411 MMA Fact or Fiction 12.30.09: Fighter/Fight of the Decade, Evans/Silva, Dynamite!! 2009 & MORE!
Posted by Jeremy Lambert on 12.30.2009
Was Fedor the best fighter of the decade? Will Evans vs. Silva go to decision? Was Griffin vs. Bonnar 1 the best fight of the decade? Are you excited for UFC 108? 411's Jeffrey Harris and Daniel Bonnizzio debate these topics and more in weeks edition of 411 MMA Fact or Fiction!
We're approaching a new decade, which means we'll look back a bit on this past decade as well as looking ahead to this Saturday's UFC 108.
To debate those topics this week we have a jack of all trades here at 411, he brings you great movie reviews and great interviews, he is The Vile One, he is Jeffrey Harris. His opponent is the man with the best Takedown (MMA News Reports) in the business, please welcome Daniel Bonnizzio.
In the words of John McCarthy…LET'S GET IT ON!
1. Fedor was the best fighter of the decade.
Jeffrey Harris:FICTION. Fedor and his management when the time came avoided bigger fights and bigger money in the UFC. Now he's going to be main eventing Strikeforce against people like FABRICIO WERDUM. Fedor didn't compete in two weight classes and win titles in both weight classes like BJ Penn and Dan Henderson. He also took laughable freakshow fights like Zuluzinho and Hong Man Choi. Hardly worthy matchups for aman to be called best fighter of the decade.
Daniel Bonnizzio:FICTION He had the opportunity and was well on his way to being called the fighter of the decade. He has but one loss on his record, a spotty loss at that, he's been fighting for nearly a decade, he beat all the top heavyweights, even some not-so-top heavyweights. However, he's padded his record, he refused to go into top competition even this late in his career, and he essentially dodged most North Americans by signing with Strikeforce instead of the UFC. He may be the most skilled, have one of the best win/loss ratios in the game, exude an aura of dominance matched by few, but the fact remains that he has basically said 'screw the fans' on multiple occasions.
SCORE:1 for 1.
2. Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva will not go to a decision.
Jeffrey Harris:FACT. I'm gonna go fact in this one. Silva and Evans are both guys that tend to go for it in a fight as of late, their tactics against Machida aside. Both guys are good strikers, so I hope we see someone get KTFO'ed.
Daniel Bonnizzio:FACT Is the sky blue? Is blood red? Is either Thiago Sivla or Rashad Evans going to be KO'd again? The answer to all of these questions is yes indeed. Recently Rashad has decided to be a boxer and while some will say bad idea the fact remains that he has lightning quick handspeed and has the power to back it up. Silva has some brutally heavy hands and despite having that black belt in BJJ loves to knock people unconscious. It may get out of the first, it could possibly get out of the second, but there is no way this fight is going to last all 15 minutes.
SCORE:2 for 2.
3. You're excited for UFC 108 despite all the injuries that changed the card.
Jeffrey Harris:FACT. Haters hate, that's what they feed off of. Lately, I don't miss a single UFC card, and I generally leave satisfied for the most part. Now I don't buy every show, but I go to a place that shows the event with no cover charge, and I still have fun. People bashed the UFC 104 card because it did not have any "big names," yet UFC 104 turned out to be a great card. UFC 107 lost Evans/Rampage which made a lot of people not care, yet it still delivered and was a great show. I like MMA and watching more MMA. This show is giving us guaranteed free MMA matches on TV as well including Dan Lauzon and Martin Kampmann. I'm very intrigued by Evans/Silva and also Stout/Lauzon could be a hell of a freaking fight.
Daniel Bonnizzio:FACT I wish I could go to places with no cover charge man. However, like Harris said, I enjoy most UFC shows they put on and while this is lacking the essentials in the typical supershow - title defenses, big star names, a stacked card - the fact is that the UFC continues to put on quality show after show, and in spite of all the injuries plaguing this card not seen since UFC 98 or UFC 85, we still get some solid matchups all over the card for a fun night of fights that shouldn't - and probably won't - leave us dissatisfied.
SCORE:3 for 3.
