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Blood On The Mat 10.29.09: The Right Man Won
Posted by  on 10.29.2009



Hello and welcome back to Blood On The Mat. My name is Adam Tool and I might as well get this out of the way up front. If you come back to this space in seven days you will see the next edition of this column. It will also be the last edition, as I'm going to be leaving 411mania at the end of next week. More on that in next week's column, now is there anything to talk about this week?


When the buzzer sounded to signal the end of the fifth round, I really had no idea who had won the main event of UFC 104. I was rooting for Lyoto Machida, but "Shogun" Rua had managed to inflict a good deal of damage on the champion. According to the commentary team the decision was essentially a foregone conclusion, but I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the result to be read.

When Machida was announced as the winner, I was mildly surprised. After that I was happy, but just for a brief moment. Any joy I might've felt was quickly replaced by an overwhelming sense of dread, as I knew this would be another razor-thin decision that would be hotly contested in the days and weeks to come.



What I couldn't have imagined at the time though was how one-sided the debate would be. Hardly anyone seemed to be agreeing with the decision, from the commentary team, to the fans in attendance, to the many fighters responding on Twitter, to the various members of the message/comment boards around the internet, all seemed to be crying out that the wrong man had won.

Here I am now at my weekly column. Could I possibly bypass this subject and talk about something else? For example, what the hell is the deal with Steve Mazzagatti?



No, the shitstorm was too strong. I had to talk about it. But then I asked myself this: could I really make a case for Machida getting the win? Well, you've already read this column's title so I guess you know the answer to that.

Here's the thing though, the title and these introductory paragraphs were actually the last things to be written for this article. I didn't know what direction my column would take until I watched the fight again. I needed to be sure that I was going to have a leg to stand on, especially since I'm going against a very vocal majority of fans.



Now, it's impossible to watch this fight a second time without any pre-conceived notions. I had seen it once, and of course I already knew how it would end. I've read countless articles and had numerous discussions about this very fight, so needless to say there was already plenty to think about before I sat down to watch it again.

I therefore set out to make myself as clean a slate as possible. I wanted to view each round objectively and see if I truly could make a case for the decision that was rendered. If not, then I guess I would have to add my voice to the rather deafening chorus that is screaming "robbery" to anyone that will hear them.

DISCLAIMER: I am not, nor have I ever professed to be, a competent judge of MMA. I've read up on the criteria used to judge North American mixed-martial arts, but that's about it. I am a fan that is fortunate enough to have a soundboard to share my opinions, and those opinions should be treated as such.

First thing I did to watch the fight again was to hit the mute button. Joe Rogan's commentary has been one of many focal points during the ongoing debates, and for good reason. With the amount of extreme nut-hugging throughout the fight, I think it's fair to say that if "Shogun" had been a bit uglier I would've sworn that Karo Parisyan was fighting.



Watching the first round, I don't see how you could possibly score it for "Shogun." Machida countered all of Rua's significant strikes, including the body kick he delivered when "Shogun" landed one of his first leg kicks. Machida stuffed the takedown attempts (Rua did drag him down for a split-second but Machida landed in the sitting position and got right back up) and landed more often.

I also believe Machida took round two. "Shogun" landed several kicks to the leg and body, but all of these kicks were either countered (usually with punches) by Machida, or they didn't land clean because Machida was moving away. Lyoto also threw several unanswered leg kicks and he connected with one of the biggest strikes of the round, delivering a knee to the midsection when Rua shot in.



Round three was the closest so far, but I believe Machida stole it at the end with his big flurry against the cage. Rua was able to keep covered up and block a majority of the strikes, but it was Machida showing the aggression and looking for the finish. I've also seen plenty of criticism that states Rua was the only one pressing forward and controlling the cage, but at least half the round was spent with Machida in the center stalking "Shogun."

The fourth round was close, as neither man landed any real significant shots. I would give it to "Shogun," simply on the basis that he was pushing the action. He also did a better job of blocking Machida's counter-punches and scored with several unanswered leg kicks. Heading into the final frame, Rua appears to be the fresher fighter.



It would be hard for anyone not to give the fifth round to "Shogun." Machida's total offense consisted of a few knees inside, but Rua was able to avoid just about anything else Lyoto could offer up. Rua had a couple of nice flurries, but nothing that looked like it was going to end the fight.

