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Cardio Freak MMA News Report 01.25.10: Best In The World
Posted by Jeremy Lambert on 01.25.2010





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Last week I wrote the following, "just based on skills vs. other opponents, (BJ) Penn is the best fighter in the world."

A reader was not happy with this comment. He could not believe that I would proclaim BJ Penn as the best fighter in the world when Anderson Siva, Lyoto Machida, Fedor Presented by M-1 Global, and Georges St. Pierre haven't lost in years while Penn just lost to GSP almost one year ago. "Pound 4 Pound there is no way BJ Penn is the best fighter in the world", the e-mail stated.

I guess I didn't explain myself well enough and for that I apologize. First off, I don't believe in ranking fighters. Months ago Jonathan Solomon, the man who puts together the 411 Fighter Rankings and does an excellent job in doing so, started posting the writers individual rankings along with the final list. You'll notice that I'm always absent from the individual rankings because I know if I participate then I'll get very upset at anyone who disagrees with my list because my opinion is never wrong. The toughest rankings to do are pound for pound because you're ranking fighters based on who they've fought in their division and how their competition ranks against other fighters and who they've fought and how their competition ranks. Pound for pound Fedor was number one for years but is now anywhere between one and four despite never losing fight. That doesn't make much sense to me.



So what exactly did I mean when I said, "based on skills vs. other opponents, Penn is the best fighter in world"?

It's simple really. At least I thought it was. If you take Penn's skills and match him up against any fighter in the world and their skills, I believe BJ Penn is the best in the world. Basically you take away weight classes and put everyone at the same weight. It essentially takes away any physical advantage that plays a big part in MMA. I'm looking at only skills and nothing else.

BJ Penn has the skills to beat any fighter in the world. His chin is granite, his boxing is excellent, he has power in his hands, his takedown defense and balance is legendary, and his ground game is the best in the world.

Let me take this a step further and match up Penn against the best fighters in the respective weight classes:



BJ Penn vs. Fedor Presented by M-1 Global: Fedor's strengths are that he hits really hard, has a strong Sambo background, has excellent submission defense, and is generally well-rounded. His weakness' are that his punches come from loopy angles and his takedown defense. With Penn's incredible takedown defense and balance it would be tough for Fedor to put him on his back (remember, he has no size or strength advantage). That means the fight would likely stay on the feet. Fedor has the power to knock out anyone but I won't believe Penn can be KO'd until it happens. Penn also has the best jab in MMA and every time Fedor winds up to throw one of those loopy punches, he'll likely eat a stinging jab. I don't think Penn can finish Fedor because his survival ability is legendary but I do think he can jab out strike him en route to a decision.

BJ Penn vs. Lyoto Machida: Machida is the more well-rounded striker and has good takedown defense. When they fought in 2005, Machida won the decision but Penn put up a hell of a fight despite fighting three weight classes above his usual division. In that fight he did a good job of getting inside, clinching with Machida, and tried to make it a Randy Couture type fight. I think he would do much of the same the second time around only this time he wouldn't be bloated or be at a 29 pound size disadvantage (Machida fought at 220, Penn fought at 191). If Penn is able to clinch with Machida then it's very possible that Penn takes him down and works his ground game for a submission victory.

BJ Penn vs. Anderson Silva: This would seem like the easiest fight for Penn. On the feet he wouldn't stand a chance. Again, I don't believe Penn can be KO'd until I see it but if anyone can do it, it would be Anderson Silva. As good as Penn's boxing is, Silva's boxing is better and Silva uses a more variety of strikes. Silva has one giant weakness though and that's his takedown defense. Even though Penn isn't a great wrestler, his wrestling is certainly good enough to get Silva to the ground and from there it would be all Penn. Silva is a black belt in BJJ but there's a difference between just being a black belt and being BJ Penn. I don't think Silva would survive very long with Penn on top of him.

BJ Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre: GSP holds two victories over Penn. The first was a close decision victory and the second one was a dominating ass kicking. I believe the size and strength of St. Pierre played a lot into both victories. Just on skills though GSP is the toughest fight for Penn. On top of having the best wrestling in MMA he's extremely well-rounded.

