411 MMA Rankings 10.06.09: Welterweight Division
Posted by Jonathan Solomon on 10.06.2009
The 411mania MMA welterweight rankings return with some spiciness as Josh Koscheck and Carlos Condit returned to their winning ways. Paul Daley shook up the UFC with a win over Martin Kampmann, now will he make his debut in our rankings? Dan Hardy will fight Mike Swick to determine the next contender for GSP, where do they rank? A former top contender returns this month, who is he and does he deserve the spot? Read on for all that and much more.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for reading the weekly 411mania MMA Rankings and this week we serve up the best welterweights in the world. Georges St. Pierre may be awaiting a challenger but that takes nothing away from him, as he remains the unanimously top ranked welterweight on the planet. One of those supposed contenders was Martin Kampmann who moved well into the top 10 last month when he defeated Carlos Condit. Some expected him to continue his rise but he suffered defeat at the hands of Paul Daley. Now how far has Kampmann fallen? Disappointing for him, indeed.
Perennial underdog Brock Larson lost his preliminary fight at UFC 103 and even though his record now stands at 28-3, he is unranked yet again. With his previous losses coming against the likes of Jon Fitch and Carlos Condit, perhaps that means Mike Pierce will become a big time player sooner than later.
The next big fights in this division will close out the year in the next two months. UFC 106 will feature #2 ranked Jon Fitch fighting former middleweight Ricardo Almeida in his welterweight debut. UFC 107 will feature former top contender Thiago Alves in a battle with fellow Brazilian Paulo Thiago, fresh off his defeat at the hands of Jon Fitch this past summer.
Josh Koscheck may have called out Matt Hughes after his UFC 103 victory over Frank Trigg, but don't expect Hughes to walk into that trap. With Fitch being a fellow American Kickboxing Academy member, Koscheck insists he won't fight him. Koscheck has lost to Alves, so what other top welterweight is left for him to fight in the near future? How about a match against Carlos Condit or Karo Parisyan should he be victorious in his return to the octagon?
Enough with the what if's, let's get down to business.
Below is feedback to last week's light heavyweight rankings and afterwards, enjoy the updated welterweight rankings.
To the feedback from last week's LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT RANKINGS
From Mr. Bonnar:
Forrest needs to retire in shame!!! Thanks for commenting sir, sour grapes, no?
From wylun:
wat the.. could rampage still even be on this list since hes NO LONGER a active fighter?! Rampage's situation will be dealt with once it can be determined if he is actually retired or not. You wouldn't want us to act hastily, now would you?
From yoda:
FORREST WILL BE BACK!!! ...from the store?
From Cody:
god, people still believe forrest is a top level elite fighter? hes super overrated, and although he did just retire because he is retired I wouldn't include rampage on the list just cause he is done fighting. How is Griffin overrated? He's not considered the best but he is up there, definitely one of the top 10. He has wins over Shogun Rua and Rampage, he's no flake. Rampage will be included until either a) March 2010 rolls around and he has not fought or has no plans to or b) it can be determined he's actually serious about retiring
From Fear_Inc.:
You know... to be honest, I really think the whole Silva + Machida + Lil'Nogueira… "We are all Buddy buddy, happy Brazilian friends that will not fight each other Club"... That's just pure BullShit on a Stick!... I think their just using this as an excuse so that nobody loses their so called "mystique"... think about it: Silva vs. Machida… who ever loses, that one is going to lose all his momentum… let's say they decide to do a "catch weight" fight… if Machida loses… "He looks beatable and then he loses his so call champion "glow", because he loss to the Middle weight champion… (Losing to "The Spider" is nothing to be ashamed of) but let's face it… Machida, will not like to lose his "undefeated" streak, to someone who's not even fighting him, for his title. If Silva Loses… "He will immediately look as "weak" because he loss to a fighter he didn't wanted to face, so then they will say that he didn't want to have the match because he knew he was going to lose (the internet will immediately have a Hard On of Joy, with this…) an then he loses his so call champion glow, because he loss to the Light Heavy weight champion… And if Lil'Nogueira… decides to challenge any one of them, no fence to the younger Nogueira, he's going to get his ass handed to him…
So the only easy solution… "Let's not fight, so we are all happy"… no matter how professional you are "Losing" in any type of scenario will bother you, BIG TIME!!!... As far as the whole "friends shouldn't fight each other theory" goes… that situation has happened, at least 2 to 3 times, on every season of The Ultimate Fighter, to date… so this is just a cheap excuse… That's my opinion on the subject… "Friends" during a TUF season is not the same thing as a pair of guys who have been training every day together for years (Jardine/Evans for example). I see your point and the UFC's official point, that fighters are paid to fight, period.
