411 MMA Rankings 03.16.10: Pound for Pound
Posted by Jonathan Solomon on 03.16.2010
411mania MMA Rankings present the best pound for pound fighters in the world. Can Georges St. Pierre or Fedor Emelianenko displace PFP king Anderson Silva? After suffering defeats, what happens to Minotauro Nogueira, Miguel Torres and Brian Bowles? Read on to see which fighters return and which fighters are ranked for the first time.
Welcome to the latest pound for pound rankings on the glorious internet as 411mania MMA Rankings dish out another week chock full of elite fighters. Right down to business, three top fifteen ranked fighters competed since the last time they were ranked. Miguel Torres fought Joseph Benavidez, and lost. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira fought Cain Velasquez, and lost. Brian Bowles fought Dominick Cruz, and lost. What does this mean?
To put it bluntly, three new spots opened up on our rankings. A combination of old and new faces benefitted and the second half of these rankings looks a lot different than last time.
Speaking of looking different, we will rank the P4P mythical division again at the end of April. That means nine of the ranked fighters below will have seen action between now and then. For all we know, perhaps the top ranked fighters lose and create nothing short of CHAOS as the 411 MMA staff tries to make sense of it all.
Hey, it could happen.
Here's a look at all those match-ups: Jose Aldo vs. Urijah Faber, Mike Brown vs. Manny Gamburyan, BJ Penn vs. Frankie Edgar, GSP vs. Dan Hardy, Anderson Silva vs. Demian Maia, Jake Shields vs. Dan Henderson and Gegard Mousasi vs. King Mo. Two fights include match-ups where both men are ranked so at least two are guaranteed to lose (well, unless there's a draw, so disregard that).
As for now, the one match-up I want to discuss before moving on, is the Strikeforce middleweight title fight. Jake Shields faces his biggest challenger in Dan Henderson in a fight which most consider Shields the major underdog. If Shields can come through with the upset and someone wished to place him high in the top five, I don't know that I can argue against it. However, if he loses, does he return to being the boring guy who is just too small to stay atop the middleweight division? We shall see.
Here's some feedback to last week's lightweight rankings.
From A. Coolman:
That Sherk action figure's arms are actual size. You know it.
From SoulBrotherNo1
Solid rankings. I would change Alvarez and Florian,but thats debatable. And I dont think Bendo deserves a top15 ranking,maybe I would put in Sotiropoulos instead of him,but this is just nitpicking,solid list overall. Why does Henderson not deserve a top 15 ranking? He beat both Donald Cerrone and Jamie Varner. I'm not 100% certain but I know at least one, if not both, were ranked prior to their losses.
From Jared B.
Sotiropolous deserves ranking a lot more than Sherk and GZ who haven't fought in a year. Perhaps over JZ, who has not fought since 2007. It's an argument.
From GeeSpotter
Decent list. I like how Daniel spelled Jenny Florian.
Is Frankie Edgar more of an underdog than Matt Serra was against GSP? I think not I guess it depends. I saw Serra as having an impossible chance, just like I see Edgar as having an impossible chance.
From pikey
This list needs to have to catogories. BJ Penn and then the 1-15 Rankings. That way solomon can have his Aoki #1 Penn is the best lightweight from a skill standpoint. However, Aoki does have the competition to warrant a top ranking.
From mae
joe stevenson out of the rankings so quick? he has a very impressive year minus a home town loss to sotiropoulos (i doubt i spelled that correct)
besides that, solid list as usual Well, Stevenson was not a highly ranked fighter so the loss to George cost him some votes of confidence.
From Rob
I officiallly give no credit to this panels' rankings. Terrible.
Take 25 lightweight fighters, put there name in a hat, and pull out the rankings, they may make more sense. What's so horrible about these 411 Lightweight rankings?
From 401k
Good list. Though the 3rd guy was calling him JENNY Florian because he hates the guy. Simple typo, but still funny. I will say for all the great things in the UFC, their no.1 contender situations can be shaky at best in every division. No MMAth needed, Gray beat Frankie. Penn could fight a broom and sell PPV's so I dont buy the notion of 'creating the most exciting fight'. Penn destorys both of them so its not too big of a deal, but it just seems like no.1 contender is fuzzy in every division but light heavy.. Often, the number one contender is whomever is available and able to fight on a given card. Sometimes they may be the true top contender, others, not so much. Things happen so you will rarely get such perfect match-ups. This isn't to say Edgar doesn't deserve the title shot, because he does.
