411's UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun Report 10.24.09
Posted by Jeremy Lambert on 10.25.2009
Lyoto Machida retained his UFC Light Heavyweight title, picking up a controversial decision over challenger "Shogun" Rua. Elsewhere, Cain Velasquez remained undefeated by dominating Ben Rothwell, Joe Stevenson turned in an impressive performance against Spencer Fisher, and Anthony Johnson made short work of Yoshiyuki Yoshida. Click for the full report.
UFC 104: Machida vs. Shogun
From the Staples Center in Los Angeles, California
Live on SpikeTV & PPV
-Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan welcome everyone to the prelim card on Spike. Rogan breaks down Schafer/Bader saying Schafer wants it on the ground for a submission and Bader want to land a big bomb on the feet.
-Video preview for Barry vs. Hardonk.
Heavyweight Fight: Antoni Hardonk (8-5) vs. Pat Barry (4-1)
Round One: Big right by Barry. Barry with a left as Hardonk throws a weak body kick. One-two by Barry. Leg kick by Hardonk. Barry returns fires. Good right by Barry. They trade leg kicks. Barry switches stances. Barry gets poked in the eye and that forces a quick stoppage. Barry quickly ready to fight again. More leg kicks by Barry. Knee to the body by Hardonk. Barry wincing a lot from the eye poke. Body kick by Barry. More good leg kicks by Hardonk. Barry trying to counter the leg kick with the right hand. Right hand by Barry and Hardonk is down. Hardonk going for a takedown but Barry uses strong hips to put him on his back. Barry in side control. Hardonk gets half guard. Barry gets side control again. Hardonk scrambles to his feet. Two good right hands by Barry. Head kick blocked by Barry. More leg kicks by Hardonk. Left hand followed by a leg kick by Hardonk. Jab by Barry. Hardonk bleeding out of the nose. Body kick by Barry. The round ends. 10-9 Barry.
Round Two: Barry with a huge mouse under the right eye from the poke. Leg kick by Hardonk. Good right straight by Hardonk. Barry ;ands a good combo. Big left hand by Barry. Another combo and Hardonk goes down. He's up quick. Right hand by Barry. Body kick by Barry. They clinch and Hardonk tries a takedown but Barry shoves him off. Jab by Hardonk. Barry returns with a jab of his own. Big left straight by Barry. Counter right by Barry as Hardonk moves forward. Right hand drops Hardonk. Barry pounces on him. Another right hand and the ref jumps in.
Official Decision: Pat Barry by TKO at 2:30 in Round Two
-Barry gives Joe Rogan a big hug before the interview. "What were you thinking when he poked you in the eye?" "Ouch." Barry very emotional, near tears. Barry with a backflip and he lands it perfectly. GSP eat your heart out.
Heavyweight Fight: Chase Gormley (6-0) vs. Stefan Struve (21-3)
Round One: Body kick by Struve. Struve grabs a plum clinch. Gormley with punches to the body and gets a takedown. Gormley in guard. Gormley picks up Struve and slams him down. Gormley landing good elbows in the guard. Struve rolls for a leg lock. Gormley looking for a leg lock of his own. Struve rolls and gets better position. Struve trying to lock in a heel hook. Struve uses the position to get on top of Gormley and in guard. Struve passes to side control. Gormley turns into him. Struve looking for a darce choke. Gormley gets out and up to his feet. They clinch and Struve gets a trip takedown. Gormley rolls for a leg lock but Struve blocks it and is still on top. Struve with heavy hammerfists as Gormley continues to fight for the leg lock. Struve moves to mount. Struve locks in the triangle from the top, rolls to his back, and Gormley has no choice but to tap.
Official Decision: Stefan Struve by Submission (Triangle Choke) at 4:04 in Round One
-Struve says he's only 21 and he's getting better every fight.
-Video preview for Schafer vs. Bader
Light Heavyweight Fight: Eric Schafer (13-3-2) vs. Ryan Bader (10-0)
Round One: Right hand grazes Schafer. Double jab short by Schafer. Big swing and miss by Bader. Both swinging and missing. Good punches by Bader but it hits gloves. Left hook by Bader. Schafer covering well. Counter left by Schager. Good right by Bader. Jab by Bader. Big right hand by Bader. ANother big right drops Schafer. Bader all over him. Schafer keeping his composure. Big right on the ground by Bader. Schafer tries to get up but he gives up his back. Bader slams him down. Schafer gets up and Bader teeing off with Schafer against the cage covering. Bader gets another takedown. Bader has turtle position. Hammerfists by Bader. Schafer looking for a kimura. Bader pulls out but Schafer gets guard. Schafer goes for an omaplata. Bader pulls out and lands a big right. Bader back in guard. Bader pulls out and stands over Schafer. Schafer gets up as the round ends. 10-9 Bader.
Round Two: Leg kick by Bader. Schafer comes back with a right. Bader accidentally poked in the eye. Bader quickly recovers. Stiff jab by Bader. Good right by Bader. Schafer pressing forward but punches are short. Good counter right by Schafer. Stiff jab by Schafer. They trade jabs. Schafer scoring a lot with the counter left. Left hook by Bader. Good right by Schafer. Right straight by Schafer. Bader loading up and missing with the right and it's getting countered over and over. Left hook by Schafer stumbles Bader back a bit. Counter right by Schafer. Counter right by Bader. Straight right by Schafer. They clinch and Schafer with good dirty boxing. Good right hand by Schafer. Bader goes for a takedown but the round ends. 10-9 Schafer.