Video Intermission
4. Dustin Hazelett vs. Paul Daley will be the fight of the night at UFC 108.
Daniel Bonnizzio:FACT Originally I would have gone fiction on this one, but what with all the injuries and substitutions, it remains one of the only exciting fights I can see. Daley likes to slug it out and Hazelett is a genie on the mat. The pace they are going to set in trying to get their respective favored win method along with what they do along the way is probably going to net them the FOTN award. If they don't though, the only other fight I can see going for FOTN is the Stout/Lauzon fight.
Jeffrey Harris:FICTION As much as I like and respect Bonnizzio, I have to disagree with him here. While I think this has potential to be a great fight, I see a lot more potential in Sam Stout vs. Joe Lauzon in getting that honor. Stout's a fighter and always comes to bang, and Lauzon has been very impressive in his most recent fights as well. I think that's my prediction for Fight of the Night. Not to mention fights like Dan Lauzon vs. Cole Miller.
SCORE:3 for 4.
5. DREAM will win six of the nine DREAM vs. WVR fights at Dynamite 2009.
Daniel Bonnizzio:FACT Sengoku has some quality fighters, don't get me wrong, but the fact is that the DREAM guys are just much better. Right now, the ones I definitely see winning their fights are Overeem, KID, Mach, Aoki, Kawajiri, and Takaya. The others are up in the air a little more, and I think Misaki will definitely beat Manohef, but outside of those DREAM is going to beat down the Sengoku guys rather handily.
Jeffrey Harris:FACT I pretty much agree with Bonnizzio again here. I also favor the DREAM fighters in most of those fights especially Overeem, Aoki, and Kawajiri. I'm just disappointed we couldn't get that Aoki/Kawajiri title bout thought.
SCORE:4 for 5.
6. Griffin vs. Bonnar 1 was the best fight of the decade.
Daniel Bonnizzio:FACT Hands down. No it was not the most technical match. No it did not feature the two most popular guys ever in the UFC. What it did have, and in boats full, was heart and the need to win. Both guys were out there knowing that not only did their careers possibly ride on the line but the fate of the UFC and possibly MMA in North America in general. The relentless pace they set along with the 15 minutes full of beating each others' face in with everything they had outweighs any kind of technical expertise or popularity two other fighters may have had, and because of its impact on the MMA world, I would have to say Bonnar/Griffin I is the best fight of the decade.
Jeffrey Harris:FICTION I liked the fight and I totally understand and agree with it's importance as one of the best fights of the decade. However, I think I've seen better fights. My pick would personally be Henderson vs. Silva II at Pride 33, the main event of the greatest MMA event of all time and Henderson becomes the first man to ever become a simultaneous double champion in MMA. Henderson is also my favorite fighter, but there's no bias here . . . no bias . . . at all . . . Another fight I put ahead of Griffin/Bonnar I are the Pride Middleweight Grand Prix 03 finals, Silva vs. Rampage.
SCORE:4 for 6.
Jeffrey and Daniel got off to a friendly start but things got heated at the end.
Come back next week as two more MMA writers debate the fallout of UFC 108, preview 2010, and talk all the latest news in MMA.
i love how you guys say that fedor isnt the fighter of the decade (which i agree he is NOT) but Dan Plunkett is allowed to put a whole article saying he is.. -_-
Posted By: wylun (Guest) on December 29, 2009 at 11:18 PM
I'm not sure there is a definitive fighter of the decade.
If you don't think Fedor is at least in the running for it though, you know nothing of MMA.
Posted By: Guest#6736 (Guest) on December 29, 2009 at 11:42 PM
Well Im glad you guys will be watching 108. That way I can read about it here and go do something more exciting....like watching the wandy/coleman shave commercial.
Posted By: fdd (Guest) on December 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM
yea lets take away Fedor's past accomplishments just because he didn't sign with the UFC. Brilliant
Posted By: wolvie316 (Guest) on December 29, 2009 at 11:57 PM
If Fedor isn't the fighter of the decade who is?
Anderson Silva? Brock Lesnar? GSP?