From Kyle
Whats up with Daniel's ranking of jenny Florian? I am sure he meant kenny but still funny none the less. I'd bet, Mr. Bonnizzio missed the 'K'. Otherwise, perhaps there is a fighting Florian sister only he knows about.
From SoulBrotherNo1
"Jonathan Solomon
1. Shinya Aoki
2. B.J. Penn"
SOLOMON Should be FUCKING FIRED for this BLASPHEMOUS pick!
Posted By: Guest#1446 (Guest) on March 09, 2010 at 11:17 AM
well,he defeated bigger names in the last 2 years than BJ. Accomplishment-wise,Aoki should be #1. Even though I think BJ would destroy him. Indeed. The argument is valid if you want to argue for Aoki over Penn. Aoki has defeated some of the biggest lightweight names and more of them, than Penn has since winning the UFC belt.
From MJH
Josh Neer, not even a top 15 UFC lightweight, beating Alvarez would blow up this entire list and kae you have to start looking a little bit harder at just how good the UFC guys not named BJ are.
I would like to see Aussie George on this list before Henderson as well. Already picking the upset are we? Give Alvarez at least a bit of credit, no?
Sure George laid the smackdown on Stevenson, but why the Henderson hate out of nowhere?
From saerbarnet
Having fighters in the top 10 that hasn't won in 3 years (JZ) seems kind of strange to me.. Take em off the top 10 until they win again imo. Well, I have not ranked JZ in a few months so I would agree. I'd like to see him compete again before ranking him as either as some of my colleagues.
Thank you for the comments, they are always much appreciated.
Pound for Pound Rankings from Last Year (03/24/2009)
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Anderson Silva
4. Miguel Torres
5. Lyoto Machida
6. BJ Penn
7. Urijah Faber
8. Rashad Evans
9. Rampage Jackson
10. Jon Fitch
11. Shinya Aoki
12. Mike Brown
13. Forrest Griffin
14. Dan Henderson
15. Kid Yamamoto
THE CREW
The 411 MMA staff has decided to pull back the curtain and reveal the great 411 Oz. After some consideration, for the the first time in the soon-to-be two-year history of 411 MMA Rankings that you will be able to see which knucklehead put which fighter where.
So here are the nuts and bolts, the breakdown of the rankings from your favorite 411 MMA personalities:
Jeffrey Harris
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. BJ Penn
4. Jose Aldo
5. Fedor Emelianenko
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Mauricio Rua
9. Dan Henderson
10. Jake Shields
11. Mike Brown
12. Urijah Faber
13. Cain Velasquez
14. Antontio Rodrigo Nogueira
15. Miguel Torres
Samer Kadi
1-Anderson Silva
2-GSP
3-Fedor
4-BJ Penn
5-Lyoto Machida
6-Jose Aldo
7-Shogun Rua
8-Gegard Mousasi
9-Rampage Jackson
10-Dan Henderson
11-Mike Brown
12-Urijah Faber
13-Rashad Evans
14-Cain Velasquez
15-Dominick Cruz
Daniel Bonnizzio
1) KING Georges St-Pierre
2) Anderson Silva
3) Fedor Emelianenko
4) Lyoto Machida
5) BJ Penn
6) Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
7) Jose Aldo
8) Dan Henderson
9) Gegard Mousasi
10) Jon Fitch
11) Mike Brown
12) Rashad Evans
13) Jake Shields
14) Urijah Faber
15) Cain Velasquez
Scott Kuczkowski
1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Gegard Mousasi
7. Mauricio Shogun Rua
8. Dan Henderson
9. Jose Aldo
10. Cain Velasquez
11. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
12. Kenny Florian
13. Jake Shields
14. Urijah Faber
15. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Jonathan Solomon
1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. BJ Penn
5. Jose Aldo
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Gegard Mousasi
8. Shogun Rua
9. Dan Henderson
10. Quinton Jackson
11. Mike Brown
12. Rashad Evans
13. Urijah Faber
14. Cain Velasquez
15. Jake Shields
411's MMA Ranking Rules
- If a fighter hasn't fought in a year, he can not be ranked. It's not fair to people who are fighting to not be ranked because a fighter is taking a year off. The rule also applies to specific divisions. If a fighter hasn't fought in a weight division in a year he is no longer eligible to be ranked. However, if a fighter schedules a fight he is still eligible for being ranked.
- If a fighter appears on just one single ballot, and in the top ten, five points shall be deducted to balance out between other fighters who may have been ranked lower, but appeared on more total ballots.
