411 MMA Rankings 11.24.09: Welterweight Division
Posted by Jonathan Solomon on 11.24.2009
It’s the brand new 411 MMA welterweight rankings! Find out where GSP's next challenger Dan Hardy ranks after beating Mike Swick. Josh Koscheck made easy work of Anthony Johnson, now can he move into the top three? Karo Parisyan dropped out of UFC 106, does he do the same with the rankings? Check out the full rankings to see where your favorite welterweights are ranked!
Welcome to the 411mania MMA Rankings and this week we shine the spotlight on the best welterweights in the world. We now know the man to challenge Georges St. Pierre next will be Dan Hardy. Canada fighting back at Britain? You betcha! The fight to take place in 2010 poses interesting questions. Hardy won't be as big an underdog as Matt Serra was, but he does have a punchers chance. He may have some jiu-jitsu skills but Hardy is nowhere near the skilled ground fighter that Serra was. What does that spell? Another destruction courtesy of the hands of Georges St. Pierre.
Elsewhere in the division, the momentum train behind Anthony Johnson came to a screeching halt over the weekend thanks to Josh Koscheck. Koscheck brought his wrestling back into the equation and when he mixes his dominant wrestling and solid striking together, he is tough to stop. The question now is, can he leap over Thiago Alves into the top three?
Karo Parisyan clocked in at #15 the last time we calculated the welterweight rankings (in September, I believe). SInce then, he pulled out of his scheduled UFC 106 bout with Dustin Hazelett and apparently has serious issues in his personal life. It does not look like he will be fighting in the UFC again anytime soon. His drop in the rankings may make room for a fresh name. Who is it? Can Matt Serra return? How about Mike PIerce or even Ben Saunders?
To the feedback from last week's MIDDLEWEIGHT RANKINGS
From Scottyieoittie:
Great ranking's. But I gotta debate I still think if Lutter would of came into better shape when he had Silva mounted he could of tko'ed him easily. We'll never know, but it's possible. I doubt Lutter could have TKO'd him to win so easily but if his weight cut went smooth and he had power/endurance, perhaps he does put Silva away. Too bad he messed up. Thanks for the compliment.
From wylun:
lol okami lost to okami lol, its all good!!!! Yeah, thanks for noticing. That damn Okami best not beat himself next time, that's for sure.
From saebarnet:
Jake Shields? Really? He's beaten Robbie Lawler who's biggest weakness is submissions (He's lost 3/5 by sub) and Mayhem Miller who's last relevant win was against Lawler in 2006 (And it was by sub ofc) and Miller is nowhere close to a top 15 fighter. Why do you hate Mayhem? Shields if that high because he wins fights. His last four fights (within 16 months) have each been against VERY GOOD competition and the only time he was in danger was the brief moments Miller had him in the choke at the end of round 3. Other than that, Shields dominated Nick Thompson, Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler and Jason Miller. I'd say that's cause for his placement.
From Ramsey:
Shields has been on a roll AND just became MW champ...and why would he NOT be in the top 5? Shields hate is as biased as Brock hate.
Love the pic of Silva...just has the look of "c'mon bitch, punch me, I will destroy you". I wouldn't say the hate towards Shields is the same as that toward Brock, but he does get a lot of hate for his style. As for the Silva pic, I share your feelings. Silva studies his opponent's reach and knows how far they can throw without hitting him in the face. The man is legend.
From MJH:
I was going to bash Shields in the top 5 as well as I thought he looked weak against Mayhem and I hate how he always calls out Frank Shamrock which is not something a top 5 guy should do. But then I realized his two wins before Miller were against Lawler and Daley, who looked awesome in his UFC debut. I missed the Daley fight, did Shields dominate?
Is Shields a better fighter than Sonnen? I think Sonnen would dominate him with strength and better wrestling personally. Shields dominated Daley so much as he took him down and submitted him. Shields' weakness is his stand-up, it's no surprise. A fight between Shields and Sonnen would be a great wrestling war and I'd probably agree Chael would be the favorite in such a fight.
From a Tomasz Drwal fan:
Mamed at 14? Santiago at 13? So Mamed kills Santiago in just a minute, and is undefeated in his last 18 fights and yet Santiago is ranked higher? Are you out of your mind??? And having Shields confirms the fact that yes you people are indeed out of your minds!!!! I looked at the specific rankings just now and this is aimed at Kadi,Kuczkowski,Harris. Those 3 apperantly know nothing about the sport of mma and should be removed from the panel if 411 wants any mma credibility. We get this a lot when such an upset occurs. Khalidov was never ranked prior to this win. Jorge Santiago was a top ten fighter. So Santiago dropped and Khalidov was finally ranked. It just so happens that Khalidov was not higher than Santiago. Thanks for the support.
