411 MMA Rankings 11.10.09: Pound for Pound
Posted by Jonathan Solomon on 11.10.2009
After week's worth of hype and the fight itself, can Fedor Emelianenko make a push to return as the best pound for pound fighter? Not if GSP and Anderson Silva have anything to say about it. Find out where Penn, Mike Brown, Machida and more rank amongst the elite of the sport.
Welcome back in the wake of watching some of the best in action over the past month. Of the top fighters we saw Fedor Emelianenko, Lyoto Machida and Gegard Mousasi in action and only one actually looked dominant. I'll let you guess who. Fedor left with a reopened nose and more confidence in his right hand while Machida left his fight with busted ribs and intensely sore legs and a few doubts. Meanwhile, Mousasi just opened up a can of Armenian whoop-ass and wants to fight Dan Henderson. Book it Scotto!
WEC returns to Versus (sorry DirecTV) next week and will showcase one of the best fighters in the world, featherweight king Mike Brown. His challenger, Jose Aldo, received some votes this week but could not muster up enough support to make an appearance. This fight will be brutal if you do not enjoy powerful, crisp striking. Jake Shields probably won't be a big fan. It is the man who beat Urijah Faber TWO TIMES against a smaller, quicker, but just as powerful striking Brazilian.
Other top pound for pound fighters in action in the coming weeks include B.J. Penn and Rashad Evans. Minotauro Nogueira may see action as well but that is not official. Now there's a fight you would love to see, but never will...The Prodigy vs. Big Nog.
Two thirds of the kingly triumvirate, Georges St. Pierre and Anderson Silva are still recovering from injuries. Neither will be fighting until well into 2010. Does it really matter? There is not a chance in Australia that Mike Swick or Dan Hardy can best GSP. Same goes for Vitor Belfort and Nate Marquardt against The Spider.
Here's some feedback to last week's light heavyweight rankings.
From AdamS:
Yes..you explained Edgar's placement. And its exactly the logic the BCS uses, which was my comment. Ouch, that hurts. That really hurts.
From DoctorofStyle:
Keith Jardine - GTFO of this list.
Rest is fine... in case of Jardine, it's not what you've done, it's what you've done for me lately... and that's lose, lose, win unimpressively, lose. In his defense, he has fought top competition.
From Craig:
Shogun is a little high rated. I mean, he had a good game plan, but if he was really #2 caliber, it would of led to a unanimous win. I still think Rampage should be 1, Lyoto 2, Shogun 3... How should the champion be ranked below a man who is not actively competing? Shogun went toe to toe with the champion and was a hair away from walking away the man.
From wylun:
if he wanted to, anderson silva could be number one on this list .. too bad machida won
From King Durin:
When you look at Forrest and you see Loss, Loss in the last two fights, you think, "Why is he #6???" Then you look at his last for fights and you see:
Loss vs #5
Loss vs #4
Win vs #3
Win vs #2
And that puts it all back in perspective for you. I hope the Forrest haters decide to look at the facts and after Forrest demolishes Tito they'll come back to their senses. He certainly has the eclectic record as of late.
From ArcHavok:
I wonder where Henderson might slot in on this list. It would be really interesting to see how he matches up with Rashad. Henderson as a light heavyweight may be in the top-ten if had a big win in the division right now. I think he would definitely be a player if he didn't jump back and forth like he does.
From buddha:
i think the next 2 months are gonna be pretty telling for the LHW division. if Nogueira puts on a good performance he should jump forrest and if mousassi dominates Sokoudjou he should jump rashad who has absolutely nothing to gain fighting thiago silva. shogun shouldnt be ranked number 2 after one fight. yea he had a good game plan, and executed well, but looked terrible against coleman, and bottom line he's 2-2 in the UFC. thats not arguable. if rampage wasn't bipolar i would have the list as
1 Lyoto
2 Rampage
3 Shogun
4 Silva
5 Rashad
6 Mousassi It will be tough for Mousasi to shoot up the rankings any more than he already has because the rest of the top 205ers are in the UFC. It's the same problem Jake Shields had as a welterweight.
From A.Coolman:
I'm very much looking forward to Matt Hamill v. Jon "Bones" Jones.
