maxim-hung
ry-for

And there are other examples too. I said borderline racist; he has yet to completely convince me on that, but has made some comments in interviews that make me believe he is.


Posted By: Rob (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 03:09 PM

 
 
By the way: whats up with people defending Lesnar and reasoning with Diaz bros?

I thought that every time Diaz does some Brock-like stupid thing,he gets his fair share of hatred on the next week from fans on forums,in the news,etc. But they are way,WAY less people defending him and saying that "you have problems with Diaz but you loved Tito,right?"

People just say that "I hate his antics,its so disrespectful",everyone agrees,then everyone forgets about it,focuses on the fight itself. And its the right thing to do.

However now if one person says that he doesnt like Brock,millions of Brock fans tell you that "its only because you hate WWE" and that "you did not have a problem with Diaz".

Please,get over it! Lets talk about their next fight,or UFC 101,or people who could beat Lesnar or who couldnt,whatever...


ohhh,and pls dont use the "elitist" wort again instead of "mma fan"


Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 03:22 PM

 
 
One more important thing:

"Hardcore" fans are "hardcore",because they are fans of the sport. I consider myself a hardcore fan. We dont really care about the pre-fight smack talk,gimmicks,scandals,fighters backgrounds.

"We" focus on the fights. And guess what,Im a fan of Diaz,but I dont like Brock. And I dont give a damn about the antics (Diaz aint better) or the WWE background,so stop this non-sense.

I am a Diaz-fan,because I find his fights way more entertaining than Lesnars,thats it. While Lesnar has great wrestling and incredible power,I find him porbably the most boring HW in the UFC. And there is Nick Diaz with awesome graplling clinics vs Sanchez and Parisyan,exciting stand up wars vs Shamrock and Smith,and one of the best fights ever vs Gomi. I dont think Lesnar will ever have a fight close to these.


Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 03:39 PM

 
 
Has Diaz ever been a champion? Brock has. Has Diaz ever headlined a show that made 1.5 million buys? Brock has. "Hardcore" MMA fans are only considered hardcore cuz they jerk off to the fighters while the "casual" fan jerks off to the Octagon girls and the "wrestling" fans jerk off to the Divas. In my "educated" opinion, those are the facts. And, no, I didn't "overuse" the quotation marks

Posted By: GeeSpotter (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 06:04 PM

 
 
should I respond?

BTW,lol @ associating to "jerking off" while talking about Diaz and Brock,that tells me a lot of you. Thats kinda self ownage.

When you grow up,you will realize,that even if you are a champion and headline big events you should behave like a grown man.

And...

You will also realize,that if you are rooting for the champion in the biggest organizations biggest weight class,that doesnt make you a better person.

Until then: watch more mma and post less


Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 08:12 PM

 
 
I was at the show and totally disagree that Brock was booed because of his pro-wrestling connections. Ken Shamrock was a pro wrestler before he was a fighter (he made his pro debut in 1989, thats how he ended up in Japan 1991 and got into Pancrase, then the original UFC tourny.), Sakuraba came from pro wrstling and he's a fucking god in some circles. Coleman, Frye, Severen & Barnett among others have all dabbled in pro wrestling over the years so that argument is total bull.

Lesnar was booed because of the fact that his general attitude sucks and quite frankly, he's been handed everything on a plate in the MMA world plus he comes off like a prima-donna (something that was a backstage rumor towards the end of his WWE run back in '04). Anyone that buys that half-assed apology that he wouldn't have given unless Dana MADE him makes you as much of a mark as the some of the wrestling fans I've met over the years.


Posted By: Guest#7550 (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 11:19 PM

 
 
Brock got booed because he beat the crap outta Mir, who is from Las Vegas.

Posted By: Sean (Guest)  on July 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM

 
 
Handed everythign on a plate......handed....everything...on a plate.


Are you onc rack? Seriously....crack?

Mir, Herring, Couture, Mir.......I DEFY you guest # Hiding behind my anonymity, to find me a fighter whos walked into the UFC and had a tougher first 4 fights given to them.

Lesner was booed (well before the match even started, btw, for all those "it was becuase of what he did people....explain that one..they pre-booed him for what he ahdn't done yet??)

Lesner was booed and booed massively from the time his song started playing because Frank Mir was the hometown boy. The same reason they went to the ground and the crowd was chanting let them up within about 15 seconds. Pure hometown favortism.


Posted By: AdamS (Guest)  on July 18, 2009 at 12:23 AM

 
 
"Mir, Herring, Couture, Mir.......I DEFY you guest # Hiding behind my anonymity, to find me a fighter whos walked into the UFC and had a tougher first 4 fights given to them."

Thats a longshot man,maybe Brock had the toughest first 5 mma fights,but I dont know about the toughest 4 ufc fights. I would take the Griffin-Coleman-Liddell-Machida quartett over the Mir-Herring-Couture-Mir quartett any day. Dont forget that the HW division is the worst by far in the UFC


Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest)  on July 18, 2009 at 07:13 AM

 
 
Brock smashed a bitch. It was very fun to watch.

Posted By: Guest#1089 (Guest)  on July 18, 2009 at 05:16 PM

 
 
"Mir, Herring, Couture, Mir.......I DEFY you guest # Hiding behind my anonymity, to find me a fighter whos walked into the UFC and had a tougher first 4 fights given to them."

"Thats a longshot man,maybe Brock had the toughest first 5 mma fights,but I dont know about the toughest 4 ufc fights. I would take the Griffin-Coleman-Liddell-Machida quartett over the Mir-Herring-Couture-Mir quartett any day. Dont forget that the HW division is the worst by far in the UFC"

(NOTE: The above-quoted posts were not edited for grammar and/or content, although both are very clearly in need.)

That said, you're both wrong. Yes, both Brock and Shogun have had tough fights at the beginning of their UFC careers (and I'd actually take Brock over Shogun, simply because Coleman and Liddell were shadows of their former selves when he fought them), but I'd give the nod to Hendo on his return to the UFC: Rampage (LHW Champion), Anderson Silva (MW Champion), Rousimar Palhares (the easiest of the four), and Rich Franklin (one of the best MW champions of all-time). That's nothing to sneeze at, and even if you throw in his first two UFC fights, both wins, which happened on the same night, against Allan Goes and Carlos Newton, you've got one humdinger of a welcome.

Personally, on the whole Brock thing, I like him BECAUSE he was a professional wrestler, and while I laughed at his post-fight antics, I can admit that they weren't up to par with the standard set by guys like Randy Couture (my favorite fighter) and Rich Franklin. That said, my favorite wrestlers have been heels ever since I was kid, so that might explain why I continue to support Brock, although the asinine fanbase he's now attracting (those same people who love the Diaz brothers because they're "hardhorr badazzes") is almost enough to cause me to stop supporting him.

And if you like the Diaz brothers because of their fight styles, that's fine, but I find them both to be mediocre fighters who only get the opportunities they get because of the controversy they create (especially Nick, who's probably the better fighter, but also the bigger douchebag - any other fighter out there get a special weight class created for him because he couldn't cut the last 5 pounds to the accepted lightweight limit and then subsequently choke, and CHOKE HORRIBLY, in what was to be his coming-out fight?).


Posted By: Wyatt Beougher (Guest)  on July 18, 2009 at 07:59 PM

 


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