411 MMA Rankings 07.06.10: Heavyweight Division
Posted by Jonathan Solomon on 07.06.2010
Brock Lesnar forced Shane Carwin to tap out while Fabricio Werdum choked out Fedor! As a result, all hell breaks loose in the latest 411 MMA Rankings! Who is the rightful #1 heavyweight in MMA? Brock? Fedor? Werdum? Has Fedor FINALLY been knocked out of the #1 spot? Find out inside!
Brock Lesnar made his MMA debut over three years ago at a time when Fedor Emelianenko was coming off his win over Matt Lindland and Randy Couture made history by beating Tim Sylvia three months prior. Now, it's 2010 and Brock Lesnar is on top of the MMA world. Fedor and Couture, not so much.
Lesnar used a submission hold to win a fight for the first time this past weekend when he choked out Shane Carwin to retain the UFC heavyweight championship. The loss marked Carwin's first after the big man gassed out after going balls to the wall in the first round. Lesnar's miraculous comeback from what some have called his deathbed is indeed amazing. Lesnar was told by doctors that his fighting career was over, but he has returned and continues to grow as a fighter with each fight.
Lesnar's next fight will come against fellow big league heavyweight, Cain Velasquez. The Mexican-American is perhaps a better wrestler than Lesnar and unlike Carwin, there will be no questions as to whether he can last in a potential five-round fight.
The biggest news of the past few weeks though, has been the first legitimate and decisive defeat for the greatest heavyweight in the history of MMA. Fedor Emelianenko was caught in a hold by underdog Fabricio Werdum last month and was forced to tap out. The loss for Emelianenko ends his streak of eleven consecutive wins and 29-fights without a loss. For Werdum, it was not his first time defeating an Emelianenko as he submitted Aleksander (Fedor's brother) with an Arm Triangle choke in 2006. Werdum is the only fighter in MMA to have wins over Alistair Overeem and Fedor (he defeated Overeem in 2006) and he may get to challenge Overeem for the Strikeforce heavyweight title in the near future.
So who deserves to be the #1 ranked heavyweight?
Is it Brock Lesnar? He has been #2 for several months and defeated a top five heavyweight in Shane Carwin.
Is it Fabricio Werdum? He has been a top ten fighter for some time and choked out the #1 fighter in Fedor Emelianenko.
Here's some feedback to last week's lightweight rankings.
From wylun:
cough bs.. cough... ya wen u do this in september. u'll see edgar go down to number 4, If he loses, there is always a possibility of that prediction coming true.
From SoulBrotherNo1:
probably the hardest division to rank,but this seems pretty spot on.
If I could change one thing I would leave Shaolin in the top15. His "loss" to Fancy Pants was a very controversial and questionable decision. But this is just nitpicking.
I hope JZ returns to his top form. In my humble opinion a 100% healty Calvancante without ringrust is a BEAST. He has insane finishing ability,best finisher among the lightweights,killer muay thai and BJJ,its like he is an improved version of Kenny Florian. Prety young as well. As has been the case, pending his health, JZ can be among the very best...or very average.
From ikeman:
Edgar may be the changing of the guard, just like how Faber was unstoppable in WEC until someone had his number, could happen here too. Edgar has to be #1, he is the champion in the company with the biggest pool of the best fighters at that weight. Other companies are JV compared to UFC bottomline and ranking will always reflect that until someone closes the gap more. He's #1 because he beat the man who previously had been unstoppable at 155. We shall see if Edgar truly has the answer (no pun intended) for Penn, or whether it was just his night back in April.
From MJH:
I wouldn't disagree that I come off like a UFC fan with all of my arguments - but I wouldn't go as far as to say nut hugger. It's not like I am still begging for Liddell or Couture or Hughes to be rated top of the division. I watch all the fights from all of the organizations and give my opinions with quality of opposition rated perhaps more highly than others.
I said Aoki was overrated ane he was horrible against Melendez. I said Mousassi was overrated and he was horrible against King Mo. I said Zaromskis was overrated and he's getting knocked out by gatekeepers. I have a pretty high percentage of being correct on fighters outside the UFC that I see as preying on subpar competiton. I would love to be proven wrong because I want to see the best fights - I think that's what frustrates me is I see talented guys wasting their time. If Diaz is the man to do it then so be it. Let's see who he fights next. I'll bet it's not a top 15 guy. If it is I will acknowledge I am wrong. I was wrong about Shields, and admitted it when he took down Hendu.
So the non-UFC guys I have bashed for you to call me a UFC nuthugger are Aoki, Mousassi, Zaromskis, Jorge Santiago, Shields, Diaz and Fedor (and I always maintained that he is the best ever, just not best right now). I respect everyone's opinion. This is just mine. I hope I never see another fight like Melendez-Aoki. Thankfully, I don't think anyone in their right mind argues for Liddell/Couture/Hughes as remaining the very best right now. There is no doubt, Aoki had a horrible showing against Melendez. Aoki is a one-dimensional fighter and when he cannot take opponents down, he struggles. Mousasi wasn't so much horrible as he simply could not answer the amazing wrestling ability that King Mo possesses. I don't think Mousasi is overrated, he was simply outworked and perhaps he did not take Mo seriously enough. Either way, I surmise we will see Mousasi rise back up the rankings in the coming months or years.
I do hope to see another fight like Melendez/Aoki. One fighter who dominated everyone in his native promotion, jumping to a new promotion to fight the best man there. I hope to see many more fights like that (Melendez/Alvarez immediately comes to mind).
And why do you hate on Shields and Diaz? They do nothing but beat practically everyone who steps in the cage or ring to fight them.