Once again, I'll state that my scoring is highly unofficial but in the end I agree with the decision that was rendered. Feel free to skip the rest of the article if you need to, because if you have a truly awesome flame to throw my way I wouldn't want you to forget it before you get to the comment box.

For those of you still with me, maybe we can try to figure out why this decision has caused so much controversy in the days that followed.



Some fans, not all of course, but some may have been just a bit swayed by the commentary team. For whatever reason, Joe chose not to talk as much about the things Machida was doing right. He's already said on his Twitter page that he's a fan of Machida but he thinks "Shogun" won. Naturally, Goldberg followed his lead and we got 25 minutes of convincing that Rua would be the next light heavyweight champion. After listening to them go on and on about "Shogun" for the whole fight, is there any reason why we, the viewers, shouldn't go along with them?

Let's go back to the fight itself. I was a fan of Machida before he went on a KO spree earlier this year, but I was glad to see him finishing fights and trying to shed his "boring" image. However with "Shogun" spending the whole fight working to counter a counter-striker, the end result is that Machida reverts back to that style of fighting. Had he been more aggressive at times it's fair to say that he would have more supporters getting behind the decision, but that's just speculation.



Here's a little more speculation. If "Shogun" had somehow known he was behind on all three cards before the fifth round, would he have abandoned his patient gameplan and gone back to being the aggressive fighter he's usually been? Does his corner deserve some of the blame for his loss, simply by virtue of telling him that he was ahead in the fight?

The first question is purely hypothetical, but as for the second I'm not so sure. The cornerman should be there to help the fighter in any way possible, and if they think their fighter is behind on the scorecards then they need to let him know. I prefer to think that Rua's corner was simply seeing the fight the way a lot of people saw it: with "Shogun" winning.

Is there a chance that some of us put too much into Rua's performance? What I mean by that is this: thus far in his UFC career Machida has been untouchable. He was never close to losing a fight, never close to losing a round, and he hardly ever got hit. "Shogun" showed the first chinks in Machida's armor, so are the strikes he landed worth more because they were against Machida? Not in any official sense, of course, but in terms of fan perceptions I think a few people may have added some bonus points to Rua's performance in this case. I could be wrong on that one though.



It comes down to this. This was a close fight. Even the most ardent "Shogun" supporters would have trouble scoring the fight 50-45 in his favor, so clearly this was not the kind of dominant performance some seem to believe it was. It was a razor-thin decision that happened to go the way of Machida. It wasn't a "robbery" by any means, but if you still can't accept the decision then I guess you'll just have to wait patiently for the rematch.

I for one am happy that Rua was able to put on the performance that he did. He proved that the current champion is not entirely unbeatable, and as a result he adds some much needed depth to the recently-depleted light heavyweight division. For now, I'll be content to cross my fingers and hope that the second meeting between these two ends in a more convincing fashion.

All photos courtesy of UFC.com

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i always agreed that Machida won since the night of the fight! 1-3 machida, 4-5 rua

Posted By: wylun (Guest)  on October 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM

 
 
good work on da column i still think shogun won 3 rounds to 2 cuz i gave him round 1 but u forgot 1 thing and i think its why so many people say shogun won its cuz at the end he was the fresher man machida lookd like a guy who got beat up they iced both his legs for the last 3 rounds looking at that what ever he did in every round lookd weak seeing that shogun lookd like he can still go and machida lookd like he got beat up every round

Posted By: Guest#4631 (Guest)  on October 28, 2009 at 11:35 PM

 
 
Nice to see someone who shares my view. When watching the fight, I thought Shogun had it, which depressed me as Machida fan. Like you, my appreciation for his talent goes back before his KO string. Watching the fight a second time, without family or other distractions, I can see Machida winning.
The biggest deterrent, and one of the biggest sticking points, the judging of Cecil Peoples, and his moronic comments after the fight. Put any other judge in his slot and you've got less of a shit storm.
I still think Shogun deserves an immediate rematch. If Rampage were still going to fight Rashad, the winner there would get the next shot at the champ, but without a clear cut number 1 contender Shogun should get another crack at Machida


Posted By: Last_Rider (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 12:32 AM

 
 
Yeah Joe Rogan really influenced all the fans in attendance. How many tin foil hats do you have?

Posted By: Guest#0802 (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 12:42 AM

 
 
I scored the fight the exact same way as you and Wylun. I was in a loud bar, so I didn't hear the commentary, and I'd say the bar was pretty evenly split with respect to who won the fight.

