My Take On MMA 8.11.08: Final UFC 87 Seek and Destroy (8.09.08) Thoughts
Posted by Larry Csonka on 08.11.2008
Kenny Florian defeats Roger Huerta, Georges St. Pierre successfully defends the UFC Welterweight Title, and Brock Lesnar brings the pain to Heath Herring in a dominant victory! But how was the overall event? Come on into see!
WELCOME~!:
Welcome back to another edition of My Take On MMA! We've had quite the summer of MMA, and this past Saturday it continued as UFC delivered their latest PPV offering Seek and Destroy! The card was highlighted by three big bouts. Florian vs. Huerta for a possible lightweight title shot, Lesnar vs. Herring and the Welterweight Title Bout that saw Georges St. Pierre battle Jon Fitch. Let's break it down.
A reminder, there is a SHOW XC event this Friday night. I'll have live coverage of that event, and a My Take On of the event likely on Monday.
Final UFC 87 Seek and Destroy (8.09.08) Thoughts~!:
The Fight: MIDDLEWEIGHT BOUT - Demian Maia (8-0) vs. Jason MacDonald (21-9): My Pick: MAIA, SUB, RD2 The Result: Demian Maia via RD3 (2:44) Submission Final Thoughts: The night kicked off with Middleweight action. Jason MacDonald with a world of experience facing Demian Maia, a man with a good bit of hype and a lot of potential for the UFC. The first round was excellent as both men went for and escaped some great submission tries. MacDonald was close with a guillotine, but Maia would escape and close the round with a RNC attempt. I got a lot of shit for giving MacDonald round one. I thought he had good control and did more noticeable damage than Maia. Lots of people will say that Maia had the submission at the end of the round, but like MacDonald he couldn't finish it. I certainly agree that it could be scored either way, it just depends on what you weigh as more important. Regardless, this was an excellent round. As far as round two goes there was NO question as to who won. Maia used some good knees and got MacDonald down, and kept him down and worked the ground and pound. He was never close to finishing him, but Maia certainly dominated him. I had it even going into round three, and I didn't expect us going that far into the fight. Round three showed continued groundwork by both, and it was a pleasure to watch because it was so clean. The counters by these guys the entire fight were excellent. Maia would finally lock in the choke and get the submission victory, midway through round three. This was an excellent bout as they proved that not all fights that stay primarily on the ground are lay and pray hump festivals. MacDonald is a guy that is a good fighter, but he just doesn't have what it takes to be the elite in the division and most would agree that he will likely be a good gatekeeper for the promotion. There is also the possibility of a move to WEC. Maia looked good, but some think that he is ready for a title shot, and I don't see it, not yet anyway. Larry's Enjoyment Index: 8.0
The Fight: LIGHTWEIGHT BOUT - Kenny Florian (11-3) vs. Roger Huerta (22-1-1): My Pick: HUERTA, STRIKES, RD3 The Result: Kenny Florian via Unanimous Decision (30-27 Across the Cards) Final Thoughts: Like many I was a bit surprised when this came as the second bout of the night. I don't want to play conspiracy theorist, but I would imagine that this was slid down the card due to Huerta's latest tiff with management. Anyway, lets discuss the fight. As I mentioned in the roundtable I figured, that like most Huerta fights he would start slow, and he did. He looked better in his stand up and worked the leg kicks, but Florian got the takedown and easily controlled and took the first round. I expected Huerta to pick it up in the second but it just never happened as Florian got him down, controlled and did noticeable damage to take another round. Round three is where I figured Huerta would pick up his game, but since he was so far behind and got reckless. He pushed the action but Florian continued to dominate and made it look easy. Florian took the big win and now looks to get back into title contention. Huerta did himself no favors in his contract negotiation, and depending on how things go his stay in the UFC could be close to over. This was a fun fight overall. Larry's Enjoyment Index: 7.5
The Fight: LIGHTWEIGHT BOUT - Manny Gamburyan (10-3) vs. Rob Emerson (9-6-1nc): My Pick: MANNY, SUB, RD2 The Result: Rob Emerson via RD1 (0:12) TKO Final Thoughts: Well, Emerson won via KTFO. Manny came out wild and sloppy, he got caught, dropped and then Emerson lit him up with a left that signaled the end. I, like many didn't think that highly of Emerson as a fighter. He'll battle, but I thought Manny would get him down to the ground and just own him. Instead he bull rushed him and forgot his skill, which cost him the bout. I was figuring for Manny to win, and if Diaz won at fight night that we could see a rematch there. I doubt that will happen now with Manny losing, as he'll have to go back to the bottom rung and start to work his way back to the top. I do love a quick KO, and on a night with so many long fights, this was a pleasant surprise. Well, not for my predictions. Larry's Enjoyment Index: 7.0
