The Double Leg Breakdown: 04.26.08: George St. Pierre vs. Anderson Silva - Who is the Better Fighter?
Posted by Don Nguyen on 04.26.2008
With St. Pierre back on top of the Welterweight division, the debate commences. Who is a better fighter: Newly crowned undisputed UFC Welterweight Champion George "Rush" St. Pierre or current undisputed UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson "the Spider" Silva?
Welcome back to the Double Leg Breakdown. It was another great UFC card last weekend (short of one miserable fight that I hope never to think about again; I'm looking at you Starnes). I was really happy to see Michael Bisping in good form, but man, did he look skinny! I thought the bar where I watched the fight ordered it in 16:9 format but projected it in 4:3 format. Nice to see that he cut the weight right with diet and not just cutting waterweight.
It was also great to see order restored in the universe with GSP vindicating his KO loss to Serra. Up is up again... Black is black. He left nothing to chance this time and showed without a doubt in anyone's mind that while their first fight was not a fluke, it was definitely an isolated incident.
GSP's dominant performance on Saturday cemented his place as the best Welterweight in the world, which leads me to my next question...
GEORGES ST. PIERRE or ANDERSON SILVA: WHO IS THE BETTER FIGHTER?
Let me begin by saying that this is my own personal belief and has no relationship to 411mania's pound for pound ranking. Most P4P rankings will rightfully have Silva at the top. This makes complete sense given Silva's string of decisive wins against formidable opponents and GSP's loss to Serra.
My personal approach to comparing fighters of different weight classes is not the standard approach. In addition to looking at past wins and fight finishes, I like to look at a fighter's skillset and its relationship to MMA. What I look for in a fighter is how he would be able to handle himself in any and all situations and how his skills would allow him to effectively adapt. Ultimately, this is what I find to be most interesting about MMA: a fighter's ability to neutralize an opponent's skill advantage in one area by adapting and taking said fighter out of his element with another skill.
Anderson Silva has looked staggeringly impressive since his debut in the UFC with string of decisive stoppages over some big names in MMA. With few challengers left in the UFC Middleweight division, one must wonder if Silva is in fact the baddest man on the planet.
To me, the definition of the baddest man on the planet is a man would can handle himself in any situation; who will have an answer for any challenge he may face. On my April 12th column, I asserted that Silva would not be able to handle himself against a better striker with good takedown defense and I stand by that. While there are few right now in the UFC who can capitalize on this, I think this is potentially a gaping hole in his game.
St. Pierre has possibly the most well rounded skillset in all of MMA. He has outwrestled the best in Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes. We all forget about St. Pierre's Kyokushin Karate background and how great his striking is since he has not featured this in his most recent bouts. He has also sharpened up his boxing and footwork. His jiu-jitsu? We've only seen half of this since he has not spent much time working off his back in his most recent UFC fights, so this is a questionmark in my mind, but given the excellent submission skills he's shown from the top, his athleticism and how quickly he learns new skills, I have an inkling that he has a very good to excellent guard. With his unbelievable takedown defense, we may never know. What we do know about his jiu-jitsu is that he is fierce in top position. Once he gets the takedown on a fighter, he is constantly pressuring his opponent with strikes and submission attempts until they give. This was the case in his bouts Josh Koscheck, Matt Hughes, and most recently, Matt Serra.
I think GSP's most ignored but possibly most valuable asset though is his game planning. Leading up to the GSP-Koscheck fight, I just couldn't write Koscheck off because of his impressive resume in wrestling which he has adapted well to MMA. I was sure Koscheck would control the pace of the fight and where it took place and gave him a good chance of winning a decision. As we know, this did not happen. GSP later revealed that he decided early on that his key to winning the fight would be to initiate the takedown himself and put Koscheck on his back explaining Koscheck would likely not be practiced or comfortable here expecting himself to be the one in top position. Brilliant... In the weeks leading up to the bout, the thought hadn't even crossed my mind but he was absolutely right.
So who is the better fighter between the two? It is very close, but in my opinion, the edge goes to St. Pierre. He is truly excellent at all facets of the game, but he does not rely solely on his skills. He studies his opponents and carefully plans his attack accordingly. With his skills and his excellent planning, he can find an answer to any challenge he may face in a fighter. Ultimately I cannot say the same about Silva from what I have seen of him.
