Hit the Mat 10.06.08: Why Couture is the Underdog
Posted by Matt McEwen on 10.06.2008
Already read 43 articles about Kimbo Slice and Frank Shamrock? Well, here's one about one of the biggest fights in the history of the UFC, and why the defending champion should be the underdog against the rookie.
First off, I know you'll be reading this the Monday after the big Elite XC on CBS show, but you won't hear a word about that from me. Why? you ask. Well, that's because I flew to New York Thursday for a jiu jitsu convention, and therefore wrote this Wednesday night/Thursday morning. So, while I have no idea how the fight goes, I sure hope Ken Shamrock has been woken up from the KO I'm 99.9% sure he suffered (will suffer? This past/future tense confusion is confusing me). That, or I hope the egg is off my face by the time you read this.
So now that you know why I'm not talking about the current biggest story in the MMA world, how about we talk what will be the biggest story in about 4 weeks. Yes, I like to jump the gun, but this could still be really fun, so I'm OK with that. And yes, I was the kid who tried to eat his dessert before his dinner.
What is that I want to jump the gun and talk about? Well, if you read the teaser to this article, then you already know that it is the upcoming UFC Heavyweight title fight between challenger Brock Lesnar and defending champion Randy Couture. And, well, I'm willing to bet my thoughts on the fight are little bit different that a lot of peoples'.
Before the nitty gritty though, how about a little set up.
We all know who Lesnar is - the former NCAA national wrestling champion who skipped out on trying for the Olympics and instead signed on with WWE and put together an impressive but short run as the face of pro wrestling in North America. He turned his back on that, tried out for the Minnesota Vikings despite not having played football of any type in nearly a decade and came ridiculously close to making the team given that fact. From there, he turned his eyes on MMA, won his first fight in a brutal mismatch, got tapped out by a former heavyweight champion in his second fight, made a tough mid-level fighter look like an amateur in his third and is now preparing for a title shot.
We all know who Couture is - a three time Olympic alternate who entered the MMA world in his 30's, has made a career of winning when he was thought to have no chance, is a three time UFC heavyweight champion and a two time light heavyweight champion, has walked away from the heavyweight title twice in his career, desperately wants to fight Fedor, and will be fighting for the first time in 15 months at the ripe young age of 45.
Here is something that has been a bit lost in all of the build up to the fight (so far at least). It's not entirely coincidental that Couture announced his "resignation" from the UFC less than two weeks prior to the announcement that Brock Lesnar had signed with the organization. Some of Couture's disgruntlement was reportedly caused by the financial amount that Lesnar was requesting (and ultimately received), feeling that some of the building blocks of the UFC weren't making that kind of money and being insulted that a rookie would be. It was not the only reason, but it certainly was a factor.
So now, 13 months after leaving, Couture steps back in against Lesnar who, after two fights in the UFC is still essentially an unknown. We saw a frenetic fighter who wanted to finish Frank Mir off within the opening minute, but in his exuberance allowed himself to be caught in a knee bar. He was all strength and aggression as he bullied the 250lb Mir around, but his striking was technically weak and sloppy and his submission defence was obviously not up to par. In his second outing, he dominated another 250lb fighter in Heath Herring, riding the big Texan for three rounds after flooring him with a huge meat hook of a right hand. While he was dominant and never in any danger against Herring, he looked hesitant/unable to take advantage of the dominant positions he had. Was he just being cautious, or was he just in wrestling mode? We will find out when he steps in with Couture.
But even if he is just a one dimensional wrestler who will have a hard time finishing, can Couture deal with that from a man as big and strong as Lesnar, who is likely to have a 50 or 60lbs weight advantage at fight time?
History would say no.
During his second stint in the UFC, Couture defeated Kevin Randleman for the heavyweight title in his return fight. While Randleman is certainly a physically strong wrestler, he was an undersized heavyweight who would later drop down a division. As champion, his two title defenses were against Pedro Rizzo in two entertaining fights. Rizzo, while a legit heavyweight, utilizes very little ground game in his MMA repertoire as he is a dangerous striker.