Quick tangent. Last week I wrote that Josh Koscheck has the most explosive wrestling in the Welterweight division and a reader questioned me by thinking I had forgotten about St. Pierre. Obviously I didn't. I believe GSP has the best MMA wrestling because on top of being explosive he's great at using his striking to set up the takedown and using his timing to duck under his opponents strikes in order to get a takedown. That's great MMA wrestling. As far as just explosiveness, meaning just shooting a double or single leg with no striking set up or counter, I'll take Koscheck narrowly over St. Pierre.

With size and strength being equal I don't think either man is able to put the other on their back. That means things would turn into a striking contest and if that were to happen, I like Penn's power and chin over St. Pierre's. Of course GSP could out strike Penn en route to a decision but I tend to favor someone like Penn on the feet (great hands, great power, amazing chin) over someone like GSP (great striking, good power, solid chin).



A combination of all four fighters is what is needed to defeat Penn. Fedor's chin/recovery ability and submission defense, Silva's striking and power, St. Pierre's wrestling, and Machida's luck with the judges. When someone like that comes around at Lightweight, that's when we'll see BJ Penn be defeated in that weight class. Until that time the only fighters who will beat Penn are fighters who are not only really good fighters but also have a distinct physical advantage over him.

Major UFC/WEC News




On January 20, Brock Lesnar announced that he is healthy and ready to return to the Octagon in the summer. His first fight will be against the winner of Shane Carwin vs. Frank Mir.

I'm glad Lesnar is healthy and ready to go. He described his recovery as a "miracle" and he's had to make major changes in his diet in order to avoid this happening again. I guess that means no more Coors Light. Lesnar was reportedly fighting at less than 100% in the past but thanks to this "miracle" and a new diet, he'll be better than ever. That's not scary at all.

The rumor is that he'll be ready to go by UFC 114 in May but I don't think that's when he'll make his return. That date would only give the Mir vs. Carwin winner two months to prepare after they have their fight in March. I just don't see them taking the fight two months after their fight because there's a major risk of over-training, especially for Mir who would be competing in his third fight in seven months. The more likely date is July in Vegas or August in Boston. That timeframe allows him and his opponent enough time to get in a full training camp and be ready to go.

Despite Lesnar announcing that he'll be back, the fight between Frank Mir and Shane Carwin is still for the Interim Heavyweight title. I've never been a fan of the Interim title and it's essentially useless when you know that the Interim champions next fight is against the real champion. The only reason for it is to have the fight as a five round fight, which if that's the case then they should just make every #1 contenders fight five rounds.

Major Strikeforce/Miscellaneous News




Strikeforce: Miami is this Saturday, January 30. The event will air live on Showtime. Here is the card:

*Strikeforce Welterweight Title Fight: Nick Diaz vs. Marius Zaromskis
*Strikefore Womens Title Fight: Cris "Cyborg" Santos © vs. Marloes Coenen
*Robbie Lawler vs. Melvin Manhoef
*Bobby Lashley vs. Wes Sims
*Herschel Walker vs. Greg Nagy


If you forgot about this event, I can't say I blame you as Diaz apparently forget about it as well when trying to promote it on a recent conference call.

The main event is intriguing though. Zaromskis comes to America with a lot of hype behind him thanks to an impressive run in DREAM that saw him capture the DREAM Welterweight title. I like Zaromskis and I think he's a good fighter but it's tough for me to pick him against Diaz. Zaromskis is an explosive striker with KO power but Diaz has an excellent chin/recovery ability. We all know about Diaz' striking. He throws 500 strikes per round with little power but by the third round you're so tired of getting hit that the fight goes to the ground and you get finished. Diaz has an excellent ground game and although Zaromskis has never been submitted, he's also never faced a guy with Diaz' level of grappling ability. If the fight stays on the feet, and it likely will because that's Zaromskis' strength and Diaz isn't afraid to strike with anyone even though it's not always the smartest move, then it should be a hell of a scrap. I favor Diaz simply because he's fought and beat good competition while Zaromskis has never fought good competition.

