411 MMA Rankings 10.20.09: Heavyweight Division
Posted by Jonathan Solomon on 10.20.2009
The 411mania MMA staff returns to sort through the best of the heavyweights. Leading up to their big November fights, is Fedor Emelianenko still better than Brock Lesnar? Where are underdogs Brett Rogers and Shane Carwin ranked? Is Randy Couture still a factor amongst the big boys? After icing Cro Cop, how high did Junior dos Santos jump? All that and more in this week's 411 MMA Rankings.
Welcome to the latest release of the 411mania MMA Rankings. This week we bring to you the top fifteen heavyweights in the world. Unlike last week's middleweight list, the next few months are jam packed with big heavyweight fights. Four of the top five heavyweights will be in action before the end of 2009 and even Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira just competed two months ago. You know what that means? The possibility of major turnover is alive and well. It's up to those top five fighters to make sure the upsets do not come to fruition or this list will be ch...ch...ch...changing (oh yeah!).
As of now, the guy getting the most publicity may be Fedor Emelianenko. Judging by how much CBS you watch (heh, it's better than NBC), you have seen thirty second spots at various times promoting Fedor's next fight on November 7th. How good those spots are at promoting the actual event, we will find out in a few weeks.
UFC 104 is this Saturday night and one of the big fights on the card features Cain Velasquez against UFC newcomer Ben Rothwell. This month, Rothwell makes his first appearance as a ranked fighter. This sets the table for him to shoot up the list next month should he defeat the UFC's golden prospect in Velasquez. On the other hand, if Velasquez can make it past Rothwell in impressive fashion, he may be next in line (along with Big Nog) for a shot at the champion.
A man who use to be at the ass end of these rankings a year ago, Antonio "Big Foot" Silva returns to the United States MMA scene next month on CBS and has a big test in front of him. He will be fighting Fabricio Werdum, top ten ranked Fabricio Werdum. Like I mentioned before, the potential for upheaval is alive and well.
Here's some feedback to last week's middleweight rankings.
From Tomas:
Ok seriously guys where is Tomasz Drwal !!!!!! He only lost to LHW Thiago Silva and that was only due to exhaustion. He even wont he first round in that fight! Drwal is 17-2 overall and 3-1 in the UFC. He should at least get someone to vote for him but I'm not sure he's ready to make an appearance as a top-15 fighter in the middleweight division. He only made his 185 debut last month with the win over Drew McFedries. With continued top competition and wins, he'll be here soon enough.
From Reality:
why do you rank mayhem? Not a big deal, he won't be ranked after November. He just isn't very good, the only reason he is relevant is because of his personality. Mayhem is 3-1-1 in his last five fights and while he may not be fighting the best competition, he is a solid fighter. I do see him as one of the top 15 middleweights in the world.
From wylun:
why haven't we seen Yushin Okami on a main card/televised card in ages... Okami has only been on a televised UFC card once since his UFC 72 defeat to Rich Franklin in June 2007. That means he was on the prelim's twice out of three fights, not bad for a guy many label as boring. Okami has also been injured for a time so that explains some of the time off. The UFC is just looking to put on fights they find the most impressive. Besides his KO of Evan Tanner and Kalib Sarnes, he has fought to a decision in the rest of his UFC fights. It does suck though because Okami should receive a title shot if he can beat Chael Sonnen, but I doubt he will.
From Last_Rider:
My lone issue would be with Thales, personally I'd swap him with Palhares. Palhares lost to Hendo, no shame, and rebounded nicely with a win over Horn, and I think he trains out of Black House, though I could easily be wrong about that.
Anyway, I find him to be a better all around fighter, and he certainly has a bigger up-side than Leites. Beyond that, solid list I'm not sure if he still does but I know Palhares trained with the Brazilian Top Team camp earlier this year. I'd agree with you that Palhares has a bigger upside than Thales Leites but Leites is still a name to some people. Leites, even with his last two UFC losses, is a dangerous fighter who just hit a road of bad fights. That's some people's opinions at least.