I don't want to see either of them lose. They both seem like good dudes. Certainly but I'll be pulling for Bones. He's one of my favorite fighters, nothing against Hamill. Both are strong wrestlers while Hamill may have more power in his hands.
From Adam:
Thiago Silva is the baddest mother fucka in the land. Not according to Lyoto Machida. Although if Silva beats Rashad Evans, I can't help but laugh.
From Last_Rider:
Interesting list, especially the statistical ties, but no real complaints. Gracias.
Pound for Pound Rankings from Last Year (11/2008)
1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. BJ Penn
5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueria
6. Miguel Torres
7. Lyoto Machida
8. Forrest Griffin
9. Urijah Faber
10. Shogun Rua
Quinton Jackson, Kid Yamamoto, Dan Henderson and Randy Couture were "On The Bubble."
THE CREW
The 411 MMA staff has decided to pull back the curtain and reveal the great 411 Oz. After some consideration, for the the first time in the soon-to-be two-year history of 411 MMA Rankings that you will be able to see which knucklehead put which fighter where.
So here are the nuts and bolts, the breakdown of the rankings from your favorite 411 MMA personalities:
Samer Kadi
1-Anderson Silva
2-GSP
3-Fedor
4-Lyoto Machida
5-BJ Penn
6-Mike Brown
7-Shogun Rua
8-Quinton Jackson
9-Brian Bowles
10-Miguel Torres
11-Urijah Faber
12-Rashad Evans
13-Gegard Mousasi
14-Minotauro Nogueira
15-Dan Henderson
Scott Kuczkowski
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. Mike Brown
5. BJ Penn
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Urijah Faber
10. Jon Fitch
11. Dan Henderson
12. Shogun
13. Shinya Aoki
14. Brian Bowles
15. Kenny Florian
Dan Plunkett
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor
4. BJ Penn
5. Machida
6. Mike Brown
7. Brian Bowles
8. Rampage Jackson
9. Miguel Torres
10. Urijah Faber
11. Shogun
12. Rashad Evans
13. Dan Henderson
14. Jon Fitch
15. Jose Aldo
Jeffrey Harris
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
7. Mike Brown
8. Brian Bowles
9. Gegard Mousasi
10. Dan Henderson
11. Rashad Evans
12. Miguel Torres
13. Urijah Faber
14. Jose Aldo
15. Jon Fitch
Jonathan Solomon
1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Mike Brown
6. BJ Penn
7. Big Nog
8. Gegard Mousasi
9. Miguel Torres
10. Shogun Rua
11. Urijah Faber
12. Rampage Jackson
13. Rashad Evans
14. Dan Henderson
15. Jon Fitch
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* denotes a statistical tie
411's MMA Rankings
Pound For Pound
1) Anderson Silva (25-4)
Height: 6'2
Birthday: April 14, 1975
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Forrest Griffin - Win via KO - UFC 101: Declaration - August 8, 2009
- vs. Thales Leites - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 97: Redemption - April 17, 2009
- vs. Patrick Cote - Win via TKO (injured knee) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. James Irvin - Win via KO (punches) - UFC: Fight Night 14 - July 19, 2008
- vs. Dan Henderson - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 82: Pride of a Champion - March 1, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Injured
2) Georges St. Pierre (19-2)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: May 19, 1981
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Thiago Alves - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. BJ Penn - Win via TKO (corner stoppage) - UFC 94: St Pierre vs. Penn 2 - January 31, 2009
- vs. Jon Fitch - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Matt Serra - Win via TKO (knees to body) - UFC 83: Serra vs. St. Pierre II - April 19, 2008
- vs. Matt Hughes - Win via verbal submission (arm bar) - UFC 79: Nemesis - December 29, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: You can expect to see GSP back inside the octagon around March. Who will he be fighting? We'll find out over the weekend between Mike Swick and Dan Hardy.
3) Fedor Emelianenko (30-1)
Height: 6'0
Currently fighting with: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Brett Rogers - Win via KO (punch) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Win via KO (punch) - Affliction: Day Of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Tim Sylvia - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Affliction: Banned - July 19, 2008
- vs. Hong Man Choi - Win via submission (arm bar) - Yarennoka - New Year's Eve 2007 - December 31, 2007
- vs. Matt Lindland - Win via submission (arm bar) - BodogFight: Clash of the Nations - April 14, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Silva and GSP are too strong for Fedor to move up in the rankings, despite a great showing over the weekend. Fedor may fight Fabricio Werdum next but first, he has to recover from a broken nose and a damaged hand.