I fear for the life of Marloes Coenen. She looked impressive in Chicago against Roxanne Modafferi but I don't know how anyone can pick against Santos right now unless she's facing Erin Toughill. Santos is a lot like the PRIDE version of Wanderlei Silva. She's bigger than a lot of her opponents and she fights like an insane woman looking to killer whoever stands in her way. Coenen is a submission grappler though and Santos' career loss was via kneebar so there's a chance that Coenen pulls off a huge upset but I don't see it happening.

Manhoef vs. Lawler could be a really fun stand up battle or you typical Manhoef vs. Grappler fight. Lawler seems like an egotistical fighter so I think he'll stand with Manhoef in order to try and prove a point. The point he'll end up proving is that Manhoef is a scary man on his feet because if he tries to trade strikes with the Dutch kickboxer, he'll go to sleep. Lawler isn't a great wrestler but he trains with Matt Hughes at the HIT squad and I don't think Manhoef has ever trained wrestling or submission in his life. I'm picking Manhoef to win though just because I don't think Lawler will try to get things to the ground.



Does anyone really care about Lashley vs. Sims or Walker vs. Nagy? Didn't think so.

I want Bobby Lashley to succeed in MMA but I have no interest in him if he continues to fight guys like Wes Sims. I understand bringing him along slowly but don't make him a large focus of the event and then have him fight someone like Wes Sims. The same goes for Herschel Walker. If you're going to put these guys on the poster and have them do media rounds, make sure they're fighting guys who the people want to see or have a future in the sport. Wes Sims, as much as I love his personality and antics, isn't a good fighter and I'd be shocked if Greg Nagy ever became anything more than a mid-level fighter at best. If Lashley and Walker win. Great. They beat guys no one cares about and guys who most people know aren't very good. If they lose then it just proves that they're farces in MMA and Strikeforce has wasted their time promoting them.

Lashley should roll through Sims. He'll take him down, beat the hell out of him, and the ref will stop it. It will look impressive and essentially mean nothing.

I don't know what to expect for Herschel Walker. Some people think I've been harsh on Walker as of late but I don't agree. I respect that Walker is trying his hand at MMA and that he's training at American Kickboxing Academy, which shows that he's at least trying. He's reportedly in great shape and a physical freak of nature but he's 47 years old and spent his entire physical prime as a NFL running back, a position with the shortest shelf life in all of pro sports because of how much abuse your body takes, and he's trying MMA for the first time. In recent interviews he's failed to plug the show he's fighting on, the company he's fighting for and he can't remember what year he won the Heisman trophy. This is due to suffering from multiple personality disorder, which would have me worried if I were a promoter.

Walker will likely beat Nagy but I really hope he loses or doesn't look impressive. He needs to get out of the sport before he and Strikeforce think he's better than he really is, match him up against someone who actually has talent, and ends up severely injured.

Strikeforce events usually end up being good because a lot of their fights are mismatches so you get a lot impressive performances.

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BJ may be the best fighter in his weight class, but he isn't the best in the UFC. That would either go to Anderson Silva or GSP, who i'm still waiting for those two to throw down

Posted By: redheartsandeyes (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 12:18 AM

 
 
Dude, did you not just fucking read this dude thread, he said if there wasn't any weight classes and comparing them on the same level he's only saying BJ has the best skills in the game.... Which I agree and trust me I am not a BJ nut hugger.

Posted By: Chewb (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 12:43 AM

 
 
TANK ABBOTT BEST EVA

Posted By: CUMDOGMILLIONAIRE (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 12:52 AM

 
 
Yeah um no. BJ lost to GSP twice. BJ is the best ever.....except for GSP.

Posted By: gfg (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 01:11 AM

 
 
Hate the first poster. Read the article before commenting.

