The Double Leg Breakdown 04.12.08: Who Can Beat Anderson Silva?
Posted by Don Nguyen on 04.12.2008
Even Superman had a weakness...
Hello all, and welcome to Double Leg Breakdown. Like many of you I'm sure, I find myself spending entirely too much of my day thinking about and analyzing MMA. Part of the fun of being a fight fan is it gives us all something to speculate about and intellectualize. How will a fight play out? What is this fighter's strength? Will this rookie someday be the champ? Does one fighter have another fighter's number? The Double Leg Breakdown is my weekly musing on the world of MMA that I hope will provoke thought and discussion. I welcome your feedback but please keep it thoughtful, level-headed and intelligent. So without further ado...
WHO CAN BEAT ANDERSON SILVA?
After watching Anderson Silva decimate the man who was more or less dubbed the antidote to the most vicious striker MMA has ever seen, it's hard to imagine anyone dethroning him any time in the near future. Will this man dominate the division until he retires? Is there anyone in MMA right now who has the ability to stop Silva from cleaning out the division and leaving no interesting challengers?
Anderson Silva is the latest successor to a lineage of "unbeatable fighters" that includes the likes of Chuck Liddell and Matt Hughes; fighters who were so dominant in their time that they left MMA fans and pundits alike scratching their heads trying to figure out what qualities a fighter would have to have to beat them.
Joe Silva threw grappler after wrestler after grappler at Chuck, and time after time I would find myself writing Chuck off only to lose my shirt betting against him. It wasn't until Chuck was bested at his own game when Rampage outstruck him that he was finally dethroned.
Matt Hughes dominated his division solely on his wrestling strength for years. It wasn't until he went up against an even more dominant wrestler in Georges St. Pierre that his reign would come to an end.
So back to my initial question: Who can beat Anderson Silva? My answer: Yushin Okami. Just kidding. My answer is no one who is currently in the UFC (unless Silva moves up to 205, which will never happen while his Black House homie Lyoto Machida is fighting in the UFC at that weight class).
Since winning the title, he has been pitted against a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt in Travis Lutter, strong wrestler and grappler in Nate Marquardt, and an Olympic Greco-Roman Wrestler in Dan Henderson. With each fight, the buzz was that each challenger respectively had the necessary skillset to beat the champ. It seemed logical that it would be a wrestler who would finally beat him (ask Matt Hughes). One would reason that in order to neutralize Silva's striking, one must get the fight to the ground, control him once there and either ground and pound out a TKO or grind out a decision. Seemed reasonable enough. But as we know now this tactic was fundamentally flawed.
First of all, Silva's chin has been tested and has been proven to be made of Adamantium. I don't see anyone KO'ing him on the ground. Dan Henderson's hammerfists didn't seem to phase him at all. Second, his submission defense is superb and he has a fantastic guard. With his long legs, he can just about body triangle any middleweight out there. It's no coincidence that we have seen him on his back several of his fights, but no one has been able to remotely capitalize on this dominant position. His guard is so good, I don't think anyone will be ground and pounding him to a referee stoppage. If Hendo couldn't, no one can. Third, this tactic leaves the huge possibility that the fight will go the distance. In a title fight, this leaves at least 5 chances for Silva to knock you out on the feet, and when it comes to a guy like him, that is five chances too many. Finally, Silva is also a BJJ black belt, so getting submitted in his guard is always a possibility.
With all that said and done, I maintain that wrestling is Anderson Silva's weakness, but not in the way that most have believed it to be in his fights since becoming champion. Anderson Silva is weak at takedowns, and ultimately, I think this may be his downfall.
Is Anderson Silva the best striker in MMA right now? Without a doubt. Is he the best striker in the world? I don't think so. His skills are not good enough to make him a champion in Muay Thai, only an MMA champion. Someday a better striker will come along and will challenge Silva.
If a fighter like Georges St. Pierre were faced with this problem, with his well rounded skills, he would adapt and would bring the fight to the ground. This would be a good game plan against just about any striker out there who is not Silva.
Contrarily, if Silva were in a situation where he were outclassed on the feet, he would struggle with getting the fight to the ground due to his lack of wrestling skill. With some MMA training, a superior Muay Thai fighter would need only learn a enough takedown defense to keep the fight standing. This would eliminate any ground action. The fight would become a technical Muay Thai fight, and if Silva weren't knocked out, he would likely be outpointed. In this scenario, Anderson Silva is all of a sudden not invincible.
Styles make fights, but you need not look to a fighter with an opposing style to neutralize Anderson Silva.
silva's losses (not including okami) have come against fighters with the following records: 12-7; 7-11; 14-8....perhaps his kryptonite is journeyman fighters? look, he is currently dominating the weakest division on the planet, he's got plenty of talent, but superman? unbeatable? reminds me of when the ufc hype machine tried to convince us that tito was the baddest man on the planet (and begged us to forget the frank shamrock fight)....calm down, let anderson prove it before we all go making him the GOAT of mma...the only way he earns that title is fighting some folks not currently in that loser weight class...catch weight vs. gsp or moving up to 205, till then he's exciting, skilled, talented...but most definitely not superman.
Posted By: romano (Guest) on April 12, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Weakest division on the planet? What drugs are you on? (Cause I want some!) It seems you forget the god awful HW division, and the WW isn't that stacked.