4*) Lyoto Machida (16-0)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: May 3, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Shogun Rua - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun - October 24, 2009
- vs. Rashad Evans - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Thiago Silva - Win via KO (punches) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 - January 31, 2009
- vs. Tito Ortiz - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
- vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou - Win via submission (arm triangle choke) - UFC 79: Nemesis - December 29, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
4*) B.J. Penn (14-5-1)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: December 13, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Kenny Florian - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 101: Declaration - August 8, 2009
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via TKO (corner stoppage) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 - January 31, 2009
- vs. Sean Sherk - Win via TKO (knees and punches) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
- vs. Joe Stevenson - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 80: Rapid Fire - January 19, 2008
- vs. Jens Pulver - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Ultimate Fighter 5 Finale - June 6, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Diego Sanchez - UFC 107 - December 12, 2009
6) Mike Brown (22-4)
Height: 5'6"
Currently Fighting With: WEC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Urijah Faber - Win via decision (unanimous) - WEC 41: Brown vs. Faber 2 - June 7, 2009
- vs. Leonard Garcia - Win by submission (arm & triangle choke) - WEC 39 - March 1, 2009
- vs. Urijah Faber - Win by TKO (punches) - WEC 36 - November 5, 2008
- vs. Jeff Curran - Win by decision (unanimous) - WEC 34 - June 1, 2008
- vs. Manny Reyes Jr. - Win by submission (rear naked choke) - Premier Xtreme Fighting - December 8, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Jose Aldo - WEC 44 - November 18, 2009
Comment: Brown returns to make his third title defense next Wednesday against a very formidable foe.
7) Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-4)
Birthday: November 25, 1981
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Lyoto Machida - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 104: Dragon vs. Shogun - October 24, 2009
- vs. Chuck Liddell - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 97: Redemption - April 18, 2009
- vs. Mark Coleman - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 93: Franklin vs. Henderson - January 17, 2009
- vs. Forrest Griffin - Loss via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 76: Knockout - September 22, 2007
- vs. Alistair Overeem - Win via KO (strikes) - PRIDE 33: Second Coming - February 24, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Shogun is back as a PFP ranked fighter after his performance at UFC 104.
8) Brian Bowles (8-0)
Height: 5'7
Birthday: June 22, 1980
Currently Fighting With: WEC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Miguel Torres - Win via KO - WEC 42 - August 9, 2009
- vs. Will Ribeiro - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 37 - December 3, 2008
- vs. Damacio Page - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 35 - August 3, 2008
- vs. Marcos Galvao - Win via KO - WEC 31 - December 12, 2007
- vs. Charlie Valencia - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - WEC 28 - June 3, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
9) Urijah Faber (22-3)
Height: 5'6
Birthday: May 14, 1979
Currently Fighting With: WEC
Last 5 Fights:
- vs. Mike Brown - Loss via decision (unanimous) - WEC 41: Brown vs. Faber 2 - June 7, 2009
- vs. Jens Pulver - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 38: Varner vs. Cerrone - January 25, 2009
- vs. Mike Brown - Loss via TKO (punches) - WEC 36: Faber vs. Brown - November 5, 2008
- vs. Jens Pulver - Win via decision (unanimous) - WEC 34: Sacramento - June 1, 2008
- vs. Jeff Curran - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 31 - Faber vs. Curran - December 12, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Raphael Assuncao - WEC 46 - January 10, 2010
10) Gegard Mousasi (30-2-1)
Height: 6'0
Currently Fighting With: DREAM and Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Sokoudjou - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Babalu Sobral - Win via KO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg - August 15, 2009
- vs. Mark Hunt - Win via submission (kimura) - DREAM 9: Featherweight Grand Prix 2009 Second Round - May 26, 2009
- vs. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza - Win via KO (upkick) - DREAM 6: Middleweight Grand Prix 2008 - September 23, 2008
- vs. Melvin Manhoef - Win via submission (triangle choke) - DREAM 6: Middleweight Grand Prix 2008 - September 23, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