From A. Coolman:
Quinton Jackson is to retired as Santa Claus is to real. We shall see soon enough.
From Diavo:
See, I told you Rampage was overrated! Ok retired doesn't necessarily equal overrated but still...
Top Ten Guys who would beat Forrest Griffin if they fought, let's say, next month:
1. Thiago Silva
2. Luis Cane
3. Lil' Nog
4. Jon Jones
5. Rich Franklin
6. Chuck Liddell
7. Matyushenko
8. Brandon Vera
9. Sokoudjou
10. Matt Hamill
Maybe I'm exaggerating just to make a point but honestly I could see Forrest losing against any of those guys. Anybody can lose to anybody. Really, you think Sokoudjou can beat Griffin? Now you're just piling on.
From GeeSpotter:
Well, at least Bonnar's not on here anymore.
I would like to add that I don't believe Franklin should necessarily be ranked higher, but I do believe (9 times out of 10) that he would beat Sobral so he should be ranked higher than Babalu. Maybe it's just me. Hell, I think Bones would beat Babalu also.
I think it's also cool that Gegard was quoted as saying that all the best light heavyweights are in the UFC, but he's still new to fighting so he's comfortable in Strikeforce. You know for a fact this guy wants in on the Dana Circus When was the last time Bonnar was ranked? Long time ago I surmise. Mousasi is young enough that he can round up the non-UFC 205ers and by the time he's ready (contract wise) to sign with the UFC, he'll still be young enough to dominate for a long time.
From DB22:
Is it just me who thinks the light heavyweight division is getting a bit thin now that various contenders are retired/on hiatus or changing wait class? I predict Bader, Arona and Paulo Filho (who is now commited to the 205 division) will get ranked by next year. I'll also add that the winners of Coutore vs Vera and Coleman vs Ortiz should be in with a chance of getting ranked.
If Shogun beats Machida will Dana make Anderson Silva the number one contenter? I'd take that bet (Filho making these rankings in three months). Tito Ortiz, I have a feeling, if he wins, will show up somewhere. As for Mark Coleman, he would have to be impressive in victory. With Randy Couture, it's a decision (to rank him as a 205er) we will consider afterwards.
From Carney:
For you idiots complaining why Rampage is on the list even though he's "retired", the very first rule of the rankings states that the rankings include anyone who fought within the past calendar year. No comment. :)
From Jeremy S:
Pretty good list, not much I would disagree with.
I'm sure some more will get weeded out by the next time if they don't show something (like Jardine and Forrest).
But I'm very interested to see what Mousasi and Jones do in the coming year. Jones and Mousasi may be the kings of the division in 3 or 4 years time. (Mousasi sooner most likely)
From 'smart' dude:
How is silva going to be #3 with 1 fight in Lhw? It's funny cause a real site (sherdog) doesn't even have him in the top 10 Anderson Silva is 2-0 as a light heavyweight (first of all). He blasted James Irvin and toyed with Forrest Griffin, a former champion, before blasting him to pieces. Glancing at that real sites ranking (what? are we just part of your imagination?), Anderson Silva is not ranked at all at 205 because he is the 185 champion. We don't restrict it like that so 411mania considers Anderson Silva the third best light heavyweight on the planet and the best middleweight on earth. Oh yeah.
October 2008 Welterweight Rankings:
1. (KING) Georges St. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Jake Shields
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Thiago Alves
6. Carlos Condit
7. Matt Hughes
8. Diego Sanchez
9. Karo Parisyan
10. Matt Serra
Yoshiyuki Yoshida, Mike Swick, Brock Larson and Marcus Davis were "On The Bubble."
