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MMA's 3R’s 10.27.09: The UFC 104 Breakdown!
Posted by Larry Csonka on 10.27.2009





* The Column Concept *
For those of you unfamiliar with the concept of the column, here it is. The column will look at events and or happenings in the world of MMA. They will be broken down into the three categories, the Right, the wRong and the Ridiculous. The Right will be the good and great fights or positive news items of the week. Perhaps even big fight announcements. The wRong will be bad fights, bad booking decisions and the like. Finally, the Ridiculous are the things that were just the worst of the world of MMA. They get grouped in their categories, and for a show, they will get a score from 1-10, based on the 411 ratings scale.


* And now, the 3R's of…*




*UFC 104 RESULTS*

* PRELIM BOUT: Kyle Kingsbury def. Razak Al-Hassan via split decision (29-28, 28-29, 29-28)
* PRELIM BOUT: Jorge Rivera def. Rob Kimmons via TKO (punches) - Round 3, 1:53

* SPIKE TV PRELIM: Patrick Barry defeats Antoni Hardonk via TKO at 2:30 of Round 2
* PRELIM BOUT (Added to SPIKE Broadcast): Stefan Struve def. Chase Gormley via submission (triangle choke) - Round 1, 4:04
* SPIKE TV PRELIM: Ryan Bader defeats Eric Schafer by unanimous decision (30-27, 29-26, 30-27)

* PPV BOUT: Anthony Johnson defeats Yoshiyuki Yoshida by KO at 0:41 of the first round
* PPV BOUT: Joe Stevenson defeats Spencer Fisher by TKO at 4:03 of Round 2
* PRELIM BOUT (Added to PPV Broadcast): Chael Sonnen def. Yushin Okami via unanimous decision (30-27 across the cards)
* PPV BOUT: Gleison Tibau defeats Josh Neer by unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28)
* PPV BOUT: Cain Velasquez defeats Ben Rothwell by TKO at 0:43 of the second round
* PPV BOUT: Lyoto Machida defeats Mauricio "Shogun" Rua by unanimous decision (48-47 across)



  • THE RIGHT:

    DANA WHITE VIDEO BLOGS RETURN!: I actually do not have a lot to say here, other than I really enjoy the Dana White video blogs. They are fun and a good distraction during the week to the event. I hope that they don't go away again, because Dana being Dana is always fun. Also, fatty (not Dana) needs to pony up for some ice cream, cheap bastard.

    THE UFC 104 COUNTDOWN SPECIAL: I have said time and time again that I am a huge fan of the UFC Countdown specials. They almost always deliver, it is a simple yet effective formula, and it is something that has historically added PPV buys. I have to say that I absolutely LOVED the UFC 104 countdown special. The stuff on Machida and Shogun was good, as they worked on personalizing both fighters to us, and that is a good thing. Also, Machida training all Karate Kid II style ruled. But the build for Velasquez vs. Rothwell was AWESOME. They did a good job hyping Velasquez and his accomplishments, as well as the fact that he could be a Latino draw for the company. But they made a STAR out of Ben Rothwell. They took a guy that most "UFC" fans will not know, highlighted his career very well, but most importantly, they made you care about the guy. From his battle with Spinal Meningitis as a kid, to being picked on de to his weight, his getting into shape and becoming a bully, the car accident that took his friend's life and left him in a coma and his journey into MMA, this shit RULED and made me want to see this man fight and win!

    SPIKE TV PRELIMS: Once again I feel that the SPIKE TV PRELIMS were a big success. I know that Dana has always felt that the prelims are an added bonus for the paying arena customer and the PPV customer on occasion, but I personally love the prelims on SPIKE. First of all, SPIKE and the UFC keep growing their relationship, hell SPIKE is basically the UFC network and that is a good thing. With the prelims, we got to see all but TWO fights, and as a PPV customer, this addition allows me to see almost the full card. The fights were also good fights again, not as good as last time, but good. Patrick Barry defeated Antoni Hardonk in a fun fight. Hardonk claiming to be the best striker in the HW division made me laugh, because I have never seen this great striking. He must have practiced the striking and not the defense, because Barry, who is shorted, weighs less and has less reach picked him apart and constantly punched right through Hardonk's "defense". Stefan Struve submitting Chase Gormley was fun, and Struve keeps getting better and bigger. He could be really scary if he grows into his body and potential. I also liked the Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer fight. Schafer shows that he has a lot of heart, and this was also a fight where Bader HAD to dig deep. He blew himself up in round one trying to finish him, and then had to use everything he had to complete the fight and survive. I think as a fighter that you need fights like that. Sure he has an impressive record, but you need to be tested, and he was here. This was a nice collection of free fights, and I appreciated them.

