The MMA News Report 05.28.08
Posted by Morgan Marx on 05.28.2008
Thoughts on UFC 84: which group of fighters truly dominated the event, what rematches will UFC fans be clamoring for, and why did Sean Sherk and Tito Ortiz fight out of character? Plus, a look at the big fights and story lines taking place at WEC 34: Faber v. Pulver live this Sunday night. What? Who’s Kevin Ferguson?
INTRODUCTION
It's an "on the road" edition of the Wednesday News Report, as I got to watch this past Saturday's UFC show from back home in Boston. That meant no HD broadcast (thanks, Comcast!) and an Internet connection so slow that keeping up with the news was a little difficult (Sherdog should be loading by sometime next Thursday). In any event, we have enough to talk about between UFC reviews and WEC previews. I figure that most of the focus will be on Elite XC's CBS debut. You'll read countless previews, fight picks, and fighter profiles. It's up to me to focus on WEC 34, meaning you'll get to read my preview, fight picks, and fighter profiles. Yay me.
MAILBAG/RANT TIME
Thoughts on UFC 84
By the time Wednesday rolls around, most of the obvious story lines have been picked over. Saturday's event certainly lived up to the hype, providing a night of finishes, brilliant debuts, and legacy affirming victories. I think the UFC's decision to air nine fights in total influenced some of the more glowing reviews posted around the web. I don't think the main card was head and shoulders above the average UFC show. But then, I happen to rate most UFC shows highly, so it was still a B+/A- effort in my book. Here are some left over thoughts I haven't heard repeated ad nauseam.
Brazillian Domination Four fighters hailing from Brazil won at UFC 84, and each moved into striking distance of a title shot. Wanderlei Silva, Lyoto Machida, and Thiago Silva made sure the spotlight stayed on the light heavyweight division, even though the lightweight title was the centerpiece of the evening. Newcomer Rousimar Palhares put on a BJJ clinic and put his name among countrymen Ricardo Almeida and Demian Maia as possible threats to the middleweight crown.
More and more, the colors of the UFC are starting to resemble green, yellow, and blue. Antonio Nogueira and Anderson Silva sit atop the rankings of Brazilian superstars, with younger, up-and-coming fighters performing well on nearly every UFC card. The diversity in the organization, buoyed by the acquisition of PRIDE and numerous smaller organizations, is at an all time high.
Two Brazilians did fall in defeat on Saturday. But the overall winning record is less important than the sheer number of talented South Americans competing in the UFC. Just a few years ago, white Americans such as Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, and Rich Franklin dominated the industry in the states. The UFC has succeeded wildly in developing (and poaching) stars with diverse backgrounds. Wanderlei received one of the largest ovations of the night, a great achievement considering the event also featured Tito Ortiz.
There will always be fighters like Forrest Griffin and Brock Lesnar that conform to a mainstream, majority look. But the Brazilian superstars combine with fighters like Quinton Jackson, Georges St-Pierre and Roger Huerta to truly represent the worldwide audience that supports MMA. Diversity is one area Dana White and co. have done wonders in embracing.
Rematches Galore One of the bigger complaints of the UFC circa 2005-2006 was the number of rematches the company rushed into booking. Fighters like Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski (and Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture) faced one another again and again in relatively short periods. The fights were indicative of the lack of depth in certain weight classes and the lack of major stars.
Just a few years later, fans are in a reverse position, clamoring for certain rematches to take place. BJ Penn almost requested a rematch with welterweight champion St-Pierre, a fight that first took place in 2006. Wanderlei Silva's victory means rematches with both Chuck Liddell and Quinton Jackson could take place, fights that shouldn't generate many complaints. Other second time around fights could include Anderson Silva v. Yushin Okami and Rich Franklin v. Lyoto Machida (though that would involve a change in weight classes).
These fights are all intriguing for a variety of reasons. Some would let prior wrongs be righted (Silva v. Okami, the "tuck rule" of MMA DQ's). Wanderlei Silva's rematches would be sequels of very good fights. A Penn v. St-Pierre rematch would answer the question of whether a 100% motivated Penn could fare better against a pound-for-pound best champion.
In each case, the rematch would be a positive decision, not a hasty, desperate attempt to generate buy rates. Even though it's a repeat of a pattern popular three years ago, it's actually a sign of growth within the company. Hopefully, we see a few of these fights in 2008 and the rest in 2009.