From Diavo:
Seeing Sexiyama above Maia makes me sad.
And sure everyone hates Bisping but I think he's more talented than Miller and Leites.
Aside from that, it's nice to see Okami, Jacare and Shields getting respect. Like I mentioned last week, Bisping gets knocked because when he has fought elite caliber fighters, he has lost. Whether he's as talented or morse so than Mayhem or Leites, that is debatable. If Leites gets him down, he can submit him probably easily. Miller and Bisping would actually be a pretty even and entertaining fight. Demian Maia was going to take a drop as soon as he lost although losing by sudden KO is not the worst thing in the world.
You hate Sexiyama? Uh oh! I'd keep that a secret around these parts.
From bazz:
how did alessio sakara gets votes for for his running man impersonation last fight? Lombard and Palhares are both very underated. Lombard is a definite candidate for best fighter nobody knows. Alessio Sakara may not be beating Anderson Silva any of these days but he beat the guy in front of him, Thales Leites.
From RP:
Ok so someone explain to me why is Leites ranked and Bisping isn't People dislike Michael Bisping. People may dislike Thales Leites, but not as much as Michael Bisping.
From saerbarnet:
"Condit has had two fights and is 1-1 while the loss was in a very close split-decision. I wouldn't say he's been bad at all. As for Zaromskis, perhaps he is a bit high off his recent Grand Prix victory. But he was damn impressive in that run."
And Condit's win was a very close split decision against an opponent who isn't top 15 in the world. He has obvious holes in his game and until he fills those he isn't top 10 Carlos Condit would need to take a substantial drop to get kicked out of the top 10. He's had two close fights but he is 1-1 in said fights. Should he be punished for winning by split decision?
Thanks for another week of talk from the outskirts of 411ville.
Heavyweight Rankings from Last Year (10/23/2008)
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueria
3. Andrei Arlvoski
4. Randy Couture
5. Josh Barnett
6. Fabricio Werdum
7. Gabriel Gonzaga
8. Tim Sylvia
9. Frank Mir
10. Alistair Overeem
Mirko Cro Cop, Brock Lesnar, Cheick Kongo, Aleksander Emelianenko, Antonio Silva and Cain Velasquez were "On The Bubble."
THE CREW
The 411 MMA staff has decided to pull back the curtain and reveal the great 411 Oz. After some consideration, for the the first time in the soon-to-be two-year history of 411 MMA Rankings that you will be able to see which knucklehead put which fighter where.
So here are the nuts and bolts, the breakdown of the rankings from your favorite 411 MMA personalities:
Scott Kuczkowski
1. Fedor
2. Lesnar
3. Noguiera
4. Mir
5. Carwin
6. Rogers
7. Dos Santos
8. Couture
9. Gonzaga
10. Velasquez
11. Overeem
12. Werdum
13. Arlovski
14. Rothwell
15. Kongo
Patrick Mullin
1) Fedor Emelianenko
2) Brock Lesnar
3) Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera
4) Frank Mir
5) Alistair Overeem
6) Shane Carwin
7) Cain Velasquez
8) Brett Rogers
9) Gabriel Gonzaga
10) Fabricio Werdum
11) Ben Rothwell
12) Junior dos Santos
13) Andrei Arlovski
14) Jeff Monson
15) Cheick Kongo
Adam TOOL
1. Fedor
2. Lesnar
3. Mir
4. Big Nog
5. Barnett
6. Couture
7. Overeem
8. Carwin
9. Junior
10. Werdum
11. Gonzaga
12. Velasquez
13. Rogers
14. Arlovski
15. Kongo
Jonathan Solomon
1. Fedor
2. Brock
3. Big Nog
4. Carwin
5. Velasquez
6. Mir
7. dos Santos
8. Couture
9. Overeem
10. Werdum
11. Rogers
12. Rothwell
13. Monson
14. Gonzaga
15. Aleksander
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411's Official MMA Rankings
Heavyweight Division
1) Fedor Emelianenko (29-1)
Height: 6'0
Weight: 233
Currently fighting with: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Win via KO (punch) - Affliction: Day of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Tim Sylvia - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Affliction: Banned - July 19, 2008
- vs. Hong Man Choi - Win via submission (arm bar) - Yarennoka - New Year's Eve 2007 - December 31, 2007
- vs. Matt Lindland - Win via submission (arm bar) - BodogFight: Clash of the Nations - April 14, 2007
- vs. Mark Hunt - Win via submission (kimura) - PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 - December 31, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Brett Rogers - Strikeforce on CBS - November 7, 2009
2) Brock Lesnar (4-1)
Height: 6'2
Weight: 265
Birthday: July 12, 1977
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Frank Mir - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Randy Couture - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - November 15, 2008