You guys are dumbasses if you think any of them are more deserving
Posted By: Guest#1208 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:03 AM
No offense but you guys talk about freakshows? Big Nog faced Bob sapp equal almost to Hong man Choi, & Zulu who Fedor faced and beat as well. So he aint the only one who fought freakshows in pride.
Posted By: Scottyieoittie (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:03 AM
yea lets take away Fedor's past accomplishments just because he didn't sign with the UFC. Brilliant
Posted By: wolvie316 (Guest) on December 29, 2009 at 11:57 PM
How can you say hes the fighter of the decade when he REFUSED to fight top competition. Instead he signed with Strikeforce and fought former UFC Champions that Ray Mercer could knock out in 9 seconds.
Posted By: Dooks (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:27 AM
Harris also probably isn't the most unbiased person to ask about Fedor's legacy. He inexplicably votes Brock over Fedor in the HW rankings...
Posted By: Guest#7277 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:34 AM
Im all for having your own opinions, and if you think another fighter had a better decade than Fedor, so be it. The reasons given for why he isnt the "fighter of the decade" are ridiculous though. You people have no idea why he didn't sign with the UFC, and claiming it was to avoid competition is purely speculation.
As for the so called "freakshow fights" the Zulu fight was in 2005, after he had cleaned out the heavyweights in pride, and before the current crop of UFC heavyweights were anything of note.
And the Choi fight was in 07, at a time when UFC's heavyweight division was run by Arlovski and Sylvia, whom he beat shortly thereafter. So what is the problem with him taking these fights? He clearly wasn't bypassing worthy contenders to take them, so i fail to see why they should reflect poorly on him. He fought who he was told to fight, yet he loses credibility for it? That's a joke and both of the arguments reek of Fedor hate. The man dominated the sport for the entire decade. Whether fighting top competition or "freakshows". No other MMA fighter can make that claim. If it was best second half of the decade, maybe you can say Silva, or GSP, but as whole, nobody has been as good in the last 10 years as Fedor. IMO.
Posted By: Losaphone (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:45 AM
Fedor not the fighter of the decade!?!? What the hell are you guys on?
Posted By: Mig (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:59 AM
wylun-
Why wouldn't I be allowed to put a whole article saying Fedor is the fighter of the decade? They have their opinions and I have mine.
Posted By: Plunkett (Registered) on December 30, 2009 at 02:44 AM
Fedor IS the Fighter of the Decade, you two have no idea.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 03:16 AM
Anderson Silva is the fighter of the decade by a million miles, it's that simple. Since his run in UFC (the top MMA promotion in the entire world) he's looked UNBEATABLE. UNSTOPPABLE. Not even close to losing a fight. Fedor has looked beatable time and time again and probably would have been beaten if it wasn't for his less experienced opponents (Rogers for example, who had him worried). When Fedor fights the best (the likes of Lesnar) then I'll give him his dues. Until then, he's not and never will be seen as the best fighter, it's that simple.
And Griffin/Bonnar is by a MILLION miles the greatest fight in MMA history. It's almost a fact after you realise what it did for MMA and how damn exciting it actually was. Easily the best fight ever.
Posted By: SummerDogg (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 06:30 AM
How can you say hes the fighter of the decade when he REFUSED to fight top competition. Instead he signed with Strikeforce and fought former UFC Champions that Ray Mercer could knock out in 9 seconds.
Posted By: Dooks (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:27 AM
Pride WAS the top competition from 2002 to 2006 at least. Fedor,CroCop,Nog,Barnett > Arlovski,Sylvia
Sylvia was ranked top10 when Fedor fought him. What happened after doesnt matters.
Arlovski was top3.
Barnett was top3,when Fedor wanted to fight him.
Rogers was top10,and had better wins,then Carwin,who is "top comp" if you ask Dana White.
Did you know,that Leites got cut from the UFC? Jeez,Anderson doesnt fight top competition!!!!!
Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 06:34 AM
Not sure exactly who Fedor is dodging by not fighting for the UFC? Roy Nelson? Kimbo Slice?