So much for my predictions For once, I'm not talking about my fight picks. For UFC events, there's almost no excuse in scoring below 8-3 on your fight picks, a number I routinely end up with after the events have ended. It's a good number actually; I can crow about calling the Goran Reljic upset without falling too in love with myself. I'm not sure what's worse: that I talked myself into picking Kazuhiro Nakamura before the fight, or that during the fight I actually thought Kaz might have pulled it off before Sokoudjou dropped the hammer.
Instead, I'm talking about my prediction that Sean Sherk and Tito Ortiz would fall back on the game plans that made them champions. I truly thought that the two wrestlers would ignore the stand-up against supremely talented strikers. Instead, both men fell right into their opponent's trap and emerged worse for the wear. Was this a case of fighters falling in love with their secondary offense (like Matt Hughes deciding to become a boxer)? Or were both men simply outclassed?
In Sherk's case, I think he let Penn's reputation get the better of him. We all know that Penn has arguably the best takedown defense in all of MMA thanks to his flexibility. But fighters like Matt Hughes and Georges St-Pierre have shown that the way to beat Penn is to pressure him on the ground. I'm sure Penn's disinterest in training (and injuries) played the biggest part in both of those losses. But until someone KOs Penn, I think the only proven way to defeat The Prodigy is by ground and pound.
Sherk stated that he felt comfortable on his feet. I'm not sure how he thought the fight was playing out, but
At no point in the first three rounds did Sherk put any real pressure on Penn, a fighter known to have a great chin. All the pre-fight talk centered on Sherk's desire to take the fight deep, steal one of the first three rounds, and then grind out a weary Penn in rounds four and five. Even before the flying knee ended things, that simply wasn't an option. Did Sherk truly believe he had the striking ability to take out Penn? Or did Sherk lack the confidence to rely on his strength and come up empty?
For Tito, I'm not sure what there is to say. I'm slightly baffled by the reaction Ortiz garnered after both this fight and the second Chuck Liddell fight. In both cases, Ortiz surprised viewers by doing all right in areas that aren't his strength, striking and jiu jitsu. In both cases, Ortiz didn't come close to winning the fight. It's great that Ortiz is improving his boxing and his submission offense. It's also a fact that Ortiz probably won't win a fight by relying on either of those two areas.
Ortiz's shots looked slow and weak against Machida, a fighter he was supposed to physically dominate. I picked Ortiz to win this fight, thinking that he could outmuscle a smaller foe to the ground. Instead, Machida was the fighter shucking off takedown attempts and planting Ortiz on his back. The triangle attempt was the most dramatic point of the night, and Ortiz deserves a ton of credit for almost gutting out the victory. But the most surreal point of the night had to be Ortiz pulling guard against a BJJ blackbelt.
Ortiz was thoroughly dominated and frustrated in the fight, taken out of his game by a superior opponent. Perhaps if Tito had decided to apply 100% pressure straight from the get go, things would have turned out different. But I believe that submission just caught Machida off guard, a Hail Mary from a fighter facing a loss.
Both Sherk and Ortiz decided to stray from what they do best. One fighter probably lost the mental battle. The other probably isn't physically capable of delivering bone shattering ground and pound. When facing fighters as good as BJ Penn and Lyoto Machida, you can play their game and survive, or you can play your game and maybe lose. Or maybe you'll get lucky. At least you'll go out on your own terms.
The Reader's Question: Who deserves a light heavyweight title shot – based on both record and marketability – first: Lyoto Machida or Wanderlei Silva?
COMMENTARY
WEC 34 Preview
While the mainstream attention and audience will likely focus on Kimbo Slice and Elite XC this weekend (and he/they deserve it), the most entertaining event may take place the next night. The WEC travels to Urijah Faber's home state to watch their featherweight champion take on Jens Pulver in arguably the company's biggest fight. The event will air live on Versus and should benefit from a large in house crowd. Here are some thoughts and previews for the event, airing Sunday night at 9 p.m. Eastern/6 p.m. Pacific.
WEC Featherweight Championship: Urijah Faber (c) v. Jens Pulver Truly a win/win for the organization. Should Faber take out the former UFC lightweight champion, his legend continues to grow and he remains the biggest name within the WEC. If Pulver lands the KO shot, the WEC can promote a recognizable name as the new champion, and build to a huge rematch down the road.