Round Three: Schafer pawing with the jab. Big right hand by Bader wobbles Schafer. Bader moves forward and Schafer goes down. Schafer gets his composure and has full guard. Schafer cut near the eye. Bader pulls out of guard and to his feet. The ref checks on the cut and it appears to be on the bridge of the nose. The fight continues back on the feet. Left by Bader. Both missing with their punches. Schafer scoring with the counter right. Schafer winning most exchanges on the feet. Stiff jab by Bader. Bader shoots and Schafer goes for a guillotine but Bader moves to side control to escape. Bader just controlling Schafer on the ground, landing no punches. Schafer gets guard and goes for an omoplata but the round ends. 10-9 Bader.
Official Decision: Ryan Bader by Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-26, 30-27)
-Joe Rogan is with Dana White. Dana says Machida vs. Rua will be the best Light Heavyweight fight in years. They continue to hype Machida vs. Rua. BUY THE PPV! "ORDER IT BITCHES! DON'T BE CHEAP!"
-The usual gladiator intro opens the PPV. Rothwell says he's going to hit Cain hard, Cain says he doesn't care about hype. Machida says he's going to win with strength and speed, Shogun says winning the belt is his dream.
-Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan remain the hosts. Rogan really hyping "Shogun" as a threat to Machida even mentioning that his resting heart rate was the lowest of all the fighters. They run down the rest of the card.
-Video preview for Yoshida vs. Johnson.
Welterweight Fight: Yoshiyuki Yoshida (11-3) vs. Anthony Johnson (7-2)
Round One: Right uppercut by Johnson. They clinch and Johnson with dirty boxing. Uppercut by Johnson. Big right straight by Johnson. Yoshida is down and the ref jumps in right away.
Official Decision: Anthony Johnson by TKO at :41 in Round One
-Johnson apologizes for missing weight and says he got heavy due to a knee injury.
-Video preview for UFC 105: Couture vs. Vera featuring Randy Couture vs. Brandon Vera, Dan Hardy vs. Mike Swick, and Michael Bisping vs. Denis Kang.
-Video preview for Fisher vs. Stevenson.
Lightweight Fight: Spencer Fisher (24-4) vs. Joe Stevenson (35-10)
Round One: They trade inside leg kicks. Right hand by Fisher as Stevenson moves in. Left hook by Stevenson but Fisher fires back with a right. Body kick by Fisher. Fisher cut next to the eye. Stevenson shoots but Fisher sprawls. They end up in a clinch with Fisher against the cage. Stevenson drops to a single but Fisher stays on his feet. Stevenson switches to a double. Fisher forces him up and into a clinch. Knee by Fisher. Blood looks to be getting in the eye of Fisher. The ref breaks them. Right hand by Stevenson. Quick clinch and break. Left hand by FIsher. Inside leg kick followed by a one-two by Fisher. Stevenson shoots and Fisher sprawls. Stevenson switches to the back though. Stevenson drags him to the ground. Stevenson has the back but with no hooks. Punches and hammerfists by Stevenson as the round ends. 10-9 Stevenson.
Round Two: Inside leg kick by Fisher. Hard right by Stevenson. Left hook by Stevenson. Grazing left by Stevenson. Stevenson catches a body kick and gets a takedown off of it. Stevenson in guard. Elbows from the bottom by Fisher. Good elbow from Stevenson. Stevenson drops for a leg lock but can't finish it. He does pass to half guard though. Stevenson moves to mount but Fisher escapes back to half guard. Elbows by Stevenson. Short quick elbows by Stevenson. Hard elbows by Stevenson. Fisher cut pretty bad around the eye. Punches by Stevenson now. Stevenson passes to side control. Stevenson gets the crucifix position. Stevenson just raining down elbows and the ref has no choice but to stop it.
Official Decision: Joe Stevenson by TKO at 4:03 in Round Two
-Stevenson says his sisters used to hold him down and put make up on him as a kid.
Middleweight Fight (Preliminary): Yushin Okami (24-4) vs. Chael Sonnen (24-10-1)
Round One: Sonnen shoots and Okami stuffs it. They clinch. Sonnen gets the takedown but Okami right back up. Sonnen gets the back, picks up Okami, and slams him down. Okami stands up up. Sonnen still has the back. Knees to the thighs by Sonnen. Foot stomps by Sonnen. Okami spins out and they separate. They trade jabs. Inside leg kicks by Sonnen. Sonnen mixing his strikes and finishing combos with the inside leg kick. Sonnen ducks under a punch, shoots, and gets the takedown. Okami gets butterfly guard. Okami scrambles up. Good left hand by Sonnen. More inside leg kicks by Sonnen. The round ends. 10-9 Sonnen.
Round Two: Sonnen out quickly. Good left by Okami. They trade jabs. Sonnen shoots, Okami sprawls, but Sonnen is relentless. Sonnen gets the back on the feet. Sonnen pulls Okami down but Okami scrambles back to his feet and away from Sonnen. Double jab by Sonnen. Okami scoring with the jab. Big punch by Okami but Sonnen fires right back. Good left by Okami. Good right by Sonnen. Good left by Sonnen. Sonnen constantly moving forward and throwing punches. Sonnen setting up his hands with the inside leg kick. Good left by Sonnen. Okami scoring with the jab. The round ends. 10-9 Sonnen.