    Joe Stevenson defeats Spencer Fisher: Since heading to Jackson's camp, Joe Stevenson is a new fighter, and that is a great thing. Stevenson was a good fighter won TUF, and had a run, but he never evolved, but his losses were to quality opponents. He now has rebounded against Diaz and Fisher, who was looking to get a title shot with the victory. His three wins in a row were impressive, but Stevenson dismantled him and took home a very good win here. Stevenson seems to be getting better and better, which could be scary for the other UFC lightweights. This was a fun fight.

    Chael Sonnen def. Yushin Okami: Yushin Okami had put up a 7-1 record, and many felt he could be a contender and were wondering why he wasn't on SPIKE on the main card. Sonnen was thought to be a contender, and was silenced quickly by Maia, and was looking for back-to-back wins in the UFC. Sonnen looked like a new man here as he controlled Okami for three rounds, and took home the very unlikely, one-sided victory. I like Chael Sonnen and think he has a lot of upside, and to see him perform at this level, against a competitor like Okami was great to watch.

    Cain Velasquez defeats Ben Rothwell: Cain Velasquez did numerous things at UFC 104. First of all he won a fight against a very good heavyweight in Ben Rothwell. Secondly he came off like a superstar in his domination. Thirdly he showed that even as an undersized heavyweight, he could overpower a bigger man. For all of the doubters, myself included, the man showed that he has the potential to be a true contender and a true top heavyweight. Velasquez was shorter, weighted less and was at a reach disadvantage, but he took a man with a ton of experience and made him look like an amateur. I never thought that Velasquez would dominate and finish Rothwell like he did, it was a truly impressive victory. I will agree that the stoppage was a bit soon, as Rothwell was getting up, but he was done anyway you look at it. I had my doubts about Cain, and I will discuss them below, but consider me silenced after that incredible performance.



  • THE puRgatoRy:

    Anthony Johnson defeats Yoshiyuki Yoshida: Rumble Johnson continued his rise in the Welterweight division with a dominating performance over Yoshida. Johnson's performance was virtually flawless, but I cannot be as complimentary as I would like due to Johnson missing weight as he did. That also cost him 20% of his purse as well as the KO of the night.

    Gleison Tibau defeats Josh Neer: Some people didn't really enjoy the Tibau vs. Neer bout, but I enjoyed it. Going into the fight, everyone was downplaying Neer's ground game, and while I cannot argue that he needs massive work on his takedown defense, his ground game is vastly underrated. While he was constantly owned when getting taken down, once he got down, he did phenomenal work on the ground to negate Tibau's offense. Tibau dominated well, but just could not do anything once he got down there. The takedowns were clearly enough to earn him the fight, but Neer gave him fits all night in the ground. I will not give this an all out right, due to the weight issues, whish I will discuss below.



  • THE WRONG:

    My Apologies To Cain Velasquez: This is more of a personal wrong, nothing to do with the show score, but one I feel I should have to say. In this week's fact or fiction, when asked if I thought Velasquez would finish Rothwell, I stated…

    "But if I am honest here, I do not have confidence that Velasquez will finish him. I think that he can win, but finish, not sure at all."

    There was more to that, basically the Kongo fight didn't impress me and I thought that Cain could win, but I had NO confidence that he would finish. Obviously I was wrong, and I will freely admit that. I have no problem saying that I am wrong, I was here, and my apologies to Mr. Velasquez.



  • THE RIDICULOUS:

    PEOPLE MISSING WEIGHT: I am REALLY sick about discussing people missing weight. Some people say that I should not care, but sorry, making weight is part of the fight game, and when guys miss it, I will bitch about it. I know I will get the usual "You never competed in MMMA and have no clue what it is like" and I don't care. At UFC 104 we had THREE GUYS with weight issues. First of all there is the case of Josh Neer vs. Gleison Tibau. They came in at 156.5 and 157, and did not even try to cut down to 156. They just agreed to fight as is. Hey, dumb asses, that's not the weight you were contracted to fight at. Bullshit. And then, then we come to a guy that I really like. Anthony RUMBLE Johnson came in at 176! FIVE pounds over the limit. Johnson failed to make weight and had already notified his opponent; the fight will be held at 176 pounds, which Yoshida agreed to because he is getting part of Johnson's purse. I have already heard the excuses, and I don't care if he was injured or sick, you should be working on shedding weight the whole camp, not just the few days before. Dude reportedly went into camp at 220 POUNDS. Ok son, you're obviously a growing boy, time to move to middleweight, because this is simply ridiculous and insulting to your opponent, the company and the fans. The bottom line is this: as a fighter, your job is to train, make weight, show up, put in your best effort and piss clean. I really hate when guys miss weight, do your damn job. Let's get some more serious punishments in here for missing weight, can we please? Once again, I beg that we have either same day weigh-ins, or a second day weigh-in to where you cannot re-hydrate more than 10-pounds. I am sick about hearing about the "science of cutting weight", guys need to fight closer to their walk around weight, because weight cutting is very dangerous. Ask Daniel Cormier.