11) Miguel Torres (36-2)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: January 18, 1981
Currently Fighting With: WEC
Last 5 Fights:
- vs. Brian Bowles - Loss via KO - WEC 42: Torres vs. Bowles - August 9, 2009
- vs. Takeya Mizugaki - Win via decision (unanimous) - WEC 40: Torres vs. Mizugaki - April 5, 2009
- vs. Manny Tapia - Win via TKO (punches and elbows) - WEC 37: Torres vs. Tapia - December 3, 2008
- vs. Yoshiro Maeda - Win via TKO (doctor stoppage) - WEC 34: Sacramento - June 1, 2008
- vs. Chase Beebe - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 32: Albuquerque - February 13, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
12*) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-5-1)
Height: 6'3
Weight: 231
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Randy Couture - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 102: Couture vs. Nogueira - August 29, 2009
- vs. Frank Mir - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Tim Sylvia - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - UFC 81: Breaking Point - February 2, 2008
- vs. Heath Herring - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 73: Stacked - July 7th, 2007
- vs. Josh Barnett - Win via decision (unanimous) - PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 - December 31, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Rumors are flying about Big Nog possibly fighting at UFC 108 in January against Cain Velasquez.
13) Quinton Jackson (30-7)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: June 20, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Keith Jardine - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine - March 7, 2009
- vs. Wanderlei Silva - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Forrest Griffin - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin - July 5, 2008
- vs. Dan Henderson - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 75: Champion vs. Champion - September 8, 2007
- vs. Chuck Liddell - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 71: Liddell vs. Jackson - May 26, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Retired
14) Dan Henderson (25-7)
Height: 6'1
Currently Fighting With: Free Agent
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Michael Bisping - Win via KTFO (punch of doom) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Rich Franklin - Win via decision (split) - UFC 93: Franklin vs. Henderson - January 17, 2009
- vs. Rousimar Palhares - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 88: Breakthrough - September 6, 2008
- vs. Anderson Silva - Loss via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 82: Pride of a Champion - March 1, 2008
- vs. Quinton Jackson - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 75: Champion vs. Champion - September 8, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
15) Rashad Evans (13-1-1)
Height: 5'11
Birthday: September 25, 1979
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Lyoto Machida - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Forrest Griffin - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Chuck Liddell - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 88: Breakthrough - September 6, 2008
- vs. Michael Bisping - Win via decision (split) - UFC 78: Validation - November 17, 2007
- vs. Tito Ortiz - Draw - UFC 73: Stacked - July 7, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Thiago Siva - UFC 108 - January 2, 2010
Closing Comments: Others receiving votes include Jon Fitch, Shinya Aoki, Jose Aldo and Kenny Florian.
Really?!? How anyone can say 25-4 (86%) > 19-2 (90%) > 31-1-1 (94%) is BEYOND ME!
Fedor hasn't been to a decision since 2005 while the other two grind out wins and don't even try to finish.
Fedor's KO of Arlovski > Silva's KO of Forrest.
I just don't understand what you people are looking for in order for Fedor... the single greatest fighter in the history of the sport... to be back on top of the P4P list. I mean... COME ON!
Posted By: BrandoCommando (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 12:22 AM
I find any rankings that do not go 1. Fedor, 2. GSP, 3. Silva to be a tad ridiculous.
By his own admission, GSP is not better than Fedor. Silva's been amazing, but against far weaker competition than GSP. Outside of Hendo, I don't believe anyone he's beaten at Middleweight was really something special. Yeah, GSP has the Serra loss, but every single one of those 4 losses Silva has just "Um, why did you lose to that guy?"
Posted By: WilliamMorgan (Registered) on November 10, 2009 at 12:35 AM
just don't understand what you people are looking for in order for Fedor... the single greatest fighter in the history of the sport... to be back on top of the P4P list. I mean... COME ON!
Posted By: BrandoCommando (Guest)
He's gotta fight in the UFC, not the minor leagues. Real or not the perception is Fedor fights lesser opponents. Ya I know he's beaten a bunch of former UFC champions but those guys are on the downside of their careers.