Round Three: Sonnen nicely doubling up on the jab. Sonnen shoots but Okami sprawls. Good left by Sonnen. Okami fires back with a left of his own. Okami scoring with the one-two. Sonnen getting the better of every exchange. They trade jabs. Okami being a bit more aggressive this round but he really needs to turn it on. Sonnen shoots and grabs a single. Big takedown by Sonnen. Sonnen gets the back and sinks in both hooks. Punches by Sonnen. Sonnen loses the hooks but still has the back. Okami stands. Knees to the thighs by Sonnen. Okami looking for a kimura. Okami drops to guard. Sonnen's body punches forces Okami to give up the kimura attempt. Ground and pound by Sonnen. Okami scrambles and gives up his back. The round ends. 10-9 Sonnen.
Official Decision: Chael Sonnen by Unanimous Decision (30-27 across)
-Video preview for Tibau vs. Neer
Lightweight Fight: Gleison Tibau (29-6) vs. Josh Neer (25-8-1)
Round One: Tibau bgi right stumbles Neer a bit. HUGE takedown by Tibau. Neer gets guard and right back to his feet. Leg kick by Neer. Grazing left by Tibau. Another big takedown by Tibau. Neer with butterfly guard. Tibau stands over Neer. Tibau tries to throw the legs aside and pass but can't Neer back up. Leg kicks by Neer. Neer's mouthpeice falls out after a left by Tibau. Ref gets it back in. Tibau with another takedown. Tibau passes to side control but Neer scrambles back up to his feet. Push kick by Neer. Tibau scoring with the straighr left. Neer pressing forward now. Another takedown by Tibau. Butterfly guard by Neer. Elbows from the bottom by Neer. Neer gets back up and Tibau goes for a guillotine but Neer escapes. Counter left by Tibau. Uppercut by Neer. The round ends. 10-9 Tibau.
-Neer's shin appears to be hurting him as he checked it and winced after the round.
Round Two: Tibau with a quick takedown. Tibau stands over Neer and Neer gets up. They clinch and quickly break. Takedown by Tibau as Neer misses with an uppercut. Neer quickly back up. Right hand by Neer. Tibau seeming to fade. Inside leg kick by Neer. Another takedown by Tibau. Tibau standing over Neer. Tibau pushes the legs away and gets to mount. Neer scrambles but gives up his back. Neer stands with Tibau on his back. Tibau goes for an armbar. Neer pulls out and now he's in the guard of Neer. Neer moves to half guard. Tibau scrambles to his feet. Right hand by Neer. Uppercut by Neer. Jab by Tibau. Tibau shoots but Neer sprawls. Neer pressing forward. They clinch and quickly break. The round ends with a small flurry by Tibau. 10-9 Tibau.
Round Three: Left hand by Tibau and he followed with a takedown. Tibau moves to half guard. Neer escapes back to full guard. Tibau standing over Neer. He drops back into guard. Neer scrambles back to his feet. One-two by Tibau. Neer lands a good elbow in the clinch. Neer shrugs off a takedown. Push kick by Neer. Another shrugged off takedown by Neer. Neer pressing forward but not landing anything big. Right hand by Neer. Takedown by Tibau. Elbows from the bottom by Neer. Neer back to his feet. Left hand by Tibau. Neer winces again after throwing a leg kick. Neer stuffs a takedown. Tibau gets a late takedown and gets the back of Neer as the round ends. 10-9 Tibau.
Official Decision: Gleison Tibau by Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28)
-Video preview for Rothwell vs. Velasquez.
Heavyweight Fight: Ben Rothwell (30-6) vs. Cain Velasquez (6-0)
Round One: Leg kicks by Cain. Good right by Rothwell. Cain gets a single and trips Rothwell to his back. Rothwell trying to get up but Cain stays on top of him. Rothwell moves to the cage and gets to his feet. Cain picks him up and puts him down. Rothwell gets up though. Big exchanges. Right by Cain. Uppercut by Rothwell. Cain grabs a single and dumps Rothwell down. Cain moves to side control. Short punches by Cain. Rothwell scrambles but Cain keeps the position. Rothwell scrambles and gets to his feet. Another takedown by Cain right into side control. Big elbows by Cain. Cain stands over Rothwell and rains down punches. Cain back on top of Rothwell. Cain gets the mount. Rothwell escpaes but eating punches. Cain standing over. Cain pushes the legs away and mounts. Heavy punches by Cain. Rothwell surviving. Rothwell gives up his back. Rothwell gets up and Cain puts him back down. Cain standing over and dropping punches. Cain has turtle position. Hammerfists by Cain. Big punches by Cain. Rothwell stands and they break as the round ends. 10-9 Cain, possibly 10-8.
Round Two: Rothwell misses badly with a high kick. One-two by Cain. Cain gets a single and drags Rothwell down. Turtle position for Cain. Heavy punches that are rocking Rothwell. Rothwell trying to wall walk up the cage. Cain pins his arm and lands heavy punches. The ref jumps in and stops it.
-Rothwell very unhappy with the stoppage. On replay Rothwell was clearly on his way to getting to his feet as the ref stopped it.
Official Decision: Cain Velasquez by TKO at :58 in Round Two
-Cain thought the fight may have been stopped early. Cain sounds disappointed with his performance.
-80% of the fans think Machida vs. Rua will end in TKO, 13% for submission, 7% for decision.
-Inside the numbers: Machida never been knocked down in 15 fights, never lost a UFC round, least hit fighter in UFC history. Shogun never been knocked down in UFC, 46% strike accuracy.
-Rogan breaks down the main event and does his Machida impression.