Posted By: DanC (Registered) on December 30, 2009 at 08:44 AM
Sapp isn't a freak show, he's just not a very good fighter.
Posted By: Guest#7682 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 08:51 AM
As you folks suggested in #3 'Haters Hate'. Which is typical of the UFC contingent (which you yourselves are), when Fedor is concerned. Real MMA enthusiasts, even the ones who aren't necessarily pleased with Fedor's last couple years, still understand he's the best this Decade, by a fair margin. Keep on hatin', kids.
Posted By: Brian M (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 09:45 AM
You guys are the direct product of the UFC hype machine. Fedor beat everyone put in front of him. WHo else has beaten 7 former UFC HW champs? Who else has reigned on top of their division as long as he has? If he is not best of the decade who is? Anderson, via flying kneebar? GSP via taps to punches from Serra? Hughes via multiple losses? Chuck via being KTFO? Royce via 90's and one dimension? Who? You guys are pathetic...
Posted By: The Last Emperor (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 09:47 AM
Fedor IS the Fighter of the Decade, you two have no idea.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 03:16 AM
Fedor IS the biggest chicken shit of the decade.
Posted By: OGBrad (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 09:48 AM
Fedor..?? Fighter of the decade..??
Here is a record of all the fighters Fedor has fought. Lets analyze them.
Martin Lazarov 0-2-0 2 fights total
Levon Lagvilava 0-2-0 2 fights total
Hiroya Takada 1-3-0 4 fights total
Ricardo Arona 14-5-0 19 fights total
Tsuyoshi "TK" Kohsaka 25-18-2-1 46 fights total
Mihail Apostolov 0-1-0 1 fight total
Kerry "Meat Truck" Schall 22-11-1 34 fights total
Renato Sobral-de Cuinha 35-9-0 44 fights total
Ryushi Yanagisawa 24-25-9 58 fights total
Lee Hasdell 8-5-3-1 17 fights total
Chris "The Hammer" Haseman 20-16 36 fights total
Semmy Schilt 26-14-1 41 fights total
Heath "The Texas Crazy Horse" Herring 28-14-1 43 fights total
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira 32-5-1-1 39 fights total
Fedor has fought him three times, with 2 wins and one no contest.
Egidijus Valavicius 15-7-0 22 fights total
Kazuyuki Fujita 15-8-1 24 fights total
Gary "Big Daddy" Goodridge 12-21-2 35 fights total
Yuji Nagata 0-2-0 2 fights total
Mark Coleman 16-9-0 25 fights total
Fedor fought Coleman twice going 2-0
Kevin Randleman 17-14-0 31 fights total
Naoya Ogawa 7-2-0 9 fights total
Tsuyoshi "TK" Kohsaka 25-18-2-1 46 fights total
Mirko Filipović 25-7-2-1 35 fights total
Wagner da Conceição Martins 17-6-0 23 fights total
Mark "Super Samoan" Hunt 5-6-0 11 fights total
Matt Lindland 21-6-0 27 fights total
Choi Hong-man 2-3-0 5 fights total
Tim Sylvia 25-6-0 31 fights total
Andrei Arlovski 15-7 22 fights total
Brett Rogers 10-1-0 11 fights total
Now lets look at this record. All told these fighter have fought 745 fights. Very impressive,
to a point. Now lets look at the total wins for that bunch. The total wins is 462, which is
is only a 62% win rate. Most of his competition has had at best a marginal win rate.
There are exceptions, Like Sobral, Nogueira, Sylvia, and Filipovic etc. But the majority of his
wins are from marginal fighters at best. The numbers don't lie. Out of all his fights,
about 10 of them have been against really challenging opponents, 10 have been against marginal
opponents, and 10 have been against totally unflattering opponents with losing records.
Fighter of the decade..?? Hardly. More like Fedor "I duck the good fighters now" Emilianenko.
Posted By: Richard (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Amazing how some guys opinions can get BIASED....
So Fedor participated in what is regarded as the MOST Important and greatest FIGHT OF THE DECADE aka FEDOR VS CRO COP, he is 31-1 Has Never been FINISHED, SUBBED, hell his "loss" was a CUT ! He was open to continue the fight and would have won it .