I am also surprised how one-sided the commentary on the net has been. Maybe people like to complain. I certainly don't think the ridiculous claims of judges being paid off to make Machida look good make sense. The only time I have ever suspected shenanigans in the UFC was the Bisping/Hamill fight.

At least everyone can agree that a rematch is a good idea. This was an extremely close tactical battle, and hopefully UFC can make it happen ASAP. Rampage/Griffin should have been immediately rematched as well, in my opinion -- but that never happened!


Posted By: Nick (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 12:57 AM

 
 
"Here I am now at my weekly column. Could I possibly bypass this subject and talk about something else? For example, what the hell is the deal with Steve Mazzagatti?"

BEST. OPENING. EVER.


Posted By: Haku (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 01:43 AM

 
 
Steve Mazzagatti is garbage..how about something on him.

Posted By: jonnybegood (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 02:03 AM

 
 
Great refreshing column, I'm very glad you decided not to be a tool...Mr.Tool.
I watched the fight with othercommentators the first time, and they where very unbiased, and later on re-watched it with Rogan and Goldberg....you would think Rogan's dating Shogun's sister or something, and I think people have been affected by it wether they admit it or not.I thought it was a very close fight and was expecting a split decision. Machida winning was the best thing that could have happened...now we get an immediate rematch...where Shogun won't leave it to the judges and Machida feels he needs to prove himself. I think that Machida wasn't at his best at the fight...I think his own hype and the media attention has gotten to him. He won't make that mistake again.It's funny to see how many people has stopped drinking the Machida piss...UFC fans are so loyal..


Posted By: Krajton (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 05:35 AM

 
 
nice to see someone other than Cecil Peoples agreeing with how I scored the fight. i won't go into details as I've already left long posts on 2 or 3 other columns on 411 stating my opinion.

great article as always tool. i look forward to this article every week more than anything else on the 411MMA section.


Posted By: stronelis (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 09:07 AM

 
 
I ALWAYS Watch the UFC's with commentary off. I personally thought the fight should have been scored 48-48. Round 1 was VERY close and could have gone either way. 2 & 3 were Machida Rounds and 4 & 5 were Rua rounds. I would have just ruled it as a draw.

Posted By: Guest#5557 (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 09:29 AM

 
 
The wrong kid died!

Posted By: Frankie (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 09:29 AM

 
 
Best article i have ever read on this site. awesome job.

Posted By: Guest#3695 (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 09:46 AM

 
 
1st off all Machida fans are band wagoners, nobody liked him until he finished T.silva. So with that being said, this dudes a dick rider.
2nd Rogan's commentary couldnt have swayed a whole arena, shogun's camp, and machida or anyone who doesn't speak english.
3rd Machida's only had good knees in the early rounds, but he abandoned them towards the late rounds. Machida was throwing punches that were being blocked by Shogun, then Machida ran a marathon running from Shogun (only a pussy would). Shogun 4-1


Posted By: Its Shogun Nigga (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 10:18 AM

 
 
I thought the stoppage was fair. Ben took 6 unanswered power punches to the face, while kneeling down. I would have stopped the fight to.

Everyone needs to get off Machidas ballsack and off Mazigatis asshole.


Posted By: E-Van (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 10:20 AM

 
 
Great column. The commentary was extremely onesided. They never mentioned the counter strikes that Machida was throwing, just the initial Rua legkicks. Most of the time Goldberg and Rogan to a great job but how can they fail to at least mention it.

Posted By: Billbo (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM

 
 
I initially thought Rua won and seeing as I was in a drunken boisterous room watching, Rogan didn't sway me in any way.

But I commend you for a well written article that discusses the fight in a rational manner, even though I sense you try and straddle that fence more than you want to. Maybe that is just indicative of how close a fight it was.


Posted By: caboose (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

 
 
Macheetah is a peace of fucking shit. He lost 4 out of 5 rounds. No argument what so ever. I hope in the rematch Rua disregards the UFC rules and stomps his head in on the canvas after flooring him. I hope we see our first death in the octagon. And I hope Macshit never walks again. His comments about being superior are a fucking joke. And after Macshit is dead on the canvas I hope Rua pisses all over him as a final humiliation. Macshita is worse then Kalib Starnes, he is a fucking pussy with a McDojo black belt. He should go back to mr Miagi. What a fucking joke of a peace of fucking shit.

Posted By: Macheetah Is a Peace Of Shit (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 12:16 PM

 
 
I still don't think either of them difinatively won the fight, so in that case, give it to the Champ. I was however very annoyed with Rogan during the fight becuase Lyota was countering almost everything Rua did, but he wans`t mentioning it.

Posted By: Smitty (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 12:22 PM

 
 
"But then I asked myself this: could I really make a case for Machida getting the win?"

...That says it all...


Posted By: Clear as day... (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM

 
 
You brought up some excellent points Adam and I am happy to see there was at least 1 writer at 411mania who took this viewpoint.

I am sorry to hear that you'll be hanging up the reins after next week though as I look forward to your column (especially your hilarious photo captions). Take it easy man.


Posted By: Mac (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 01:09 PM

 
 
wow, you pretty much channeled by thoughts in this article

I not only scored the fight the same way, but also thought people gave Rua too much credit. They expected Machida to dominate him and when it didn't happen they were initially shocked that he was doing so well in the first few rounds and that shock overshadowed the rounds Machida was winning. And then after winning the last two rounds, left people thinking Rua had won.


Posted By: Jeremy S (Registered)  on October 29, 2009 at 01:19 PM

 
 
You know what blows my mind? People that say "I can see Machida winning because it was a close fight but it shouldn't have been a unanimous decision". If you believe that one judge scored the fight for Machida then why couldn't all three judges score it for Machida?

Posted By: Billy (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 01:38 PM

 
 
I had it round 1-3 for Machida with 4 a tossup...

Ironically, if Rua's corneer had told him to press the action in the 4th & 5th round... I think Rua might have gotten knocked out. If you become impatient with Machida, you pay on the scorecards or on the mat.


Posted By: mIKE (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 02:40 PM

 
 
Can we please kill the "there's no way Rogan's commentary had anything to do with it, it didn't effect my viewing, or everyone in attendance!"

a) the assumption that every single person in the arena was booing is incorrect.

b) just because YOU or THOSE PEOPLE in the arena weren't swayed, doesn't mean that Rogan's commentary was totally down the middle and not biased at all.

c) Machida won. It's over. Move on.


Posted By: Guest#1107 (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 05:47 PM

 
 
i completely agree with your scoring

Posted By: romano (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 06:33 PM

 
 
I think that the Rogan excuse would be more valid if fighters and Dana White himself didn't say Shogun should have won. And lots of fans in the arena were booing(whether it was 100%, 50% or 10%), so it's not like only people who listened to Rogan think Shogun should have won. Could he have influenced some people's opinion? Absolutely. Can you say he's the reason(or even a big reason) why people think Shogun should have won? No way.

Also, as much as Machida's counter punches are being overlooked, so is the damage of a good leg/body kick. Cecil People's said that leg/body kicks don't finish fights..... tell that to Mike Patt after the Vera fight, or Ibragim Magomedov and Hidehiko Yoshida after the Cro Cop fights. You don't need to get punched in the face to be in pain and want to quit a fight. If Machida was tired at the end of the fight and Rua wasn't, then it means Rua did more damage. Machida has great conditioning, so it's not that. He was tired from Rua working his legs/body.


Posted By: Shawno420 (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 09:17 PM

 
 
Machida Karate forever!

Posted By: Herb Dean (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM

 
 
Finally, a voice of reason on this topic. Thank you.

Posted By: King Durin (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 10:10 PM

 
 
"Yeah Joe Rogan really influenced all the fans in attendance. How many tin foil hats do you have?"

LMAO


Posted By: Guest#5340 (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 10:13 PM

 
 
Who cares? This isn't relevant anymore. Wait until the rematch and then we will know for sure.

Posted By: B (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM

 
 
The commentary was one sided because the fight was one sided, at least in terms of aggression. Shogun was pushing the fight and you gave Machida round 3 because of the flurry but didn't you see the slomo. Machida's punches didn't get through and the only significant punch in the exchange was Shogun's right hand at the end of it which actually rocked Machida.

Posted By: Seth (Guest)  on October 29, 2009 at 11:04 PM

 
 
Dana White and Joe Rogan are playing us like fiddles. They built up Machida, and now they are tearing him down. It makes for a good show and makes for good money.

Posted By: Guest#7143 (Guest)  on October 30, 2009 at 03:35 AM

 
 
Macheeta is a fucking peace of shit McDojo man

Posted By: The Last Emperor (Guest)  on October 30, 2009 at 07:04 AM

 


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