I too believe BJ penn has the better all around skills; but I still am not sure if he would beat Fedor due to one thing....Fedor's mental toughness. Till Fedor loses (by knock out or submission or even decision), I just cannot count him out in this imaginary "weight-class less" fight.


Posted By: Fez (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 01:28 AM

 
 
well if we took away weight advantages then thats not saying "BJ penn is the best fighter in the world" thats saying "BJ penn is the most skilled fighter" skill and best don't always go together.

Posted By: bullfrog24 (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 01:52 AM

 
 
intriguing article,rating fighters on skill set alone is an interesting idea,

I think Fedor's skill in the clinch with throws and sweeps,etc would help him out quite a bit against BJ something guys like florian and sanchez should look into


Posted By: j (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 02:05 AM

 
 
skills...id say gsp takes it

it's incredibly hard to disagree when u consider that they fought a year ago, both weighed in at 170, and gsp ANNIHILATED him

jiu-jitsu i'll give to bj, everything else gsp


Posted By: mae (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 09:45 AM

 
 
Think you're overrating BJ a bit. Even with everything made equal, I still see the likes of Fedor & GSP managing to take him down, and in turn I'm not sure BJ is capable of taking down Silva & Machida, who both have underrated takedown defenses.

Not saying he'd lose to all of those guys, and the differences are certainly minor at this level, but with everything equal I'd say the best would be either Fedor or GSP. Mileage may vary of course.


Posted By: Vordeo (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 10:07 AM

 
 
Skill for skill, you have a point that BJ may be the most physically skilled fighter in the world. What is confusing people is how can the most physically skilled fighter lose?
Well there is conditioning, but he seems to have fixed that. Then there is size, which has always hurt him since he is a natural lightweight (by natural I mean that he will pretty much be at 155 after a hard training camp without any dubious methods). Lastly, there is the mental aspect, which is HUGE. Mentally, Fedor, GSP, Anderson Silva, and Machida have an edge on BJ. Look how frustrated BJ got in his loss to Hughes after the first GSP fight.

I also tend to agree with the argument that Kos may be a more explosive wrestler than GSP. GSP is damn explosive for sure, and overall is the better wrestler (in an MMA context at least), but Kos looks like he is going to put his opponents through the cage with his takedowns sometimes. I honestly think we may see Kos finish a fight with a takedown one day! Dude probably power cleans double body weight!


Posted By: guest guest (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM

 
 
could not agree more. lucky for everyone BJ doesn't have the size of anderson silva or he would hold the middleweight and light heavyweight titles for sure....

Posted By: phil (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 10:48 AM

 
 
In Penn's toughest fight (the second loss to GSP) he quit. He literally just gave up because he couldn't do anymore. If we're talking about intangibles like resolve and recovery power, BJ Penn should take a hit in the perseverance category.

Guys like GSP and Fedor have bounced back from tough rounds to go on to take the victory.


Posted By: .... (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM

 
 
Is this Sherdog??? Am I reading a trolling post from some whitebelt???

When did they let BJ nut huggers get their own columns???

He lost to GSP twice deal with it move on!!! No need to make excuses that is what Tito Ortiz is for.


Posted By: ERX (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 01:14 PM

 
 
Isn't there still an undeafted women's fighter named Kauffman or something? Her vs Cyborg would be an interesting fight!

Posted By: Steve (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 02:55 PM

 
 
Its a failed train of thought. The article says BJ is the best fighter in the world, and thats simply not true. GSP is better, and Im wagering that if Fedor fought BJ, he'd win too. I understand the guy is saying he has the best skill set of any fighter, but even then I'd take GSP over Penn.This article is a BJ nuthugger but trying(and failing) to sound like it isnt.

Posted By: fdf (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 03:03 PM

 
 
apparently everyone is retarded and so ignorant AND dont know how to read...