Away from Silva, any fight between the top 7-10 guys could co-headline any show. Marquardt, Franklin, Okami, Henderson, Cote, etc. I'd bet Franlin or Henderson could beat any WW not named GSP, and most of the 205'ers. Rampage Jackson couldn't finish Hendo, and Silva dispatched him with relative ease. Ace fell twice in in fights that truly showed how great Silva is.
Whether it's GSP, Chuck, Rampage, Wanderlei, it matters not. The Spider is the top fighter going today and it will be a long, long time before he gets beats.
Penn? Chuck? GSP? None of them would make it 3 full rounds with Silva.
Posted By: What? (Guest) on April 12, 2008 at 05:37 AM
Romano, Silva, in the middleweight division, has proved that he IS Superman, and he is unbeatable. Why? Find me one middleweight in the world who you'd give a real shot at beating Silva..
Of course if he changes weight classes it MIGHT be a different story.
For now, anyone really wanting to see the Spider losing a fight should ask Dana to allow him to fight Jones Jr.
Posted By: Samer (Guest) on April 12, 2008 at 08:59 AM
"reminds me of when the ufc hype machine tried to convince us that tito was the baddest man on the
planet (and begged us to forget the frank shamrock fight)"
You mean the fight that Ortiz dominated for almost 20 minutes before he gassed out?
If that fight happens again (and it probably will by year's end), Ortiz, is going to destroy Shamrock.
Posted By: Sergio G. Hernandez (Registered) on April 12, 2008 at 09:04 AM
Saying that 185 is the weakest division on the planet is so naïve and misguided, I just had to laugh that someone would actually think it, much less say it.
I also find it funny that the presumption of this article is that Silva is a weak wrestler and has difficulty with takedowns. That’s funny since I haven’t seen him in a fight in a few years where this was any type of determining factor. Does he shoot in for a double leg? No, he kicks them in the head and they fall down. Sounds effective enough of a takedown for me…
Posted By: Kuch (Guest) on April 12, 2008 at 09:18 AM
GSP vs Silva would be the only interesting competitor in my eyes right now for Silva. Of course they are in a different weight class, but only by 10lbs. Well I guess I should hold my tongue for another week actually. Stupid Serra might be GSP's kryptonite. Fuck I hope not. I'll be pissed
Posted By: Tubby (Guest) on April 12, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Romano, the Anderson Silva that exists today is not the same Anderson Silva as was in the past. He lost to Luiz Azeredo and Takase when he couldn't really grapple. The Chonan loss happened in a period of turmoil, as he was in the midst of leaving Chute Boxe and from memory had a series of personal problems. Even then, it was a complete fluke submission.
Let's face it, the dude can now really grapple. He beat Lutter from his back, he survived on his back with both Henderson and Marquardt and even reversed Marquardt to take top position to pound him out.
I like to talk about the tools of a mixed martial arts fighter and a few people I know came to the conclusion there are six tools; standup, takedowns, top game, bottom game, clinch game and the ability to transition between each of these tools. He has awesome standup, has shown good top game and bottom game, his clinch work is amazing and he seems to seamlessly transition between each. His takedowns are poor but who wants to go to the ground with him now if Lutter, Henderson and Marquardt couldn't hack it? We haven't seen him fight anybody quite like him though, an elite-level muay thai fighter. That could be his kryptonite.
Posted By: Mike Farrow (Guest) on April 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Just give Silva Lesnar so we can mark out like girls... BOOK IT DANA!
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on April 12, 2008 at 08:37 PM
Great discussion. For Romano, I just wanted to clarify that the point of my column was that I don't think he is as unbeatable as many seem to think, which is why I put "unbeatable fighter" in quotes. As far as his losses go, I don't think his they say much about the man today. Azeredo was his first fight, so you can hardly hold it against him. Takase was in 2003 and his BJJ especially his submission defense has come a long way since then. As far as the link of all his defeats being at the hands of journeyman fighters, I think all of his UFC fights have been against very experienced fighters. You don't consider Hendo who has been in the game for over a decade or a 7 time King of Pancrase to be journeymen?
To Kuch, I wouldn't consider kicking someone to the ground a takedown. What I am talking about is controlling where a fight takes place. Kicks to the head are not a reliable way to turn a striking match to a grappling match.
To Mike Farrow, I agree that his ground game is proven and no one would want anything to do with it? My point was that if HE wanted to take a fight to the ground, he would struggle in this area.
Silva looks so unstoppable right now because there are no elite strikers at middleweight except for him. Eventually, another elite striker at Middleweight will emerge and I think that is when he will be exposed.
Love reading your comments guys! Thanks for keeping it intelligent!
Posted By: Don Nguyen (Guest) on April 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM
With a lil takedown defense Martin Kampmann?
Posted By: Anonymous (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 01:19 AM
i agree, GSP and Silva would be fight of the century
Posted By: ben (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Did What? just say that the WW division was not that stacked? Um... Parisian, Fitch, Sanchez, Koscheck, Alves, GSP, Serra, not to mention BJ Penn can move up and hang with these guys. I'd say that is a pretty stacked division.
Posted By: Toddo (Guest) on April 15, 2008 at 05:14 PM
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