-Video preview for Rua vs. Machida
UFC Light Heavyweight Title Fight: Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-3) vs. Lyoto Machida (15-0) (c)
Round One: Left hook by Rua. They clinch. Knees to the body by Machida. They break. Body kick by Machida. Leg kick by Rua. They clinch. Knee by Machida. Rua presses Machida against the cage. Knees to the thighs by Rua. They break. Body kick by Machida. Rua fires back with a leg kick. Knee to the body by Machida but Rua ties him up. They break. Right hand by Machida after a leg kick by Rua. Leg kick by Rua. Body kick by Machida. Counter right by Rua. Body kick by Rua. The round ends. Very close round. Slight edge to Rua. 10-9 Rua.
Round Two: Head kick blocked thrown by Machida. Leg kick by Rua. Left hand by Machida followed by a right. Body kick by Rua. Left by Machida. Knee to the body by Machida as Rua moves forward. Rua has a single. Machida escapes. Machida tries a leg sweep but Rua stays up. Body kick by Machida. Rua returns fire. They both connect with a body kick. Knee to the body by Machida. They clinch. Knees to the thighs by Rua. They trade knees to the body. Knees to the thighs by Rua. They break. The round ends. Another close round. I think Rua won with the clinch work at the end. 10-9 Rua.
Round Three: Body kick by Rua. Big right followed by a body kick by Machida. Leg kick by Rua. Body kick by Machida. Leg kick by Rua. Machida constantly switching stances. Quick clinch and break. Leg kick by Rua. Rua lands a leg kick just as Machida throws a body kick. Body kick by Rua and Machida counters with a left. Body kick by Machida. Leg kick by Rua. Right hand by Machida. Both men swinging wild. Machida winning the exchange but Rua lands a good right at the end. The rounds. Another close round but that late exchange probably won Machida the round. 10-9 Machida.
Round Four: Not much happening early as Machida avoids the leg kicks. Rua catches him with a couple of grazing leg kicks. Body kick by Rua. Machida throws a head kick but Rua blocks it. Machida throws a leg kick and slips. Rua right on him. Rua has a double and Machida pressed against the cage. They break. Leg kick by Rua and Machida counters with a right. Leg kick by Rua, Machida fires back with a right. Right hand by Machida as Rua moves in. Quick clinch and Rua lands an elbow on the break. Right hand by Machida. Leg kick by Rua. The round ends. Another close round. 10-9 Rua.
Round Five: Leg kick by Rua. Knee to the body by Machida. Right hand by Machida as Rua throws a jumping body kick. Leg kick by Rua. Body kick by Machida. Knee to the body by Machida. They clinch. Knees to the thighs by Rua. The ref breaks them. Body kick by Rua. Knee to the body by Machida. Elbow by Rua in the tight. Knee to the body by Machida as Rua moves in. Rua grazes him with a right. A clinch and a break. The round ends. 10-9 Machida.
-Very close fight. Rua seemed to do just enough to win three of five rounds but who knows with these judges. Could go either way.
Official Decision: STILL UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Lyoto Machida by Unanimous Decision (48-47 across)
-The crowd boos the decision.
-Machida says it was the toughest fight of his UFC career and seemed open to the idea of an immediate rematch.
-Rua says, "a fight is a fight, what can you do?"
-They replay the Struve vs. Gormley fight that air during the SpikeTV broadcast.
Posted By: Dean (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:00 AM
shogun got robbed.
Posted By: angry ufc fan (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:00 AM
RUA WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!
Posted By: Choppersson (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:01 AM
Shogun got robbed!!! I tell ya robbed!
Posted By: Scottyieoittie (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:01 AM
I can see where Machida won the fight, but just barely. I actually had him definitively taking round 2, and possibly round 5, with round 3 too close to call. Sorry Shogun, you can't leave it up to the judges, especially when a fight is that close and you want the belt. Still an historic night, Machida has finally lost rounds in the UFC.
Posted By: Duncan (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:02 AM
If Machida was a real man, he'd give that belt up cause Shogun just slayed The Dragon.
Posted By: WilliamMorgan (Registered) on October 25, 2009 at 01:02 AM
Definition of a gift decision for Machida.
Posted By: Jeffrey (Registered) on October 25, 2009 at 01:04 AM
That was the most horrible decision in any fighting sport ever. Even Vince McMahon is laughing at how fixed that fight is.
Posted By: MGX (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:04 AM
unanimous really??? were those judges watching the same fight as us?
Shogun should have won that fight no doubt....
Posted By: DUMB JUDGES (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:06 AM
Near Rutten vs. Randleman level of shitty judging. Actually worse. Good display of muay thai from Shogun only to get screwed
Posted By: WTF Judges? (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:07 AM
Okies. I like Lyoto but I admit the match result was messed up bad... Shogun did way better than him...
It seems the only way to be champion there is to either KO or put someone in submission... If not...
Posted By: Ahrun (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:08 AM
I thought Shogun had it easily... thought it was 4-1...
wtf fight were the judges watching?
Posted By: wow (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:08 AM
I love Machida but he lost that fight
Posted By: newbreedofmma (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:10 AM
Terrible decision, Shogun won that fight.
Posted By: Steve Perry (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:10 AM
terrible judges decision. Shogun won the fight. I'd hate to be Machida's ribs and legs right now.
Posted By: akak (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:13 AM
Wow. My roommate is pissed. Machida lost that shit. Shogun DOMINATED. Absolute bullshit.
Posted By: Weston Smith (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:17 AM
Eeeh, I don't see how anyone could've thought Machida won. Even the old 'don't let it go to the judges' doesn't work much here. Machida did not do more damage or land more shots.
