411's MMA Rankings 10.27.09: Lightweight Division
Posted by Jonathan Solomon on 10.27.2009
411mania's MMA staff ranks the best lightweights in the world in the wake of several big fights inside the division. Shinya Aoki became the first DREAM champion, can he make claim to B.J. Penn's number one spot? Eddie Alvarez and Hellboy Hansen also saw action this month, what does it mean for Kenny Florian and Diego Sanchez? Plus there are some fresh names and for the first time in months, a new organization is represented.
Welcome back, it's your favorite time of the week....411mania MMA RANKINGS~! The fall is usually a busy time for the sport and that is exactly the case this month. Specifically with the lightweight division, several top fighters saw action. Shinya Aoki made history by becoming the first DREAM lightweight champion with a submission win over Joachim Hansen. Eddie Alvarez submitted DEEP's lightweight champion Katusnori Kikuno just this past weekend.
Speaking of this past weekend, how about UFC 104? Gleison Tibau showed it's difficult to avoid his takedowns while also being weak with his striking. Meanwhile, Joe Stevenson was the total package (hopefully the only time I will conjure up Lex Luger) in his win over Spencer Fisher. Stevenson may have trouble getting back near the top of the UFC's lightweight division, but he is taking names and thrashing without discrimination.
Meanwhile, over in WEC, the lightweight title picture had a wrench thrown in by Mr. Ben Henderson. For the majority of 2009, all the talk about that division was about Jamie Varner and Cowboy Donald Cerrone. No longer. In a fight of the year candidate nearly three weeks ago, Henderson outworked Cerrone to become the interim champion. It's expected the title unification bout between Varner and Henderson will take place before the end of 2009. What does this mean for the rankings? Well, needless to say Cerrone is wiped clean off the slate, receiving zero votes. I promise you one more surprise is in store relating to WEC.
There may only be eight weeks left in 2009, but that does not mean the fighting is easing to a slow. On the contrary, eight of this month's top fifteen lightweight fighters are officially, or expected to, fight in the coming weeks. Confirmed fights include B.J. Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Takanori Gomi vs. Tony Hervey, Kenny Florian vs. Clay Guida and Frank Edgar vs. Kurt Pellegrino.
FEEDBACK to Last Week's Heavyweight Rankings
From Brad:
Can't argue there, the top 10 is pretty much spot on though Werdum still in the top 10 makes me a little sad for the HW division. What's the issue with Werdum? Has wins over Gonzaga and Vera and his only recent loss was a KO.
From Jak:
I see Cain destroying Ben Rothwell. You saw correctly.
From dale:
antonio silva should be ranked somewhere. i can't wait for him to smash werdouche right out of the top-15. Antonio Silva, over the past year, has wins over Yoshihiro Nakao and Jim York after failing a drug test in the United States. Who should fall off the list so he can be ranked? A win over Werdum would certainly put him in play again though.
From reality check:
lol at least if you are going to mock arlovski with the picture you choose for him, then mock Barnett as well.
I get why you guys have Carwin and Rogers listed so high, but they really don't deserve it. They are getting over-rated just because they were handed a title shot. It makes the title match-up look better for if you can say Lesnar is fighting a top 5 HW, but come on now. I think Carwin should be much lower. I don't see what he has done to deserve that ranking. If beating Gonzaga is so impressive, then surely destroying Gonzaga twice should get you ranked high. Or perhaps destroying the man who destroyed Gonzaga twice should be higher? Perhaps there is something to that...ranking a man higher because he is in a championship fight. But if Carwin should not be #5, who should be higher than him? Rogers may not be a realistic top-ten fighter but both he and Carwin are undefeated.
From MKick:
his comment is directed towards the three authors who left Barnett completely out of their rankings.
I'm running off the assumption that Barnett was left of your ballots due to his positive steroid test. It is well withing your right to be upset about the issue, as was I, however to not rank him is an oversight bordering on childish.
That positive test doesn't diminish his prior accomplishments, because we can't be certain of his abuse history. Considering that he fought twice before this in high profile bouts in the states, he has passed tests lately. I'm simply suggesting that a positive test doesn't destroy his accomplishments.
Now if you disagree with me, I'll trust that you'll use the same vantage point when you're assessing other weight division. If you're going to hold Barnett at fault as if he doped for every fight, you need to hold other fighters to the same level of accountability.
I do want to be clear. I'm in no way condoning or approving or Barnetts actions. He ruined what was expected to be a great fight, and for that matter, a great fight card. I just see people being too emotional in rankings in regards to him. I can only speak for myself as I was one of the three who chose not to rank Barnett. Combined with the fact that he has had just one fight in the past year, has failed a steroid test and his current inactivity, I felt fine dropping him from my top fifteen fighters. Once Barnett signs with a fight promotion and is scheduled to fight again, I will contemplate adding him back.