- vs. Heath Herring - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Frank Mir - Loss via submission (kneebar) - UFC 81: Breaking Point - February 2, 2008
- vs. Min Soo Kim - Win via submission (strikes) - K1 HERO's - Dynamite!! USA - June 2, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Shane Carwin - UFC 106 - November 21, 2009
3) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-5-1)
Height: 6'3
Weight: 231
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Randy Couture - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 102: Couture vs. Nogueira - August 29, 2009
- vs. Frank Mir - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Tim Sylvia - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - UFC 81: Breaking Point - February 2, 2008
- vs. Heath Herring - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 73: Stacked - July 7th, 2007
- vs. Josh Barnett - Win via decision (unanimous) - PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 - December 31, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
4) Frank Mir (12-4)
Height: 6'1
Weight: 240
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Brock Lesnar - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Brock Lesnar - Win via submission (knee bar) - UFC 81: Breaking Point - February 2, 2008
- vs. Antoni Hardonk - Win via submission (kimura) - UFC 74: Respect - August 25, 2007
- vs. Brandon Vera - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 65: Bad Intentions - November 18, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Cheick Kongo - UFC 107 - December 12, 2009
5) Shane Carwin (11-0)
Height: 6'1
Weight: 259
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine - March 7, 2009
- vs. Neil Wain - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben - October 18, 2008
- vs. Christian Wellisch - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
- vs. Sherman Pendergarst - win via TKO (strikes) - Ring of Fire 31: Undisputed - December 1, 2007
- vs. Rex Richards - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - Art of War 4 - October 27, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Brock Lesnar - UFC 106 - November 21, 2009
6) Alistair Overeem (29-11)
Height: 6'5
Weight: 205
Birthday: May 17, 1980
Currently Fighting With: DREAM, Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Tony Sylvester - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - Ultimate Glory 11: A Decade of Fights - October 17, 2009
- vs. Gary Goodridge - Win via submission (kimura) - Glory 10: Battle of Arnhem - November 9, 2008
- vs. Mirko Cro Cop - No Contest (knee to the groin) - DREAM 6 - September 23, 2008
- vs. Mark Hunt - Win via submission (keylock) - DREAM 5 - July 21, 2008
- vs. Tae Hyun Lee - Win via KO (punches) - DREAM 4 - June 15, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. James Thompson - Dream 12 - October 25, 2009
7) Junior dos Santos (9-1)
Height: 6'4
Weight: 243
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Mirko Cro Cop - Win via submission (strikes) - UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort - September 19, 2009
- vs. Stefan Struve - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 20, 2009
- vs. Fabricio Werdum - Win via KO (uppercut) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. Geronimo dos Santos - Win via TKO (cut) - Demo Fight 3 - May 24, 2008
- vs. Joaquim Ferreira - Loss via submission (armbar) - MTL: Final - November 10, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - UFC 108 - January 2, 2010
8) Cain Velasquez (6-0)
Height: 6'2
Weight: 242
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Cheick Kongo - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Denis Stojnic - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC Fight Night 17 - February 7, 2009
- vs. Jake O'Brien - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC: Silva vs. Irvin - July 19, 2008
- vs. Brad Morris - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 83: Serra vs. St. Pierre II - April 19, 2008
- vs. Jeremiah Constant - Win via TKO - BodogFIGHT: St Petersburg - December 16, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Ben Rothwell - UFC 104 - October 24, 2009
9) Brett Rogers (10-0)
Height: 6'5
Weight: 265
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields - June 6, 2009
- vs. Abongo Humphrey - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Diaz - April 11, 2009
- vs. Jon Murphy - Win via TKO (strikes) - EliteXC: Primetime - May 31, 2008
- vs. James Thompson - Win via KO (punch) - EliteXC: Street Certified - February 16, 2008