His next two fights illustrate the point I want to make. In his third defense, Couture went head to head with Josh Barnett. Barnett used his superior size to control Couture on the ground and was able to pound out a TKO victory and hand him his first loss in the UFC. Barnett ended up in a steroid controversy after that fight, and vacated the title. Couture took on Ricco Rodriguez (pre-Celebrity Rehab and many buckets of chicken) for the title, but the results were quite similar. He was able to hang in and even control the early rounds of the fight, but over time Rodriguez was able to use his 30lb size advantage to control Couture on the ground and pounded away for most of the third and fourth round, before finishing Couture in the fifth round. An exhausted Couture took several shots to his face and verbally submitted due to suffering an eye injury.
The common factor in those two losses - which were the reason that Couture dropped down to light heavyweight and set up his epic trilogy with Chuck Liddell - was a larger man with good top control grinding out a win with Couture unable to escape.
Lesnar makes both Barnett and Rodriguez look small.
Looking at Couture's two fights post-retirement (hello, oxymoron) might suggest that he might be past such issues. He took the title away from the 6'8, 265lb Tim Sylvia and then defended it against the 6'1, 242lb Gabriel Gonzaga. Look a little deeper though, and the answers aren't that clear.
The Sylvia fight is a complete nonsequitor. He is big, yes, but when was the last time you saw him take a fight to the ground and pound our a win. Yeah...me neither. Not exactly the prototype of the argument I'm making here.
Gonzaga, however, is a different story. He's a big, strong guy with a good ground game. Prior to destroying anything mythical about Mirko Cro Cop with that brutal head kick, Gonazaga had spent most of the round pounding the Croatian on the ground. Couture himself said that Gonzaga is the exact style of fighter that has given him troubles in the past. In their fight however, Couture was able to take the fight out of Gonzaga - partially due to a headbutt that broke the Brazilian's nose - and stopped him in the third round. Here is the problem with declaring Couture's problems solved though - Gonzaga has proven to be an up and down fighter who can mentally be taken out of a fight before he is physically...though that part follows not too long after. Did Couture actually solve his problems, or did he just solve Gonzaga?
Throughout his career, Couture has proven adept at winning fights he was thought to have no chance in, and doing so in ways he was thought to have no business even trying (ie KO'ing Vitor Belfort and beating Chuck Liddell with his stand up). He's been able to find weaknesses in fighters and train to exploit them, but what will he do when, for the first time in 5 years, he runs into someone who is custom built to beat him?
I have - and still do - hold to the axiom of "Never bet against Couture" when it comes to MMA, and I would not start here.
But for the life of me, I can not see how he handles Lesnar.
The other (very) important fact about Gonzaga in regards to Couture is that while Gonzaga's striking and ground game can be superb, he's extremely weak in wrestling.
Randy had very little problem holding the much larger Gabriel up against the cage and dirty box him at will. I seriously doubt he'd have the same luck in doing that with Brock.
Randy's only chance would be take a cue from Liddell's book and use his wrestling skills to stay standing and to keep Brock away so they can box... and then PRAY that Brock has the weaker chin - but considering that Brock's only thrown (and landed) 2 punches in his UFC career, one putting Mir down on his ass and the other crushing Herring's face (literally) and sending him rolling across the canvas... trying to stand and bang may not be the smartest option for Randy either.
Brock is much bigger, stronger, faster, younger, a better wrestler, and his punching power seems Godlike although sloppy.
Randy better come up with one of his legendary plans if he's to have any chance.
Randy is not a KO or submission artist by any stretch of the imagination- winning the majority of his fights by GNP.
Posted By: cyks (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Uh-oh, Captain America going into a fight as an underdog...
The size difference between the two is something like a LHW fighting a HW. Lesnar is huge, has devastating power in both hands and - with his size - could probably wrestle - and win - a full-grown grizzly bear.
On paper it looks hella bad for Randy. He fought and won a much-bigger-in-every-respect fighter in Sylvia, but Lesnar is even bigger. Hell, it's a small wonder that a man that big can cut into 265.