THE CREW
The 411 MMA staff have decided to pull back the curtain to reveal Oz himself. Get out those pitchforks and light 'em if you got 'em.
Here are the nuts and bolts, the breakdown of the rankings from your favorite 411 MMA personalities:
Jeffrey Harris
1. GSP
2. Jon Fitch
3. Mike Swick
4. Thiago Alves
5. Josh Koscheck
6. Marius Zaromskis
7. Nick Diaz
8. Jay Hieron
9. Paul Daley
10. Matt Hughes
11. Martin Kampmann
12. Carlos Condit
13. Dan Hardy
14. Dustin Hazelett
15. Marcus Davis
Dan Plunkett
1. GSP
2. Fitch
3. Alves
4. Koscheck
5. Condit
6. Hughes
7. Swick
8. Nick Diaz
9. Marius Zaromskis
10. Paul Daley
11. Martin Kampmann
12. Karo Parisyan
13. Jay Hieron
14. Matt Serra
15. Yoshida
Scott Kuczkowski
1. GSP
2. Fitch
3. Alves
4. Koscheck
5. Swick
6. Hughes
7. Condit
8. Paul Daley
9. Nick Diaz
10. Marius Zaromskis
11. Kampmann
12. Yoshida
13. Marcus Davis
14. Jay Hieron
15. Brock Larson
Daniel Bonnizzio
1) Georges St-Pierre
2) Jon Fitch
3) Thiago Alves
4) Mike Swick
5) Josh Koscheck
6) Nick Diaz
7) Carlos Condit
8) Paul Daley
9) Marius Zaromskis
10) Martin Kampmann
11) Dan Hardy
12) Matt Hughes
13) Jay Hieron
14) Brock Larson
15) Kim Dong-hyun
Jonathan Solomon
1. GSP
2. Jon Fitch
3. Josh Koscheck
4. Mike Swick
5. Thiago Alves
6. Carlos Condit
7. Jay Hieron
8. Nick Diaz
9. Matt Hughes
10. Paul Daley
11. Martin Kampmann
12. Marius Zaromskis
13. Dustin Hazelett
14. Dan Hardy
15. Dong Hyun Kim
411's MMA Ranking Rules
- If a fighter hasn't fought in a year, he can not be ranked. It's not fair to people who are fighting to not be ranked because a fighter is taking a year off. However, if a fighter schedules a fight he is still eligible for being ranked.
- If a fighter appears on just one single ballot, and in the top ten, five points shall be deducted to balance out between other fighters who may have been ranked lower, but appeared on more total ballots.
- If you wish to complain about a fighter's ranking in the comments section, then please include an objective reason as to why you don't like the ranking, and include your own set of rankings if you would!
- 411's MMA Rankings are voted on by the MMA staff of 411mania. So if you are an MMA fighter and hate where you are ranked, beating just me up would be unnecessary. You would have to beat us all up, and when we are all together.....we can spread out and run away so you wouldn't even be able to catch us all anyhow.
411's Official MMA Rankings
Welterweight Division
1) Georges St. Pierre (19-2)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: May 19, 1981
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Thiago Alves - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. BJ Penn - Win via TKO (corner stoppage) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn II - January 31, 2009
- vs. Jon Fitch - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Matt Serra - Win via TKO (knees to body) - UFC 83: Serra vs. St. Pierre II - April 19, 2008
- vs. Matt Hughes - Win via verbal submission (arm bar) - UFC 79: Nemesis - December 29, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: BEST IN THE WORLD~! BEST IN THE WORLD~!