From Jon:
Tyson Griffin should not be ahead of George S. His level has been found - he's below the Sean Sherks of the world, which in my book puts him near the Joe Daddy's of the world. George's win over Joe Daddy should really put him ahead of Tyson and even JZ, for obvious reasons. JZ's good, but you can't hold onto a top 15 spot in such an awesome division with such a crap record that drags on near 3 years now. It's not losing to such fighters as he's lost to (top 5) - but if Randy is winning in the LHW division and struggling to break top 10 with his 'weak' opposition, surely not beating anyone AT ALL should hurt JZ more? Right? RIGHT?! It does appear that Griffin's peak has settled down. With George S., I still think it is going to take him another significant victory before he has a permanent move up into the challengers of the division.
From hmmmm:
I don't get having Florian higher than Maynard. Florian gets rocked by bigger light weights. Florian has fought the best of the division and has only lost to Sean Sherk and BJ Penn. Maynard has not fought the best of the division on as consistent a basis that Florian has. With that said, Maynard has stayed undefeated but he is still lacking that one major win over a top contender (despite beating Frankie Edgar back in 2008, who has since went on to win gold).
From T. Long:
Hey Solomon:
I want whatever it is that you're having! It must be the REALLY good stuff! The countdown is on to September when The Champ (Penn) Takes his belt AND the Top spot back!
HOLLA! I'll be sure to pass it over. I have no problem agreeing with you. Should Penn beat Edgar, there's no reason to believe he shouldn't be considered the top lightweight in the world again.
From Jeffrey:
Edgar being #1 is totally valid. He beat BJ Penn and he's the champion of the #1 MMA promotion in the world. Edgar should be #1. I mean that could all change in September, but Edgar has lost only once in the UFC and he's beaten 2 UFC lightweight champions. The dude clearly has talent and skills.
I don't think Aoki should be so high up though. Which promotion should not have much to do with rankings. It should be based on the fighters record and level of opposition. If the third greatest MMA promotion in the world has the best lightweight division, that doesn't mean their champion should not be ranked #1 because there are two bigger organizations around. With Aoki though, he has only lost once as a lightweight in some time and it was a decision loss to Melendez. Plus, Aoki isn't even in the top 5 anymore.
From Its Shogun Nigga:
Ok even though Edgar beat BJ, i still consider BJ and Gelbert better then him.. You have that right. I assume you're waiting for a more definitive win from Edgar before you crown him the best.
From kid:
Florian would BEAT Gilbert Melendez... as would Eddie Alvarez. BJ Penn still gets my nod as #1, and will prove that by stopping Edgar in the rematch The world awaits.
From mstrong73:
Lot's of great lightweights to look at so this is a tough list. I think Ben Henderson should be ranked a little higher, he is the class of the WEC and he finishes fights. I think at the very least he should be ahead of Maynard. I think the competition in the WEC is a little above the competition in Bellator so I don't see how the Bellator Lightweight Champ is ranked 4 places higher. Another couple of wins and I think he needs to go to the UFC to prove himself. Alvarez has wins in DREAM and Bellator and has only looked bad in the loss to Aoki awhile back. With Henderson's placement, it is only based on how high you regard Cowboy Cerrone and Jamie Varner when he beat them.
From Alex:
Ken Flo has to be above Maynard. The guy dominates and finishes LW's (most recently Gomi and Clay.) Maynard's last two fights were close, split decision wins. That may be part of it. Maynard has yet to finish a major opponent as he relies on his wrestling to grind out victories.
From buckley:
Why does people voicing their opinions on the internet evoke such venom? Don't like it, don't read it!
My top 10 (for what it's worth)
1. BJ Penn
2. Gilbert Melendez
3. Eddie Alvarez
4. Frankie Edgar
5. Kenny Florian
6. Gray Maynard
7. Ben Henderson
8. Shinya Aoki
9. Evan Dunham
10. Josh Thomson How can you have Edgar at #4 when he beat Penn in April?
From GotNoShame:
- vs. B.J. Penn - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 112: Invincible - April 10, 2010
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. B.J. Penn - UFC 108 - August 28, 2010
He beat BJ in UFC 112, but the next appearance is UFC 108??? How does that happen? Nice catch.
From Sean:
Considering recent fights in the weight class logically and taking subjective pound-for-pound logic out of the equation, I have a hard time arguing with these rankings. Well-done.
That doesn't mean I don't think Penn merely had an off night, and won't be taking his title back this September when he shows up in top form. Skill-wise, he's absolutely the better overall fighter.
But even then, if Penn was the one who had an off night and Edgar was as consistent as ever on the same night, then ranking Edgar higher based on that edge only makes sense. To do otherwise would be somewhat of a slap in the face to "The Answer." It's very possible that Penn simply had an off night and Edgar was the better man on that night. We have to wait until August to find out the truth and hopefully one way or the other, we will find out whether Edgar is truly at that level.