From AdamS:
Poor Marquardt. He is getting screwed in the whole Hendo deal. Best bet for him now is probably a #1 contender's match with Akiyama, who is the only guy I can see getting into that match just yet sicne he has wisn voer two guys currently in the division (Belcher, and the older one against Kang) How does Hendo not signing hurt Marquardt. Either way, he fights a good wrestler (Sonnen instead of Henderson) and is one step away from a title shot. Now only if Anderson Silva agrees to fight Nate should both win their next fights.
November 2008 Welterweight Rankings:
1. (KING) Georges St. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Jake Shields
5. Josh Koscheck
6. Carlos Condit
7. Diego Sanchez
8. Matt Hughes
9. Karo Parisyan
10. Matt Serra
Yoshiyuki Yoshida, Mike Swick, Brock Larson and Marcus Davis were "On The Bubble."
THE CREW
The 411 MMA staff have decided to pull back the curtain to reveal Oz himself. So get out those pitchforks and light 'em if you got 'em.
So here are the nuts and bolts, the breakdown of the rankings from your favorite 411 MMA personalities:
Dan Plunkett
1. GSP
2. Fitch
3. Alves
4. Koscheck
5. Hardy
6. Zaromskis
7. Matt Hughes
8. Paulo Thiago
9. Swick
10. Paul Daley
11. Kampmann
12. Condit
13. Nick Diaz
14. Dan Hornbuckle
15. Jay Hieron
Larry Csonka
1. GSP
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Marius Zaromskis
6. Dan Hardy
7. Paulo Thiago
8. Paul Dayley
9. Mike Swick
10. Martin Kampmann
11. Carlos Condit
12. Nick Diaz
13. Matt Hughes
14. Jay Hieron
15. Dan Hornbuckle
Scott Kuczkowski
1. GSP
2. Fitch
3. Alves
4. Koscheck
5. Marius Zaromskis
6. Hughes
7. Paul Daley
8. Paulo Thiago
9. Nick Diaz
10. Dan Hardy
11. Kampmann
12. Condit
13. Swick
14. Jay Hieron
15. Ben Saunders
Daniel Bonnizzio
1) Georges St-Pierre
2) Jon Fitch
3) Thiago Alves
4) Josh Koscheck
5) Nick Diaz
6) Dan Hardy
7) Carlos Condit
8) Paul Daley
9) Marius Zaromskis
10) Martin Kampmann
11) Mike Swick
12) Matt Hughes
13) Jay Hieron
14) Dan Hornbuckle
15) Kim Dong-hyun
Jonathan Solomon
1. GSP
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Dan Hardy
6. Carlos Condit
7. Jay Hieron
8. Marius Zaromskis
9. Paul Daley
10. Martin Kampmann
11. Mike Swick
12. Dustin Hazelett
13. Nick Diaz
14. Dong Hyun Kim
15. Dan Hornbuckle
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411's Official MMA Rankings
Welterweight Division
1) Georges St. Pierre (19-2)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: May 19, 1981
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Thiago Alves - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. BJ Penn - Win via TKO (corner stoppage) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn II - January 31, 2009
- vs. Jon Fitch - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Matt Serra - Win via TKO (knees to body) - UFC 83: Serra vs. St. Pierre II - April 19, 2008
- vs. Matt Hughes - Win via verbal submission (arm bar) - UFC 79: Nemesis - December 29, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Dan Hardy - UFC - 2010
2) Jon Fitch (19-3)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: February 24, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Paulo Thiago - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Akihiro Gono - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn II - January 31, 2009
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Chris Wilson - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 82: Pride Of A Champion - March 1, 2008
- vs. Diego Sanchez - Win via decision (split) - UFC 76: Knockout - September 22, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Mike Pierce - UFC 107 - December 12, 2009
3) Thiago Alves (16-4)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: October 3, 1983
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Josh Koscheck - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. Matt Hughes - Win via TKO (knee and punches) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
- vs. Karo Parisyan - Win via TKO (knee and punches) - UFC: Fight Night 13 - April 2, 2008
- vs. Chris Lytle - Win via TKO (doctor stoppage due to cut) - UFC 78: Validation - November 17, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Injured (PCL tear)
4) Josh Koscheck (14-4)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: November 30, 1977
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Anthony Johnson - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 106 - November 21, 2009
- vs. Frank Trigg - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 103: Belfort vs. Franklin - September 19, 2009
- vs. Paulo Thiago - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 21, 2009
- vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida - Win via KO (punch) - UFC: Fight For The Troops - December 10, 2008
- vs. Thiago Alves - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
5) Dan Hardy (23-6)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: May 17, 1982
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Mike Swick - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 105 - November 14, 2009
- vs. Marcus Davis - Win via decision (split) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Rory Markham - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 21, 2009
- vs. Akihiro Gono - Win via decision (split) - UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben - October 18, 2008
- vs. Daniel Weichel - Win via TKO (elbows) - UF: Punishment - May 3, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - UFC - 2010
