Cecil Peoples Comments on Shogun/Machida Controversy.
Posted by Jeffrey Harris on 10.28.2009
Cecil Peoples tells fans to "go to hell."
Steven Marrocco of MMA Weekly has a new article interviewing controversial MMA judge, Cecil Peoples. Peoples was one of the judges for the light heavyweight title bout between Mauricio Rua and Lyoto Machida at UFC 104. Cecil Peoples recently stated that he felt that leg kicks do not finish fights nor are they an effective form of striking. Peoples also felt that Machida dominated and controlled the action by making Shogun follow and come to him during the fight.
According to the article, Peoples apparently had no doubts about his scoring of the bout, but admits to having struggling with how to score the first round. The 61 year old Peoples attributes to the fan outcry of his judging to his unique name always being announced last before a fight. Peoples says, "The fans and all the naysayers, I don't worry about. I don't back down because it's not popular."
Peoples goes on to saying he did not review the fight or the stats again and the only time he has done so was for the the BJ Penn/GSP fight from UFC 58. According to Peoples, in a fight that's close quality of damage is most important "My thing is, Rua did hit him more. But Machida hit him harder, especially in the early rounds," says Peoples.
Peoples goes on to say, "I'm really perplexed about how you give (Rua) this round, because Shogun was kicking (Machida) a lot in the legs, but every time he kicked him in the legs, he got hit in the face. Shogun would put his hand up, and Machida would go right through, sweat's flying off (Rua's) face. Shogun kicked (Machida) in the belly – that's how he got the red mark. But you gotta remember, Machida is stepping back, so when he gets kicked, he's getting brushed. But he counters Shogun with a hard kick to the belly. Which one counts more for the exchange? I give it to the (second one), because it was harder. It wasn't brushed."
Regarding Machida's control of the fight: "Machida was controlling that round because he was dominant in not getting beat up in that round. He was the general in that first round."
Peoples, who has a background in kickboxing and karate, also responded to irate fans that think Peoples should not be in the MMA judging profession: "If you don't like it, you can go to hell."
Posted By: The Jerk (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 09:35 PM
"Cecil Peoples recently stated that he felt that leg kicks do not finish fights nor are they an effective form of striking. Peoples also felt that Machida dominated and controlled the action by making Shogun follow and come to him during the fight."
follow and come to him = RUNNING AWAY FOR 25 MIN. YOU DUMB FUCK
Posted By: cenasucks (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 09:54 PM
This guy was a horrible boxing judge long before he got his reputation in MMA. He has a long history of scoring fights before they were fought.
I supposed he had a big bet on Machida.
Posted By: RedVexx (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Cecil, always keepin' it classy.
Posted By: Alex Mattis (Registered) on October 28, 2009 at 10:11 PM
We are already there Cecil, we have you as a MMA judge.
Posted By: dff (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Because Cecil knows better than Dana White, every fighter on the planet except Machida, Thompson & Anderson Silva, and most fans.
Cecil's previous explanation for his scoring was crap, and frankly I really do hope the UFC never runs a show in California again until the CSAC promises to get judges that are, you know, competent.
Posted By: Vordeo (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 10:33 PM
What a douche
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Haha, that awesome. Go Peoples! I urge people who are still pissed off about this fight to rewatch it without commentary, and you can see that Machida won the fight. I thought Shogun won right after the fight. Then you start to realize how biased the commentary was.
Either way, we need a rematch. Shogun did a great job considering.
Posted By: Tubby (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Wow, he should probably ask Machida what he thinks about Rua's kicks not being effective. Sure looked like Machida was hurting from them, but I guess my untrained eye must have missed something there.
Posted By: Guest#9776 (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 11:21 PM
*lol* Nice way to tell everyone off but sadly he probably should've just said I'm judge nough said. You're not gonna please everyone all the time.
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 11:42 PM
How did this tool even get his job in the first place? It sure wasn't competence.
Posted By: Guest#4414 (Guest) on October 28, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Well apparently Crocop and others never got the memo on legs kicks !
also who can a judge ascertain damage as in actual force of a punch they are not doctors or fortune tellers? It's about scoring points !
IOf that is ciels argument than please address why Machicad needed 12 stitches in and outside of his upper lips, knee and inner thigh was scanned for damage and he is suspended from competing for 60 to 90 days !
I guess by Ceil peoples own argument than Rua should have won hiuh! !
Posted By: Guest#0071 (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:20 AM
You can go to hell???? He actually said that??? That made me laugh out loud! I think the fans are finally breaking him. Hillarious.
Posted By: Bruno (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:23 AM
This is why I left the UFC!
Posted By: Big John (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM
People's (with a capital P) is speaking the truth, and is more knowledgeable than most of you peoples (with a minuscule p) that can't spell.
Posted By: retards beware (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Tubby, I personally haven't watched the fight without commentary but there are about 14,000 people who have and were pretty vocal about who they thought won right after the decision...
BTW, 15/16 media outlets who consistently report on the sport had the fight to Rua with more than half of them having the fight scored 4 rounds for him...
Just sayin...
Posted By: BrandoCommando (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 01:25 AM
Keep it up Shogun fans, just 1 million more tears and the fairy godmother will wave her magic wand and take the belt from Machida and place it snugly against Shoguns waist! Might want to click your heels a few times while you are at it!
In all seriousness, this was a close match, I think Machida did enough to win 3 rounds and thus defend the title. I think Shogun had an excellent game plan but he did not capitalize on it, which IMHO tells me he was still concerned about Machida even with him hurting from the leg kicks. At no time did I not think Machida could not have ended that fight had he gotten the chance, apparently so did Shogun as he elected to cruise rounds 4 and 5 rather than risk getting KO’d.