The Fight: HEAVYWEIGHT BOUT: Cheick Kongo (21-4-1) vs. Dan Evensen (10-2): My Pick: KONGO, STRIKES, RD1 The Result: Cheick Kongo via RD1 (4:55) TKO Final Thoughts: With Emerson making quick work of Manny, we got a bonus bout from the prelims on the PPV broadcast. With two straight wins (one over MIRKO) Cheick Kongo was looking for a title shot, unfortunately for him he was derailed by Heath Herring at UFC 82. Kongo needed a win here to get back on track if he wanted that title shot, but the 10-2 Dan Evensen stood in his way. Evensen came in with four straight wins, mostly in BODOG, and wanted to make an impact in his UFC debut. Well he made two impacts, one on the mat and the other on people suffering from insomnia. A tediously boring fight for the most part as they got warned for lack of work and separated a few times. Kongo worked good leg kicks, which did a lot of damage on Evensen. He would be limping late in the round, which nullified a lot of his power. Late in round one Kongo dropped him, and the ground and pound was enough to stop the fight. Kongo was never in trouble here, but it was far from an impressive victory. Larry's Enjoyment Index: 5.0
The Fight: HEAVYWEIGHT BOUT - Brock Lesnar (1-1) vs. Heath Herring (28-13-1nc): My Pick: BROCK, STRIKES, RD1 The Result: Brock Lesnar via Unanimous Decision (30-26 Across The Cards) Final Thoughts: Truth be told this was the fight I was looking forward to the most. Brock lost to Mir due to inexperience and was caught, plain and simple. But the man has so much potential, and that makes him a must see attraction. But Heath Herring is no tomato can, the man is a proven veteran of the sport and was a dangerous opponent. In the roundtable I said Brock would have to finish quick to make sure he didn't get caught again. He almost did. He ROCKED Herring's world early and just destroyed him for the entire first round. Herring's eye was a mess, and Brock looked dominating and much more composed than in his last bout. To me round one was a 10-8 round. The rest of the fight looked like a replay of round one as Brock would take him down at any time he wanted, and dominate with punches and some nasty knees. It looked like an easy win for Brock over a seasoned opponent. Of course I will not crown him the new man in the sport. He had chances to finish and couldn't. There were times when he looked around like he didn't know what to do next, but make no mistake, this was an excellent victory for him. There was a lot of shit on Brock for his post fight antics. Herring apparently was insulted that he had to face Brock, thinking he was above him. While some traditional MMA fans hate this, pure sport alone doesn't sell. Many traditionalists hate Brock and they will pay to see him lose, while others want to see him succeed in the world of MMA and pay to see that. In wrestling terms, he is a great heel. It wasn't as bad as some make it out to be either, mostly taunting and an early celebration. He's no Nick Diaz The heavyweight division takes a lot of shit, but they have a lot of fights to work with. Nog and Mir is booked, you still have Brock vs. Coleman, Velasquez vs. Gonzaga, and can build to a Velasquez vs. Brock bout later in the year if both stay successful. If booed properly, the UFC Heavyweight Division could slowly get back on the rise. Larry's Enjoyment Index: 6.0
I picked brock to win in 2nd, with mir i picked frank to win 1st round by arm submission but oh well. I want to see brock fight kongo next
Posted By: Andy (Guest) on August 10, 2008 at 11:40 PM
i don't think brock can take on kongo, they need to protect their investment,
Brock looks really green on the ground, all he did was sit on him with his weight and throw in a few wild hits,
few more wins for brock, then brock vs kongo for number 1 contender
BOOK IT
Posted By: Guest#7684 (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM
I don't think placing Florian/Huerta so low on the card was a negative thing. I think Dana is smart enough to know that 3 big, anticipated fights in a row can burn the crowd out. Putting Manny/Emerson between Florian/Huerta and Lesnar/Herring may have been to let the crowd relax before getting into the 2 big final fights. WWE does it all the time. UFC 87 was stacked, so they had to do something like that to keep everyone jacked for all 3 fights.