From wylun:
A. awesome picture of mir..
B. i think the only way for Brock to be number 1 in here.. is if he stays undefeated against Carwin and fedor falls to Rogers.. (however im still iffy if ppl in here would still vote for fedor as number 1 still even if he loses).....
OR
fedor has to lose atleast once.. and then Lesnar in the future MUSt beat big nog You raise an interesting point. Is there any way Brock can be ranked #1 even if Fedor does not lose on November 7th? It will certainly be an interesting time next month to find out.
From Conk:
Barnett dros from #2 to #13 without losing a fight. Serves him right I guess It's been a casual drop (he was #9 last month) but yes, he's in a free fall right now. It is a combination of inactivity, and the drug test failure.
From SoulBrotherNo1:
why is Lesnar #2? Its clear that he is afraid of the giant killer Minowa,thats why he never went to DREAM. He should be #3467
see,I can do it too... I see what you did...
Hardly a fair comparison however. Brock Lesnar is the UFC champion. Fedor is the king of all non-UFC heavyweight action. He had a chance to come to the UFC and get an immediate shot at Brock, but for a multitude of reasons, chose to go elsewhere.
However, Minowa is awesome~!
From stronelis:
I can't believe how far down you knocked Couture. I can understand the drop but some of the people you ranked ahead of him are ridiculous. Rogers?!? Really? He knocked out Arlovski but does that really put him ahead of Couture? Couture would own him up and down. The same goes for Werdum. Randy is finally slowing down but he is still a top 10 especially when the people knocking him out are a one dimensional Clubber Lang knock off and an overrated BJJ fighter who was run out of the ufc. huh? Rodrigo Nogueira was run out of the UFC? There was a lot of debate among the writers about Couture. First, whether to continue ranking him as a heavyweight and then where. Simply put, many feel he could not compete with the likes of Carwin, dos Santos, Velasquez, etc. in the UFC (big surprise). Several people have Couture as a big underdog heading into UFC 105, too.
From Shane:
Barnett's listed?? Really?? Really.
From kingave66:
Fedor is just like the Klitchko brothers in boxing. On top by reputation only and fighting tomato cans to cash in on his name. It amazes me that people think that there would be any other outcome than Lesnar taking him down and beating his sleepy eyes shut. FEDOR IS SCARED OF BROCK.......FACE IT "MMA PURISTS" You can't have it both ways. Fedor fighting tomato cans? Then what do you call Tim Sylvia in July 2008, Andrei Arlovski in January 2009 and before he couldn't pass a steroid test, Josh Barnett? Hardly tomato cans.
From Butters4Prez:
God I hope Brett Rogers beats the shit out of Fedor so his overrated ass quits sitting at the top of these lists. Overrated? He beats whomever is booked against him.
From RP:
How can Arlovski still be ranked after getting destroyed in 22 seconds..if that's the case Tim Slyvia might as well be ranked Simply put, Sylvia is not ranked because he was knocked out by Ray Mercer. Arlovski is still ranked because he is still a threat in the division. His weakness being his chin at this stage, if he can ever take a punch again, he will imrpove.
From Jeremy S:
I don't think Rogers can beat Fedor, but I hope to god he loses at some point in his few fights with Strikeforce. So tired of seeing him over worshiped, but I guess at this point it's hard to argue until Brock gets more and more wins in his record. Just personally, hard for me to put Fedor up there when I don't think he could beat Brock.
Everytime I see all of these top lists though I keep thinking how many divisions are weak across all the leagues when there are not better choices than Arlovski or Barnett to put in there. Plus Overeem should not be ranked so highly until he defends his belt and fights some real fights in drug tested leagues. What are these fake fights Overeem is participating in? Whether you think Brock can beat Fedor, it's tough to argue who is the better fighter. Fedor has years upon years of evidence while Brock has four fights.
Thanks for all the great comments, feedback and everything in between.
Lightweight Rankings from One Year Ago (10/16/2008)
1. B.J. Penn
2. Takanori Gomi
3. Shinya Aoki
4. Gesias "JZ" Cavalcante
5. Eddie Alvarez
6. Kenny Florian
7. Sean Sherk
8. Joachim Hansen
9. Josh Thomson
10. Gilbert Melendez
Tatsuya Kawajiri, Tyson Griffin, Mitsuhiro Ishida, Joe Stevenson, Frank Edgar, Jamie Varner and Nate Diaz were "On The Bubble."