- If you wish to complain about a fighter's ranking in the comments section, then please include an objective reason as to why you don't like the ranking, and remember "if u rite lik thiss" then your opinion doesn't matter.
411's MMA Rankings
Pound For Pound
1) Anderson Silva (25-4)
Height: 6'2
Birthday: April 14, 1975
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Forrest Griffin - Win via KO - UFC 101: Declaration - August 8, 2009
- vs. Thales Leites - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 97: Redemption - April 17, 2009
- vs. Patrick Cote - Win via TKO (injured knee) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. James Irvin - Win via KO (punches) - UFC: Fight Night 14 - July 19, 2008
- vs. Dan Henderson - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 82: Pride of a Champion - March 1, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Demian Maia - UFC 112 - April 10, 2010
2) Georges St. Pierre (19-2)
Height: 5'10
Birthday: May 19, 1981
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Thiago Alves - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. BJ Penn - Win via TKO (corner stoppage) - UFC 94: St Pierre vs. Penn 2 - January 31, 2009
- vs. Jon Fitch - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Matt Serra - Win via TKO (knees to body) - UFC 83: Serra vs. St. Pierre II - April 19, 2008
- vs. Matt Hughes - Win via verbal submission (arm bar) - UFC 79: Nemesis - December 29, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Dan Hardy - UFC 111 - March 27, 2010
Comment: You can check out the hype for GSP/Hardy every Tuesday night on Spike at this time as UFC PRIMETIME is airing. Can GSP handle the Matt Serra-coached Dan Hardy?
3) Fedor Emelianenko (30-1)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: September 28, 1976
Currently fighting with: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Brett Rogers - Win via KO (punch) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Win via KO (punch) - Affliction: Day Of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Tim Sylvia - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Affliction: Banned - July 19, 2008
- vs. Hong Man Choi - Win via submission (arm bar) - Yarennoka - New Year's Eve 2007 - December 31, 2007
- vs. Matt Lindland - Win via submission (arm bar) - BodogFight: Clash of the Nations - April 14, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment: M-1 Global has said to expect Fedor's return sometime this summer. We shall see.
4) BJ Penn (15-5-1)
Height: 5'9
Birthday: December 13, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Diego Sanchez - Win via TKO (cuts) - UFC 107: Penn vs. Sanchez - December 12, 2009
- vs. Kenny Florian - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 101: Declaration - August 8, 2009
- vs. Georges St. Pierre - Loss via TKO (corner stoppage) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 - January 31, 2009
- vs. Sean Sherk - Win via TKO (knees and punches) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
- vs. Joe Stevenson - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 80: Rapid Fire - January 19, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Frankie Edgar - UFC 112 - April 10, 2010
5) Lyoto Machida (16-0)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: May 3, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Shogun Rua - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun - October 24, 2009
- vs. Rashad Evans - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Thiago Silva - Win via KO (punches) - UFC 94: St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 - January 31, 2009
- vs. Tito Ortiz - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
- vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou - Win via submission (arm triangle choke) - UFC 79: Nemesis - December 29, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Shogun Rua - UFC 113 - May 8, 2010
6) Jose Aldo (16-1)
Height: 5'7
Birthday: September 9, 1986
Currently Fighting With: WEC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Mike Brown - Win via TKO (strikes) - WEC 44: Brown vs. Aldo - November 18, 2009
- vs. Cub Swanson - Win via TKO (flying knee) - WEC 41: Brown vs. Faber II - June 7, 2009
- vs. Chris Mickle - Win via TKO (strikes) - WEC 39: Brown vs. Garcia - March 1, 2009
- vs. Ronaldo Perez - Win via TKO (strikes) - WEC 38: Varner vs. Cerrone - January 25, 2009
- vs. Jonathan Brookins - Win via TKO (strikes) - WEC 36: Faber vs. Brown - November 5, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Urijah Faber - WEC 48: Aldo vs. Faber - April 24, 2010
7) Gegard Mousasi (31-2-1)
Height: 6'0
Birthday: August 1, 1985