Both Faber and Pulver are great for the WEC in almost opposite ways. Faber has the California looks, the perfect sound bytes, and the work ethic of a true champion. He's also arguably the world's top ranked featherweight, meaning the WEC gets mentioned in all discussions of the weight class. He has taken on the responsibility of being an organization's standard bearer, headlining his last two WEC events. Faber has almost single handedly legitimized the smaller weight classes in the USA, and has done so without dropping a fight.
On the other hand, Pulver is brash, quotable, and "interesting" to look at. He works as hard as Faber, but is at a different point in his career. If Pulver were just coming into his prime in 2008, perhaps he'd sit in Faber's spot. Instead, Pulver profited during a time when the attention wasn't on MMA and was certainly not on the lighter weights. Pulver's highest profile fight is probably his lowest point, and absolute destruction at the hands of BJ Penn following his run on The Ultimate Fighter. With a win on Sunday, Pulver can finally achieve the success he deserves as the pioneer of the 155 and under weight divisions.
It's interesting to compare the buildup of this championship bout and the pre-fight smack talk between Penn and Sean Sherk. Both Faber and Pulver respect one another as competitors. Both stress that they want to win (and will have no problem putting a fist through the opposition). But neither man has resorted to the name-calling and faux histrionics that the UFC has relied on recently. It's refreshing to see the athletic contest take center stage of an event as opposed to a personal grudge match.
Now, this fight could play out similarly to Penn v. Sherk in a negative way. There's no guarantee that Pulver belongs in the same cage as Faber. Though rededicated to his craft, Pulver's WEC debut (a 35-second submission of Cub Swanson) didn't allow for a thorough examination of Pulver's skill set. There are reasons to believe in Pulver: he's undefeated at 145, Faber has never faced a lefty striker like Jens, and Pulver's determination is tremendous. But Faber is the #1 featherweight for a reason. Hopefully, the fight will make superstars out of both men. But we can be sure that both fighters will give their absolute best on Sunday, in an evenly booked contest with a belt on the line. That's something Elite XC may not be able to boast.
WEC Bantamweight Championship: Miguel Angel Torres (c) v. Yoshiro Maeda While watching Manny Tapia finally lose his undefeated record would have been great, fans will have to wait for The Mangler to heal. Instead, PRIDE, DEEP, and Pancrase veteran Maeda gets the call to step in against sudden star Torres. I can't believe how quickly Torres has risen in prominence. I consider myself a UFC hardcore fan, but I don't claim to have a Jordan Breen like knowledge of MMA. Torres was a Fight Finder favorite, a fighter I hadn't seen but that sported a tremendous record. Now, two fights into his WEC career, Torres is a titleholder that has popped up on some pundits' pound-for-pound rankings.
I underestimated Torres in his first bout against former champ Chase Beebe. I doubt you'll be seeing many writers and fans underestimate Torres again. Maeda sports a good record, but almost universally Torres is being touted as a champion destined to dominate his division. Unless Urijah Faber drops down another 10 pounds, I'm not sure what kind of a fighter will trouble Torres.
One thing Maeda has going for him (as opposed to Beebe) is experience. He won't be cowed by Torres' record, nor will he be overawed by the champion's submission game. Maeda is a striker, and Torres reportedly will stand and trade. I'm not sure how long that will last, as Torres' can likely outwork Maeda on the ground any way he wants.
Is Miguel Torres the next WEC star? He's a proven fighter with a huge history outside the organization. Yet for a variety of reasons (his size, the organizations he was fighting for, his humble nature) he flew under the radar. The WEC didn't make Torres, but they can make him a focal point of their productions. From there, the two benefit in a symbiotic relationship, further developing an appreciation for the lighter weights within the US.
Keneth Alexander v. Rob McCullough; Chase Beebe v. Will Ribeiro In both fights, a former champion will attempt to rebound against a less heralded opponent. Both McCullough and Beebe lost their belts at inopportune times. As the WEC continues to grow, the organization's champions will benefit from more notoriety, bigger paydays, and contract clout. Both Beebe and McCullough dropped their belts to WEC newcomers now receiving the posh treatment.
Alexander and Ribeiro also have a big opportunity. The WEC rewards fighters that score big wins with higher profile fights and possible title shots. Taking out a recognizable name like McCullough could boost Alexander's stock tremendously.
It would be an accomplishment Alexander has already achieved. In 2002 Alexander decisioned McCullough in Razor Rob's third fight. Since then, McCullough has grown into one of the most devastating strikers at 155. Alexander hasn't done nearly as much, taking four years off from the sport before returning in 2007. McCullough should return to his winning ways in this fight. I'm not sure what got to Razor in his fight with Jamie Varner. Lack of training, underestimating his opponent, or fight fatigue could all have played a role. For McCullough to get a rematch, he must destroy Alexander.