6) Marius Zaromskis (12-2)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: July 30, 1982
Currently Fighting With: DREAM
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Ho Bae Myeon - Win via KO (head kick) - DREAM 12: The White Cage - October 25, 2009
- vs. Jason High - Win via KO (head kick) - DREAM 10: Welterweight Grand Prix 2009 Final Round - July 20, 2009
- vs. Hayato Sakurai - Win via TKO (punches) - DREAM 10: Welterweight Grand Prix 2009 Final Round - July 20, 2009
- vs. Seichi Ikemoto - Win via decision (unanimous) - DREAM 8: Welterweight Grand Prix 2009 Opening Round - April 5, 2009
- vs. Jedrzej Kubski - Win via TKO (strikes) - Bushido Lithuania - Hero's 2008 - November 8, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
7) Paul Daley (22-8-2)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: February 21, 1983
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Martin Kampmann - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 103: Belfort vs. Franklin - September 19, 2009
- vs. Junior Barata - Win via TKO (strikes) - WFC 9: D-Day - April 18, 2009
- vs. Aurelijus Kerpe - Win via KO (knee) - Ultimate Gladiators - March 29, 2009
- vs. Nick Thompson - Loss via decision (unanimous) - MFC 20: Destined for Greatness - February 20, 2009
- vs. John Alessio - Win via TKO (strikes) - MFC 19: Long Time Coming - December 5, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Carlos Condit - UFC 108 - January 2, 2010
8) Mike Swick (14-3)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: June 19, 1979
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Dan Hardy - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 105 - November 14, 2009
- vs. Ben Saunders - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Jonathan Goulet - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC: Fight For The Troops - December 10, 2008
- vs. Marcus Davis - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
- vs. Josh Burkman - Win via decision (majority) - UFC: Fight Night 12 - January 23, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
9) Carlos Condit (24-5)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: April 26, 1984
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Jake Ellenberger - Win via decision (split) - UFC Fight Night 19 - September 16, 2009
- vs. Martin Kampmann - Loss via decision (split) - UFC Fight Night: Condit vs. Kampmann - April 1, 2009
- vs. Hiromitsu Miura - Win via TKO (punches) - WEC 35 - August 3, 2008
- vs. Carlo Prater - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 32: Albuquerque - February 13, 2008
- vs. Brock Larson - Win via submission (armbar) - WEC 29 - August 5, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Paul Daley - UFC 108 - January 2, 2010
10) Martin Kampmann (15-3)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: April 17, 1982
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Paul Daley - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 103: Belfort vs. Franklin - September 19, 2009
- vs. Carlos Condit - Win via decision (split) - UFC Fight Night: Condit vs. Kampmann - April 1, 2009
- vs. Alexandre Barros - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 93: Franklin vs. Henderson - January 17, 2009
- vs. Nate Marquardt - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 88: Breakthrough - September 6, 2008
- vs. Jorge Rivera - Win via submission (guillotine) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Rory Markham - UFC 108 - January 2, 2010
11) Paulo Thiago (12-1)
Height: 5'11
Birthday: Unknown
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Jacob Volkman - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 106 - November 21, 2009
- vs. Jon Fitch - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Josh Koscheck - Win via KO (uppercut) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 21, 2009
- vs. Luiz Dutra Jr. - Win via TKO (injury) - Jungle Fight 11 - September 13, 2008
- vs. Ferrid Kheder - Win via decision (split) - Jungle Fight 10 - July 12, 2009
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
12) Matt Hughes (43-7)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: October 13, 1973
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Matt Serra - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Thiago Alves - Loss via TKO (knee and punches) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via verbal submission (arm bar) - UFC 79: Nemesis - December 29, 2007
- vs. Chris Lytle - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 68: Uprising - March 3, 2007
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via TKO (strikes) - UFC 65: Bad Intentions - November 18, 2006
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
13) Nick Diaz (20-7)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: August 2, 1983
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Scott Smith - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields - June 6, 2009
- vs. Frank Shamrock - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce on Showtime - April 11, 2009
- vs. Thomas Denny - Win via TKO (punches) - EliteXC: Unfinished Business - July 26, 2008
- vs. Muhsin Corbbrey - Win via TKO (punches) - EliteXC: Return Of The King - June 14, 2008
- vs. Katsuya Inoue - Win via TKO (corner stoppage) - DREAM 3 - May 11, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: When oh when will Nick Diaz fight again?