He defeated, BIG NOG not only once but TWICE and DECISIVELY, same for Herring, Randleman, Fujita, Rogers, Sylvia, Arlovski and Cro Cop.
So just because he never signed to the UFC he is NOT The greatest P4P Ever ?
BJ Penn got subbed and destroyed, so was Henderson, GSP, Anderson Silva (twice by Ryo Chonan and a japanese can).
Fedor IS The greatest fighter of the decade to anyone who has a single knowledge about MMA just for his track record, opponents defeated and the zero flaw in his game AND The whole influence he had on many people becoming MMA Marks thanks to his greatness.
EPIC FAIL FOR Jeremy Bonizzio and Harris !
FEDOR IS The Fighter Of The DECADE !
Posted By: FEDOR >>>> UFC (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM
fighter of the decade, Fedor...hands down
Basically, every MMA fan knows it's between Fedor, GSP, and Silva. Liddell unfortunately loses contention based on him not retiring on top
GSP, great decade, but has half as many wins as Fedor and his two losses were obvious ones
Silva, great decade, especially the last half. But he does have FOUR losses, and it's hard to make the case that he's the best fighter in the world with losing four times
Fedor is the only fighter that consistently won throughout
Posted By: mae (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Im all for having your own opinions, and if you think another fighter had a better decade than Fedor, so be it. The reasons given for why he isnt the "fighter of the decade" are ridiculous though.
Posted By: Losaphone (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:45 AM
This. Bringing up Overeem as weak competition when the last 3 guys Fedor has fought have been Sylvia, Arlovski & Rogers just makes you look like a hater, and if he didn't want to fight strong competition, what the hell was he doing in PRIDE?
Also, Fedor screwing the fans? WTF? He's been the best fighter of the decade, no question for me. GSP, Hendo, Silva (Wanderlei & Anderson), have good claims, but none of them have been as dominant as Fedor over the decade.
Posted By: Vordeo (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 10:25 AM
I dislike Fedor. I think he has spent the years since Pride folded hiding behind his management in avoiding the best competition. But he was the fighter of the Decade. By a mile.
How can you state he wasn't, and then not follow that up by stating who was the fighter of the decade? Is Harris claiming it was BJ or Hendu?
Posted By: MJH (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM
i will get blasted for this but what about chuck lidelle or randy coutoure or even anderson silva for fighter of the decade...my vote would probally be chuck. lets forget what he did the second half of the decade and remember how he changed the sport in the first half
Posted By: 411 manias enemy (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Anderson Silva is the fighter of the decade by a million miles, it's that simple. Since his run in UFC (the top MMA promotion in the entire world) he's looked UNBEATABLE. UNSTOPPABLE. Not even close to losing a fight. Fedor has looked beatable time and time again and probably would have been beaten if it wasn't for his less experienced opponents (Rogers for example, who had him worried). When Fedor fights the best (the likes of Lesnar) then I'll give him his dues. Until then, he's not and never will be seen as the best fighter, it's that simple.
ANDERSON SILVA ALSO GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM TO HIM TWICE-HE TAPPED OUT BOTH TIMES, A PUSSY.
Posted By: RealityCheck (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Not sure exactly who Fedor is dodging by not fighting for the UFC? Roy Nelson? Kimbo Slice?"
You idiot. Mir, Kongo, Lesnar, Carwin, Dos Santos, Velasquez. Need more..??
Posted By: Richard (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 11:02 AM
These writers are UFC fanboys and are awful. They've already been crushed in the comments section, and I don't need to repeat these comments, but I will put my agreement on the record as well.
Somehow BJ moving up to a weight class and getting his ass kicked is more impressive than a guy constantly fighting with 40+ lb weight disadvantages and absolutely dominating. Brilliant, pure brilliance.