Heavyweight Rankings from Last Year (06/16/2009)
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Josh Barnett
3. Frank Mir
4. Brock Lesnar
5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueria
6. Randy Couture
7. Alistair Overeem
8. Cain Velasquez
9. Shane Carwin
10. Gabriel Gonzaga
11. Cheick Kongo
12. Andrei Arlvoski
13. Mirko Cro Cop
14. Brett Rogers
15. Fabricio Werdum
THE CREW
Here are the nuts and bolts, the breakdown of the rankings from your favorite 411 MMA writers:
Jeffrey Harris
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Cain Velasquez
3. Junior dos Santos
4. Fabricio Werdum
5. Shane Carwin
6. Alistair Overeem
7. Fedor Emelianenko
8. Frank Mir
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10. Roy Nelson
11. Antonio Silva
12. Cheick Kongo
13. Mirko Filipovic
14. Brendan Schaub
15. Brett Rogers
Samer Kadi
1-Brock Lesnar
2-Fabricio Werdum
3-Fedor Emelianenko
4-Cain Velasquez
5-Junior Dos Santos
6-Shane Carwin
7-Frank Mir
8-Alistair Overeem
9-Minotauro Nogueira
10-Antonio Silva
11-Roy Nelson
12-Brett Rogers
13-Cheick Kongo
14-Andrei Arlovski
15-Mirko Cro Cop
Scott Kuczkowski
1- Brock Lesnar
2- Fabricio Werdum
3- Fedor
4- Cain Velasquez
5- Shane Carwin
6- Junior Dos Santos
7- Frank Mir
8-Alistair Overeem
9- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10-Brett Rogers
11- Roy Nelson
12- Big Foot Silva
13- Andrei Arlovski
14- Gabe Gonzaga
15-Brendan Schaub
Larry Csonka
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Fabricio Werdum
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. Cain Velasquez
5. Junior Dos Santos
6. Shane Carwin
7. Alistair Overeem
8. Frank Mir
9. Minotauro Nogueira
10. Roy Nelson
11. Antonio Silva
12. Mirko Cro Cop
13. Brett Rogers
14. Cheick Kongo
15. Brendan Schaub
Jonathan Solomon
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Fabricio Werdum
3. Fedor
4. Cain Velasquez
5. JDS
6. Alistair Overeem
7. Shane Carwin
8. Frank Mir
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10. Roy Nelson
11. Josh Barnett
12. Antonio Silva
13. Mike Russow
14. Brett Rogers
15. Cro Cop
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411's Official MMA Rankings
Heavyweight Division
1) Brock Lesnar (5-1)
Height: 6'2
Weight: 265
Birthday: July 12, 1977
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Shane Carwin - Win via submission (Arm Triangle choke) - UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin - July 3, 2010
- vs. Frank Mir - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Randy Couture - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - November 15, 2008
- vs. Heath Herring - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 87: Seek And Destroy - August 9, 2008
- vs. Frank Mir - Loss via submission (kneebar) - UFC 81: Breaking Point - February 2, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Cain Velasquez - TBA - TBA
Comment: Brock fell into trouble in the first round as he took a pounding from Shane Carwin. However, Brock was never about to quit as he continued to defend himself from the blows. Brock came back in round two and finished the fight after taking Carwin to the mat. Brock is now the #1 ranked heavyweight in all of MMA. Who thought that would ever happen when he started his MMA career in 2006?
2) Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)
Height: 6'4
Weight: 242
Currently fighting with: Strikeforce
Last 5 wins:
- vs. Fedor Emelianenko - Win via submission (triangle choke) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum - June 26, 2010
- vs. Antonio Silva - Win via decision (unanimous) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Mike Kyle - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg - August 15, 2009
- vs. Junior dos Santos - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
- vs. Brandon Vera - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 85: Bedlam - June 7, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment: Werdum has done it. He knocked off Fedor with a slick submission hold as the big Russian failed to use caution after knocking Werdum to the mat. Now Werdum is waiting word as to who and when he will fight next.
3) Cain Velasquez (8-0)
Height: 6'2
Weight: 242
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 110: Nogueira vs. Velasquez - February 20, 2010
- vs. Ben Rothwell - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 104 - October 24, 2009
- vs. Cheick Kongo - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Denis Stojnic - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC Fight Night 17 - February 7, 2009
- vs. Jake O'Brien - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC: Silva vs. Irvin - July 19, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Brock Lesnar - TBA - TBA
Comment: Velasquez has been named the new number one contender in the UFC and will get the next crack at undisputed heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar.
4) Fedor Emelianenko (30-2)
Height: 6'0
Weight: 233
Currently fighting with: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Fabricio Werdum - Loss via submission (triangle) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum - June 26, 2010
- vs. Brett Rogers - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Win via KO (punch) - Affliction: Day of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Tim Sylvia - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - Affliction: Banned - July 19, 2008
- vs. Hong Man Choi - Win via submission (arm bar) - Yarennoka - New Year's Eve 2007 - December 31, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment: It has finally happened. Fedor is no longer the #1 ranked heavyweight in MMA. It was bound to happen sooner or later, right? He's only human. Fedor has one fight remaining on his Strikeforce contract and his next opponent may be either Fabricio Werdum (in a rematch) or even champion Alistair Overeem.
5) Junior dos Santos (11-1)
Height: 6'4
Weight: 243
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - Win via KO (punches) - UFC on Versus - March 21, 2010
- vs. Gilbert Yvel - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 108: Evans vs. Silva - January 2, 2010
- vs. Mirko Cro Cop - Win via submission (strikes) - UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort - September 19, 2009
- vs. Stefan Struve - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 95: Sanchez vs. Stevenson - February 20, 2009
- vs. Fabricio Werdum - Win via KO (uppercut) - UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote - October 25, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Roy Nelson - UFC 117 - August 7, 2010
Comment: The winner between JDS and Roy Nelson is expected to get the first title shot at the winner between Brock & Cain in 2011.
6) Shane Carwin (12-1)
Height: 6'1
Weight: 259
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Brock Lesnar - Loss via submission (Arm Triangle choke) - UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin - July 3, 2010
- vs. Frank Mir - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 111: St. Pierre vs. Hardy - March 27, 2010
- vs. Gabriel Gonzaga - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine - March 7, 2009
- vs. Neil Wain - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben - October 18, 2008
- vs. Christian Wellisch - Win via KO (punch) - UFC 84: Ill Will - May 24, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment: Carwin suffered his first loss on Saturday night and poor cardio is the reason. Expect him to cut down on the massive muscle and work on being able to last through more than just the opening five minutes.
7) Alistair Overeem (32-11)
Height: 6'5
Weight: 205
Birthday: May 17, 1980
Currently Fighting With: DREAM, Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Brett Rogers - Win via TKO - Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery - May 15, 2010
- vs. Kazuyuki Fujita - Win via KO (knee) - K-1 Dynamite!! 2009 - December 31, 2009
- vs. James Thompson - Win via submission (guillotine choek) - DREAM 12 - October 25, 2009
- vs. Tony Sylvester - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - Ultimate Glory 11: A Decade of Fights - October 17, 2009
- vs. Gary Goodridge - Win via submission (kimura) - Glory 10: Battle of Arnhem - November 9, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment: Overeem will NOT fight this weekend at DREAM 15.