14) Jay Hieron (18-4)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: July 29, 1976
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Jesse Taylor - Win via decision (unanimous) - Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg - August 15, 2009
- vs. Jason High - Win via KO (punch) - Affliction: Day of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Chris Kennedy - Win via decision (unanimous) - Night of Combat 2 - October 11, 2008
- vs. Mark Miller - Win via TKO (punches) - IFL New Jersey - April 4, 2008
- vs. Delson Heleno - Win via TKO (injury) - IFL World Grand Prix Finals - December 29, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. TBA - Strikeforce - January 30, 2010
15) Dan Hornbuckle (19-2)
Height: 6'2
Birthday: December 26, 1980
Currently Fighting With: Sengoku
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Nick Thompson - Win via KO (strikes) - Sengoku 11 - September 23, 2009
- vs. Akihiro Gono - Win via KO (head kick) - Sengoku 9 - August 2, 2009
- vs. Joe Alexander - Win via KO (strikes) - TFC: Hornbuckle vs. Alexander - February 21, 2009
- vs. Nabil Khatib - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Raw Combat: Resurrection - June 20, 2008
- vs. Mike Pyle - Loss via submission (triangle choke) - Sengoku 2 - May 18, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Currently Unknown
Comment: Hornbuckle makes his debut as a ranked fighter after his impressive win over Nick Thompson in September.
Closing Comments: Other fighters receiving votes include Dustin Hazelett, Dong Hyun Kim, Anthony Johnson, Mike Pierce, Matt Serra and Ben Saunders.
Posted By: ,,,,,,,,, (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Really?... Paulo Thiago, below Swick & Kampman... Come On, give the guy a litle more love! + How Awesome is Josh Koscheck's recent, "Auto Self promoted title Push"...?
Posted By: Fear_Inc. (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Paulo>>Swick and Kampmann
I would have Dan switch with Kos just for their recent records
5-0 and 3-2 respectively
Posted By: Guest#3884 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:29 AM
personally i think everyone in the top 15 below dan hardy is better than him. Wins over swick and davis in 2 close decisions (1 of which i believe he lost) shouldnt get you ranked.
Posted By: johnny (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 02:05 AM
I'm a fan of both Zaromskis and Daley but they are both ranked to high. Glad Hornbuckle is finally getting noticed but why is Kadi voting for Serra? The mans fought something like twice in 3 and half years hasn't he.
Posted By: Guest#4607 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:34 AM
Paulo>>Swick and Kampmann
I would have Dan switch with Kos just for their recent records
5-0 and 3-2 respectively
ya u CAn say that. but you have to also look at the competition... i think KOSH has had wayy higher level of competition than Dan Hardy has... i think its going to be another Thiago Alves situation.. where dan hardy beats alot of ppl.. and looks undefeatable.. and gets murdered by GSP... but the difference is.. Alves actually went thru TOP LEVEL competition.. dan hardy has not yet.. and he is given the title shot... the HIGHEST level i'd say he has faced is swick..
Posted By: wylun (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:55 AM
no mayhem miller.....fail
Posted By: ,,,,,,,,, (Guest) on November 23, 2009 at 11:27 PM
And no Anderson Silva either, I wonder why.
Posted By: Samer Kadi (Registered) on November 24, 2009 at 04:56 AM
Can we please drop Matt Hughes off the list due to his unwillingness to fight anyone remotely relevant? I think even *I* am too relevant in the division for him to fight me.
Posted By: A. Coolman (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 06:07 AM
What?! No Killa B? Ben Saunders made a statement when he destroyed Marcus Davis!
I kid, I kid.