BJ IS THE MOST SKILLED FIGHTER IN THE WORLD!
theres a reason why in GSPvsPenn 2.. second round. greg jackson told gsp to kick box him that round... first 30 seconds, as gsp tried to engage, he got caught by 2 jabs and a right hand.. wat does he do.. clinches and uses his power and size for a takedown ... tats all i gotta say.. gsp didnt want a GSPvsPenn 1 happenin again


Posted By: wylun (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 03:15 PM

 
 
Unless you assume that physical prowess has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, than I must disagree. I understand your point, that this discussion is not about wieght class, but you still need to take into account the physicality of the fighters. It is just as important as any other aspect of fighting.

I can agree that he may be ever so slightly more talented than GSP, but GSP more than make up for it with, strength, speed, and cardio. Which in my opinion is much a skill as any other aspect of MMA.

Penn may be the most "skilled" fighter in the world. But he is not the "best" fighter in the world.

Physicality is as important as any other aspect of MMA.


Posted By: not so sure (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 04:39 PM

 
 
A combination of all four fighters is what is needed to defeat Penn. Fedor's chin/recovery ability and submission defense, Silva's striking and power, St. Pierre's wrestling, and Machida's luck with the judges.

Did you really just say that Machida is lucky with the judges? He won a really close fight against Rua that went to the judges. Name me another fight that he got "lucky" with the judges. That's quite the stupid comment from someone that writes an MMA column. I guess if I ever get bored I can just come and write for 411mania.


Posted By: Guest#4228 (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 04:47 PM

 
 
The problem with this whole premise is the idea that fighters just are their skills.

Rather you should look at a fighters skill set as an evolution of their personal history. Certain fighters do not develop certain skills because their body type might already provide in that area.

Any PFP claims do not take this into account. Most of the time these debates center on removing the higher weight classes advantage, and bringing them down to the lower weight. Then you match up skill for skill removing size.

However if we were to move BJ up to HW, how would his skill set change as a result of his body type? Would he lose some of that flexibility and speed?

The point being is any argument centered on trying to determine a fighters skill set in relation to other weight classes is ridiculous.

BJ is the best lightweight fighter in the world, and that is all we know for sure, and all that SHOULD matter.

Stop these ridiculous hypothetical arguments and instead focus on how good he is in his own weight class, and what would it take for him to lose.


Posted By: Anon (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 04:55 PM

 
 
Yeah um no. BJ lost to GSP twice. BJ is the best ever.....except for GSP.

Posted By: gfg (Guest) on January 25, 2010 at 01:11 AM

read the fucking artical again and take your time to understand whats being said then you'll see whats being said


Posted By: nick Presented by M-1 Global (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 05:50 PM

 
 
Nope.........Pacquiao is.

Posted By: ChrisVazquez (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 06:48 PM

 
 
far too much BJ Penn love and BJ pedestalling in this. He is no doubt the greatest in his weight class, maybe of all time, but that doesnt make him the greatest fighter in relevant weight classes. i think fedor and macheda would easily outdo him if they were relevant weight classed.

Posted By: Guest#3120 (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 06:54 PM

 
 
wylun, wylun, wylun...You seriously are using GSP vs Penn (2) as a reason as to why Penn is the better fighter?

Really? Seriously? enough said indeed. You my friend, are a idiot.


Posted By: Guest#6209 (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 08:58 PM

 
 
Anon makes a good point too. Strength is a skill, as is cardio, balance, coordination, etc as the ability to use one's size (not size itself). Yes certain people are genetically programmed to be bigger and stronger, and thus as Anon points out, they develop a different set of skills than say a guy like Dustin Hazelett, who is naturally programmed to be as weak as a kitten and had to train diligently for years to gain athletic strtength and speed. The pound for pound arguments completely ignore these facts.
If we had a magic machine that could shrink Fedor to 155 and he fought BJ then Fedor probably would lose because he hasn't trained his whole adult life in a 155lb body. Just like if we magically blew Penn up to 6'1" and 230lbs to face Fedor, he would probably lose because he would not be accustomed to the body size. Imagine BJ dropping into the split-like takedown defense he used against Hughes at 230lbs- his his knee and hip may explode on the spot from dropping into that position at that speed at that body weight!