THE CREW
The 411 MMA staff is pulling back the curtain to reveal the great 411 Oz. After some consideration, for the the first time in the soon-to-be two-year history of 411 MMA Rankings that you will be able to see which knucklehead put which fighter where.
So here are the nuts and bolts, the breakdown of the rankings from your favorite 411 MMA personalities:
- A fighter must fight at least once within the past calendar year to be ranked. The rule applies to weight classes as well so fighters must stay active inside their native weight class. However, if a fighter has a fight scheduled, they are eligible to be ranked.
- If a fighter appears on just one single ballot, and in the top ten, five points shall be deducted to balance out between other fighters who may have been ranked lower, but appeared on more total ballots.
- If you feel like complaining about a fighter's ranking in the comments section, then please include an objective reason as to why you don't like the ranking. Remember "if u rite lik thiss" then your opinion doesn't matter and everyone will point and laugh.
- 411's MMA Rankings are voted on by the MMA staff of 411mania. If you wish to jump on the bandwagon and throw your hate on top of the pile, be my guest. Just have faith that there will be no backlash, we're writers not fighters. Besides, this is not North Korea. At least, that's what I heard Csonka shout at Ash behind closed doors one time.
* denotes a statistical tie.
* Josh Thomson remains ineligible because it has been over a year (9/20/2008) since he last fought and he is not scheduled for a fight as of this week.
411's Official MMA Rankings
Lightweight Division (155 lbs)
1) B.J. Penn (14-5-1)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: December 13, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Kenny Florian - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 101: Declaration - August 8, 2009
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via TKO (corner stoppage) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 - January 31, 2009
- vs. Sean Sherk - Win via TKO (knees and punches) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
- vs. Joe Stevenson - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 80: Rapid Fire - January 19, 2008
- vs. Jens Pulver - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Ultimate Fighter 5 Finale - June 6, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Diego Sanchez - UFC 107 - December 12, 2009
2) Shinya Aoki (22-4)
Height: 5'11
Birthday: May 9, 1983
Currently Fighting With: DREAM
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Joachim Hansen - Win via submission (armbar) - DREAM 11 - October 6, 2009
- vs. Vitor Ribeiro - Win via decision (unanimous) - DREAM 10 - July 20, 2009
- vs. Hayato Sakurai - Loss via KO (knees) - DREAM 8: Welterweight Grand Prix 1st Round - April 5, 2009
- vs. David Gardner - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - DREAM 7: Featherweight Grand Prix 1st Round - March 8, 2009
- vs. Eddie Alvarez - Win via submission (heel hook) - FEG FieLDS Dynamite!! 2008 - December 31, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. TBA - K-1 Dynamite!! 2009 - December 31, 2009
Comment: Aoki defeated Joachim Hansen earlier in the month to continue his run as the #2 lightweight in the world. Up next for him is a New Year's Eve date with either Tatsuya Kawajiri or Eddie Alvarez.
3) Eddie Alvarez (18-2)
Birthday: November 11, 1984
Currently Fighting With: DREAM, Bellator Fighting Championship, Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Katsunori Kikuno - Win via submission (arm-triangle choke) - DREAM 12 - October 25, 2009
- vs. Toby Imada - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Bellator Fighting Championship 12 - June 19, 2009
- vs. Eric Reynolds - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Bellator Fighting Championship 5 - May 1, 2009
- vs. Greg Loughran - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - Bellator Fighting Championship 1 - April 3, 2009
- vs. Shinya Aoki - Loss via submission (heel hook) - FEG FieLDS Dynamite!! 2008 - December 31, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Alvarez defeated the DEEP lightweight champion this weekend in convincing fashion. Now we await his next fight whether it be with DREAM or Bellator.
4) Tatsuya Kawajiri (25-5-2)
Height: 5'7
Birthday: May 8, 1978
Currently Fighting With: DREAM
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Melchor Manibusan - Win via TKO (strikes) - DREAM 11 - October 6, 2009
- vs. Gesias Calvacante - Win via decision (unanimous) - DREAM 9: Featherweight Grand Prix Second Round - May 26, 2009
- vs. Ross Ebanez - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - DREAM 7: Featherweight Grand Prix First Round - March 8, 2009
- vs. Eddie Alvarez - Loss via TKO (punches) - DREAM 5: Lightweight Grand Prix Final - July 21, 2008
- vs. Luiz Firmino - Win via decision (unanimous) - DREAM 3 - Lightweight Grand Prix Quarterfinals - May 11, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Kawajiri becomes a top-five fighter for the first time according to 411mania. After his DREAM 11 win, he is on pace to challenge for the lightweight championship before the end of the year.