Great list. Looks like nothing has really changed. Wish Kampmann was a little higher, but he'll rebound
Posted By: GeeSpotter (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 06:38 AM
millers a middlewieght
Posted By: Guest#3334 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:35 AM
I think Anthony Johnson's drop completely out was a tad muc, though not unusual I guess.
Not sure I buy Koschek over Hardy simply due to the level of fighters Hardy's beaten. Sure, Koschek's beaten fighters, but Hardy's beaten contenders.
Posted By: AdamS (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:52 AM
I wanna see Anthony Johnson vs Mike Swick.
Posted By: Adam (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 09:48 AM
Not knowing that mayhem is a middleweight....fail
Posted By: Condrab (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:10 AM
John Hathaway should be close, at least mentioned.
Hardy and Zamouriskas are too high as well. Kampannn should be above Condit and Thiago should be higher than both.
And Hornbuckles win over The goat isn't that impressive when you consider Nick lost to Kennedy the fight before.
Posted By: Guest#1160 (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Jonathan Solomon
I called you out last time during the 170 rankings saying you had a hard on for Kos or something to the effect as you ranked him above Alves. You made a good response as to why you felt Kos should be above Alves (if I recall corretly I think your point was that Alves came in over weight when the two of them fought and I believe you had another point that I cannot remember). Whatever the points were (I am too lazy to go back and try to find them), there were valid and supported your ranking choice.
My question is what changed that would make you put Alves higher in the rankings this time than Kos? Kos has had two wins since his fight with Alves yet Alves hasn't fought anyone. I would think if anything, two wins for Kos would strengthen his ranking at welterweight.
Could you explain? Did you and Kos have a “falling out”? : )
Posted By: Brian (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Not having Rumble in the ranks is wrong. So he lost to Koscheck. Big deal. That fight needs to be redone IMO
Posted By: Tubby (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 12:48 PM
It's good to see you guys include fighters that aren't part of UFC or Strikeforce, but I'm surprised Zaromskis is ranked so high for beating fighters that wouldn't make a top 20 list.
Posted By: K. Bett (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 03:16 PM
How can Zaromskis be ranked that much higher than Jay Hieron? They have pretty much the same credentials (except that Hieron didn't almost lose to Ross Pointon and actually lose to Che Mills).
And wasn't Nick Diaz last 2 fights at MW? Which would make it 1,5 years since he last fought at WW?
Posted By: saerbarnet (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 04:35 PM
North America will implode as the entire continent simultaneously eats it's own head if Dan Hardy so much as drops GSP.
Aside from the fact his fights have gone the distance, why isn't Hardy as good as Koscheck again? Okay, Hardy tends to go to the judges, but he's beaten everyone the UFC has asked him to beat, including the fancied Mike Swick. Of course he hasn't beaten GSP or Alves or Fitch, but you DO realize he hasn't had a chance to fight them right? Instead of writing off a guy that hasn't lost recently and has beaten what's been put in front of him, why not give him the benefit ahead of a guy that's already lost a bunch of times in the UFC to both names and nobodies. Paulo Thiago?!
And who has Kos beaten that's better than Hardy's opponents? Lytle? Trigg? Yoshida?! Top level names, REALLY?! Hazelett is one dimensional and not top level, and Rumble was overrated just because he was big and exciting.
Hardy's wins are bigger than Kos's according to the rankings, but hey, because Kos has fought and lost to bigger names than Hardy's had the chance to, he's ranked higher.
Yeah, okay, that's fair.
Posted By: Jon (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:11 PM
Overall, these are really good rankings. Swick dropping to 8 and Fitch staying solid at second is very appropriate for them both. But there are 2 that I dont understand.
I dont personally agree with Kos being above Hardy. Kos has fought some better names, sure. But he seems to have a win win lose win win lose kind of record. 2 of his last 3 losses were his last 5 fights. After Brock and Shogun, I'm beginning to hate the 1-2 fight win streaks that earn a title shot.
And my second point of contention, why is Nick Diaz so low on the list? I know he hasnt had a fight in a while, and we dont know when he will in the forseeable future, but rampage is "retired" and he's still making the top 10.
Posted By: Patrick (Guest) on November 24, 2009 at 07:30 PM
Zaromskis at 6? He's never even fought against a top 15 welterweight. Being the champ in Dream doesn't mean much.
Posted By: KSti (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 06:50 PM
so matt hughes is ranked 12? your respect from me has been taken away officially. matt hughes is the most unathletic 170 lb fights to ever hold the belt, and he's undeniably over rated... good luck making his ranking a fact
Posted By: bby 206 (Guest) on November 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM
