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The Greatest MMA Column 12.08.09: The Kimbo Problem
Posted by Dan Plunkett on 12.08.2009



In June of 2007, Kimbo Slice made his amateur mixed martial arts debut. This is Kimbo's first big attempt to monetize the amount of attention he had received on YouTube. His opponent that night was former boxing champion Ray Mercer, who hadn't been in a meaningful fight since a 2002 loss to Wladimir Klitschko. The bout was thrown on PPV on an event promoted by the now defunct Cage Fury Fighting Championships. Fans hoped they would see a stand-up fight, but the opposite happened and Kimbo took Mercer to the ground and submitted him in 72 seconds. After the fight, Kimbo and Tank Abbott had a confrontation at cage side, making that the next logical fight for both men.

Before an October date between the two could be fulfilled, CFFC folded. It didn't take much time before ProElite, seeing dollar signs, signed Kimbo, immediately making him their biggest star. Kimbo made his EliteXC - and professional MMA - debut against Bo Cantrell. This matchmaking was for one reason: to make Kimbo look good. Cantrell hadn't won a fight in nearly a year. In his previous four fights, he had been knocked out three times and was coming off a gogoplata loss to Brad Imes. This time, Cantrell tapped out due to strikes just 19 seconds in. In EliteXC's mind, the Kimbo Era had begun.

The Cantrell fight was really just a formality; a fight thrown in to give EliteXC some footage of Kimbo to better promote him with. Next, EliteXC had a fight to promote where Kimbo's opponent was known. Despite the fall of CFFC, people still wanted to see former street brawler Kimbo take on MMA's resident brawler, Tank Abbott.

In the mid-nineties, Tank was arguably the most popular fighter in the UFC. He never held back and always swung for the fences. By 2008 however, Tank Abbott was, well, not very good. Since returning to MMA in 2003 following an ill-fated run in WCW, Abbott was just 1-6, the last two of which were TKO losses.

Despite it only being his second professional fight, Kimbo put on what is probably the best striking performance of his career (so far) in this fight. He knocked Tank out 43 seconds with a nice combination. For ProElite, the fight was a great success. Not only did the right guy win for them in highlight fashion, the bout became the highest rated MMA fight in Showtime history, a record that wouldn't be broken until Gina Carano met Cyborg Santos.
Kimbo KO's Tank
It was around this time that the Kimbo Slice Hate Train picked up a lot of stream. Dana White said of the fight, "Tank Abbott?! I mean, come on. That guy was a bad UFC fighter. A friend of mine said he was out at a bar the week before that fight and he saw Tank there drinking beers. He went up to him and was like 'Aren't you supposed to be fighting Kimbo soon?,"

Kimbo received a lot of attention that most hardcore MMA fans felt was unwarranted. After all, this guy is just a brawler! Many felt the same way as Ricco Rodriguez, who stated, "Kimbo is a tomato can. What has he done to prove himself? He hasn't fought anybody. He's a nobody. Kimbo Slice is just a clown."

One of Kimbo's biggest critics was Chuck Liddell. At the time, Liddell was coming off a win over Wanderlei Silva which seemingly rejuvenated his career. "Kimbo's one of those guys who doesn't have any ground game…he's been built up as such a big star and that's the thing that bothers me," said Liddell. "People talk about him like he's the next great thing when he really hasn't done anything."

After the Abbott fight, there were people talking about Kimbo taking on Liddell. Even UFC President Dana White said he'd make the fight in a second, but only after Kimbo fought somebody that mattered.

Kimbo's next fight was set for the main event on May 31 on EliteXC's first CBS event. His opponent was James Thompson. Thompson was by no means a step up in competition for Kimbo, he was knocked out in 3 of his past 4 fights and gets knocked down by a mild breeze nowadays.

In front of 6.1 million viewers, Kimbo struggled with Thompson for two rounds. MMA fans around the world pointed to Slice's ground game as his weakest point, and Thompson listened by taking Kimbo to the floor. "The Colossus" clearly won the first two rounds, nearly finishing Kimbo in the second. In the third round, Kimbo landed three big shots, hurting Thompson and exploding his God-awful cauliflower ear. Despite not being knocked down, the referee stopped the bout and awarded a TKO victory to Kimbo.
Kimbo KO's Thompson
Following the event, EliteXC head honcho Gary Shaw was interviewed by 411mania. Here is a gem of a quote from Mr. Shaw: "[Kimbo] is the greatest striker in the world." It was this type of blatantly untruthful, ‘Kimbo is the greatest' promotion that made people so angry.

After that Kimbo got knocked out by Seth Petruzelli, who in turn was "misquoted" in a radio interview which caused CBS to pull out of a deal that would have made them a major partner in the company. As a result, ProElite didn't have the funds to go on so they folded. In November, they cancelled an event that would have been their best yet (Diaz vs. Alvarez and Lawler vs. Villasenor II), but they never officially announced that they were done and their fighters were still under contract. Many of those fighters couldn't sign to fight anywhere else because of their contracts, so they couldn't provide for their families. Eventually, ProElite sold select assets to Strikeforce, including Kimbo's contract. Kimbo convinced both Strikeforce and Gary Shaw that he wanted to become a boxer, so he was let go from his contract. Later, it was announced that Kimbo would go on the UFC's Ultimate Fighter reality show.

On Saturday night, Kimbo made his official UFC debut. Despite not winning a fight on the show and being trashed by Dana White a countless number of times, Kimbo was featured on the event poster in place of the two fighters that made it to the finale. His fight was far more promoted than any other fight on the card, and during the show you could tell what the real main event was.

Something's different about this time though. EliteXC promoted him as a world beater. They wanted those 6.1 million viewers to believe that Kimbo was the baddest man on the planet and could fly. Maybe not the last part, but I wouldn't be surprised if they thought about going in that direction. The UFC is taking a different approach. They know Kimbo isn't the best heavyweight fighter in the world; they know he'll never be that (though they may not admit it now). What Kimbo is is a man fighting for acceptance, whether comes from the fans, media, or his peers. He is a work in progress; a man just trying to become a legitimate MMA fighter.

I purposely went into detail about how Kimbo's first four opponents weren't guys that should be fighting "the best striker on the planet." The thing is, they weren't fighting that guy. They were fighting a rookie trying to get some experience. Look the records of all the fighters in the UFC, a lot of them will have fights against fighters you've never heard of that have bad records.

Take Matt Hughes for instance. As well all know, Hughes is the greatest welterweight in the history of the sport. Back in college, he was an All-American wrestler for Eastern Illinois University. That's a great background to have for MMA and certainly better credentials than Kimbo had in striking when he entered MMA. Matt's first opponent was Erick Snyder, whom he fought twice. Mr. Snyder finished his career with a 2-8 professional MMA record. Look at these records:

Craig Quick – 0-1
Joe Guist – 0-2
Maynard Marcum – 2-2
Daniel Vianna – 2-2-1
Marcelo Aguiar – 2-3-1
Tom Schmitz – 3-3
Joe Stern – 4-4

Clearly, none of them are world beaters. They probably shouldn't have fought a guy like Hughes with an established, good wrestling base. However, even the best prospects get some warm up fights. They need to get acclimated to the sport of mixed martial arts in a way you can't in the gym.

Kimbo wasn't even a good prospect. By the time he started MMA, Kimbo was over 30, had no ground skills, and his stand-up was average at best. Even today, there's virtually no chance he becomes a top heavyweight.

Kimbo needs to gain experience, doesn't have a lot of potential, and is still learning the sport, but he's one of the most popular fighters in MMA because of his YouTube fights. That is the Kimbo Problem. Any organization he signs with is going to come under fire by fans because they promote him more than better, younger fighters with more potential. But the reason they promote him more because he draws more money.

It's not Kimbo's fault that he's popular. You can't blame him for trying to chase the American Dream and feed his family. He's giving MMA his best shot, that's all you can really ask for. Brock Lesnar, Georges St. Pierre, Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Forrest Griffin, Rampage Jackson, and Fedor Emelianenko are all among the most popular fighters in the sport. They're also the best (or were the best) fighters in the world. Kimbo is certainly among the most popular fighters in MMA, but he's an outcast in that category because he's the only MMA mega-star that isn't very good and never was. He's a unique fighter that presents a very unique problem.

MMA fans may not like it, but they're going to have to make peace with it. Kimbo will continue to be heavily promoted while not fighting near top level competition. Just hope they stick with the ‘still learning' angle.


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Kimbo seems like a genuine nice, humble guy. In his interviews he just has to say that he's still learning something new everyday and he should have a nice career. Of course he'll never be top 20 fighter skill wise but he'll put asses in the seats if they keep feeding him not so great opponents.

Posted By: Guest#6684 (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 01:14 AM

 
 
Thank you Dan Plunkett!

There is nothing wrong with rooting for Kimbo. The man had his family living in a car. He choose to make money by taking backyard fights instead of robbing, stealing, or drug dealing. All three of those would have been easier options.

No he is not and will never be a great MMA fighter. But it is not his fault he was presented as such by fledgling companies that had nothing more than his name recognition to try to survive off of. He is clearly a humble man who knows he is not great at his craft and just wants to improve and make some money and I see nothing wrong with that.


Posted By: Town Drunk (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 01:43 AM

 
 
Kimbo definitely has a spot in the MMA world, but it's not in the UFC. The UFC is still fighting for it's place at the table of American major league sports and taking on a sub-par fighter like Kimbo in his present state will damage the UFC's rep in the eyes of major sporting leagues.

If the UFC takes on Kimbo and puts him on a card, you can be damn well sure he is going to be part of the main card. Not the main event, for sure, but he'll get enough face time to make the UFC look like a bunch of f'ng amateurs, which is exactly what the UFC does not need at this time.

But I'll agree that he seems like a genuinely nice guy that wants to learn. I'm just saying that being part of a majorly promoted fight is NOT a good place to learn.


Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 02:35 AM

 
 
Poor Tank, damn.

Posted By: MBD (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 04:40 AM

 
 
Watching Kimbo on Saturday night, something occured to me. I do not think he is scared of anybody's strikes but the different holds, grapples and submissions one can quickly find himself in. I think he's a beast of a man in 'normal' fighting situations yet has tons to learn MMA wise and he knows that. To me, him knowing that he has so much to learn is the most important aspect. Once he learns more and becomes more confident with the 'mixed' part of MMA, I think we'll see some good fights from him

Posted By: Creter (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 08:21 AM

 
 
Why do people even care about his age? Sure, he's getting into the game late...but Randy Couture won the HW Title well into his 40's...sure, different pedigrees, but it's the age thing...who cares if he's 90, if he's kicking ass, he's kicking ass.

Posted By: Ramsey (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 08:59 AM

 
 
Dana will probably feed him a couple of cans but when he steps in there with a top 25 LHW it'll not be pretty, Kimbo seems like a good dude who really wants to learn so if he can make some cash and get out without being totally exposed to the average fan then more power to him. I wonder, if he was 5 years younger would he be able to learn enough to be a solid 205'er, he could have been a pretty good (not elite) fighter if he got some proper training at a younger age.

Posted By: Guest#6106 (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 09:18 AM

 
 
I agree on most counts, BUT Kimbo does have potential. Not best heavyweight or even top 10 heavyweight, but he has quick heavy hands and he's obviously a strong natural athlete.

yes he's in his 30's, but he could still put up some good fight with the right training (CARDIO) and working the hell out of his wrestling. I marked the fuck out when he went for the choke, but he looked gassed and a little out of his element. The fact that he tried proved that he's learning. Houston Alexander isn't a top LHW but he's knocked out some good fighters and he was obviously cautious of Slice's power.

He's the underdog and people will alway root for the undergog!


Posted By: MadLiberator (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 10:55 AM

 
 
Good column Dan. I think many fans have been very unfair to Kimbo. They act like he was doing interviews and talking shit like he is the greatest fighter in the world. He never did that. It was the companies he worked for who promoted him as such because they were trying to survive and compete with UFC and Kimbo was insanely popular because of his Youtube fights.

Kimbo has been very humble the whole time and has repeatedly stated that he's just interested in learning all he can to become the best fighter he can be. I think that he definitely has a place in the UFC. His popularity is undeniable. And the UFC is smart enough to not promote him as the "best striker in the world" or any of that nonsense. Put Kimbo in fights against guys with equal talent as his and he'll be fine.

Kimbo should never main event a PPV, but I think that UFC would be best served to put a Kimbo fight on any PPV they have with a less-than-popular main event. That way, they'll still get a good buyrate due to people wanting to see Kimbo, but won't devalue the talents of their best fighters since they will still main event the show.


Posted By: Monty (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 01:03 PM

 
 
Did someone just put Brock Lesnar in a category with REAL fighters?? This continues to blow my mind that people label him as a great fighter?!! He is a roided up wrestler that has NO business being in the ring! Wait until he fights someone who walks in and fights at 300 lbs of muscle that KNOWS how to fight. He doesn't have a chance. The only reason he wins is because he outwieghs all of his opponents by 50 lbs or more.
Randy had him beat until he bulled him down and laid on him and punched him with his womanly hammerfist that he tries to win with every time! I can't stand this arrogant juiced up wrestler who is given credit as one of the best "fighters" in the world. Brock go back where you belong to the WWE!!


Posted By: Jake (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 01:29 PM

 
 
Everyone who has never had a MMA fight want's to act like they can predict a man's future with MMA. Most people didn't think he would make it to the UFC.
He's training, and he's trying... I can not say what he will become, because I have no idea what his life is destined to become, you can never count a man out with out knowing the limits that man may push himself to by his own dedication. None of us are GOD's with the ability to predict the future, and so many of us have already been proven wrong when it comes to the Kimbo issue. What will we say if he wins 3 more fights in the UFC? Will we then redirect our criticism? People just do not want this man to be successful, and surely do not want him to be a legitimate UFC fighter.
You would think he was trying to run for president or something? Let the man train, and fight. If he fails, it's on him!! None of you analyst will lose sleep over it, or maybe you will...


Posted By: Guest#6901 (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 02:13 PM

 
 
Wonder why Vince has never tried to get him to come in to WWE. He's definitely not a UFC fighter, but he's got that "it factor" everybody always talks about to make it in wrestling. He may not become the next Shawn Michaels or anything, but you KNOW he'd make a hell of a heel and would bring in the bucks. Cena vs. Kimbo in the WM 27 main event! Book it, Vince!!

Posted By: Oily (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 04:28 PM

 
 
I don't care that Kimbo isn't a top fighter, he's a cool guy and I like him and for that reason I'll always root for him and watch his fights. What's more, Kimbo is responsible for me getting into MMA in the first place and doubtless for many millions of other people too. Cut the guy some slack.

Posted By: Anthony (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 07:01 PM

 
 
Great article... enjoyed reading it.

Posted By: Carmine (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 07:19 PM

 
 
"He choose to make money by taking backyard fights instead of robbing, stealing, or drug dealing. All three of those would have been easier options."

What about just getting a job?


Posted By: sean (Guest)  on December 10, 2009 at 12:43 AM

 
 
"He choose to make money by taking backyard fights instead of robbing, stealing, or drug dealing. All three of those would have been easier options."

What about just getting a job?

Posted By: sean (Guest) on December 10, 2009 at 12:43 AM

In this economy?

Seriously though, with the lack of showers and alarm clocks it is tough for a homeless dude to get a job.


Posted By: Town Drunk (Guest)  on December 10, 2009 at 01:55 AM

 
 
he's totally the tank of the 21st century! people loved to see guys who flat out brawl. dana white is a fuckin hypocrite and will book whoever people want to see. if kimbo learns some skills along the way, all the better for him(and the viewers).

Posted By: pjl (Guest)  on December 12, 2009 at 01:17 PM

 


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