8) Frank Mir (13-5)
Height: 6'1
Weight: 240
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Shane Carwin - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 111: St. Pierre vs. Hardy - March 27, 2010
- vs. Cheick Kongo - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 107: Penn vs. Sanchez - December 12, 2009
- vs. Brock Lesnar - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 100 - July 11, 2009
- vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Brock Lesnar - Win via submission (knee bar) - UFC 81: Breaking Point - February 2, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment: It was believed had Brock lost to Carwin, then Mir would have received his rubber fight with Brock. Now, it's unknown who Mir will fight in the near future. I doubt the UFC wants to see a rematch between Mir and Carwin, but perhaps a rematch between Mir and Big Nog is what the doctor ordered.
9) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1)
Height: 6'3
Weight: 231
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Cain Velasquez - Loss via KO (punch) - UFC 110: Nogueira vs. Velasquez - February 20, 2010
- vs. Randy Couture - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 102: Couture vs. Nogueira - August 29, 2009
- vs. Frank Mir - Loss via TKO (punches) - UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
- vs. Tim Sylvia - Win via submission (guillotine choke) - UFC 81: Breaking Point - February 2, 2008
- vs. Heath Herring - Win via decision (unanimous) - UFC 73: Stacked - July 7th, 2007
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
10) Roy Nelson (15-4)
Height: 6'0
Weight: 264
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Stefan Struve - Win via KO (punch) - UFC Fight Night: Florian vs. Gomi - March 31, 2010
- vs. Brendan Schaub - Win via KO (punch) - TUF 10 Finale - December 5, 2009
- vs. Jeff Monson - Loss via decision (unanimous) - March Badness - March 21, 2009
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Loss via KO (punch) - EXC: Heat - October 4, 2008
- vs. Brad Imes - Win via TKO (strikes) - IFL - Conn. - May 16, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- vs. Junior dos Santos - UFC 117 - August 7, 2010
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11) Antonio Silva (14-2)
Height: 6'4
Weight: 263
Currently fighting with: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Win via decision (unanimous) - Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery - May 15, 2010
- vs. Fabricio Werdum - Loss via decision (unanimous) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Jim York - Win via submission (Arm Triangle choke) - Sengoku 10 - September 23, 2009
- vs. Yoshihiro Nakao - Win via TKO (injury) - Sengoku no Ran 2009 - January 4, 2009
- vs. Justin Eilers - Win via TKO (strikes) - EliteXC: Unfinished Business - July 26, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
12) Brett Rogers (10-2)
Height: 6'5
Weight: 265
Currently Fighting With: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Alistair Overeem - Loss via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery - May 15, 2010
- vs. Fedor Emelianenko - Loss via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers - November 7, 2009
- vs. Andrei Arlovski - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields - June 6, 2009
- vs. Abongo Humphrey - Win via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Shamrock vs. Diaz - April 11, 2009
- vs. Jon Murphy - Win via TKO (strikes) - EliteXC: Primetime - May 31, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment:
13) Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic (27-7-2)
Height: 6'2
Weight: 230
Currently Fighting With: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Pat Barry - Win via submission (rear naked choke) - UFC 115: Liddell vs. Franklin - June 12, 2010
- vs. Anthony Perosh - Win via TKO (Doctor stoppage) - UFC 110: Nogueira vs. Velasquez - February 20, 2010
- vs. Junior dos Santos - Loss via submission (strikes) - UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort - September 19, 2009
- vs. Mustapha Al-Turk - Win via TKO (strikes) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Hong Man Choi - Win via TKO (low kick) - K-1 Dynamite!! 2008 - December 31, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
14) Cheick Kongo (15-6-1)
Height: 6'4
Weight: 230
Currently fighting with: UFC
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Paul Buentello - Win via submission (strikes) - UFC on Versus - March 21, 2010
- vs. Frank Mir - Loss via submission (guillotine choke) - UFC 107: Penn vs. Sanchez - December 12, 2009
- vs. Cain Velasquez - Loss via decision (unanimous) - UFC 99: The Comeback - June 13, 2009
- vs. Antoni Hardonk - Win via TKO (punches) - UFC 97: Redemption - April 18, 2009
- vs. Mustapha al Turk - Win via TKO (elbows and punches) - UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 - December 27, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
15) Andrei Arlovski (13-8)
Height: 6'4
Weight: 240
Currently fighting with: Strikeforce
Last 5 fights:
- vs. Antonio Silva - Loss via decision (unanimous) - Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery - May 15, 2010
- vs. Brett Rogers - Loss via TKO (strikes) - Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields - June 6, 2009
- vs. Fedor Emelianenko - Loss via KO (punch) - Affliction: Day of Reckoning - January 24, 2009
- vs. Roy Nelson - Win via KO (punch) - EliteXC: Heat - October 4, 2008
- vs. Ben Rothwell - Win via KO (punches) - Affliction: Banned - July 19, 2008
Next scheduled appearance:
- Unknown
Comment: Not sure how Arlovski made the list this month, but he did.
Closing Comments: Others receiving votes include Josh Barnett, Brendan Schaub and Mike Russow and Matt Mitrione ;).
Werdum as the second best HW in the world is somewhat cringe inducing as he was demolished by JDS. While he did beat both Fedor and Overeem, the fact is that he only went 2-2 in the UFC. He's also lost to 3 guys in this top 15.
Fedor is going to be on the down slope of his career. That is just my prediction and I don't think that he could hang with Brock for one second.
My top 10 list is actually identical to Jeffrey Harris.
Posted By: Alex (Guest) on July 05, 2010 at 11:18 PM
OK list, although I think Frank Mir should be higher. Carwin should be at 5, Mir at 6.