Currently Fighting With: DREAM and Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Gary Goodridge - Win via TKO (strikes) - K-1 Dynamite!! 2009 - December 31, 2009
- vs. Sokoudjou - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Babalu Sobral - Win via KO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg - August 15, 2009
- vs. Mark Hunt - Win via submission (kimura) - DREAM 9: Featherweight Grand Prix 2009 Second Round - May 26, 2009
- vs. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza - Win via KO (upkick) - DREAM 6: Middleweight Grand Prix 2008 - September 23, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. King Mo Lawal - Strikeforce on CBS - April 17, 2010
8) Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-4)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: November 25, 1981
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Lyoto Machida - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 104: Dragon vs. Shogun - October 24, 2009
- vs. Chuck Liddell - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 97: Redemption - April 18, 2009
- vs. Mark Coleman - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 93: Franklin vs. Henderson - January 17, 2009
- vs. Forrest Griffin - Loss via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 76: Knockout - September 22, 2007
- vs. Alistair Overeem - Win via KO (strikes) - PRIDE 33: Second Coming - February 24, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Lyoto Machida - UFC 113 - May 8, 2010
9) Dan Henderson (25-7)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: August 24, 1970
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Michael Bisping - Win via KTFO (punch of doom) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Rich Franklin - Win via decision (split) - UFC 93: Franklin vs. Henderson - January 17, 2009
- vs. Rousimar Palhares - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 88: Breakthrough - September 6, 2008
- vs. Anderson Silva - Loss via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 82: Pride of a Champion - March 1, 2008
- vs. Quinton Jackson - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 75: Champion vs. Champion - September 8, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Jake Shields - Strikeforce on CBS - April 17, 2010
10) Mike Brown (23-5)
Height: 5'6"
Birthday: September 8, 1975
Currently Fighting With: WEC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Anthony Morrison - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - WEC 46: Varner vs. Henderson - January 10, 2010
- vs. Jose Aldo - Loss via TKO (strikes) - WEC 44: Brown vs. Aldo - November 18, 2009
- vs. Urijah Faber - Win via decision (unanimous) - WEC 41: Brown vs. Faber 2 - June 7, 2009
- vs. Leonard Garcia - Win by submission (arm & triangle choke) - WEC 39 - March 1, 2009
- vs. Urijah Faber - Win by TKO (punches) - WEC 36 - November 5, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Manny Gamburyan - WEC 48: Aldo vs. Faber - April 24, 2010
Comment: A win for Mike Brown at WEC 48 and he will likely receive a title shot at the Aldo/Faber winner. Either rematch would be huge, especially Faber/Brown 3!
11) Urijah Faber (23-3-1)
Height: 5'6
Birthday: May 14, 1979
Currently Fighting With: WEC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Raphael Assuncao - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - WEC 36: Varner vs. Henderson - January 10, 2010
- vs. Mike Brown - Loss via decision (unanimous) - WEC 41: Brown vs. Faber 2 - June 7, 2009
- vs. Jens Pulver - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - WEC 38: Varner vs. Cerrone - January 25, 2009
- vs. Mike Brown - Loss via knockout (punches) - WEC 36: Faber vs. Brown - November 5, 2008
- vs. Jens Pulver - Win via decision (unanimous) - WEC 34: Faber vs. Pulver - June 1, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Jose Aldo - WEC 48: Aldo vs. Faber - April 24, 2010
Comment: Faber returns to the P4P rankings after missing out last month. Faber can certainly get back on the horse with a big win over Jose Aldo next month. Or not?
12) Cain Velasquez (8-0)
Height: 6'2
Weight: 242
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 110: Nogueira vs. Velasquez - February 20, 2010
- vs. Ben Rothwell - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 104 - October 24, 2009
- vs. Cheick Kongo - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Denis Stojnic - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC Fight Night 17 - February 7, 2009
- vs. Jake O'Brien - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC: Silva vs. Irvin - July 19, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment: Velasquez moves onto the ranked P4P list for the first time following his destruction of Big Nog last month.