- vs. Ralph Kelly - Win via submission (strikes) - EliteXC: Renegade - November 10, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Fedor Emelianenkoa - Strikeforce on Showtime - November 7, 2009
10) Fabricio Werdum (12-4-1)
Height: 6'4
Weight: 242
Currently fighting with: Strikeforce
Last 5 wins:
- vs. Mike Kyle - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg - August 15, 2009
- vs. Junior dos Santos - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. Brandon Vera - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
- vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 80: Rapid Fire - January 19, 2008
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 70: Nations Collide - April 21, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Antonio Silva - Strikeforce on CBS - November 7, 2009
11*) Randy Couture (16-10)
Height: 6'1
Weight: 225
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 102: Couture vs. Nogueira - August 29, 2009
- vs. Brock Lesnar - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - November 15, 2008
- vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 74: Respect - August 25, 2007
- vs. Tim Sylvia - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 68: Uprising - March 3, 2007
- vs. Chuck Liddell - Loss via KO (punch) - UFC 57: Liddell vs. Couture 3 - February 4, 2006
- vs. Mike Van Arsdale - Win via submission (anaconda choke) - UFC 54: Boiling Point - August 20, 2005
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Brandon Vera - UFC 105 - November 14, 2009
11*) Gabriel Gonzaga (11-4)
Height: 6'2
Weight: 252
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Chris Tuchscherer - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 102: Couture vs. Nogueira - August 29, 2009
- vs. Shane Carwin - Loss via KO (punch) - UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine - March 7, 2009
- vs. Josh Hendricks - Win via KO (punches) - UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - November 15, 2008
- vs. Justin McCully - Win via submission (kimura) - UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin - July 5, 2008
- vs. Fabricio Werdum - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 80: Rapid Fire - January 19, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Junior dos Santos - UFC 108 - January 2, 2010
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13) Josh Barnett (27-5)
Height: 6'3
Weight: 250
Currently fighting with: Free Agent
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Gilbert Yvel - Win via submission (strikes) - Affliction: Day of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Pedro Rizzo - Win via KO (punch) - Affliction: Banned - July 19, 2008
- vs. Jeff Monson - Win via decision (unanimous) - World Victory Road: Sengoku 2 - May 18, 2008
- vs. Hidehiko Yoshida - Win via submission (heel hook) - World Victory Road: Sengoku - March 5, 2008
- vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Loss via decision (unanimous) - PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 - December 31, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
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14) Andrei Arlovski (13-7)
Height: 6'4
Weight: 240
Currently fighting with: Free Agent
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Brett Rogers - Loss via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields - June 6, 2009
- vs. Fedor Emelianenko - Loss via KO (punch) - Affliction: Day of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Roy Nelson - Win via KO (punch) - EliteXC: Heat - October 4, 2008
- vs. Ben Rothwell - Win via KO (punches) - Affliction: Banned - July 19, 2008
- vs. Jake O'Brien - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 82: Pride of a Champion - March 1, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
15) Ben Rothwell (30-6)
Height: 6'5
Weight: 265
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Chris Guillen - Win via TKO (strikes) - Adrenaline MMA 2: Miletich vs. Denny - December 11, 2008
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Loss via KO (punches) - Affliction: Banned - July 19, 2008
- vs. Ricco Rodriguez - Win via decision (unanimous) - IFL: 2007 Team Championship Final - September 20, 2007
- vs. Krzysztof Soszynski - Win via TKO (strikes) - IFL: 2007 Semifinals - August 2, 2007
vs. Travis Fulton - Win via submission (Kimura) - IFL: Chicago - May 19, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Cain Velasquez - UFC 104 - October 24, 2009
Closing Comments: Others receiving votes include Jeff Monson, Cheick Kongo and Aleksander Emelianenko.