Posted By: Litas Biggest Fan (Guest) on July 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Quite amazing how Brock has become the #1 HW in the world, now it is a case of who can beat him....
A lot of people think Cain can, but much like the Carwin match I had it at 50/50. JDS? I'm not sold on him completely to be honest but he is a quality HW. I still think Overeem is the man to beat Brock honestly, I know people still don't rate him but his skill set is undeniable.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on July 05, 2010 at 11:45 PM
carwin should be higher its his first lost and he owned the first round nobody has ever did what he did to brock and i don't think anyone not named shane carwin can do it again
Posted By: Guest#7598 (Guest) on July 05, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Brock should'nt be #1-the way he ran like a girl from Carwin in Rd. 1 is still fresh in my mind. Brock cant take a punch-all he did was cover his face and hope for the best.
Get someone in there with more than a 1/4 full gas tank-and Brock is in trouble.
I was a Brock fan-but after this past weekend, Fedor > Brock.
Posted By: Guest#2686 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 12:04 AM
heavyweight, Cain Velasquez. The Mexican-American is perhaps a better wrestler than Lesnar
UM...what? this would be false. Cain was a good wrestler, but he was not a National champ, All American yes, and looking at the year Lesnar won it the compition was much better that when Cain was an AA.
Posted By: J. Robinson (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 12:19 AM
I would love to see big country fighting for the title. I wonder how Dana would hype that one with all the hate he has for Roy
Posted By: Malibou (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Guest#2686 your a fucking joke. Brock has no chin? he got hit a good 2-3 times before he even fell, then carwin landed multiple big shots on him while he was on the ground. Now fedor on the other hand is a complete joke, he has not beat a top 10 heavyweight since he was in pride. Get off his nuts, he is lucky to even be on the list. Here is how the list should look.
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Alistair Overeem
3. Cain Velasquez
4. Shane Carwin
5. Fabricio Werdum
6. Junior Dos Santos
7. Frank Mir
8. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
9. Roy Nelson
10. Fedor Emelianenko
11. Mirko Cro Cop
12. Antonio Silva
13. Brendan Schaub
14. Mirko Filipovic
15. Brett Rogers
Posted By: Andrew S (Registered) on July 06, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Old business - I hate on Shields and Diaz because I do not like the Stockton crowd and their pre and post fight antics. Melendez (who I always believed in) and now Shields have proven me wrong with dominant wins over top flight guys. Diaz being overrated because he is not beating "great" competiton is my last hope......
As for heavyweights I have a big problem with Werdum being ranked ahead of JDS. My rankings would go -
1. Brock
2. Cain
3. JDS
4. Werdum
5. Fedor
6. Carwin
7. Mir
8. Overeem
9. Big Nog
10.Big Country
11. - everyone else
Posted By: MJH (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 01:50 AM
How can you honestly rank Werdum at #2 and JDS at #5? Just because Werdum beat Fedor, doesn't mean that negates the fact that JDS destroyed him three fights prior to that.
Posted By: DD (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:10 AM
Andrew S ! - your nothing but a mark for the UFC - you had Fedor at 10 ! you sir are as bad as Jeffery Harris having Fedor at 7~ ! The man has beaten everyone and only lost his first real MMA match in 10yrs ~
If all you ass cloawns wanna call Brock the Top UFC guy that feel free but he is by far the Top MMA Heavyweight in the world - no amout of stroking by Josh Rosenthal or a UFC belt will help that ! And i think guys like Overreeem and Fedor woudl disagree!
Posted By: WOW! (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:12 AM
@Andrew S
You might be legally retarded.
Posted By: anon (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:22 AM
JDS should be above Carwin. he's had better quality opponents and finished all of them.
Posted By: wolvie316 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:29 AM
Correction from previous post.
JDS should be above Cain. He's had better quality opponents and finished all of them.
Posted By: wolvie316 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:30 AM
Brock should'nt be #1-the way he ran like a girl from Carwin in Rd. 1 is still fresh in my mind. Brock cant take a punch-all he did was cover his face and hope for the best.
Get someone in there with more than a 1/4 full gas tank-and Brock is in trouble.
I was a Brock fan-but after this past weekend, Fedor > Brock.
Posted By: Guest#2686 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 12:04 AM
Agreed. but I'm still a Brock fan.
Posted By: wolvie316 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:34 AM
wow these ratings are stupid there is no sistem in them at all werdum 1 win means more than fedors 30 wins ?
Posted By: Guest#0369 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 04:00 AM
Werdum is ranked way too high. Yeah, he's the first person to (really) beat Fedor. Apart from that he's been none too impressive. His fight against Bigfoot was horrible.
I'd like to see Arlovski against Big Country again. Hard to believe that last time they fought, Arlovski was one of the best heavys going--but hasn't won another match since, and would probably lose if he fought Big Country again now.
Posted By: Commie (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 04:06 AM
Brock should'nt be #1-the way he ran like a girl from Carwin in Rd. 1 is still fresh in my mind. Brock cant take a punch-all he did was cover his face and hope for the best.
Get someone in there with more than a 1/4 full gas tank-and Brock is in trouble.
I was a Brock fan-but after this past weekend, Fedor > Brock.
Posted By: Guest#2686 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 12:04 AM
I think A LOT of people are missing the point with this 'Brock has no chin and Carwin would win if he wasn't gassed'
Brock DOES have a chin and THAT is why Carwin got gassed in the first place. He HAD to keep hitting at full power to have any effect... he hit Brock early and it did nothing, so he had to swing with full force but nobody in the world can do that for long. So if Carwin at full force won't KO Brock, I don't think anybody can. You won't find a harder hitter who can sustain that for longer than Carwin, even pro boxers - who're conditioned to punch forever - will tire in 5 minutes of constant power punching.