2) Jon Fitch (19-3)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: February 24, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Paulo Thiago - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Akihiro Gono - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn II - January 31, 2009
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Chris Wilson - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 82: Pride Of A Champion - March 1, 2008
- vs. Diego Sanchez - Win via decision (split) - UFC 76: Knockout - September 22, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Ricardo Almeida - UFC 106 - November 21, 2009
3) Thiago Alves (16-4)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: October 3, 1983
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Josh Koscheck - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. Matt Hughes - Win via TKO (knee and punches) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
- vs. Karo Parisyan - Win via TKO (knee and punches) - UFC: Fight Night 13 - April 2, 2008
- vs. Chris Lytle - Win via TKO (doctor stoppage due to cut) - UFC 78: Validation - November 17, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Paulo Thiago - UFC 107 - December 12, 2009
4) Josh Koscheck (13-4)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: November 30, 1977
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Frank Trigg - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 103: Belfort vs. Franklin - September 19, 2009
- vs. Paulo Thiago - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 21, 2009
- vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida - Win via KO (punch) - UFC: Fight For The Troops - December 10, 2008
- vs. Thiago Alves - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. Chris Lytle - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin - July 5, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
5) Mike Swick (14-2)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: June 19, 1979
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Ben Saunders - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Jonathan Goulet - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC: Fight For The Troops - December 10, 2008
- vs. Marcus Davis - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
- vs. Josh Burkman - Win via decision (majority) - UFC: Fight Night 12 - January 23, 2008
- vs. Yushin Okami - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 69: Shootout - April 7, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Dan Hardy - UFC 105 - November 14, 2009
6) Carlos Condit (24-5)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: April 26, 1984
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Jake Ellenberger - Win via decision (split) - UFC Fight Night 19 - September 16, 2009
- vs. Martin Kampmann - Loss via decision (split) - UFC Fight Night: Condit vs. Kampmann - April 1, 2009
- vs. Hiromitsu Miura - Win via TKO (punches) - WEC 35 - August 3, 2008
- vs. Carlo Prater - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 32: Albuquerque - February 13, 2008
- vs. Brock Larson - Win via submission (armbar) - WEC 29 - August 5, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Condit has left Arizona Combat Sports to return home to New Mexico for personal reasons. He has rejoined Greg Jackson's team of fighters training in Albuquerque.
7*) Nick Diaz (20-7)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: August 2, 1983
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Scott Smith - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields - June 6, 2009
- vs. Frank Shamrock - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce on Showtime - April 11, 2009
- vs. Thomas Denny - Win via TKO (punches) - EliteXC: Unfinished Business - July 26, 2008
- vs. Muhsin Corbbrey - Win via TKO (punches) - EliteXC: Return Of The King - June 14, 2008
- vs. Katsuya Inoue - Win via TKO (corner stoppage) - DREAM 3 - May 11, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
7*) Matt Hughes (43-7)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: October 13, 1973
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Matt Serra - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Thiago Alves - Loss via TKO (knee and punches) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via verbal submission (arm bar) - UFC 79: Nemesis - December 29, 2007
- vs. Chris Lytle - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 68: Uprising - March 3, 2007
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 65: Bad Intentions - November 18, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
9) Marius Zaromskis (11-2)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: July 30, 1982
Currently Fighting With: DREAM
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Jason High - Win via KO (head kick) - DREAM 10: Welterweight Grand Prix 2009 Final Round - July 20, 2009
- vs. Hayato Sakurai - Win via TKO (punches) - DREAM 10: Welterweight Grand Prix 2009 Final Round - July 20, 2009
- vs. Seichi Ikemoto - Win via decision (unanimous) - DREAM 8: Welterweight Grand Prix 2009 Opening Round - April 5, 2009
- vs. Jedrzej Kubski - Win via TKO (strikes) - Bushido Lithuania - Hero's 2008 - November 8, 2008
- vs. Che Mills - Loss via TKO (doctor stoppage) - Cage Rage 26: Extreme - May 10, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
10) Paul Daley (22-8-2)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: February 21, 1983
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Martin Kampmann - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 103: Belfort vs. Franklin - September 19, 2009
- vs. Junior Barata - Win via TKO (strikes) - WFC 9: D-Day - April 18, 2009
- vs. Aurelijus Kerpe - Win via KO (knee) - Ultimate Gladiators - March 29, 2009
- vs. Nick Thompson - Loss via decision (unanimous) - MFC 20: Destined for Greatness - February 20, 2009
- vs. John Alessio - Win via TKO (strikes) - MFC 19: Long Time Coming - December 5, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Daley may have made the biggest jump of any fighter in recent history. He went from being unranked to #10 after his big upset win at UFC 103. An impressive win over a top UFC contender will do that for a guy.