Hard to justify that one, IMO.
Posted By: Guest#5675 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:18 AM
I dont like the Machida Rua descision at all. I'd give Machida one round out of the 5, round 3, only for the little flurry near the end of the round. But even then Rua landed a nice punch out of that. It was a close fight and that was reflected on the judges scorecards, but its a bit mystifying to me that not one of the judges scored it in favor of Rua.
Also the stoppage in the Velasquez Rothwell fight was pretty shitty, but lets face it, everyone has to admit Rothwell was getting his ass kicked bad and possibly should have had the fight stopped in the first round. Mazzagatti was generous to let it go past that.
Posted By: Guest#7381 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:18 AM
My scoring of the fight was similiar, though I had machida win it...i know that right now a lot of people are screaming about this decision...but it was extremely close and not the robbery that some think it was. Joe Rogan apparantly had a blind spot in concern to Machida's straight punches to rua's head. If you weren't really paying attention and just heard the commentary, you would think that machida got beat up...just not the case. Machida did damage to shogun's ribs and hit some great and clean strikes to the head
Posted By: romano (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:19 AM
Rua got ripped off! Uncrowned champ!
Posted By: Unholy Meatpuppet (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:19 AM
Shogun was robbed yo!
Posted By: Guest#8066 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:24 AM
Good main event. It was not that Machida was bad it was just how good Shogun was tonight. I hate that the L.A. crowd was booing. It was tactical by both men and they fought their hearts out.
Posted By: Frankie (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:25 AM
Such a bullshit decision victory for Machida. Rua won it i felt... machida got booed out the arena...lol
Posted By: Jorge (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:27 AM
bull fuckin shit. there's no way machida won that fight. i had him losing EVERY FUCKIN ROUND. where the hell do these judges get off ruining the sport and shitting on a fighter that should have won the fight in this manner. this judging outcome is worse than the last 8 oscar de la hoya decisions where he won because of his name and not because of his performance
Posted By: me (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:33 AM
Shogun won 4 rounds to 1. Machida stole the 3rd round towards the end. It wasn't even close.
Posted By: Marcus (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:38 AM
Shogun got screwed.
Posted By: Dean (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:00 AM
A-FUCKING-MEN to that!
Posted By: Guest#0089 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:41 AM
Glad im not the only one that thought Shogun won the fight. I already posted my thoughts, but right after the descision was announced I was pissed and had a nice expletive laden rant ready to click submit on. Luckily I waited a few to calm down a bit and put a few coherent sentences together. lol
Posted By: Guest#0219 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:42 AM
I got screwed
Posted By: Shogun (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:48 AM
I missed the first two rounds via girlfriend drama, but the three I did see I had Machida 29-28. If either round 1 or 2 when to Machida then he definitely won.
Oviously Rua trained extremely hard for this fight and his cardio was outstanding.
Posted By: King Durin (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:50 AM
How did u have Shogun not winning the 5th..Shogun got screwed!!!!
Posted By: Guest#5739 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:50 AM
Wow. I like both guys but I thought 4 sure Shogun won. It was close and everyone at the bar was shocked. It's funny though how 7% of voters picked decision. I told the ppl around me that I could see the fight go to decision, but all the drunk "experts" at the bar swore that Machida would knock him out in the first or second round. Shogun landed some NASTY leg kicks, and I know he must be majorly disappointed with the outcome. I think that in most cases, if the fight is too close, then the win should go to the champion. However, I think Rua did enough to get the win. I'd definitely be down to watch the rematch.
Posted By: amusing comments (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:52 AM
what the hell were those judges thinking. worst judging i've ever seen.
Posted By: f*$% judges (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:55 AM
Usually unless there's several guys I really want to see, I use sopcast.
Tonight, I figured I'd go ahead and pick up the PPV (the HD stream, no less, for $54.95).
I want my money back.
I was pulling for Machida, but Shogun was absolutely positively ROBBED.
In the future - I will watch every single PPV on sopcast; I will not be buying another UFC PPV until they figure out a better scoring system and quit letting the Athletic Commissions use Cecil Peoples.
Posted By: Nick (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:56 AM
BULL f*cking SH*T
Posted By: Greengo (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:56 AM
Worst robbery is the history of the UFC. Shogun dominated Machida and leg kicked him so effectively that Machida actually had to stand and fight for a while instead of run away (like he usually does). This BS decision sets up a nice rematch which is I'm sure exactly what Dana planned for. The CSAC is an embarrassment to sports.
Posted By: pattitude (Registered) on October 25, 2009 at 01:59 AM
I agree with those that thought Shogun won the fight ( I had it 48-47 Shogun ) but to all those people crying about fixed fights give it a rest already. This isnt the first bad decision and it wont be the last. With necessarily subjective scoring systems its gonna happen. How about directing some antipathy towards Anthony Johnson. He's the posterboy for internet mma marks and he couldnt even make weight. I mean wow he knocked out Yoshida when he was at least 20+ lbs heavier without being able to make weight in the first place. Besides do you really think that UFC sees Machida as more marketable than Shogun? Is everyones memory that short? Nearly every fight Machida had before he fought Rashad was set up for him to get KO'd out of the UFC other than the Ortiz fight. No reason at all to want to protect Machida. Hell if they wanted to do that they could be like Strikeforce and feed their champs cans when they have them defend their belts at all. It was a bad call that I cannot believe it was unanimous (at least a split decision was the consensus amongst the group I watched with) but the idea of paying off judges etc is laughable if it wasnt so ridiculous. Suck it up fanboys, Machida is human and so are the judges. This many people didnt bitch about the terrible point deducation and stand up in Lesnar Mir 1. Give us the rematch and move on. Learn from the "controversial" Rampage/Griffin decision and make the rematch (even though Rampage admitted he lost despite similar rants from many people following that fight).