Posted By: D (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 06:03 AM
I've never seen someone get his ass beat .like Brock did in the 1st round and the ref still let it go. It really showed that Brock has no stand up game. If Cain is as 1/2 as good as Fedor is in standup-Cain is your next heavyweight champ come September.
Posted By: Guest#5073 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 06:04 AM
Brock #1, really?
The #1 Heavyweight in the world shouldn't cower in the corner of the cage like he is playing hide and go seek. That was a damn bloody face he received from a guy who has fought less than stellar competition. I say Overeem would KILL Brock at this point in the game, so would Fedor.
Posted By: Guest#2479 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 06:11 AM
well hello... lol im not even going to go into fedor losing or watever, but i am a brock fanboy so its nice to see him at number 1... however i would of thought overeem would be alittle higher than 7? lol =/ just my 2cents.. but i can see the logic as saying the UFC HW division is more stacked ..
but it is funny to see werdum higher than JDS when JDS knocked him silly.. but i guess that fedor win put him back on top
Posted By: wylun (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 06:26 AM
hahahahahaha, where are all the Brock haters now??? Oh yeah, that's right, trying to think of excuses.
We will never know what would have happened had Carwin decided not to blow his load. I think it would have still been the same result, just maybe another round. Brock would not have stood with him after that first round and would have out wrestled Carwin for either TKO via ground and pound or submission.
I am still undecided on Cain v Brock. Cain may not have the same wrestling standard as Carwin and Brock, but he has shown that his wrestling has translated into MMA better. The other plus side to Cain over Carwin, is round experience. Carwin had never passed the first round and never had to pace himself (which I would be suprised if he did not train for that in future). Cain has been hit hard, and recovered enough before he even dropped a knee and went to his instinct (or bread and butter as it is so often refered to) and wrestled into a better possition for himself.
I think after his last performnance, Fedor's possition is justified. Maybe defeating higher quality in the last 2 years would have saved such a drop. I do see Fedor climbing back up though.
I would maybe put Overeem higher, but on the lack of fighting quality (which outside of the UFC is average at best) I can see why.
I love this lists to see how the once mighty fall down, I am still gutted at the fall of Arlovski, he was one of my favourite HW fighters (and still is, I just have to quickly close my eyes when he gets punched).
Good solid list I think, going on quality of wins, and recent wins / loses this is a pretty good ranking for all envolved.
The scary thing about most of these top 6 guys, they are young in their MMA career's and only getting better. This is a huge changing of the guard!!!
Posted By: manoftheclothe (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 07:52 AM
Brock`s 5-1 does not compare to the other top HW. He beat a 45 yr old Couture, fought Mir twice, couldn`t put Heath Herring away and got beaten up by Carwin in the 1st RD. If Carwin wouldn`t have gassed, or if another ref would have called the fight Brock would be 4-2.
Posted By: hammerfist (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 08:26 AM
Two of the top five are fighting in the minor leagues. This is a really sad list.
Posted By: dosSantos>Velasquez (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 08:47 AM
"Brock should'nt be #1-the way he ran like a girl from Carwin in Rd. 1 is still fresh in my mind. Brock cant take a punch-all he did was cover his face and hope for the best.
Get someone in there with more than a 1/4 full gas tank-and Brock is in trouble.
I was a Brock fan-but after this past weekend, Fedor > Brock. "
This makes no sense to me. Are you saying that running away from a top level striker to get out of harm's way (as wussy like as it seemed)is a worse MMA move then jumping into the guard of a BJJ black belt not once than twice?
Posted By: MJH (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 10:02 AM
i'm a big brock fan myself but for him to be #1 come on. i think he a a long way to go to be number #1 and he only has had 5 fights. when he gets past fedors record before fedor lost then i will say yeah brock is #1. personally i think brock can can do it.
Posted By: happy clown! :) (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 10:06 AM
Andrew, now I'm no Fedor lover by any stretch of the imagination, but I find it ironic that you dismiss Fedor as having "not beaten a top 10 fighter since pride", and yet you have Overeem as your #2. Besides Bret Rogers, who Fedor also beat, who the hell has Overeem beaten at heavyweight?
Posted By: Josh (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 10:37 AM
WOW.
So Brock's 5 wins are suddenly better than Fedor's 30? Okay, I can accept that in terms of immediate relevance. So Fedor's second, right? RIGHT?!
No. Cain Velasquez, apparently, who's beaten ONE legit top Heavyweight. I'll repeat that - he has beaten ONE legit top Heavyweight. That man is Antonio Rodrigo Minotauro Nogueira. Wait, where do I know that name from? OH WAIT! Fedor beat him twice! So I guess those pillow-punches against Ben Rothwell were more impressive than Fedor beating numerous top 10 HW's (at the time) in the last couple years?
Sorry, one word - DUMB.
I can sorta see the Werdum thing, like when Edgar overtook BJ - a win = a direct replacement, but STILL.
Anyway, I guess the UFC fanboys have got their way now, but I cannot see any of Anderson Silva/GSP/Brock making a 25-fight win streak then losing ONE FIGHT and dropping to number four in their division, but hey-ho.
And before anyone says "Fedor needs to fight in the UFC to rank higher", the UFC can't find any of those other guys decent opposition anyway. How is Dan Hardy a better challenger to GSP than Rogers was to Fedor?! Maybe GSP should fall for lack of competition. And the only reason Anderson Silva has competition is because UFC got it from... STRIKEFORCE! Jake Shields anyone? And since when was Vitor Belfort a number one contender in the whole world?
Fedor in Strikeforce is not the only great fighter in a weak division.
Posted By: Jon (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 11:11 AM
heavyweight, Cain Velasquez. The Mexican-American is perhaps a better wrestler than Lesnar
UM...what? this would be false. Cain was a good wrestler, but he was not a National champ, All American yes, and looking at the year Lesnar won it the compition was much better that when Cain was an AA.