As for Beebe, the wrestler clearly wasn't ready for a fighter like Miguel Torres. It wasn't so much the superior submission skills of Torres's that undid Beebe; he had already passed the BJJ test by beating Rani Yahya. But Torres' posses a wealth of experience that Beebe is still acquiring in the sport. Beebe reeled off six straight wins following his first professional loss. There's no reason Beebe can't make a run similar to Georges St-Pierre, another fighter that had to lose a title belt in order to learn a lesson.
Donald Cerrone v. Danny Castillo I'm not sure if this continues Cerrone's run of bad luck. First, Cowboy tested positive for a diuretic following his quick submission victory over Kenneth Alexander at WEC 30. Now, Cerrone's intended opponent, Richard Crunkilton, pulled out of this fight due to injury. Instead of getting to prove himself against a credible (and dangerous) opponent, Cerrone steps in against an unknown and unproven competitor.
With seven wins via seven submissions, Cerrone is headed for big things. Cerrone's record stands in stark contrast to his background as a decorated kickboxer. Training under Duane Ludwig was not supposed to turn Cerrone into another Miguel Torres. Eventually, Cerrone will get a chance to unleash his striking in the MMA cage. Danny Castillo may be the unlucky recipient of that coming out.
Castillo has already fought three times in 2008. Unfortunately, Castillo's opponents had a combined record of 7-19-1. For someone making his major organization debut (and the WEC is a major step up from the Palace Fighting Championship), Cerrone is not an ideal opponent. Wherever the fight goes, Cerrone will be favored. For Cowboy, another victory will land him in a high profile fight on a main card. Hopefully, his next opponent will make it to the event in one piece.
Terrible, Favorite-leaning Picks You Should Bet Against:
Urijah Faber over Jens Pulver Miguel Angel Torres over Yoshiro Maeda Mark Munoz over Chuck Grigsby Rob McCullough over Kenneth Alexander Donald Cerrone over Danny Castillo Chase Beebe over Will Ribeiro
CONCLUSION
Enjoy this monumental weekend. As an MMA fan, I truly hope for the best on Saturday night. Next weeks I'll have some thoughts on both shows, plus a look at a Kimbo Slice bandwagon jumper (cough*thatwouldbeme*cough). Take care and keep reading.
No shame in jumping on the Kimbo bandwagon Marx I have done it myself which I never thought I would.
Posted By: John Curry (Registered) on May 28, 2008 at 01:09 AM
FACT - The Kimbo Slice bandwagon has 22-inch spinners.
Posted By: Bren Oliver (Registered) on May 28, 2008 at 01:37 AM
diversity? god the school system is killing this country...who gives a rat's ass about diversity? how in the hell does brock lesnar have a mainstream look??? how many people look like brock?? it's funny, but i can't remember the last time i saw a 265 pound viking/neanderthal/guerilla in my daily travels. does it really matter if there's a diverse group of fighters wearing belts? if all the best fighters are brazillian, then i'd never need to see a white guy fighting again...if they're all white yadda yadda...it's the folks that think they are most progressive who are actually the most consumed by race...funny, when i'm watching ufc none of that stuff ever enters my mind.
your point about rematches offered no original thought and numbed my mind as i read it...what was the point of typing that? people want to see rematches...wow...bj penn is an all time p4p top ten fighter, so i'm not sure what the hell you were trying to say, but i'm pretty sure you should have said, "people would like to see two of the top five best p4p fighters in the world in a rematch to see if a newly dedicated bj penn could avenge an earlier defeat to GSP." of course, penn dominated while he still had some wind, but GSP has added superhuman wrestling skills to his repetoire.
wow, so you think that wrestlers should wrestle when facing better strikers? holy poop that's a brilliant point! dude, sherk realized after his first takedown attempt that it was a) fruitless and b) might just get him submitted...bj is freaky on the ground unless he's completely gassed and Sherk and everyone who's been watching bj since 2000 knows that...bj didn't gas and sherk ran out of time waiting for him to do so....Tito never came close to a takedown because lyoto has great takedown defense while keeping a posture that is dangerous to shoot on.
your reader question is stupid...lyoto deserves it, but wandy may get it first due to being able to sell the tickets.
there's no reason to believe pulver belongs in the same cage as faber??????? when did you start watching mma? i'm not even touching that statement further, the stupid may rub off on me.
kimbo is fun to watch, but i'd rather watch a machida decision any day...i can see what kimbo does in practically any bar in baltimore on a saturday night...though kimbo has a certain flare that the typical drunken baltimorian is lacking.