With potential matchups in their respective divisions dwindling, I hear more and more chatter about the possibility of a GSP-Silva fight. What a dynamite fight that would be, and not only does it appear to be a possibility, it's looking more and more like a probability. Friends, it's a great time to be an MMA fan.
Good points. I agree with most everything, including the fact that in a perfect world, GPS would have a better-than-even chance of beating Silva. However, the GSP of today vs. Silva of today? Silva. I'm a diehard GSP fan, but I'd still say Silva. Why? Since his loss to Serra, GSP hasn't shown much of a striking game - which he would need against Silva. Especially since he _would_ be the smaller of the two men, regardless if the fight would be a MW or catchweight fight.
That said, I'd still root for GSP - and above all, would LOVE to see the two of them in the cage.
Posted By: woody (Guest) on April 26, 2008 at 03:33 AM
the baddest man on the planet isn't anything like p4p..it's literally baddest...i'd say that title goes to fedor until someone takes it...you almost have to be over two hundred pounds to be considered nowadays in my personal oppinion...why speculate? let gsp and silva fight it out...sheeeeit, i don't know why the ufc hasn't already announced it...eff john fitch, this is the fight i need to see...i agree that gsp is the more well rounded fighter and i couldn't foresee a situation where he loses this fight on his feet...i see gsp ground and pounding his way to victory
Posted By: romano (Guest) on April 26, 2008 at 03:48 AM
Wrong! I don't understand why you think Silva would have trouble against someone with good takedown defence because he doesn't try to take anybody down.
Who has better striking than him? He's the best striker on the planet.
Now GSP will have trouble against someone with Takedown defence and better striking because he has shifted his game to be more of a wrestler, so he would spend alot of energy trying to take someone down and his stand up wouldn't be as crisp.
He showed a glimpse of this when Serra stuffed the one takedown, but Serra couldn't capitalize.
Silva is the baddest man on the planet hands down.
Posted By: SethTKO (Registered) on April 26, 2008 at 08:50 AM
You forget that Silva comes up with a game plan during the fight... in 1-3 minutes he analyzes his opponent, calculates how they are moving that fight (each fight is different, hence why game planning on past fights will not always get you the win) pin point the weakness and Silva destroys (henderson, Leben, franklin, Nate, Lutter). Write now, theres not alot of people that will come close to Silva's striking. Only person i can see catchin is Bisping just for how big he is at 185. St. Pierre would probably fall (probably in the perfect world sense.) Anderson has awesome sweeps and switches as he performed on Franklin and Nate Marq (who is amazing in jiu jitsu and wrestling by the way). you can't look for a striker with "good takedown defense" or else Silva would just take him out with striking or the clinch. You need a good striker with jiu jitsu better than his (if going by gameplans) his his big losses dealt with submissions. minus a DQ and Split decision that was on his first fight.
Posted By: Tj (Guest) on April 26, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Anderson silvas weakness is his top game ju jitsu. the type of person who can beat silva is a bottom game ju jitsu player who uses the rubber guard, with a strong chin. his legs, arms , and neck are so long that would leave him open to arm bars, leg locks, gogo's. clinching and pulling guard is your best chance against silva.
GSP is afraid to strike right now. i think he has a great chin as that serra didnt put him out when he smacked him on the jaw, but when serra hit him in the ear he caught an involuntary case of vertigo. his weakness is a striker with good takedown defense.
if the two fought, you'd see silva doing a lot of backpedaling making GSP come into him, and throwing jabs out there. gsp is too short and doesnt have long enough limbs or a good enough bottom game to catch silva in something from the bottom. from the top i think he might manage to cause him a few problems until he got switched or reversed.
id give it a 2nd round G'n'p victory to silva.
Posted By: mike (Guest) on April 26, 2008 at 01:01 PM
SethTKO Silva is not the best striker on the planet, in a pure kick boxing bout i have no doubt that Melvin Manhoef would knock him out. I also think Roy Jones Jr would school Silva in boxing. In MMA he may be the best current striker but worldwide definately not.
Posted By: Craig (Guest) on April 26, 2008 at 01:50 PM
Agreed, no doubt in my mind Melvin Manhoef would destroy Silva in a kickboxing match. This guy is probably one of the best, most entertaining strikers I've seen in quite some time. Although his ground game is extremely poor, he is incredible. Although Silva is an excellent striker his dominance of UFC fighters is unquestioned. However there are many other fighters who arn't in the UFC who i believe would come alot closer if not win against him. Many excellent fighters in the middleweight division arn't in the UFC, and if Silva were to fight them i think that it would go a long way in showing that he may not be as dominant as he has seemed. I am in no way saying he is not awesome just that alot of other fighters are gaining on him and fast, it's just too bad many people don't know about them.