Posted By: Guest#4114 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 01:13 AM
Really?!? How anyone can say 25-4 (86%) > 19-2 (90%) > 31-1-1 (94%) is BEYOND ME!
Fedor hasn't been to a decision since 2005 while the other two grind out wins and don't even try to finish.
Fedor's KO of Arlovski > Silva's KO of Forrest.
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Record is not as important to me when your fighting fighters like Zulu, hong man choi, old mark coleman. Going by record alone doesn't prove anything, u have to look at the quality of fighters.
-Do you understand Anderson silva has Excelled in 3 weight divisions?
Theres no way that Fedor's KO of arlovski was better then silva's KO of forrest.
1.) Anderson dominated that WHOLE fight
2.)Anderson MADE Forrest look like he just started fighting a couple months before.
3.)Fedor was losing that round and happened to catch arvloski. If arvloski wouldn't of thrown a stupid flying knee, and stuck with the game plan. He had a pretty good chance of winning
Posted By: Guest#7303 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 01:13 AM
Despite all the hullabaloo(what a stupid word, but I couldn't think of another for it) of getting Fedor into the UFC, I think aside from Brock, his toughest tests are outside of it.
Alistair Overeem is probably the scariest fight for Fedor. The guy's a beast standing and on the ground he isn't totally lost that Fedor would be able to control him so easily. He could KO Fedor, especially if his cardio problems are solved.
Fabricio Wedrum, questionable standup aside(though it is showing some improvement) has better ground skill than most, if not all, of the UFC HWs.
Mir, Gonzaga, JDS would all be decent tests for Fedor I suppose, but they have the benefit of the UFC hype machine making them look better than they really are.
Posted By: Guest#9142 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 01:43 AM
Record is not as important to me when your fighting fighters like Zulu, hong man choi, old mark coleman. Going by record alone doesn't prove anything, u have to look at the quality of fighters.
-Do you understand Anderson silva has Excelled in 3 weight divisions?
Theres no way that Fedor's KO of arlovski was better then silva's KO of forrest.
1.) Anderson dominated that WHOLE fight
2.)Anderson MADE Forrest look like he just started fighting a couple months before.
3.)Fedor was losing that round and happened to catch arvloski. If arvloski wouldn't of thrown a stupid flying knee, and stuck with the game plan. He had a pretty good chance of winning
Posted By: Guest#7303 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 01:13 AM
Travis Lutter almost finished Anderson Silva. Travis no gas tank Lutter. He got submitted by Ryo Chonnen in embarassing fashion. Fedor would killl Anderson. He couldnt finish Cote or Leites. He beat Forrest whoope do dude so did Jardine but Silva did it by backpedaling who cares.
Posted By: Scottyieoittie (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 01:55 AM
I'm just gonna question the Hendo love
The guy is 39 years old gimme a break... wow he won a split decision over Franklin and KO'ed an overrated Bisping.
Posted By: Ian (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 02:21 AM
sorry to say but a P4P top 10 with out nick diaz, is not valid in my books
Posted By: Guest#1634 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 02:29 AM
I know the Fedor lovers are not happy here, but he's good where he is until he starts getting some better competition. All his best wins are now 3 years old or more.
If anyone should be higher, arguably...it'd be a BJ Penn, whose win column is filled with big competition.
Or perhaps a Lyoto Machida, whose win column is also filled with big competition. I doubt that one would work though, at the moment, as too many people are overly sore about a close result that they're pretending wasn't.
Fedor wont rise higher until he faces some game competition, instead of ko'ing guys like Rogers a year before they should be fighting him.
Posted By: AdamS (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 03:11 AM
2. Again, so what? It was Forrest. He beat a crippled Rua and his "win" over Rampage is still debated. Yes, he gave Rampage problems, but Rampage has never learned to defend against Muay Thai. If you clinch or start regularly leg kicking him, he gets all confused.
3. Yeah, it really looked that way. Those exchangnes were then released online in slow motion (http://www.mmaforum.com/affliction/50824-arlovski-vs-fedor-slow-motio n-pics.html) and guess what? Arlovski was missing! Let me repeat that, it had to be shown in slow motion for people to realize just what Fedor was doing.