Posted By: Guest#6317 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I refuse to read the rest of this article after #1. Absolutely retarded. Padded record? Who the fuck doesn't have a padded record? Who hasn't faced a few non-great guys? Fedor beat almost every good HW in the world(minus overrated UFC HWs like Couture), so what if every single fight wasn't against 1st class competition, no fighter is. Silva doesn't, nobody does. And he doesn't get Fighter of the Decade because he didn't sign with UFC in 2009? He would have had 1, maybe 2 fights at most in the UFC, hardly enough to do anything to his legacy. And it is well known that Fedor doesn't want to sign into UFC's controlling contracts(which many other fights have said they are), so how is that avoiding big fights? That's having self respect and not selling yourself to Dana White for money.
The only HW in the UFC that has a chance of beating him is Brock. Anybody who thinks that Fedor avoided big fights in the UFC has their head up Dana's ass. Fedor's already beaten 2 former UFC champions(who were legit fighters until they lost to Fedor, then all of a sudden they were overrated), and Brett Rogers is pretty much as good as any UFC HW minus Brock, Nog(already lost to Fedor, more than once) and Mir(who wouldn't be able to roll with Fedor on the ground). Fedor is the best HW of the decade, and of all time.
Retarded
Posted By: 420 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM
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i love how you guys say that fedor isnt the fighter of the decade (which i agree he is NOT) but Dan Plunkett is allowed to put a whole article saying he is.. -_-
Posted By: wylun (Guest) on December 29, 2009 at 11:18 PM "
You got to remember that the opinions expressed in each individual column are that of the writer, and are in no way intended to reflect the views of anyone else on staff or the site itself.
While I agree with Fedor not being on top the past few years, and agree to an extent on him dodging competition, his years in Pride would probably make him fighter of the decade. At least fighter of the first half a decade, with the second half going to Anderson Silva.
Posted By: Todd Vote (Registered) on December 30, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Anderson Silva is the fighter of the decade by a million miles, it's that simple. Since his run in UFC (the top MMA promotion in the entire world) he's looked UNBEATABLE. UNSTOPPABLE. Not even close to losing a fight. Fedor has looked beatable time and time again and probably would have been beaten if it wasn't for his less experienced opponents (Rogers for example, who had him worried). When Fedor fights the best (the likes of Lesnar) then I'll give him his dues. Until then, he's not and never will be seen as the best fighter, it's that simple.
LESNAR IS BEST? BASED ON WHAT? HIS 4 FIGHTS AND 25% LOSS RECORD?
STOP SUCKING OFF THE NEXT BIG THING, WWE FANBOY.
Posted By: TruthHurts (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM
If Fedor is not the fighter of the decade, who is?
Posted By: Jamie (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM
ANDERSON SILVA IS A PUSSY!
Did someone really claim this?!?!?!?!?!?! Someone who has stepped in the cage with some of the best in his division is a pussy?!?!?! I'm running low on weed at the moment, but I'll have some of what you're having please.
In my opinion, A Silva is the best P4P fighter in the world right now. However, over the decade as a whole, no one can touch Fedor...no one.
Posted By: Franco Baresi (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM
RealityCheck wrote:
"When Fedor fights the best (the likes of Lesnar) then I'll give him his dues...."
Here is a reality check, when Lesnar fights the best (the likes ofFedor), than I will give Brock his due.
Posted By: DanC (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Silva by sick knockout round 2
Posted By: Guest#1629 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:02 PM
You idiot. Mir, Kongo, Lesnar, Carwin, Dos Santos, Velasquez. Need more..??
Posted By: Richard (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Is there any doubt that Fedor would HANDLE Kongo, Cain, and Junior? Brock and Mir are his only tough fights at HW in the UFC.
Posted By: Alex (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:20 PM
Since this has become a debate on whether or not Fedor is the fighter of the decade, let me throw my $.02 into the mix...
As far as straight up fighter, I don't see how that can even be in question. Even if his record is fluffed, he's still beaten a who's who of the top contenders over his reign.
For years, PRIDE had a far superior HW division then the UFC did and Fedor was king.... fighting and beating all of the top guys when they were in their prime.
...but- with that said, I believe the 'Fighter of the Decade' title should mean far more then just what one does in the ring/ cage... and for that, I'd give the honor to Chuck Liddell.