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Velasquez is a MUCH better college wrestler than Lesnar. Velasquez was a 3 time all american and a 2 time champion in a much better wrestling school.
In terms of MMA, its a lot more even, probably Lesnar has the advantage. In college, even Jon Madsen was a better wrestler than Lesnar but wrestling MMA is quite different. Look at GSP, he never wrestled in college but he has the best takedowns in the sport.
Posted By: Guest#1224 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 11:57 AM
I love how the ignorant fools come out of the woodwork after every Brock fight. Apparently, you're a better fighter if you just stand in front of a guy like Shane Carwin and let him just rock you over and over again. Apparently THAT is what it takes. You're not supposed to cover up and defend yourself. I'll remember that next time one of your gods like Fedor do the same exact thing.
To the morons that continue to say the ref should've stopped it... you just show how little you know about fighting. Stops happen, when the other fighter clearly cannot defend himself. Never at any point was Brock not able to defend himself. That's something that dipshits say when there guy lost.
So keep the excuses up jackasses. Brock is undisputed #1. He completely avenged his only loss and completely destroyed Frank Mir. He beat a legend in Randy Couture, and now he withstood punishment from one of the hardest hitting bad asses in the world, and proved that he indeed has a chin. So Carwin got gassed? He has no cardio? So who's fault is that? Has anyone questioned Brock's cardio? I don't think so. So get your excuses ready. You're running out.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 12:19 PM
I like when people say Carwin gassed out, or for that matter when anyone does after 5mins. He just lost to a better fighter, has nothing to do with cardio.
Posted By: What. (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Werdum is too high - he went 2-2 in the UFC yet after beating Fedor he is somehow now above them (like Alex stated - JDS killed him)? Fedor hasn't really fought anyone recently that is of current significance - he never should have been at number one.
In my opinion, the top 5 or 6 UFC guys belong above both Fedor and Werdum before and after the Fedor/Werdum fight. Neither of them have proven themselves in the only place that matters in the HW division (in the UFC).
Posted By: Brian (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 12:27 PM
"Brock should'nt be #1-the way he ran like a girl from Carwin in Rd. 1 is still fresh in my mind. Brock cant take a punch-all he did was cover his face and hope for the best.
Get someone in there with more than a 1/4 full gas tank-and Brock is in trouble.
I was a Brock fan-but after this past weekend, Fedor > Brock. "
This makes no sense to me. Are you saying that running away from a top level striker to get out of harm's way (as wussy like as it seemed)is a worse MMA move then jumping into the guard of a BJJ black belt not once than twice?
Posted By: MJH (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 10:02 AM
Only difference is Fedor showed no fear while Brock ran and cower like he was being attacked by a rabid dog.
Posted By: wolvie316 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 01:05 PM
I love how the ignorant fools come out of the woodwork after every Brock fight. Apparently, you're a better fighter if you just stand in front of a guy like Shane Carwin and let him just rock you over and over again. Apparently THAT is what it takes. You're not supposed to cover up and defend yourself. I'll remember that next time one of your gods like Fedor do the same exact thing.
If Fedor did do what Brock did, he would have LOST. Only diff is Brock has Dana in his back pocket.
And, NO, Fedor has never ran like a 5 year old girl.
Posted By: Guest#8621 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 01:30 PM
Its hard to say who really is #1..Brock didnt impress, Werdum was about to get ko'd, Cain hasnt fought top level comp (imo)...
i still say even though Fedor loss, he still is #1 because he got caught, its not like he got his ass kicked..
Rankings shouldnt be based on if you lose or if you win a title, it should be based on ur overall skill set. For Ex. just because Edgar beat BJ, Edgar jumped like 8 spots to #1. Thats bullshit, we all know Edgar is not the best LW in the world, and he def isnt better then BJ or Melendez
Posted By: Its Shogun Nigga (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:04 PM
MY GOD YOU GUYS OVERREACT TO1 WIN!!!!!!
No way is Wedrdum the #2 HVWT, as Carwin, Overeem, Mir, and Cain would ALL beat him.
Posted By: kid (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:38 PM
Wolvie - there was another difference, Brock won his fight while Fedor lost with a beyond rookie mistake. Maybe Fedor should have showed some fear of Werdum's BJJ?
Posted By: MJH (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:39 PM
Guest 8261 stated"If Fedor did do what Brock did, he would have LOST. Only diff is Brock has Dana in his back pocket."
NEWS FLASH - Dana White does not control what the refs do.
Posted By: Brian (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 02:47 PM
if cains stand up is half of fedors he will win? sorry, fedor is a great fighter but his stand up isnt that awesome. he has great power and hand speed but skill wise he is all about winging big punches, no combinations, no variety. id say cains is better at this point.
Posted By: Guest#7191 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 03:08 PM
Isn't brock a 4 time all american wrestler and a national champion?
Posted By: Guest#5653 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 03:13 PM
LMAO!
All these tools making excuses that the fight should have been stopped are NOOBS who think that the refs work for Dana! HAHAHAHAHA!
Frank Mir was dead for 10 seconds before the ref stopped his fight with Carwin. What's my point here? You never wanna risk a controversial call in a mega match situation. The fact that Brock wrestled his way back up into a dominant clinch position with a minute left to go in the round only validates the fact that it was the RIGHT decision.
Get over it, you butthurt haters.
Posted By: J (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 03:14 PM
First, I want to say it's been a momentous couple of weeks for MMA. Like boxing, the sport is defined by the Big Boys. You have your super stars at other weights (Mayweather, GSP), but nothing fires up a crowd (or buy rate) like the biggest, baddest dudes on the planet going at it.
Saturday night, as I drove home from a UFC party, I was contemplating what had just happened. In the course of a week we had Fedor losing clean and fair, and then Brock doing the MMA version of rope-a-dope with Carwin to come back and win the most decisive way a man can win. Within a span of 8 days a pair of arm triangles ushered in a new era of supremacy in the heavy weight division.