13) Quinton "Rampage" Jackson (30-7)
Height: 6'1
Birthday: June 20, 1978
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Keith Jardine - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine - March 7, 2009
- vs. Wanderlei Silva - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 92: The Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Forrest Griffin - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin - July 5, 2008
- vs. Dan Henderson - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 75: Champion vs. Champion - September 8, 2007
- vs. Chuck Liddell - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 71: Liddell vs. Jackson - May 26, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Rashad Evans - UFC 114 - May 29, 2010
14) Rashad Evans (14-1-1)
Height: 5'11
Birthday: September 25, 1979
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Thiago Silva - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 108: Evans vs. Silva - January 2, 2010
- vs. Lyoto Machida - Loss via knockout (punches) - UFC 98: Evans vs. Machida - May 23, 2009
- vs. Forrest Griffin - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 92: The Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Chuck Liddell - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 88: Breakthrough - September 6, 2008
- vs. Michael Bisping - Win via decision (split) - UFC 78: Validation - November 17, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Rampage Jackson - UFC 114 - May 29, 2010
15) Jake Shields (24-4-1)
Height: 5'11
Birthday: January 9, 1979
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Jason Miller - Win via decision (unanimous) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Robbie Lawler - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - Strikeforce on Showtime - June 6, 2009
- vs. Paul Daley - Win via submission (armbar) - EliteXC "Heat" - October 4, 2008
- vs. Nick Thompson - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - EliteXC: Unfinished Business - July 26, 2008
- vs. Mike Pyle - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - EliteXC: Renegade - November 10, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Dan Henderson - Strikeforce on CBS - April 17, 2010
Comment: Shields has a tough task ahead of him in one months time. If he can defeat Dan Henderson, you can bet he will shoot up all the rankings he is eligible for.
Closing Comments: Others receiving votes include Jon Fitch, Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Kenny Florian, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Miguel Torres and Dominick Cruz.
Who besides Babalu and Sokodjui has Mousasi beaten to be ranked #7?
Posted By: RP (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 11:12 PM
Shogun is ranked too high. Although it's arguable he won his last match, the fact is in the last 3 years he has had 4 fights. 2 losses to top LHWs and 2 wins over fighters well past their prime (1 win in 3 years for Chuck, 1 in 4 years for Coleman). It's no better than Forrest's record but nobody would have him near their top 10.
I think the LHW division is overrated in general. Just because there is nobody in the division that stands out doesn't mean it's a fantastic division. All it means is they are all average.
Take out Silva, GSP or Penn from their division and they are those divisions are all probably deeper.
Posted By: Guest#3095 (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM
i believe this is more of a name list than top , not saying there great but it should be over recent battles not career, fedor-no, shogun-no, gsp-yes, silva-yes, hendo-no, cain-yes, evans-id give it to him, rampage-no, lyoto yes
Posted By: Guest#8711 (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 11:25 PM
To RP:
Mousasi has also beaten Jacare, Melvin Manhoef, and Denis Kang.
Posted By: Alex (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 11:45 PM
Mousasi ranked that high? No freakin way. The best he's done is beat 2 mid-level fighters. And Fedor, Ugh, shouldn't be ranked until he starts fighting on a consistent basis against top talent, which means that ain't gonna happen in Strikeforce/M-1 Global. I think he's ranked mostly from his legend over anything he's done lately.
Posted By: dragonmaster (Guest) on March 15, 2010 at 11:51 PM
this list is kind of a joke to me outside of the top 5.
i believe that BJ penn has a way better skill set then Fedor honestly. Bj penn has better jiu jutsu, technically has better boxing, they both aren't really known for good wrestling, and BJ penn has way better take down defense.
Posted By: bullfro24 (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 12:05 AM
i love how i brock and shane dont get a mention and cain does,if you went by 411 rankings you think he would be the ufc heavyweight champ
Posted By: frank mirs brother (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Just a general question.... Lightweight is considered to be either the deepest or second deepest division in the world. Yet no other Lightweight makes this list.... I have a hard time believing Mike Brown or Urijah Faber (who are in the developing Featherweight division remember) are Pound for Pound better than Aoki (or even Florian and Alvarez) whose accomplishments dwarf much of the list mentioned.
If Jake Shields beats Hendo, he is Top 7, bank on it.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 12:51 AM
Couple of issues. How can Aoki be no worst than the 2nd best lw (some have him 1st) yet is nowhere in the top 15? Second, no love for Nick Diaz imo he has a top 10 skill-set. Granted he might be the biggest knucklehead in all of mma, but he makes my p4p list..
Posted By: 401k (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 02:22 AM
Rampage has been inactive for over a year...shouldn't he be ineligible for the list until the fight with Rashad happens?
Posted By: Ramsey (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 02:54 AM
this list is kind of a joke to me outside of the top 5.
i believe that BJ penn has a way better skill set then Fedor honestly. Bj penn has better jiu jutsu, technically has better boxing, they both aren't really known for good wrestling, and BJ penn has way better take down defense.
Posted By: bullfro24 (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 12:05 AM
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Is his better takedown defense the reason BJ was taken down at will and overall schooled by GSP last year?
There was just a 2 pound difference between them at the weigh ins... and Fedor has fought guys well over 100lbs heavier then him and had his hand raised.