The only asset Randy has going into that fight is his experience. Here's hoping it will be enough.
On a side note - assuming Brock wins both Randy and Nog. Will he be a HW version of Anderson Silva?
Posted By: woody (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 03:05 AM
Randy will wreck Brock. Brock is only getting the title shot because of his name. Good for him, but Randy has a lot more experience.
Posted By: T-Mac (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Good article, and finally a good look at this fight. I think your last two lines sum it up for me. I think Randy's best bet for this fight is to seriously up his jiu-jitsu and try and catch Lesnar. That or pray Lesnar would prefer to stand, though as you hinted, that's no picnic either.
Posted By: Last_Rider (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 03:50 PM
For the person calling Brocks punching power God-like than what would you call Chucks or Alexanders or Rampages? These guys (especially Chuck) have multiple one-punch KO's, how many does Brock have again? oh, that's right, ZERO. Brock dropped Mir and Herring and continued to pound both men .. and guess what? He LOST to one of them and couldn't finish the other one in 15 minutes of trying. A lot of MMA fighters get dropped by a punch, a lot get finished by a punch. Neither Mir nor Herring got finished by one or multiple punches from the "GOD-LIKE" puncher, Brock. Give me a break. He's huge and strong and looks like he has "some" power in his fists, but doesn't appear to be the Mike Tyson of MMA, more like the typical heavyweight who has a "Decent" punch.
As for him being a better wrestler than Randy? Well, Randy's credentials are no doubt better. Brock wasn't chosen as an Olympic alternate like Randy was (twice). That alone means Randy is (or was) of higher caliber. Now, Brock certainly has good credentials, not taking anything away from him (or his one legit win over Herring), but to say he's a better wrestler than Randy is a bit of a stretch. That being said, he's a lot bigger and stronger and younger, not to mention quicker so any advantage Randy may have as far as wresting goes may be nullified. I'm still picking Randy, he's the smartest most prepared MMA fighter out there and betting against him is not a wise choice. I think he'll find a way to win and probably do so in a way we all least expect... "You mean he knocked Brock out????????? NO WAY!" You never know.
Posted By: Ed (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 05:05 PM
actually, i noticed that brock throws short punches, and those who know knockout artists, know that you draw back, rotate the hips into the shot, i put money on it that if brock were to get a striking coach his hands would look much crisper and his hits would knock people out
Posted By: just a drifter (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Brock can basically be named, "Couture 2.0"
Posted By: daniel (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 07:47 PM
When are people going to learn that wrestling credentials mean little in MMA? I'm pretty sure that Koscheck's wrestling credentials would blow GSP's out of the water, yet GSP handled him quite easily in their fight. Being an accomplished wrestler is definitely a plus an MMA, but just cause one guy had a better wrestling career does not mean he will have the advantage in the cage.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on October 06, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Well, just because someone has three MMA fights certainly doesn't give him any advantage whatsoever in the cage over a guy who has been fighting in the cage for a decade, oh, and who just happens to be a FIVE-TIME CHAMPION and current champion! To say wrestling credentials mean little in MMA is absurd. There's always exceptions like GSP (a freak of nature), but the rule is, fighters with a wrestling base have gone on to great things and the wrestling no doubt has helped them in becoming champions, Chuck, Hughes, Randy ring a bell? Can you honestly say their wresting didn't play a big part in their success?
Posted By: Ed (Guest) on October 08, 2008 at 06:38 AM
The problem is it's hard to say Randy is a better wrestler based on credentials. Lesnar technically had a much more impressive college resume and therefore the problem is always going to be the question of if Lesnar would have been a better olympic wrestler had he not went into the WWE.
You can argue with that all you like, but the fact is saying one of better than the other at this point is purely speculation. Nobody will know until UFC 91.
Posted By: Anon (Guest) on October 08, 2008 at 08:07 PM
Hey is this Port Jeff McEwen? If it is its me dylan, the kid who wants to bea fighter too. I completely agree with this. But i believe we'll see a similar fight like the one with Mir.
Posted By: Dylan Germanis (Guest) on October 09, 2008 at 10:15 AM