Posted By: lowe (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:04 AM
Twas a good fight .. i thought shogan might of had lyoto ... but my bet still one so.. im happy bout that
Posted By: Baxter (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:08 AM
Shogun screwed Shogun.
Posted By: Doug (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:14 AM
No, he didn't. Did he knock out Machida? Did he physically dominate Machida during the whole fight? If there is a doubt that he could have one (not counting the haters or the hardcore Shogun supports), then he deserves to lose. It is the decisions of the judges. If you don't like it, tough. You should try to become UFC judge.
Posted By: David (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:17 AM
Bullcrap! Shogun clearly had that fight won and had Machida exposed. Very controversial decision. Someone was clearly pulling strings in that decision. This win was just as bad as the Bisping/Hamil match.
Now we're going to have to wait another four months for a match from a guy who thinks he's the Ryu Hoshi of MMA.
A rematch had damn better be first on the horizon.
Posted By: Klein (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:17 AM
This is how people started the resentment towards boxing.
YOU CANNOT USE BOXING JUDGES FOR MMA.
Thanks for screwing up an easy fight.
Posted By: TheR (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:21 AM
First off I would like to say that was a great technical fight, and I dig both fighters. With out being bias I do not see how Machida got that win.
round 1: Shogun
round 2: Shogun
round 3: Machida
round 4: Shogun
roun5 5: Shogun
Round 4 was pretty much the turning point of a tough fight with Shogun landing more punches and digging kicks into Machidas body(the same kicks he was landing in previos rounds to win those). Absolutely impossible to give round 5 to Machida. Shogun knew he had it in the bag and was confident, he was attacking, and he had Machida moving backwards and getting the best of the clinches. Total nonsense.
Posted By: Guest#1451 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:21 AM
WOW!!! where are the "Machida Is Going to Murder Shogun, Mark's"... so know we see, that... Machida isn't as invincible as the hype that surrounded him... Right Now, The Dragon is Champion By just a hair, Pure Luck of the Draw... Shogun, Got massively Screwed!... But a Win is a Win, so looking forward to seeing, Jon "Bones" Jones, take that belt off of Machida, BOOK IT!...
Posted By: Fear _Inc. (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:23 AM
Absolute worst decision ive seen in a long time I dont know how anyone can defend the dragons win...even Machida Thought he lost u could see it in his face.
Posted By: Hawk (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:28 AM
Some random facts:
- It’s Official Hardonk, is the official UFC Heavyweight Go to Guy… if you need a Dominating Win, after a Lost.
- Gormley, Nice Try… back to the Drawing Board.
- Good Showing by Lord Dark Bader.
- Winner of the “I Came to Fight 3, 5 minutes Rounds, the bell rand, and them everything went pitch black, What the hell Happened” Award, of the night… Yoshiyuki Yoshida.
- Spencer “You should Re-Nickname yourself” Fisher… Cause “King” is Far from it…
- Damm It! Know that Okami Lost… Know we are never, ever going to see him in the main card.
- “Tougher than his name” Award… Gleison Tibau, Good Job
- OH!!! By the by... this is why I think they should let some of the fighters, get murder in a match, so that later they don’t ramble on with the “I Was Ok, I was Going to make the biggest Comeback, in the history of MMA, but the Ref Stopped it too Soon, know you’ll never be able to see it”…
Ala Brian Bowles- Miguel Torres, no doubt on that one, that the Guy that Lost, was f’n out cold… (Yes, here looking at you Mr. Rothwell…)
Posted By: Fear_Inc. (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:51 AM
Impossible fight to score. I personally gave Shogun 2, 4 and 5 with Machida getting 1 and 3. But I had Shogun at +370 so my judment might have been clouded. If you judged the fight by the old Pride rules (just picking a winner on the overall body of work) then Shogun wins hands down as he obviously did the most damage.
Posted By: MJH (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:52 AM
how good did Dana's dick taste before that fight Machida?
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:56 AM
That was a joke. Dana White you have champion that is a bore and judges that are blind.
Posted By: Boxing Again (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:07 AM
This was the biggest bullshit I've ever seen. I'm a Machida fan, and even I'll admit, he got his ass handed to him tonight. Shogun is the uncrowned Light Heavyweight Champ. The fix was in. Fuck Dana White, and fuck the UFC. If I wanted to see shit like this, I'd still watch boxing.
Posted By: Rant Casey (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:13 AM
i don't say this often, but that's fucking robbery.
Posted By: dale (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:19 AM
I agree Dean , I was sad to be an MMA fan, Shogun got totally fucked, and once again Mazzagati should be killed, that is the 7th big fight hes fucked up in like the last 2 years. Rothwell was pissed, Cain was embarrassed , and the fans were livid. I was enjoying the show until the co-main events were ruined.
Posted By: Vampiro56 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:28 AM
Wow, call the cops. Shogun got robbed.
Posted By: UcantCLA (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:30 AM
i can definately see if u were just watching the fight and not listening to joe rogan praise machida's body kicks and leg kicks..
you have to realize everytime shogun went for a takedown, machida always caught him w/ a KNEE b4 they clinch and stuffed all the takedowns... that can be in the judges eyes as very favorable toward machida..
also there were alot of exchanges where shogun would have a nice kick on machida, but machida would counter w/ a straight Left.. very fast and hard to see but maybe the judges caught on to it better...
either way ALL three judges scored 3-2 rounds to machida so.. something definately happened that many people didnt see
Posted By: wylun (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:54 AM
And there goes MMA's mainstream popularity. Nobody is going to buy that bullshit decision, and everybody knows it was fixed.