Anderson Silva fought people with little talent at Light Heavyweight and few people with talent at Middleweight and Welterweight. GSP and Silva individually have been finished more times than Fedor's even been stunned in a fight despite having more wins in the sport than either of them have even fought. No one ever talked about Silva in P4P until Dana and the UFC Hype Machine stepped in.
Hell, Frank Mir wasn't even ranked in his division until he defeated a 1-0 fighter and a crippled Nogueira (staph infection + meniscus) because the UFC Hype Machine pretended he was amazing for it to get that PPV money.
Posted By: WilliamMorgan (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 03:27 AM
BJ Penn should be #4 over Machida and why is Shogun at @7 is it cause he went to a decision with Machida?
Posted By: Guest#3025 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 03:39 AM
Posted By: El_pollo_loco (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 04:29 AM
Spot on with Silva on top. Easily the best P4P fighter in the world and has been for ages now. Hopefully people stop moaning about the hype machine Fedor, who outside of Rogers, hasn't beaten anyone of greatness in years.
I'm SHOCKED that Rashad Evans is in 15th. Honestly? The guy lost ONE fight and that was to one of the best LHW's in years in Machida. Rashad should be top ten and I don't get the logic of some of the people who are above him.
Posted By: SummerTwilight7 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 05:57 AM
Hopefully FEMA can save 411mania from the flood of tears this column brought/will bring forth from Fedor nuthuggers.
Posted By: A. Coolman (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 06:07 AM
Pretty good list overall.
Anyone who is whining about ranking the top 3 is just a nitpicker,I mean they are so close,and so far ahead of their competition that you can rank them anyhow you want.
Personally I have Fedor as no.1,because Anderson will always keep the fight standing,GSP will always look for a takedown,but Fedor will fight wherever his opponent wants to fight,and beat them at their own game.
Silva kept the fight standing against Leites. Thats smart tactics.
GSP took down Alves. Thats smart tactics.
Fedor outstruck CroCop and fought on the ground against Nog. Thats just....being Fedor
Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 06:26 AM
This list is a peace of shit just like Macheatah. He should be nowhere near the top. The guys a backpaddling joke. Fedor should be at the top while he carries on winning. GSP second and Silva third. Shogun should be higher. I wish you guys would get off the ufc's and dana's nuts. You are loosing all credebility to your site.
Posted By: The Last Emperor (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 06:49 AM
"This fight will be brutal if you do not enjoy powerful, crisp striking. Jake Shields probably won't be a big fan."
Hahahahahahaha. Well done
Posted By: GeeSpotter (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 07:01 AM
Do you guys not get the concept of 'pound for pound'.
The reason Silva is higher as well as GSP is that they have beaten and /or dominated other significant fighters from different weight classes. (Especially Silva).
Pound for Pound my friends.... its in the title.
Posted By: dralla (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 07:12 AM
Travis Lutter almost finished Anderson Silva. Travis no gas tank Lutter. He got submitted by Ryo Chonnen in embarassing fashion. Fedor would killl Anderson. He couldnt finish Cote or Leites. He beat Forrest whoope do dude so did Jardine but Silva did it by backpedaling who cares.
Posted By: Scottyieoittie (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 01:55 AM
Are you freaking kidding me; you think lucky punch Fedor would destroy Silva?!?!? I am gonna laugh about that for a week. Anderson could take Fedor; a motivated Anderson could pretty much take anyone under 240 pounds. His striking is second to none; Fedor throws one looping punch, with zero technique and catches guys. Anderson, while dodging his opponents punches lands power shots that most guys cant land in the gym on a bag. Anderson is a black belt BJJ too. And don’t act like you weren’t shaking in your booties when Rodgers was punching Fedors face in at the end of round one. Fedor is a great fighter; no he is once in life time guy, Anderson, he is superman. You don’t mess with superman.
Posted By: Blake (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 09:46 AM
Hey, I want to ask a serious question and not fan boy it up. How much does size differential matter in your ranking scheme. I have always thought of pound for pound ranking as an equalizer of skill against different body types/physical advantages. I would think that a fighter who consistently beats much larger opponents would have a higher ranking than those who don't. This basically applies to heavyweights, the weight class with the largest disparities by far. A fighter beating an opponent with a 30 or 40 pound weight advantage should rank higher on these lists because they obviously have a very high class skill set. The two examples on this list are Nog and Fedor, I am fine with Fedor's ranking but shouldn't Nog be a lot higher?