Chuck was a dominating fighter for many years, was one of the reasons that MMA became mainstream, is easily the most well known fighter by the mainstream, and he had his own slot machine in Vegas.
Posted By: cyks (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:36 PM
As much as there is some Fedor backlash right now over not signing with the UFC, its still hard to not call him fighter of the decade. If there honestly is another fighter more worthy spill out his name, don't just list a few of his flops. One writer even implied that Couture was better because he won titles in two weight classes, newsflash Fedor never lost a title in his current weightclass thats why he never left, as soon as one division got to hard for Randy he jumped ship or had a fake retirement. Then as good GSP is, he was on the losing side of the biggest upset of the decade. Brock Lesnar had 4 fights this decade, one he lost by submission, he had one win agianst a medium class fighter at best, he beat an aging fighter who last held the belt on a miracle run and this was after Randy was gone for a year, then he faced Mir agian after about a year and a half of trainig and preparation to redeem himself from his only loss. Sorry but I think Fedor did quite a few impressive more things this year than Lesnar. And then comes Silva, if you just go by win loss record alone Fedor trumps the current UFC p4p best fighter. To say its fiction to even consider the fighter of the decade is a joke.
Posted By: J.J.T. (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 01:51 PM
Spot on, 420, f---ing spot on!
Posted By: Mig (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 02:39 PM
you stupid wrestling nerds need to go sit at the kids table and leave MMA to the men.
You do all realize that a decade goes for 10 years right? Fedor hasnt beaten anyone since 2005 when he Beat Cro Cop. Your gonna tell me that because he smashed the likes of Mark hunt, Tim Sylvia, Brett Rodgers,AA, Lindland (who fights at 185),Coleman, Zuluzinho and Hong man Choi( just lost to a dude that fights at 155) that he should still be the best fighter of the decade? he went 5 years with out beating a top ten Heavyweight and he should be the fighter of the decade?
take out the 3 fights with Nogueira, and the fight with Cro Cop who has he beaten? NO ONE. a person that is 3-0-1 against 10 10 talent has no business being the fighter of the decade.
Posted By: stupid stupid people. (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 03:17 PM
Err, it wasn't so long ago that FABRICIO WERDUM (disgusted looks all round) was going to main event for the UFC. He lost to the unknown JDS, and got cut, but prior to that it looked for all the WORLD like he was a number one contender in the "best heavyweight division ever ever ever", the UFC.
Come on. That's like Velasquez moaning for ages, losing a fight, getting cut for moaning, and then fighting Fedor. "Oh Velasquez was never a top contender anyway, he's a can, blah blah blah".
Give it a break. The UFC has Brock Lesnar. That's the only guy in the entire world that Fedor needs to beat, and the only guy who in the UFC who is a serious threat. Seriously, that's it. Meanwhile, Overeem is as good an opponent as anyone else Dana can put on offer.
Posted By: Jon (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 05:55 PM
ou stupid wrestling nerds need to go sit at the kids table and leave MMA to the men.
You do all realize that a decade goes for 10 years right? Fedor hasnt beaten anyone since 2005 when he Beat Cro Cop. Your gonna tell me that because he smashed the likes of Mark hunt, Tim Sylvia, Brett Rodgers,AA, Lindland (who fights at 185),Coleman, Zuluzinho and Hong man Choi( just lost to a dude that fights at 155) that he should still be the best fighter of the decade? he went 5 years with out beating a top ten Heavyweight and he should be the fighter of the decade?
take out the 3 fights with Nogueira, and the fight with Cro Cop who has he beaten? NO ONE. a person that is 3-0-1 against 10 10 talent has no business being the fighter of the decade.
Posted By: stupid stupid people. (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 03:17 PM
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Funny you call people stupid yet fail to acknowledge that Fedor's last 3 opponents were all ranked top 10 when they fought Fedor... Andrei being ranked #2 by most when they fought last January.
Posted By: Stupid is as stupid does... (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 06:15 PM
I guess Jeffrey and Daniel would agree that the Undertaker defeated much bigger names than Fedor,plus he is american,so he must be the fighter of the decade.