Posted By: Guest#1811 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:59 AM
Shogun was clearly the aggressor the entire fight, and Machida was definitely the more damaged fighter. You'd have to be living in some sort of fantasy world to score this a victory for Machida. The three judges either had the same fantasy, or received some help in their decisions, with some greased palms.
Posted By: Guest#2953 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 05:04 AM
Hell Yea! Go Machida!
Shogun deserves a rematch right away but Machida came away with his fight because Machida is the champ and with such a close fight, the belt should not change hands. I want to see a rematch and hopefully Machida will finish Shogun next time around.
Big time props for Shogun though!
Posted By: Greatest Man That Ever Lived (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 05:17 AM
boo-urns
Posted By: Guest#1697 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 05:18 AM
he got screwed big time.
Posted By: matk (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 05:21 AM
Damned fine event. Stevenson, Cain & Johnson all came out looking a million bucks.
It's almost like the judges scored it with the wrestling idea of 'championship advantage' in their minds. It was a close match, but Shogun probably edged it. It seems that in order to get the decision win, Shogun would need to have totally dominated the match, rather than just be the slightly better man, which is an understandable viewpoint, but not strictly within the rules and ethos of the UFC or MMA.
Rematches for both Machida-Shogun and Velasquez-Rothwell please. I expect the same result in both, but probably more decisively.
Rematches would also gove time for new #1 contenders to develop as surely Nog gets the next shot at Lesnar/Carwin, and you can't expect Cain to wait six/eight months without a fight.
Similarly there is no clear #1 contender at LHW, so why not let Shogun have another shot, and once the dust has settled there, we should be able to see who from Rashad/Thiago/Vera/Couture/Cane/Nog is the worthiest/most marketable challenger.
Posted By: chris.crowing (Registered) on October 25, 2009 at 05:23 AM
sounds like a good main event that could have gone either way, if there's a rematch sometime people can't complain.
The judges could have gone either way, thats what makes them such a wild card
Posted By: Guest#6182 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 05:33 AM
i gave shogun 4 rounds,1 thing that was destroyed tonight was the myth of machida tho,he got countered so often,rua used his own game against him,awesome kicks from rua,it a shame because the better man lost
Posted By: ukboy (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 05:56 AM
Shogun won that fight for sure, so there is definitely something going on with the judges!! Politics...
Posted By: Frenchy (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 05:59 AM
Watch the fight again without the horrible commentary, "Shogun this, Shogun that, omg shogun with a kick, omg shogun is winning, omg shogun is so amazing!!!!"
Posted By: ReallWatch (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 06:24 AM
what a joke, Shogun just got screwed.
Posted By: J (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 06:53 AM
"Shogun got screwed.
Posted By: Dean (Guest)"
Stop being an idiot. Champion has the advantage in close decisions. Thats how it is. No one got screwed. If Shogun knocked Machida out and they still gave Machida the fight THEN you could argue that Shogun got screwed. Grow up and stop being stupid already.
Posted By: Champ (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 07:12 AM
Shogun got screwed.
Posted By: Dean (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:00 AM
If you want to win the title, you have to beat the champion, and you should do it conclusively. KO, yes. Submission, yes. Decision...well, you have to put on a dominant performance. I completely agree with the tradition of giving the advantage to the champ in close rounds because if you're the challenger, I think you should win it decisively.
Posted By: ausjimmy (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 07:15 AM
I had it Shogun 4 rounds to 1, but really only the 2nd and 4th rounds were easy rounds to score to Shogun. You could of made a case for Lyoto taking the other three and the champion always gets the edge in close rounds.
A bad decision, but not as big as some of the screw-jobs the UFC has thrown up in past PPVs.
Loved Rothwell's complaints. He lets Cain punch in the head for six straight minutes and can't understand why the fight was stopped.
Posted By: Splatt (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 07:36 AM
Shogun was robbed, I don´t know if this count but take it from a Machida fan...
Posted By: Guest#7636 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 07:40 AM
That might just be the biggest robbery in a top MMA promotion ever. I had Shogun winning every round except the 2nd, you could MAYBE make a case for Machida in the 4th but Rounds 1,3 & 5 were Shogun's without question.
Rua was more agressive, landed more strikes and landed harder the for 80% of the fight, jakked up Lyoto's leg, busted up his body, split his lip and generally did more damage overall.
WAR SHOGUN, DRAGON SLAYER AND TRUE LHW CHAMP!!
Posted By: Guest#5607 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 08:13 AM
Big fan of Machida but there's no way he won that fight, just about give him one round. Judges clearly have a different fight on their monitors.
Posted By: Guest#8927 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 08:33 AM
i agree in any other fight shogun would have won but you cant win the title in such a shitty way. you have to actually beat the champ to be the champ and all he did was throw leg kicks
Posted By: 411 manias enemy (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 08:53 AM
Really poor decision in the main event, the commentators said it best when they mentioned how often they were saying Shogun's name in terms of offence. The only round Machida may have taken was the 3rd, and that was close too.
Shogun was more aggressive, was accurate with strikes and controlled the Octagon with ease...the judges were idiots.