Or is the ranking scheme here not trying to be a weight/size equalizer, which wouldn't really be a P4P list. Thanks.
Posted By: TommyBoy (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 09:52 AM
THE promotion is UFC. Fedor doesn't/hasn't fought in the UFC, therefore he doesn't/shouldn't get enough credit. And just like boxing, the heavyweight division isn't has exciting or polished as the other weight classes. The biggest fight for Fedor is Lesnar and it will never happen. Fedor is the best HW, but can't be the best PFP if he's the only Top 10 HW on the PFP list.
Posted By: Hip Hop Jorge (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Despite all the hullabaloo(what a stupid word, but I couldn't think of another for it) of getting Fedor into the UFC, I think aside from Brock, his toughest tests are outside of it.
Alistair Overeem is probably the scariest fight for Fedor. The guy's a beast standing and on the ground he isn't totally lost that Fedor would be able to control him so easily. He could KO Fedor, especially if his cardio problems are solved.
Fabricio Wedrum, questionable standup aside(though it is showing some improvement) has better ground skill than most, if not all, of the UFC HWs.
Posted By: Guest#9142 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 01:43 AM
Werdum would be an easy win for Fedor, IMO.
Overeem & Barnett are the two interesting fights for Fedor. Barnett I would still have ranked in the top 5, for instance. While the Lesnar fight would be interesting, I'd imagine those two have as much chance at beating Fedor as anyone.
Pity both fights will likely need to take place in Japan, but what can you do?
And yeah, I have Fedor at #1, & Silva at #2. It's all subjective though, and they're very close.
Posted By: Vordeo (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM
I am going to copy the trend of Brock nuthuggers who compare the Greatest Fighter on the Planet (Fedor) to him everytime his name comes up.
Who would win?
The Undertaker or Anderson Silva
Triple H or Frank Mir
Kurt Angle or Randy Couture
Chyna or Cyborg
Vinnie Mac or Dana White
Tazz or Joe Rogan
Now, as silly as these are-so is saying Brock can beat Fedor.
Posted By: WWEManiac (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM
wow the Fedor marks are out in force today. There is no doubt that Fedor is the greatest of all time however the days of being the best P4P are over and done with.
Silva is by far the best P4P although I would rank Fedor second ahead of GSP by a fairly wide margin. I understand why you guys are freaking out because up until a few months ago I would have supported your argument but the sad fact is that Fedor is starting the down turn.
Anyone who watched his fight with Rogers knows this and if you don't you are fooling yourself. Fedor could barely handle Rogers power and only beat him because he was able to notice a 'tell' in Rogers striking. Anderson would have finished Rogers in the first and I fully believe that Anderson would beat Fedor as well.
We have yet to see Anderson try in a match. He was fooling around vs Leites and Cote, so to say that he couldn't finish them is ridiculous. To claim that Fedor catcing Arlovski is superior to Anderson toying with Griffin like a cat with a ball of string is equally ridiculous.
The fact is that Anderson (like Fedor in his prime) is on a level normal people can't even comprehend. He masters his opponents timing in less than a minute and once he has it the fight is over. Fedor does something similar but lacks Andersons raw athleticism. If they fought tomorrow Anderson would be taking it very seriously and actually come to fight. We would see his true ability and he knock Fedor out long before Fedor could take him down.
Posted By: stronelis (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM
"He got submitted by Ryo Chonnen in embarassing fashion."
Welcome to five years ago. Some fighters actually improve, believe it or not.
"If anyone should be higher, arguably...it'd be a BJ Penn, whose win column is filled with big competition."
He's tied with Machida. Would you really place him above Fedor (who definitely belongs in the top 3), Anderson Silva, who holds victories against equally impressive competition, if not more, and has actually dominated far longer, and unlike BJ, was really successful when he moved up? Yeah I know BJ's frame isn't built for WW but still.
Or do you wanna put him over GSP, who's beaten him twice and one of them in embarassing fashion? Not to mention the fact that St. Pierre holds victories over even more impressive competition.