5) Kenny Florian (11-4)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: May 26, 1976
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. BJ Penn - Loss via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 101: Declaration - August 8, 2009
- vs. Joe Stevenson - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - November 15, 2008
- vs. Roger Huerta - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Joe Lauzon - Win via TKO (punches and elbows) - UFC: Fight Night 13 - April 2, 2008
- vs. Din Thomas - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC: Fight Night 11 - September 19, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Clay Guida - UFC 107 - December 12, 2009
6) Gilbert Melendez (15-2)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: April 12, 1982
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Mitsuhiro Ishida - Win via TKO - Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg - August 15, 2009
- vs. Rodrigo Damm - Win via KO - Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Diaz - April 11, 2009
- vs. Josh Thomson - Loss via decision (unanimous) - Strikeforce: Melendez vs. Thomson - June 27, 2008
- vs. Gabe Lemley - Win via TKO (punches) - Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Le - March 29, 2008
- vs. Mitsuhiro Ishida - Loss via decision (unanimous) - Yarennoka: New Year's Even 2007 - December 31, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
7) Diego Sanchez (21-2)
Height: 5'11
Birthday: December 31, 1981
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Clay Guida - Win via decision (split) - UFC Ultimate Fighter 9 Finale - June 20, 2009
- vs. Joe Stevenson - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 21, 2009
- vs. Luigi Fioravanti - Win via TKO (strikes) - Ultimate Fighter 7 Finale - June 21, 2008
- vs. David Bielkheden - Win via submission (strikes) - UFC 82: Pride of a Champion - March 1, 2008
- vs. Jon Fitch - Loss via decision (split) - UFC 76: Knockout - September 22, 2007
- vs. Josh Koscheck - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 69: Shootout - April 7, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. B.J. Penn - UFC 107 - December 12, 2009
Comment: This spot was the first real drop off from the men above. Diego Sanchez just clocked in one spot better than Tatsuya Kawajiri and with a main event fight coming up later this year, perhaps Sanchez's momentum up this list will find him holding court after UFC 107.
8) Joachim Hansen (19-8-1)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: May 26, 1979
Currently Fighting With: DREAM
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Shinya Aoki - Loss via submission (armbar) - DREAM 11 - October 6, 2009
- vs. Shinya Aoki - Win via TKO (punches) - DREAM 5 Lightweight Grand Prix Final - July 21, 2008
- vs. Kultar Gill - Win via submission (armbar) - DREAM 5 Lightweight Grand Prix Final - July 21, 2008
- vs. Eddie Alvarez - Loss via decision (unanimous) - DREAM 3 Lightweight Grand Prix Quarterfinals - May 11, 2008
- vs. Kotetsu Boku - Win via decision (unanimous) - DREAM 1 Lightweight Grand Prix Opening Round - March 15, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Even in defeat, HELLBOY moves up one spot. He may have lost the fight, but he did plenty of damage to Aoki throughout the contest. A frustrating fight for him, undoubtedly, and definitely a frustrating fight to watch.
9) Frankie Edgar (10-1)
Height: 5'6
Birthday: October 16, 1981
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Sean Sherk - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Hermes Franca - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC Fight Night: Silva vs. Irvin - July 19, 2008
- vs. Gray Maynard - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC Fight Night 13 - April 2, 2008
- vs. Spencer Fisher - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 78: Validation - November 17, 2007
- vs. Mark Bocek - Win via TKO (strikes) - UC 73: Stacked - July 7, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Kurt Pellegrino - TUF 10 Finale - December 5, 2009
Comment: The reason, and only reason why Frankie Edgar is in this spot is his win over Sean Sherk. Let's see if he can keep winning fights and somehow roll into a title shot next year.
10) Gray Maynard (8-0)
Height: 5'8
Birthday: May 9, 1979
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Roger Huerta - Win by decision (unanimous) - UFC Fight Night 19 - September 16, 2009
- vs. Jim Miller - Win by decision (unanimous) - UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine - March 7, 2009
- vs. Rich Clementi - Win by decision (unanimous) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. Frank Edgar - Win by decision (unanimous) - UFC Fight Night 13 - April 2, 2008
- vs. Dennis Siver - Win by decision (unanimous) - UFC Fight Night 12 - January 23, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Nate Diaz - UFC Fight Night: Diaz vs. Maynard - January 11, 2010
Comment: Maynard has to be on the cusp of receiving a championship match and a win over Nate Diaz may push him over the top. If not, what does this guy have to do to get the golden opportunity?