Posted By: guest guest (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 09:46 PM

 
 
It is really hard to compare fighters within different weight classes. Their body types perform differently at various body weight. If you wish to compare skills well that is a different story. I believe GSP edges out BJ’s. GSP has better cardio, explosiveness, strength (even if they would be at the same weight let us say 160lbs), speed, agility and he is more athletic(even Penn admitted it and that is why his camp claims that GSP is using steroids because GSP is freakishly unnatural). If it would be a boxing match or BJJ then BJ wins even though I believe GSP’s jab has improved so much that it is currently better than Penn’s. Grappling, I think GSP is too explosive for BJ’s defense. Kickboxing, GSP is again better. Chin, no doubt Penn is one of the few in MMA that can withstand a concussion without physically showing it (that skin just does not break or scar). Strategy, GSP’s camp is top notch and this is where I find BJ Penn lacks the most is how to set up the perfect strategy. This is not the early 90‘s where everything goes and you just wing it; you need intelligence on the mat and GSP is one of the smartest fighters in MMA. With that being said GSP is the best one in MMA to put it all together and no one can deny that. My five favorite MMA fighters are in order GSP,BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Jose Aldo.

Posted By: guest (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 09:54 PM

 
 
It is really hard to compare fighters within different weight classes. Their body types perform differently at various body weight. If you wish to compare skills well that is a different story. I believe GSP edges out BJ’s. GSP has better cardio, explosiveness, strength (even if they would be at the same weight let us say 160lbs), speed, agility and he is more athletic(even Penn admitted it and that is why his camp claims that GSP is using steroids because GSP is freakishly unnatural). If it would be a boxing match or BJJ then BJ wins even though I believe GSP’s jab has improved so much that it is currently better than Penn’s. Grappling, I think GSP is too explosive for BJ’s defense. Kickboxing, GSP is again better. Chin, no doubt Penn is one of the few in MMA that can withstand a concussion without physically showing it (that skin just does not break or scar). Strategy, GSP’s camp is top notch and this is where I find BJ Penn lacks the most is how to set up the perfect strategy. This is not the early 90‘s where everything goes and you just wing it; you need intelligence on the mat and GSP is one of the smartest fighters in MMA. With that being said GSP is the best one in MMA to put it all together and no one can deny that. My five favorite MMA fighters are in order GSP,BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Jose Aldo.

Posted By: guest (Guest)  on January 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM

 
 
We already saw GSP's wrestling against BJ's takedown defense: He stopped it for one round, but got taken down and obliterated for 3 straight rounds.

And the weight difference was only like 2 pounds. Not like GSP came in weighing like Lesnar.


Posted By: Anonguy (Guest)  on January 26, 2010 at 12:42 AM

 
 
this guy really likes BJ Penn. he forgot that the other fighters implement strategy when they fight.

Posted By: wolvie316 (Guest)  on January 26, 2010 at 03:08 AM

 
 
when talking about Anderson Silva on the ground 2 important things have been missed. First of all, his defensive Jiu Jitsu is very underrated. Lutter, Marquardt and Henderson got him down and did next to nothing.

Secondly, when it comes to Ground and Pound, having recently watched the Marquardt fight again, you can quite clearly see him dodging punches and elbows that are coming down...his reflexes are unparalleled by anyone in MMA.

I understand your reasoning for believing that Penn would win based on skill alone, but to say he would be the easiest fight out of the 4 guys you mentioned I think is a bit of a stretch


Posted By: Franco Baresi (Guest)  on January 26, 2010 at 09:50 AM

 
 
And the weight difference was only like 2 pounds. Not like GSP came in weighing like Lesnar.

Posted By: Anonguy (Guest) on January 26, 2010 at 12:42 AM

At weigh-ins yes, but GSP cut to make it down there. He normally walks around at the 180+ level so come fight night, that's what he weighs. BJ ballooned up and was only upper 160's at weigh ins and wouldn't have gotten much more than that if at all.


Posted By: Steve (Guest)  on January 26, 2010 at 04:23 PM

 


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