I always thought 411mania is a fun site,the articles are pretty good,but I think Im leaving now. This is way below pathetic.
Posted By: Guest#0367 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 06:38 PM
"Not sure exactly who Fedor is dodging by not fighting for the UFC? Roy Nelson? Kimbo Slice?"
You idiot. Mir, Kongo, Lesnar, Carwin, Dos Santos, Velasquez. Need more..??
Posted By: Richard (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 11:02 AM"
Wow I bet he is making nightmares thinking of Frank Super Massive Ego Mur and Cheik Glorious Kick Boxer in disguise Kongo....
Now give me a break, Fedor would eat every single of those guys alive the same way he did with A Big Nog WITHOUT Staph Infection and injured...TWICE, Sylvia, Arlovski, Fujita , Rogers ect ect
While Mr Anderson Silva tapped to a guy who is 9-13 like a little bitch IMO
FEDOR >>> ANDERSON
FEDOR >>>> ANYONE
He is That DAMN GOOD, only blinded UFC Groupies and dana white nuthuggers who do think the UFC is MMA while it's NOT and is just a promo will tell you the opposite.
Keep bitchin' and cryin', Fedor is the man for the real mma fans and many many people.
He is a living legend
Posted By: Fedor Owns The UFC HW Division (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 06:49 PM
Oh Bonizzio you've totally proved me right with your choice of Griffin vs Bonnar as "fight of the decade", what a joke !
Two TV Reality Products , one of them is running away like a pussy after getting murdered and the other one got tooled by the man Fedor totally destroyed when he was younger and better and who is know 46 years old !
FAIL FAIL FAIL !
Posted By: Guest#5119 (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 06:51 PM
I can't think of a single fighter who deserves "Fighter of the Decade" more than Fedor. I think the turkeys who write this shit are UFC kiss asses.
Posted By: Sammy (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 07:17 PM
Funny you call people stupid yet fail to acknowledge that Fedor's last 3 opponents were all ranked top 10 when they fought Fedor... Andrei being ranked #2 by most when they fought last January.
Posted By: Stupid is as stupid does... (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 06:15 PM
So you think Sylvia, AA and Rogers would beat: Brock, Nog, Cain, Carwin, Mir, JDS, and Oveereem? you think what would round out the top 10? you think those 3 guys belong in that fucking list?
Did you foget that Tim Sylvia lost to Ray Mercer, you know that guy that used to box? Did you forget that AA is the most over rated fighter in the world? DId you Forget that brett Rodgers biggest win besides the glass jaw of AA was James Thompson? the same guy that is 2-9-1 in his last 12 fights?
Actually i dont think you forgot, i just dont think you know what the fuck your talking about.Because clearly you dont.
Posted By: Stupid Supid people (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 09:29 PM
Stupid Stupid Stupid People - Facts are, doesn't fucking matter what happened to ANY fighter AFTER their fights with Fedor. At the time of their fight, AA, Sylvia and Rogers were all top 10. Period. Get your head out of your ass.
Posted By: Brian M (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 09:45 PM
Actually i dont think you forgot, i just dont think you know what the fuck your talking about.Because clearly you dont.
Posted By: Stupid Supid people (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 09:29 PM
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...and yet, they were still all top ranked at the time they fought (and lost) to Fedor- so going on about what happened to them AFTER they fought him makes no difference.
4 of the 7 guys you named just started to make a name for themselves this past 1-2 years (Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, JdS). Mir hasn't been worth anything until this past year.... and Overeem won't fight in the US due to drug testing.
Could AA, Rogers, or Big Tim have beaten Nog when they fought Fedor? Nog had just beaten Tim, looked like crap against Mir- so I have little doubt Andrei could have beaten him then, and he should be able to beat Brett, but who's to say if Nog still has his chin.
Again- feel free to ignore what he did at the time and continue to compare the fighters he fought then to other fighters now.... but also realize that at the time he beat Sylvia, he had also already beaten the current UFC champ - twice.
Posted By: Stupid is still stupid. (Guest) on December 30, 2009 at 10:06 PM
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