We are in for a title reign as long as Brock desires to be champ. The scariest thing to me is that Brock is already contemplating life after fighting with his farm, and that's a bigger and tougher opponent for the champ than anyone poised to step into the ring with the man for the foreseeable future.
Looking at the landscape of heavyweights, I believe that the Cain Train is just the next bandwagon in line to be knocked over by Brock. I'm going to rank the Heavyweights, but in an order that I think they have the best chance to dethrone the current king.
1) Brock Lesnar's Farm - already covered this one.
2) Shane Carwin - if the man had a gas tank he might have finished Brock. He's got the best skills to take Brock out, now he just needs to put in the work.
3) Fedor - Always, always, always has a chance to win.
4) JDS - Best striker not named Shane Carwin in the division.
5) Roy Nelson - Has the striking, size and strength to give Brock fits.
6) Overeem - Same as JDS, just not as good as JDS.
7) Cain Velasquez - over-rated for 265. Make a Cruiserweight division and here's your God.
8) Randy Couture - See Fedor, just older.
9a) Minotauro - May be one of two men with both the power and grappling to deal with Brock.
9b) Frank Mir - See Minotauro
10) Fabrico Werdum - He's just too small for Brock, but he's got a chance, just like he showed against Fedor. But Brock isn't Fedor. Do you think Werdum's legs are long enough to lock a triangle on Brock? Me neither.
Posted By: King Durin (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 04:40 PM
Brock #1, really?
The #1 Heavyweight in the world shouldn't cower in the corner of the cage like he is playing hide and go seek. That was a damn bloody face he received from a guy who has fought less than stellar competition. I say Overeem would KILL Brock at this point in the game, so would Fedor.
Posted By: Guest#2479 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 06:11 AM
Your ignorance amuses me. You mean to tell me that if someone is on top of you unloading punches on you. You just lay there and let him beat your brains out? No, you would cover up just like Brock did. Every time the ref warned Brock he did something to back the ref off from stopping the fight. He submitted Carwin. Just like Fabricio did your boy Fedor
How can Fedor go from getting tapped to a title shot? Is that really how Strikeforce works? Must be taking after WWE
Posted By: Guest#0806 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 07:12 PM
If Fedor did do what Brock did, he would have LOST. Only diff is Brock has Dana in his back pocket.
And, NO, Fedor has never ran like a 5 year old girl.
Posted By: Guest#8621 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 01:30 PM
You're right, because he woulda been knocked out with that 1 punch. Brock wasn't. Get smart dude, learn some basic MMA.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 07:39 PM
Your ignorance amuses me. You mean to tell me that if someone is on top of you unloading punches on you. You just lay there and let him beat your brains out? No, you would cover up just like Brock did. Every time the ref warned Brock he did something to back the ref off from stopping the fight. He submitted Carwin. Just like Fabricio did your boy Fedor
Thanks, you proved my point.
Fedor would never be in that position to begin with-and if he came close to being in that position, the last thing he would do is play peek-a-boo.
See Fedor vs Rogers........
Posted By: Guest#4185 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 08:46 PM
Comparing Fedor to Brock is tough-but I can tell you-they both faced Heath Herring-and Brock won by decision while Fedor destroyed him so bad-the doctors stopped it.
Just saying....
Posted By: Guest#8462 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 08:50 PM
M-1 really likes this site "Brock`s 5-1 does not compare to the other top HW". How did you find this place?
Posted By: zwarrior2 (Guest) on July 06, 2010 at 11:20 PM
ok i'm a fan of roy nelson too, I like seeing him fight; I like his personality and everything.....
However does winning TUF just give you a slot in the top 10? Yes I know he's fought in alot of places and had alot of match ups, but the only two men he's ever faced that have challenged for or won a UFC title are his last two fights before he entered the UFC house.... lossing both to jeff monson and andre....... Look people let's be real and not give him a ranking and a hype that he's not deserving of even if the UFC see's a marketable fight between him and JDS...... there's a ton of MMAthimatics one can put together to agrue either side but the fact still remains roy of all the guys except for kongo have either fought better talent and have better records over their last 10 fights AND have higher quality of oppentents beaten..... How does Roy get slot 10 for beat Brandon Shaub and Struve???? I'm not a Silva fan personally but I mean at least he's beaten UFC former contenders and Champions.... Andre beat him...... I'm just saying maybe 13 or 14 cause the division is weak but roy at 10 is a def not
Posted By: just saying (Guest) on July 07, 2010 at 02:20 AM
"My top 10 list is actually identical to Jeffrey Harris."
shouldn't admit that
Posted By: mae (Guest) on July 07, 2010 at 11:28 AM
@ All: let's stop living in 2008; forget the whole time period from UFC 92 to 116... You people sound like some guy in a party bragging about doing 3 chicks’ in one year, 2 years ago... Whoopy doo!!! Thing is the Heavyweight Division is stacked right now (2010), so the title has to be put on the line more often, than usual, because of it... So, Why not from now on, one fight at least every 6 months?... that way we have Brock twice a year (June/July – Nov/Dec) that way he has time to rest + see his kid's birth + hold is baby + spend time with sable + shoot dear + play with his farm animal’s + build ice castle's + invite Dana, to play monopoly + train + Bench press a car + Hype the Show & all that shit... do you agree? This is a good time period between fights?
Posted By: Fear_Inc. (Guest) on July 10, 2010 at 02:05 AM
Rankings are and should be mostly about current results.. Anyone can sit around and say who they THINK does something better than another fighter..Results are the only concrete facts to go by.. I happen to think Cain has translated his wrestling better to MMA than Brock, and is much better striker.. However based on results and quality opposition Brock is number 1.. In a couple months we will have our answer..
Posted By: 401k (Guest) on July 10, 2010 at 11:05 AM
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