Posted By: Binker (Guest) on April 26, 2008 at 03:05 PM
FALSE
Posted By: jeff (Guest) on April 27, 2008 at 03:37 AM
Hey Craig and Binker, when I said that Anderson Silva is the best striker on the planet I was referring to in the world of MMA. So I apologize for not making that clear. But FYI your boy Melvin Manhoef just got his butt kicked literally by
Remy Bonjasky at K1 Amsterand. Does that make Remy the best striker on the planet now??
Posted By: SethTKO (Registered) on April 27, 2008 at 09:41 AM
For your sake you better hope there is not a Silva vs GSP fight because it would not go out of the first round.
Silva via easy KO.
You said "GSPcan find an answer to any challenge he may face in a fighter. Ultimately I cannot say the same about Silva from what I have seen of him."
I dont know what you saw but I saw a man completly dominate a division and make everyone else look ordinary since he has came to the UFC.
GSP did not even defend his title once before he lost it and was out struck by Matt Serra what do you think Silva would do to him?
Silva is better in every way except for wrestling and we all know Silva is best on his feet or his back.
So it would matter if some how GSP was able to get Silva down.
Posted By: Redvexx (Guest) on April 27, 2008 at 01:19 PM
GSP would'nt be able to beat Dan Henderson on the feet or wrestling and he barley won a decision against BJ Penn who gassed in the third round.
Posted By: Yodaddy (Guest) on April 27, 2008 at 01:24 PM
i think GSP is the best and i dont know if anyone saw the round one of henderson vs. silva but silva was loosing that fight. and he got lucky in the second round i mean lets be serious. he almost lost to travis lutter, and he only be rich franklin because their polar opposites
Posted By: pat G (Guest) on April 27, 2008 at 02:25 PM
silva hasn't fought anyone with the footwork that gsp has. i don't see how silva would catch gsp in a clinch position. i really like both fighters and they are both obviously great at what they do. i'd be rooting for gsp and for him to win i think he'd need to have good footwork, throw lots of kicks, and be explosive. these are things he always does so i think he has a great shot at beating silva
Posted By: RIchie (Guest) on April 27, 2008 at 07:34 PM
"On my April 12th column, I asserted that Silva would not be able to handle himself against a better striker with good takedown defense and I stand by that."
And thats about the point you need to move on to some other sport because this claim is so far out there that it shows you dont know MMA well enough to be posting Articles about the sport.
Posted By: Slapshot (Guest) on April 27, 2008 at 09:15 PM
Check it, I think gsp would own him.
Posted By: dont matter (Guest) on May 01, 2008 at 07:24 PM
gsp is a come back fighter he is well rounded but anderson would win and gsp would win the re match
Posted By: g (Guest) on May 07, 2008 at 01:45 AM
gsp is a come back fighter he is well rounded but anderson would win and gsp would win the re match
Posted By: g (Guest) on May 07, 2008 at 02:08 AM
what about bj penn and silva
Posted By: g (Guest) on May 07, 2008 at 02:09 AM
what about bj penn and silva
Posted By: g (Guest) on May 07, 2008 at 02:10 AM
The longest Bj penn would last is 2 rounds and that would only happen if silva decided to take his time stalking him before he knocked him out
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on May 18, 2008 at 03:47 AM
Seth TKO,
I have no idea if you saw that fight but Melvin is a warrior and was like 7 or 8 inches shorter and 30-35lbs lighter and it was still a good fight. It's hardly a fair just comparison. Back to the point of Silva handling GSP that's unrealistic. It's hard to say who would win and both sides have many impressive attributes, but GSP did prove that is loss to Serra was lucky. It's MMA everyone gets caught he rebounded well and it looks like he is on his way to dominate his division much like Silva did.
Posted By: Binker (Guest) on May 19, 2008 at 12:22 PM
sethTKO is 100 % right, who the fcuk has better strikes then silva, i think that slapshot has been smokin too much reefer, he aint thinkn straight
Posted By: superman (Guest) on May 26, 2008 at 05:26 PM