11) Martin Kampmann (15-3)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: April 17, 1982
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Paul Daley - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 103: Belfort vs. Franklin - September 19, 2009
- vs. Carlos Condit - Win via decision (split) - UFC Fight Night: Condit vs. Kampmann - April 1, 2009
- vs. Alexandre Barros - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 93: Franklin vs. Henderson - January 17, 2009
- vs. Nate Marquardt - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 88: Breakthrough - September 6, 2008
- vs. Jorge Rivera - Win via submission (guillotine) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
12) Jay Hieron (18-4)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: July 29, 1976
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Jesse Taylor - Win via decision (unanimous) - Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg - August 15, 2009
- vs. Jason High - Win via KO (punch) - Affliction: Day of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Chris Kennedy - Win via decision (unanimous) - Night of Combat 2 - October 11, 2008
- vs. Mark Miller - Win via TKO (punches) - IFL New Jersey - April 4, 2008
- vs. Delson Heleno - Win via TKO (injury) - IFL World Grand Prix Finals - December 29, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: ...still pissed at Nick Diaz.
13) Dan Hardy (22-6)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: May 17, 1982
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Marcus Davis - Win via decision (split) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Rory Markham - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 21, 2009
- vs. Akihiro Gono - Win via decision (split) - UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben - October 18, 2008
- vs. Daniel Weichel - Win via TKO (elbows) - UF: Punishment - May 3, 2008
- vs. Chad Reiner - Win via TKO (punches) - CWFC: Enter The Rough House 6 - April 19, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Mike Swick - UFC 105 - November 14, 2009
Comment: Hardy will be fighting for the opportunity to challenge GSP when he takes on Mike Swick next month. Currently ranked at 13, Hardy may be the lowest ranked fighter with such an opportunity right now. Of course, a win over Swick should push him into the top ten, at the least.
14) Yoshiyuki Yoshida (10-3)
Height: 5'11
Birthday: May 10, 1974
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Brandon Wolff - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Josh Koscheck - Loss via KO (punch) - UFC: Fight for the Troops - December 10, 2008
- vs. War Machine - Win via submisison (anaconda choke) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
- vs. Dan Hardy - Win via DQ (low blow) - Cage Force 5 - December 1, 2007
- vs. Akira Kikuchi - Win via TKO (elbows) - Cage Force 4 - September 8, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Anthony Johnson - UFC 104 - October 24, 2009
15) Karo Parisyan (18-5)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: August 28, 1982
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Dong Hyun Kim - No Contest - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn II - January 31, 2009 *Parisyan failed a drug test for banned painkillers*
- vs. Thiago Alves - Loss via TKO (knees and punches) - UFC: Fight Night 13 - April 2, 2008
- vs. Ryo Chonan - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 78 - Validation - November 17, 2007
- vs. Josh Burkman - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 71: Liddell vs. Jackson - May 26, 2007
- vs. Drew Fickett - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC Fight Night 7 - December 13, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Dustin Hazelett - UFC 106 - November 21, 2009
Comment: Parisyan returns from his suspension next month to fight up-and-coming submission artist Dustin Hazelett. Parisyan needs a win as bad as anyone in the UFC these days.
Closing Comments: Other fighters receiving votes include Dustin Hazelett, Marcus Davis, Dong Hyun Kim, Brock Larson, Matt Serra and Hayato Sakurai.
Jake Shields was ineligible this month for the first time as a welterweight because it appears he is dedicating himself to fighting as a middleweight. It has been over a year since he last competed at 170-pounds, having defeated Robbie Lawler at a catchweight nearest to middleweight. He will challenge Mayhem Miller for the vacant Strikeforce middleweight championship next month.
ya i guess rampage will prob be back in 2010.. who knows.. but god. i cant believe DAN HARDY is in the contender running.. i hope swick whoops his ass
Posted By: wylun (Guest) on October 05, 2009 at 11:23 PM
really, you feel the need to rank Karo? Even money says he backs out of his fight, same as before his fight with Kim.
Posted By: Last_Rider (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 02:01 AM
Admittedly, Hardy should not be fighting for no.1 contendership, but why do you really not like him? Is it because he is undeserving of a shot, or is it because in his build to fighting an American fighter he made some correct remarks about Davis NOT actually being Irish?