Can't argue there, the top 10 is pretty much spot on though Werdum still in the top 10 makes me a little sad for the HW division.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 11:07 PM
You put Fedor as the top when it's clear that he is afraid to fight Brock.
You guys are lame and biased and probably won't print this comment because while certain people can call each other names and make really lame "one shot deal" comments - an opinion like this gets edited.
Posted By: Guest#0690 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 11:51 PM
I see Cain destroying Ben Rothwell.
Posted By: Jak (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 12:03 AM
You put Fedor as the top when it's clear that he is afraid to fight Brock.
You guys are lame and biased and probably won't print this comment because while certain people can call each other names and make really lame "one shot deal" comments - an opinion like this gets edited.
Posted By: Guest#0690 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Why edit your opinion when they can just post it for other people to ridicule?
Posted By: Vordeo (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 12:51 AM
You put Fedor as the top when it's clear that he is afraid to fight Brock.
You guys are lame and biased and probably won't print this comment because while certain people can call each other names and make really lame "one shot deal" comments - an opinion like this gets edited.
Posted By: Guest#0690 (Guest) on October 19, 2009 at 11:51 PM
You speaking from past experience? I think everybody in this forum is aware that the fight has less to do with Fedor as much as it has to do with the clowns that manage him.
Posted By: anon (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 01:14 AM
antonio silva should be ranked somewhere. i can't wait for him to smash werdouche right out of the top-15.
Posted By: dale (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 01:30 AM
I hope Carwin, Velasquez, and dos Santos win their fights because for Mir to be ranked at #4 shows me that the HW division is extremely weak.
Posted By: Guest#6967 (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 01:42 AM
NO WAY ARlovski is in top 15 and kongo aint
Posted By: Guest#9254 (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 01:54 AM
I'm still a bit stunned they licensed Antonio Silva again. Didn't he go to Japan to circumvent his steroid test ban?
And don't be so sure he'll KO Werdum. Everyone trashes Werdum but the guy is a beast on the ground. He'll submit Antonio Silva.
Posted By: Guest#7607 (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 03:10 AM
lol at least if you are going to mock arlovski with the picture you choose for him, then mock Barnett as well.
I get why you guys have Carwin and Rogers listed so high, but they really don't deserve it. They are getting over-rated just because they were handed a title shot. It makes the title match-up look better for if you can say Lesnar is fighting a top 5 HW, but come on now. I think Carwin should be much lower. I don't see what he has done to deserve that ranking. If beating Gonzaga is so impressive, then surely destroying Gonzaga twice should get you ranked high. Or perhaps destroying the man who destroyed Gonzaga twice should be higher?
Posted By: reality check (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 03:13 AM
This comment is directed towards the three authors who left Barnett completely out of their rankings.
I'm running off the assumption that Barnett was left of your ballots due to his positive steroid test. It is well withing your right to be upset about the issue, as was I, however to not rank him is an oversight bordering on childish.
That positive test doesn't diminish his prior accomplishments, because we can't be certain of his abuse history. Considering that he fought twice before this in high profile bouts in the states, he has passed tests lately. I'm simply suggesting that a positive test doesn't destroy his accomplishments.
Now if you disagree with me, I'll trust that you'll use the same vantage point when you're assessing other weight division. If you're going to hold Barnett at fault as if he doped for every fight, you need to hold other fighters to the same level of accountability.