    SOMEONE CALL THE COPS…SHOGUN JUST GOT ROBBED…or something like that…: Machida was given a HUGE gift at UFC 104 as he escaped the event with the title in one of the worst decisions in recent memory. Shogun was back with a great game plan and he pressed the action without going crazy, and he CHOPPED down Machida. He brutalized him with leg kicks, making Machida stumble numerous times and changing stances because he was hurt. Machida lost his bounce, he lost his power and he could do NOTHING as he got chopped down. Also, his midsection was brutalized and Shogun simply was aiming for the biggest target, and Machida's rubs were almost as bad off as his legs. Shogun controlled the octagon, he was more aggressive and landed more damaging shots. That is a FACT, not an opinion and even Fight Metric backs that up. I am not a huge fan o that actually, but it helps illustrate that Rua picked Machida apart. On press row, NO ONE has Machida winning the fight. MMAJunkie, 411 and just about EVERY MMA site had Shogun the winner of the fight. Frank Tirgg and Jason High were on TWITTER and offering up their scores, and they both agreed that Shogun CLEARLY won the fight. According to High, when the winner was announced, High posted "WHAT!? Every fighter in this house is shitting themselves." This was a SHIT decision, and the ONLY good news out of this is that Shogun came off as a star, and the rematch, which Dana says has been agreed too, should do a good buy rate. Welcome to the fucking Machida error…


    * The 411 *


    At the end of the day, I feel that the event is hurt by the horrible decision in the main event and guys missing weight. Personally that took a lot of enjoyment away for me. There were some good fights, I loved the free prelims, the countdown special was also excellent, but I cannot give the whole deal as high a grade as I would have liked.

    SHOW RATING: 7.0



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    "Welcome to the fucking Machida error…" Ha, ha, that's great. Yeah, it was most definitely a gift. Decisions like that are why I stopped watching boxing. I'm not done with mma, that's for sure, but it's lost a bit of luster. I hope they take this bit of controversy seriously and look into reforming the judging system.

    Posted By: Tommy Boy (Guest)  on October 26, 2009 at 11:25 PM

     
     
    I can't agree with that fight metric. Machida landed more head shots I thought. Almost every kick Shogun threw hard Machida hit a left/right combo.

    Posted By: hmmm (Guest)  on October 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM

     
     
    BRING BACK PRIDE RULES

    Posted By: Daniel B (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 12:02 AM

     
     
    yeah, rewatch the fight, and Machida definitely lands more than 14 total headshots, so the "fact" of that fight metric is suspect at best. Shogun did not dominate Machida. It was a very close fight, and it could have easily gone either way. I've said it several times on this site, this was a great thing for the division, because an immediate rematch means they have time to build new contenders.

    Posted By: Duncan (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 12:09 AM

     
     
    why is ufc youtube act suspended

    Posted By: MaZZacare (Registered)  on October 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM

     
     
    I was pulling for Machida to win but I had to admit Shogun won that match (I gave him 3 rounds; Round 2, 4 and 5) and was very surprised at the decision. I'm glad a rematch will happen and also glad the shogun of old is back :D

    Also Machida Error...Okay that's funny :D


    Posted By: The_Mystical_Ninja (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 02:32 AM

     
     
    Not sure re: PRIDE rules. An argument I've heard for round-by-round (though not 10-point must... the "must" part, anyway) is that that way, a judge can be queried more specifically, i.e. "why did you give round # to fighter A/B?"

    Funny thing I saw over the weekend... one of those writers defending the decision also gave Bisping/Hamill to Bisping.


    Posted By: Edward (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 02:56 AM

     
     
    Shogun opened the eyes of a lot of people. The mystique of Machida is gone now. Next time there will be no bullshit decision and Shogun will bring that old Pride ferocity and will be champion. Damn that decision pissed me off!

    Posted By: B (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 03:50 AM

     
     
    I can't agree with that fight metric. Machida landed more head shots I thought. Almost every kick Shogun threw hard Machida hit a left/right combo.

    Posted By: hmmm (Guest) on October 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM


    i agree with you.. ppl have to watch the fight again and stop listening to joe rogan praise shoguns kicks.. while he goes on for like 10 secs after each kick about how good it was, ppl listen and miss the counter strikes by machida.. AND THATS WHAT THE JUDGES SEE


    Posted By: wylun (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 04:10 AM

     
     
    Regardless on whether Shogun dominated Machida or won by 1 punch, everyone in the world knows that he should have won, and that he got robbed

    Posted By: Shawno420 (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 07:13 AM

     
     
    Csonka you're a donkey. You are supposed to be a highly knowledgable MMA analyst but you're coming off as just another fuckwad casual fan who drove his Dad's Benz to watch this new trendy MMA thing. Were you boo'ing during the slow parts of fights like the rest of the douchebags out there?