11) Sean Sherk (33-4-1)
Height: 5'6
Birthday: August 5, 1973
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Frankie Edgar - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Tyson Griffin - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. BJ Penn - Loss via TKO (knees and punches) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
- vs. Hermes Franca - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 73: Stacked - July 7, 2007
- vs. Kenny Florian - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 64: Unstoppable - October 14, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Injured
12) Tyson Griffin (13-2)
Height: 5'6
Birthday: April 20, 1984
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Hermes Franca - Win via KO - UFC 103: Belfort vs. Franklin - September 19, 2009
- vs. Rafael dos Anjos - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC Fight Night: Condit vs. Kampmann - April 1, 2009
- vs. Sean Sherk - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. Marcus Aurelio - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin - July 5, 2008
- vs. Gleison Tibau - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 81: Breaking Point - February 2, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
13) Joe Stevenson (31-10)
Height: 5'7
Birthday: June 15, 1982
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Spencer Fisher - Win via submission (elbows) - UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun - October 24, 2009
- vs. Nate Diaz - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC TUF 9 Finale - June 20, 2009
- vs. Diego Sanchez - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 21, 2009
- vs. Kenny Florian - Loss via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - November 15, 2008
- vs. Gleison Tibau - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin - July 5, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Joe Daddy makes his return to the rankings after putting together his first win streak since August 2007. Over his last five fights, he definitely has some impressive wins over the likes of Gleison Tibau, Nate Diaz and now, Spencer Fisher.
14) Ben Henderson (10-1)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: November 16, 1983
Currently Fighting With: WEC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Donald Cerrone - Win via decision (unanimous) - WEC 43: Cerrone vs. Henderson - October 10, 2009
- vs. Shane Roller - Win via TKO (strikes) - WEC 40: Torres vs. Mizugaki - April 5, 2009
- vs. Anthony Njokuani - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 38: Varner vs. Cerrone - January 25, 2009
- vs. Diego Saraiva - Win via decision (unanimous) - EVO MMA - October 4, 2008
- vs. Ricardo Tirlone - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - MFC 17: Hostile Takeover - July 25, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Jamie Varner - WEC - Date TBA
Comment: Henderson becomes the first WEC lightweight to be ranked since Varner was in February.
15) Takanori Gomi (30-5)
Height: 5'8
Birthday: September 22, 1978
Currently Fighting With: Free Agent
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Takashi Nakakura - Win via KO - Shooto: Tradition Final - May 10, 2009
- vs. Satoru Kitaoka - Loss via submission (achilles lock) - World Victory Road - Sengoku: no Ran 2009 - January 4, 2009
- vs. Sergey Golyaev - Loss via decision (split) - World Victory Road - Sengoku 6 - November 1, 2008
- vs. Seung Hwan Bang - Win via unanimous decision - World Victory Road - Sengoku 4 - August 24, 2008
- vs. Duane Ludwig - Win via TKO (cut) - World Victory Road - Sengoku - March 5, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Tony Hervey - Vale Tudo Japan 2009 - October 30, 2009
Final Notes: Other fighters receiving votes include JZ Calvacante and Clay Guida.
You guys must love the BCS. It's the only thing I know of that compares to your continued support Edgar being ranked about Maynard.
Posted By: AdamS (Guest) on October 27, 2009 at 01:25 AM
I think what would probably help Gray is if he actually finished a fight. He has not finished a fight in quite a long time. Like Kenny said, I wanna see fight finished at 155.
Posted By: A. Coolman (Guest) on October 27, 2009 at 07:45 AM
there is NO WAY Joe Stevenson or Sean Sherk should be ranked higher than Clay Guida...so why isn't guida on this list??
Posted By: RP (Guest) on October 27, 2009 at 09:55 AM
Harris must be smoking crack. Florian at 14 with Stevenson above him???? Did you see their fight???
Posted By: lowe (Guest) on October 27, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Solomon - In response to your response on my comment last week.
I was not stating that nogueira was run out i was referring to Werdum. You seemed to have missed my point. I was not arguing anyones placement ahead of couture other than Rogers and Werdum. As i said in the comment I understand the drop for Randy I just strongly disagree that he has fallen below Rogers and Werdum as I feel he would own either one of them.
Posted By: stronelis (Guest) on October 27, 2009 at 01:04 PM
Why should Guida be ranked above Sherk or Stevenson?
Stevenson's last three loses have been against Penn, Florian and Sanchez and he's on a two fight win streak.
Sherk's also won his last fight and he's beaten two men on this list while Guida hasn't.
Posted By: K. Bett (Guest) on October 30, 2009 at 01:13 PM