Anyways, its over with lets move on and see what the rematch brings from both of these excellent fighters.
Posted By: anon (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 05:12 AM
There is no way Machida won. I watchd it twice, second time without comentary. By round 5, Machida was broken, and shogun was just getting started.
Machida landed a couple of shots, some weak knees, and a couple of kicks. Shogun landed shots, elbow, harder kicks, harder knees, and was generally making Lyoto run.
Posted By: Samson (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 06:19 AM
Ultimately if you don't like the judges...finish the fight
Posted By: Ingwa (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 06:25 AM
Someone should ask Cecil Peoples if he would get into the ring with Shogun if Shogun was only allowed to leg kick him?
Something tells me he would say no.
Posted By: ERX (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 08:58 AM
"If you don't like it, you can go to hell."
I'm glad to hear the UFC has a level headed judge in place who doesn't take criticism personally.
Posted By: Anthony (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 09:43 AM
You couldn't hear the commentary in the bar where I was watching, and everyone still thought the decision was crap.
Posted By: Anthony (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 09:46 AM
You would think considering Peoples has a background in kickboxing, that he would know kicking is very effective...and i've watch the fight without commentary and it didn't change my score card.
Posted By: Its Shogun Nigga (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Since fucking when is hanging back controlling the octagon? Machida was overly cautious - some would say negative - and deserved to lose.
As for the commentary being biased, that's what tends to happen when one fighter is doing all the pressing while the other pusses out and hits a few knees to counter.
Aggression, Octagon control and accurate strikes...Shogun won, no question.
Posted By: dennett316 (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 10:12 AM
wah wah wah, Shogun got robbed.
If Shogun wanted the belt that bad, he should've finished Machida off when he had the chance. NEVER leave a title fight to decision.
And besides, all signs point to a rematch anyways so I don't see why people are still bitching.
Posted By: the triple germans (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Didn't Forrest beat Rampage due to very effective leg kicks? Didn't Jardine beat Liddell with the help of very effective leg kicking?
Posted By: Todd Vote (Registered) on October 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM
I don't know why everyone is so mad at 1 judge when ALL 3 judges gave the same decision. If you look carefully at the fight a 2nd time you will see most of the kicks were checked and blocked and the counters actually hit cleanly
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM
"According to the article, Peoples apparently had no doubts about his scoring of the bout, but admits to having struggling with how to score the first round."
There's a contradiction right there. He had no doubts about his scoring, but admits having struggled with round one. If Shogun won round one, Cecil would have judged him the winner.
Then he says that he did not review the fight. You can see a lot more on a second or third viewing of a fight. For example, how Machida missed most of his counter strike head shots. (By miss, I mean miss entirely or hit the arms/shoulders, etc...)
Posted By: Gregor (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Cecil is a peace of shit. I hope Rua leg kicks him and we see how much damage the kicks do. Go fuck yourself you fucking peace of shit corrupt backhander taking asshole.
Posted By: Cecil is a peace of shit (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM
cecil people's justification is as ignorant as a bag of broken hammers. what is shogun supposed to do? back up and lose because he's not aggressive enough and is afraid to engage? he'd lost doing that also. leg kicks do finish fights most definitely. look at cro cop vs yoshida for best example, or ruas vs varelans. even pedro rizzo vs dan severn. this guy's a real flake and he needs to retire. pure, unadulterated hogwash coming from his mouth about the scoring.
Posted By: stonehandsmike (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM
so machida won the fight but did machida win the fight?
Posted By: Guest#8433 (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 12:33 PM
ok 1st off the UFC does not pick the judges, the state athletic commission picks them and secondly im a Machida fan and i think he clearly lost the fight due to fight control and damage
Posted By: Guest#9492 (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 01:39 PM
Really though all this is unneccessary as there will be a rematch soon and honestly why piss and moan Shogun got robbed lets look at why this is a up side. The up is this could be an awesome rivilary its a match up right out of Tekken or Street Fighter. Machida the slick karate master vs. Shogun the brutual kickboxer, so why piss and moan cause now we got an honest to goodness rivilary.
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 02:16 PM
this guy has to be removed from scoring matches he just said leg kicking doesn't win fights so anyone who leg kicks and has him as a judge now knows they are screwed. Also has he seen the Forrest/Rampage fight?
Posted By: thejyav (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 06:55 PM
Publicly telling the public to go to hell is awful and unprofessional. I officiate wrestling at the high school level and used to be on the executive board for the state officials' association.
If one of our officials had done something like that - he likely would have been suspended. I can't imagine those who officiate pro sports won't be held to an even stricter standards - Peoples should be held accountable for crossing the line.
One notable thing about Peoples' judging on this fight, is that every single judge had the same score. I thought Rua won, but I'll be honest, I've never read the full rules, let alone gone through whatever training they go through.
Posted By: Jamie (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 08:19 PM
Cecil Peoples recently stated that he felt that leg kicks do not finish fights
Is this clown for real? This was UFC 104, and at UFC 102, Pat Barry beat Dan Evensen by... YUP! TKO via leg kicks.
Peoples, I'm beggin' ya, tell that to Pat Barry's face in the Octogan, moron.
Posted By: Jon (Guest) on October 29, 2009 at 09:02 PM
Who the hell cares about a rivalry? They only exist because someone got ripped off. Cecil, you're the problem just like MLB umpires, NBA and NFL refs; you think just because you've been doing this for 80-90 years makes you the best. You're an old dog that refuses to learn the new game in town.
Posted By: TheR (Guest) on October 30, 2009 at 05:46 AM
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