I do want to be clear. I'm in no way condoning or approving or Barnetts actions. He ruined what was expected to be a great fight, and for that matter, a great fight card. I just see people being too emotional in rankings in regards to him.
Posted By: MKick (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 03:16 AM
A. awesome picture of mir..
B. i think the only way for Brock to be number 1 in here.. is if he stays undefeated against Carwin and fedor falls to Rogers.. (however im still iffy if ppl in here would still vote for fedor as number 1 still even if he loses).....
OR
fedor has to lose atleast once.. and then Lesnar in the future MUSt beat big nog
Posted By: wylun (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 04:37 AM
Barnett dros from #2 to #13 without losing a fight. Serves him right I guess
Posted By: Conk (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 06:58 AM
Funny to see brocks last five fights are ALL his fights and hes ranked 2nd.
Minotauro will submit him with an armbar
Posted By: Guest111 (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 07:44 AM
why is Lesnar #2? Its clear that he is afraid of the giant killer Minowa,thats why he never went to DREAM. He should be #3467
see,I can do it too...
Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 09:09 AM
I can't believe how far down you knocked Couture. I can understand the drop but some of the people you ranked ahead of him are ridiculous. Rogers?!? Really? He knocked out Arlovski but does that really put him ahead of Couture? Couture would own him up and down. The same goes for Werdum. Randy is finally slowing down but he is still a top 10 especially when the people knocking him out are a one dimensional Clubber Lang knock off and an overrated BJJ fighter who was run out of the ufc.
Posted By: stronelis (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Barnett's listed?? Really??
Posted By: Shane (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Fedor is just like the Klitchko brothers in boxing. On top by reputation only and fighting tomato cans to cash in on his name. It amazes me that people think that there would be any other outcome than Lesnar taking him down and beating his sleepy eyes shut. FEDOR IS SCARED OF BROCK.......FACE IT "MMA PURISTS"
Posted By: kingave66 (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 01:11 PM
God I hope Brett Rogers beats the shit out of Fedor so his overrated ass quits sitting at the top of these lists.
Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 02:09 PM
It seems like the 411 writers don't know of that many heavyweights, so they have to go with popular names to fill their lists. It's really sad that Brett Rogers and even Shane Carwin, both who are largely untested in the cage, are ranked higher than Jeff Monson and Josh Barnett. Monson has wins over more big names than Carwin and Rogers have even fought. And whatever happens outside the ring/cage should have no affect on Barnett's rankings. There's no way Carwin is ranked fifth and Barnett is thirteenth. That is ludicrous. Many would say he was on the roids for most of his wins. My rebuttal would be- prove it. On top of that, and lets be honest here, do you honestly believe that all the fighters in PRIDE fought clean?
Why do you think Overeem is avoiding the US like the plague?
Posted By: Guest#1491 (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 02:28 PM
"Why do you think Overeem is avoiding the US like the plague?"
not only because of the roid testing thats for sure. He is a successful K-1 fighter,I think he should quit MMA,and concentrate only on kickboxing
Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 03:49 PM
How can Arlovski still be ranked after getting destroyed in 22 seconds..if that's the case Tim Slyvia might as well be ranked
Posted By: RP (Guest) on October 20, 2009 at 09:24 PM
I don't think Rogers can beat Fedor, but I hope to god he loses at some point in his few fights with Strikeforce. So tired of seeing him over worshiped, but I guess at this point it's hard to argue until Brock gets more and more wins in his record. Just personally, hard for me to put Fedor up there when I don't think he could beat Brock.
Everytime I see all of these top lists though I keep thinking how many divisions are weak across all the leagues when there are not better choices than Arlovski or Barnett to put in there. Plus Overeem should not be ranked so highly until he defends his belt and fights some real fights in drug tested leagues.
Posted By: Jeremy S (Registered) on October 22, 2009 at 01:15 AM
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