Posted By: Samer Kadi (Registered) on November 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Fedor - Seven fights in 5 years. 5 fucking years!! Ya this guys the best.
Posted By: Guest#3080 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Any of the top three are interchangeable. Their respective nuthuggers will tell you that the competition their fighter has fought as of late is sooo much better, but taking a closer look, their level of comp is similar.
Anderson's best wins in his last several fights are Griffin and Henderson. The rest of them are middle of the road MWs or in Irvin's case, a lower tier LHW.
GSP's best wins in his last few are Penn, Fitch and Alves. If you're going by strength of comp alone, you could make the best arguement of having him #1 - however, he doesn't finish his fights as decisively as Fedor or Anderson do.
Fedor's last few good wins consist of Rogers, Arlovski and Sylvia. Despite what many think, Arlovski is still a great fighter - his chin is a liability though, and a big one. Sylvia has alwasy been a little overrated but still counts as a quality win, in my opinion, as does Rogers.
Now, comparing them - does any one of them look THAT much better in their recent resumes? The top three can be shuffled around as necessary.
Posted By: same guy that used hullabaloo (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 12:52 PM
ya top 3 i would have a tie those guys are just awesome.
Posted By: Guest#8118 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 03:06 PM
"If anyone should be higher, arguably...it'd be a BJ Penn, whose win column is filled with big competition."
I actually meant to type GSP here, but for some damn reason Penn popped out. No clue why.
Posted By: AdamS (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 03:31 PM
I'm just gonna question the Hendo love
The guy is 39 years old gimme a break... wow he won a split decision over Franklin and KO'ed an overrated Bisping.
Posted By: Ian (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 02:21 AM
yea good point. Its not like he smashed Wandy, Vitor, misaki, Gono, Chonnen, Big nog, gave the best performance against Silva, and held 2 titles at the same time in different weight classes.
Posted By: good point (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 04:10 PM
How you guys gonna say Anderson is the best when Lutter manhandled him. Intill he gassed and got caught. Henderson almost did the same thing but thru the punch as Anderson was throwing the knee/kick.
Posted By: Scottyieoittie (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 04:18 PM
return as the best pound for pound fighter?
????????????????????????
LOL
Why does he have to return when he never left in the first place?????
Posted By: RedVexx (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 05:24 PM
LMAO @ stronelis
Anderson has already said Fedor would smash him.
Posted By: DaTruth (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 05:29 PM
Your really think Fedor is lucky? LOL
31 - 1 he must be very lucky. He must be the luckiest fighter ever.
LMAO
Posted By: LOL @ Blake (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 05:58 PM
Gegard Mousasi is the most overrated fighter in MMA right now. He shouldn't even be in the top 20 pound for pound.
Posted By: KSti (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 06:53 PM
People don't seem to realize that Anderson walks around at roughly 220. Now think about that for a second. Fedor is a chubby 230 with jeans and belt buckle and shorter than Anderson. hmmmmmmmmmmm yet Anderson is the p4p best? I don't think so.
Posted By: Combat Fan (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 08:11 PM
Four of the UFC's World Champions are in the top 5 of the rankings. Including the guy who, by most accounts, got beat in his last match.
The fifth? Not one Goddamn mention, when there's *ANOTHER GUY FROM HIS DIVISION* in the list.
Simply ridiculous.
Posted By: Ryan (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 11:20 PM
damn what's with people bashing frank mir the guy is a former ufc heavyweight champion he was damn good before he got in that motorcycle accident hell maybe u guys would know that it u didn't just start watching mma when it got cool he broke tim silvia's arm and pulled of one of the sickess submission on pete williams i think it was the guy was the next big thing before he got hurt and now u all talk shit like u know what ur talking about o brock this and anderson silvia that get off the ufc nuts and go do your homework u tools fedor has beat a shit load of people in pride when they where in there prime brock has only 5 fights and he is 4 and 1 let u jackoffs tell it hes da best in da world he went 1 and 1 and got a fuckin title fight there's guys who have tons more wins and fights and dont get jack shit and this guy got a title fight against a man he had 50 pounds on and still barely won real fan don't belive the hype they watch what they can any way they can and make decision off that
Posted By: Guest#3904 (Guest) on November 11, 2009 at 01:51 AM
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