Once you factor in his skill to take on ANYONE of all shapes and sizes, Fedor easily deserves to be over Penn.
Posted By: Guest#1043 (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 04:43 AM
And where´s our Super Hluk Champion?? MINOWAMAN...
Posted By: Uchu (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 06:47 AM
dont listen to the whiners,they dont understand the meaning of a p4p list. Brock Lesnar? What makes him better POUND FOR POUND than Sherk,Warren or Sonnen? Carwin wouldnt even be in m top100
Posted By: SoulBrotherNo1 (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 07:39 AM
How can you have BJ Penn ranked higher than Machida? Penn got his ass whipped by GSP two fights ago. Machida has never lost. Enough said.
1.Machida = undefeated
2.Fedor = undefeated
3.Anderson Silva = best in the world at his weight class but he's been beaten before, 3 times to be exact
4.GSP = Matt Sera knocked his ass out two years ago
5.Rampage = only loss in many years was a close decision
Until Fedor and Machida lose they are pound for pound the best. Theres your real top 5 list.
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 09:41 AM
top 5 in my opinion..
1. Fedor (only top guy who has been fighting top competition for years and has never tapped or definitively lost)
2. A Silva (he's been tapped out a couple of times and some of his wins were less than impressive..his toying with Griffin win was awesome but not as impressive career as Fedor)
3. GSP
4. BJ Penn (he's been insanely good since the loss to St. Pierre)
5. Machida (a little bit underrated..he does not dominate the way Silva does, but he is undefeated)
Posted By: mae (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 10:09 AM
Hendersons:
- vs. Michael Bisping - Win via KTFO (punch of doom) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
HAHAHA!!
Posted By: Patrick (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 10:50 AM
I would suggest pushing GSP to the #1 position since, to the best of my knowledge, no top 5 have fought each other except GSP and BJ Penn, with GSP winning both fights. Just for that fact alone, I would argue that GSP should be #1.
Posted By: JPB (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Good list until Jake appeared
Posted By: Malibou (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Mousasi deserves to be that high. The guy has destroyed everybody and hasn't lost since 2006. And you wonder who he beat in that time period in addition to Sokodjou and "Babalu"? Throw In "Jacare" Souza, Melvin Manhoef, and Denis Kang. The guy deserves to be ranked that high.
Posted By: Greatest Man That Ever Lived (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 12:08 PM
I have no problem with Brock not being on the list, but if Brock isn't on the list, than neither can be Cain. You can't have a guy on a list when the champion of his division isn't. That's just ridiculous.
Posted By: Big Bill (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 12:41 PM
I love how "ppl who type lik dis" think that Fedor shouldnt be ranked until he starts fighting "consistently" or that Mousasi is not eligible, give me one reason why Mousasi is NOT top 10 how bout that one?
Posted By: SedlockIHCC (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 01:09 PM
one question....why did no one put thiago alves? i think p4p (considering he's 170) he's better than shields or rashad. i could be wrong, but i think alves won 7 of his last 8 fights
Posted By: mae (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 01:33 PM
Who besides Babalu and Sokodjui has Mousasi beaten to be ranked #7?
Uh...how about mark hunt who is better than both of them. I still dont think he should be in the top 10 but im just sayin.
Posted By: beerslayer (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 02:41 PM
Not being a smart ass here, this is an honest question.
If Mousasi is currently 411's 7th best Light Heavyweight fighter (based on the last rankings you guys did), how could he also be the 7th best P4P?
Here were the last rankings of the Lt Hvy division.
By default, wouldnt he have to be ranked higher at his own division than Shogun, Rampage, Rashad, and Lil Nog? Or do I not understand how P4P rankings work?
Posted By: Town Drunk (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 03:13 PM
Way too much credit to the WEC crew. How about some of the DREAM fighters? They'd mop the floor with the over-hyped WEC crew.
Posted By: Mark (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 06:31 PM
I think P4P rankings are fun, and lead to great debate - but ultimately they are meaningless because there are never enough comparable opponents.
Town Drunk did make a great point about Gegard being ranked higher than some people in his own weight class.
And about my comments last week - I am not calling for Neer to actually beat Alvarez, just saying that it would really shake up the rankings in favor of the UFC guys. Also, I think Henderson is good - but beating Cerrone and Varner to me is not nearly as impressive as Aussie George's demolition of Joe Daddy.
Posted By: MJH (Guest) on March 16, 2010 at 10:54 PM
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