To be fair, what has Swick done to fully deserve a title shot? I'd say that Hardy's Welterweight scalps are just as impressive as Swicks.
Posted By: Guest#5242 (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 04:24 AM
Zenko v. Rumble is going to be sweet!
Posted By: A. Coolman (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 06:24 AM
Karo? Karo? you have got to be kidding. that douche shouldn't be anywhere near a top 15.
Posted By: stronelis (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 09:37 AM
UFC is in a tough spot with title shots as GSP has beaten most of the top competitors now, and while Fitch may deaserve a rematch it is not something the fans are clamoring for. I have no problem with Swick - Hardy fighting for a title shot. I just wish GSP would fight Silva while he waited.
Nick Diaz is way overrated - he list of wins is far from impressive in Strikeforce. Scott Smith is the best, and wasn't even a UFC gatekeeper. Plus no one else on this list would have ever lost to KJ Noons - or blew up the Main Event of a show for the wacky weed, well maybe Karo. Dump that bozo too.....
Posted By: MJH (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Hughes is way too high, he shouldn't even be above Hardy. He's dodging every top welterweight in the UFC. He's refusing to fight top competition.
Karo, and all fighters serving non-medical suspensions, shouldn't be ranked at all.
Posted By: KSti (Registered) on October 06, 2009 at 12:44 PM
How the hell is Hughes tied 7th with Diaz? Diaz is on a 5 fight win streak whereas Hughes shouldn't be top 10, 2-3 in his last 5 fights (that's only a 40% win ratio) plus he's ducking guys left and right and trying to live off past accomplishments.
Dan Hardy at #13?? Should be top 10 He's also on a 5-fight win streak and he's going into a title eliminator for the right to get an ass whoopin' from GSP
Posted By: UK_MMA_Fan (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 03:17 PM
Matt Hughes is absolutely nowhere near a title shot in the UFC, even if GSP drops the belt, he needs at least three back to back wins, with at least one or two BIG names in there. He should be as low as Karo, because neither of these guys are anywhere near top of the Welterweight list. Hughes 14, Karo 15, with everyone else on the list ahead of them, because now it's Hughes and Karo needing to beat guys like Hardy and Daley.
Posted By: Jon (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 06:56 PM
I'm looking for Nate Marquardt to make it up there. He's had some pretty impressive victories. I was watching UFC 88 last night and was blown away by how he handled Kampmann. Also I wanna see more of Dong Hyun Kim.
Posted By: Guest#5332 (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 06:57 PM
i don't understand koscheck at #4 at all, the guy is 2-2 in the last year with 1 of those wins being over "mr irrelevant" frank trigg.. i'd have him behind condit, who i believe won the kampamann fight.
guys like daley and zaromskis have a lot of potential but are basically only ranked so high because of their last fights. but daley looked like the real deal.
i'm glad diaz didn't get ranked any higher, because his quality of opponents is terrible. the welterweight division as a whole gets pretty thin after #6
Posted By: buddha (Guest) on October 06, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Condit is not top 10 (or he has been performing badly for his entire UFC run..) and neither is Zaromskis at the moment. Zaromskis hasn't beaten anyone in the top 15 yet.
Posted By: saerbarnet (Guest) on October 07, 2009 at 12:27 PM
A year ago, you ranked Hughes as #7.
Since then, he's only beaten Serra and somehow some of you have him ranked higher?
Seriously people- let go of the past. There are times when a "what have you done for me now" mentality is needed... this is one of them.
Matt is 2-3 in his last 5, has only fought those 5 in the past 3 years, and they are both decision wins over Serra and Lytle...
Posted By: cyks (Guest) on October 08, 2009 at 02:12 AM
i agree with everyone saying hughes is overated and dodgeing fights. Dan
Hornbuckle should really be ranked. Paulo thiago and mike pierce possibly too.
Posted By: xav18 (Guest) on October 08, 2009 at 06:22 PM
Copyright � 2011 411mania.com, LLC. All rights reserved.
Click here for our privacy policy. Please help us serve you better, fill out our survey.
Use of this site signifies your agreement to our terms of use.