Posted By: romano (Guest) on May 28, 2008 at 02:46 AM
@Romano...dude chill!!!
Posted By: Ptolemy (Guest) on May 28, 2008 at 04:44 AM
Again, "romano" is a troll who always acts like a fool in the MMA comments section. There's no reason to take him seriously.
Posted By: highone (Registered) on May 28, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Romano, get a life.
Posted By: Frankie (Guest) on May 28, 2008 at 09:31 AM
No kiddin'. And Romano - Brazillian is not a race. You can be any race (including white) and be from Brazil :)
Posted By: Guest#2956 (Guest) on May 28, 2008 at 09:45 AM
Romano might have been a bit dramatic, but I think that this comment: "There will always be fighters like Forrest Griffin and Brock Lesnar that conform to a mainstream, majority look." is horrifically ignorant.
Why would you use the word "conform" and use those two guys. What on Earth ties those specific two guys together other than they are both white? Forrest has proven to be absolutely batshit insane on both of his TUF stints, and Lesnar has complete back and chest covering tattoos. What about them conforms to anything? How is their "look" more conforming to any standards than GSP?
If you want to say that America will always have white fighters at the top of the favorities list, then man up and just say it. Explain yourself well enough to make it less of a racial statement and more of a sociological fact.
But to pull this both sides bullshit is ridiculous. Explain why you used Forrest and Brock as "conformist" to any specific "look" and what Jackson, GSP, and Huerta have in common to place themselves outside of that "mainstream."
It's a fucking ignorant statement to attempt and cover your own ass. Either use more skill in your writing to defend your positions, or try not to throw shit against the wall that makes no sense.
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on May 28, 2008 at 01:35 PM
@Romano
Brazilian is not a race, it is a nationality. And yes having a diverse roster is very important to any fight organization, be it MMA, Boxing, Wrestling...
You could have the best fighters in the world on your card, but it will not do any good if nobody is watching. Having a diverse roster will simply add a connection with lmore fans. Who are you more likely to get behind in a fight? Some rich kid who spent his childhood training on daddy's yacht, sipping virgin margaritas? Or are you more likely to get behind the guy who may have come from a rough backround, that may or may not resemble the way you had to grow up, who is now making good on his life, and making the most out of things?
di·ver·si·ty - variety; multiformity
He talked about fighters with diverse backrounds, not diverse pigmentations. As a matter of fact, the only fighters in the article mentioned in a racial tone are the "White Americans".
Posted By: Toddo (Guest) on May 28, 2008 at 01:51 PM
got to say i agree with romano. War BJ.
Posted By: babar1 (Guest) on May 28, 2008 at 04:42 PM
Everyone knows his real name is RaMoano.
Posted By: Hunkgolden (Guest) on May 28, 2008 at 05:24 PM
@Matt
It isn't as simple as saying that both Forrest and Lesnar are "white." So is Georges St-Pierre. But both Brock and Griffin are white, American, and fit (or conform) to certain representations of American culture.
Perhaps I misused the term “mainstream.” I don’t think anyone would describe Chuck Liddell as a mainstream character, accounting degree be damned. But it’s a fact that the UFC (particularly the champions in each division) has undergone a makeover in recent times. It’s not just an issue of race, though African American (and African African) fighters are obviously thriving in MMA right now (Rampage, Kimbo, Sokoudjou).
What connects Rampage, Huerta, and GSP? They are three of the UFC’s biggest stars, and they all have a diverse background. You can’t deny that other sports have struggled overcoming issues of race and nationality. The UFC has embraced diversity and its fans have as well. I think it’s a great thing that those three fighters are just as popular as Forrest and Lesnar. And my suggestion was that the UFC isn’t pushing diversity on its audience, there will always be Anglo American fighters near the top of the rankings as well.
By and large, the UFC has developed multinational, multiracial stars that come from a variety of backgrounds. I can’t see a negative there. The UFC wants to extend its brand worldwide. What better way to accomplish that goal than to have a roster that represents a worldwide audience?
Posted By: Morgan Marx (Registered) on May 28, 2008 at 09:49 PM
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