    The Machida was close, razor fucking close. I scored it 3 to 2 for Machida with the first 3 rounds going to Machida before the leg kicks took over and Rua started dominating him. But I could see the scoring going either way, thats how some fights go.

    To claim that Rua got screwed and that Rua dominated Machida is assinine. I scored it for Machida but if the fight had been given to Rua I wouldn't have claimed Machida was screwed because no one in that fight could be screwed if the decisions were all 3 rounds to 2.

    I knew going into this week that all the newer or uneducated fans would be bitching but I expected better from you. I expected you to handle this better regardless of who you thought should have won, but i guess not. I guess your just another victim of Rogans unbelievably biased verbal fellatio of Rua.

    To reiterate my point. I don't care if you thought Rua won. I could definitely see the fight going 3-2 Rua regardless of how I scored it. My criticism is coming directly from the claim that Rua got screwed. No one gets screwed in a fight that close where the decision is 3 rounds to 2.


    Posted By: Stronelis (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 10:00 AM

     
     
    Yes it was the wrong decision, but I'm getting sick of this "worst decision in history" crap. Shogun has no-one to blame but himself for losing.

    Lyoto was there for Shogun to take out. In the 4th and 5th he was gassed and Shogun could of stepped up and stopped him at any point. Instead he did what he'd done in the first three rounds and stood in the ceter of the ring and threw half a dozen low kicks a round and let Lyto throw enough head counters back to keep him in the fight.

    Yes Lyoto lost, but Shogun didn't dominate him for five rounds. He decided to do just enough to win the fight and listen to his brother in the corner. He half-assed it and paid the price. No sympathy here.


    Posted By: blurgh (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM

     
     
    Just to add my two cents on the main event, this was in no way a robbery. It was a razor-thin decision that outside of the last two rounds (which I felt were clearly for Rua) could have gone either way.

    For anybody watching this fight, to truly capture just how close it was, muting this fight is imperative. As intriguing a fight as this was, it was commentated horrendously and Rogan's bias the moment Shogun so much as twitched a muscle can skew one's perception of the outcome. Plenty of those leg kicks by Shogun saw Machida land a counter strike, but it fell on deaf ears at the announce table.

    IMO, the first round was the swing round of the fight. I thought 2 and 3 were Machida's upon first viewing and rewatching round one, that's honestly a 10-10 round if I've ever seen one. I can understand arguments on both sides as to who took the opening roun and for people to cry robbery is just idiotic.

    And for anyone who wants to cite Fight Metric as the end-all, be-all proof that Shogun should have won, then you can no longer piss and moan about the Bisping/Hamill decision. The high and mighty Fight Metric scored that one for "The Count."

    In the end, this was just a really close fight and with no burgeoning contenders at the moment, a rematch makes sense on all levels. Unfortunately, I think Shogun pissed away his best chance at a victory because with months of adjustments for Machida, I suspect Lyoto to edge Shogun the second time around.


    Posted By: Matt Welch (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 03:00 PM

     
     
    The idea that Shogun got robbed in a fight where he only clearly won 2 out of 5 rounds and another round could be a toss up either way is laughable. Really, everyone needs to calm down.

    Shogun didn't clearly win anymore than Machida did.

    I think first of all, way too many people were just impressed that Shogun made the showing he did and they are giving him extra credit for that. Machida landed a hell of a lot of hits and the fight metric crap that various sites refer to as fact needs to stop. I can rewatch the fight myself and see the lack of facts in fight metric.

    I thought the first round was a toss up, the 2nd and 3rd for Machida and 4th and 5th to Shogun. Neither of them acted like they wanted to win the fight, just counter the other. Congats to Shogun for figuring out machida and hanging in there, but it takes more than just doing that to win. Same to Machida.

    Hope the rematch is better and actually "clear" to the victor.


    Posted By: Jeremy S (Registered)  on October 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM

     
     
    Shogun-Machida is debatable, but I honestly think Machida won rounds 1,3 and 5 to win and the judges made the right call.
    Shogun fans are not gonna like this, but you can't leg kick for 25 minutes and expect to win.
    None of shogun's attacks besides the leg kicks had any damaging value. His only other consistent attack was attempted takedowns, which he never succeeded on, and that is a credit to Machida's takedown defense.
    Whenever Machida attacked, he was in a dominant position after the attack. He attacked in a way that they demanded attention because they had KO potential.
    Whether you like it or not, Machida limped out as champion. Yes he may have been more damaged in the leg, but Shogun appeared to be going for a win on points while Machida wanted a KO. In UFC, going for the dominant victory is always rewarded.


    Posted By: Sean (Guest)  on October 27, 2009 at 07:10 PM

     


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