Posted By: JBell (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 12:11 AM
I didn't think the Lesnar/Herring fight would go past round 2. Brock didn't even seem tired after the 3rd round. Now if he keeps improving in his ground game then he'll really be a force. He could've ended the fight many times earlier but he just didn't capitalize. Penn Vs. GSP should be good and I hope Georges knocks his ass out.
Posted By: Mafaka (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 01:39 AM
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i don't think brock can take on kongo, they need to protect their investment,
Brock looks really green on the ground, all he did was sit on him with his weight and throw in a few wild hits,
few more wins for brock, then brock vs kongo for number 1 contender
BOOK IT
Posted By: Guest#7684 (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM"
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Except Brock just destroyed the guy who BEAT Kongo...
Not to mention, but as I said on another page- Brock outweighed Heath by a good 30+lbs and easily manhandled him accordingly. Kongo went into his fight weighing just 235lbs.
If Brock had no problems keeping an experienced fighter down with his 30+lb advantage- he'll have no problem taking and keeping Kongo on his back when Brock has about a 50lb advantage.
Put Lesnar against Gonzaga... it'd show if he's learned anything from his fight with Mir about going up against submission specialists and it'd be another decent name to add to his resume.
Posted By: cyks (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 02:10 AM
Even though i see where people are coming from with the whole brock didn't finish herring argument, i must say that i watched the fight three times now and i kinda got the impression that brock didn't really want to finish the fight.
I mean if you look at the pre fight build up, herring kept saying how he shouldn't have to fight brock, and how hes beaten bigger, stronger, more accomplished wrestlers(why don't you go ahead and name one for me heath.....don't worry i'll wait). And ho everyone was so down on Brock, saying that at his size he couldn't stay in a fight for a full three rounds, I personally think that brock just wanted to do two things, 1- prove to the world that he's able to last 15 minutes(which he did) and beat the snot out of heath herring for the whole fight. I think brock didn't finish the fight out of a desire to embarass heath(he did ride him in the end of the fight after all) i see only bright things for brock, and if mir beats nog in dec maybe a rematch with the title on the line will be in order, provided brock gets another win or two under his belt
Posted By: Red Cloud (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 05:10 AM
i really like Brock and was impressed but for the love of god he needs to learn to put hooks in and take the back. That fight should've been over in round 1. I hope Brock will learn. He's got more potential than anyone in the HW division. I'm glad the UFC isn't treating him like Kimbo.
Posted By: divinecomedy (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 07:28 AM
Kongo will be hammered by Brock
Simple as!
Posted By: steve0 (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 07:29 AM
Lesnar really reminds me of Bob Sapp...
I believe he is going to beat a fair few Heavyweight and some good ones probably like Sapp did and then they'll get used of him and eventually he'll go down.
I hate wrestlers because they are painfully boring and lesnar is no exception, but I like his charging attitude though.
UFC is made for wrestlers with takedowns and floor control scoring more points than clean shots, so Lesnar should be succesful like Sherk and other american wrestlers.
Remember most of Lesnar strike standing up or on the floor with Herring had little to no effect.
Herring took real poundings in the past against Fedor or Cro Cop. Fedor G and P is efficient. Lesnar is still far far away from quality strikes like Fedor's.
I suppose he still has a lot to learn.
Posted By: mik (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 07:34 AM
"I think Dana is smart enough to know that 3 big, anticipated fights in a row can burn the crowd out."
Exactly....I'm glad they broke up the 3 big fights, gave me chance to calm down, lol.
Posted By: Guest#5559 (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Remember most of Lesnar strike standing up or on the floor with Herring had little to no effect.
ummm, that right that connected with Herring's eye had a hell of an effect.
don't remember the last time I saw someone fly halfway across the octagon because of one punch.
Posted By: Guest#5277 (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 09:19 AM
ummm, that right that connected with Herring's eye had a hell of an effect.
don't remember the last time I saw someone fly halfway across the octagon because of one punch.
I said most of them, not all of them...
Posted By: mik (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Kongo/Lesnar makes no sense at all. As stated by others, Lesnar just whooped the guy who last defeated Kongo.
Posted By: Seany D (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 11:41 AM
It looked like GSP could have finished Fitch in the first round (and later during the fight) if knees to the head of a downed opponent were allowed. They really need knees on the ground back to the UFC otherwise it feels awkward.
Posted By: Joe257 (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 01:22 PM
No effect? What fight were you watching? Lesnar had no problem knocking the man down and if he wasn't so in love with wrestling, he probably could have beat him in a stand-up fight.
Posted By: Vallejo (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 02:11 PM
you guys forgot about Werdum in the HW title mix, he's already supposed to have the next shot after Nog/Mir since he already beat Gonzaga and Vera!
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 03:11 PM
I second what Red Cloud said plus will also add that Brock also wanted to not make any mistakes and SECURE THE WIN. What if he went for a submission and Heath reversed it!?! I would like to see Brock vs Fedor and Brock vs Bobby Lashley and/or Kevin Randleman for curiosity sake.
Posted By: El Duro (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 03:31 PM
LOL... Brock vs. Fedor
Brock has shown he's good, but he's not nearly good enough for Fedor yet.
Didn't forget about Werdum at all... the UFC did. Werdum last fought in June and won by a sketchy early ref stoppage. If he's next in line for the title, he'll be sitting on the bench for roughly a year- I don't see that happening. He'll need to fight at least once more to keep him busy and in the limelight. Either the UFC will give him an easier opponent (Hardonk comes to mind) or they'll push the fight hard and give him Cain.
Brock would be in line after Werdum (if he continues to win)... but he'd need to fight another BJJ specialist before even looking at Big Nog and Cheick isn't that guy.
Either throw Brock in with Gonzaga as a chance to show himself against a BJJ guy again- as well as helping Gabriel move back up the line if he wins... or skip that step and put him straight in with Werdum, although I don't think Brock is ready or deserving of that just yet.
Posted By: cyks (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 04:08 PM
So, this comment is a few days late, but I have had a few days to think about UFC 87. Specfically the Florian/Huerta fight. One thing I just can't get past is WHY DIDN'T HUERTA'S CORNER TELL HIM TO TRY A SUPERMAN PUNCH???
Posted By: Heather G (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 08:24 PM
Brock vs. Undertaker.....
Book It!
Posted By: furey (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 08:51 PM
has anyone seen or heard from Heath Herring since Saturday night. I have been scouring the internet for some sort of update.
Posted By: Bob (Guest) on August 11, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Medical suspensions haven't been released yet - but I wouldn't expect much from Herring...he was seriously mess at the end of the fight, but it was all superficial cuts - nothing too serious. I'd expect him to be out for the standard to months (or what ever it is) for his face to heal... but not more then that. it wasn't like he tore a muscle or broke anything.
Posted By: Guest#0265 (Guest) on August 12, 2008 at 01:17 AM
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