Posted By: dennett316 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 09:30 AM
how was this a close fight? Machida was dominated all five rounds, he never won one, I am so mad, Boxing now this in MMA, i am going to start watching Golf now there is nothing controversial if someone wins in Golf.
Posted By: ChrisVazquez (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 10:00 AM
it just shows the importance of finishing a fight
Posted By: marmaduke (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 10:25 AM
I'm a total Machida nuthugger, but even I think he didn't deserve to with that decision. That was akin to the Hamill vs. Bisping decision a while back. Shogun got screwed.
Posted By: I Heart Japan (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Interesting. I thought 4 and 5 were Shogun's best rounds, as Machida looked tired and Shogun was hitting more often and harder. It's an odd fight in that the people I was with all felt that all five rounds were close, but also all felt Shogun won. Hopefully they'll do a rematch, because it really was a good fight. Both guys beat the hell out of each other.
Posted By: Guest#3718 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM
watched the show and he def got robbed, unanamous?! this really outshines the controversal rothwell stopage (which outcome was the inevitable anyway but still).
Did Don King enter the MMA?
This is sad cause ufc 104 could mark the end of credablity for UFC...
the only way the company could redeem this is if they had an IMMEDIANT fair rematch...and now we wait
Posted By: mysterioshow (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Every fighter has a bad day. Anderson Silva's lost a few, and has looked bad a couple times. I think Machida didn't take Rua seriously, and almost paid for it. Probably should have, to be honest. And I'm a huge Machida fan. Maybe on the rematch, the REAL Machida will show up, because I think we've seen the best of Rua, and Machida still hung in.
Posted By: Guest#9966 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM
The only thing Rua really hit Machida with BESIDES all the leg (and one body) kick was one punch to the head. People need to realize that the bout was judged professionally and that Machida is champ – therefore he is going to get the go ahead in a match too close to judge.
Posted By: Gustavo Chang (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Well its not fair but neither is life and sometimes it goes well in the hands of the judges sometimes not. Here however is the good part this was a great fight and Dana has said there will be an immeadate Rematch!! Lets see it again!
Posted By: Paul (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM
That fight was alot closer than Joe Rogan was making it sound. He was screaming about every kick Shogun landed but saying very little about the straight punches Machida was landing on Shogun when he was firing those kicks off.
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 12:15 PM
It is funny... apparently Joe Rogan had it for Rua, and I think that swayed some peoples thinking a lot. Rua did more damage in that fight as was evident at the end. However, from a points perspective I had Rua for round 1,5 and Machida for 2-4. It isn't as big of a controversy as everyone thinks it is. In a lot of the rounds when Rua hit Machida with a kick, Machida would counter right in the face.
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 12:16 PM
to every one who says shogun got screwed, youre wrong. in championship bouts, in order to become champion you have to DEFINITIVELY beat the champion. honestly, if this were a regular 3 rounder, it would have been called a draw. so even if shogun did get the belt, it would still be sketchy because it was not a definitive win and there would be an immediate rematch either way.
Posted By: Guest#1176 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Extremely close fight, a difficult one to score no doubt. If you give higher scores for Kicks then Shogun, if you scored higher for punches mixed with a few kicks then Machida. I say REMATCH!!!!!!!!
Posted By: wolf137 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM
I love how before the fight everyone was on Machida's nuts like a pubic hair but as soon as he goes up against a fighter with a good game plan everyone is singing a different tune. I think this definitely means Shogun is back as an elite light heavyweight
Posted By: Flying Dutchman (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Rint to Rua...if you don't want to leave it in the subjective hands of judges, knock him out or submit him. He forced you to fight his fight because he knew if you stood back and was patient, he would out-point you, and if you charged in, he'd knock you out. Next time, knock him out or submit him, and this won't be an issue.
Posted By: Ro Bag (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 12:38 PM
To be the champ, you have to beat the champ.
Shogun didn't do that.
Posted By: Guest#6400 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:16 PM
This was probably one of the easier matches to score since there were 0 takedowns. Shogun definitely did more damage than Machida, but there aren't life bars over their heads so the judges can't decide the winner that way. The score was blow for blow, and all judges had Machida landing more blows.
The only bad call was Shogun letting the fight go to the judges.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:18 PM
the way i see it, judges score head punches higher than body/leg shots.
keeping that in mind, i get why machida won i suppose
Posted By: Guest#3633 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:26 PM
This is why they need to stop using boxing judges.
total BS. Find some real judges!!!
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:37 PM
BOTTOM LINE: Lyoto won the fight 48-47 across... all of your whining about it isn't going to change anything.
Posted By: Guest#3701 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:42 PM
It was not that big of a screw job. I thought rounds one and two were dang close. I thought Machida took 3. According to comments someone thinks Machida took round 2, and according to the report Machida could of took round 5. Perception is a funny thing. Watch it with the volume off. I know Rogan kept yelling about Shoguns leg kicks. And they were effective... but from my view with every leg kick landed Machida landed a left/right combo with his fists. They need to dump these announcers, they try to judge the contest and often make childish comments.
Posted By: hmm (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 01:53 PM
Rua's corner gave terrible advice. I don't care if you DO think you're winning rounds, if you leave a fight in the judges hands or you let your corner convince you that you're winning so you don't FINISH the FIGHT, you deserve what you get.
Machida still landed a higher percentage of his strikes and landed more of them. Rua's did more damage and sounded nice.
Sounds like most of you would rather have "Pride" style scoring, and though I scored it 3 rounds to 2 in favor of Rua, I can completely understand why and how Machida won.
Blame Shogun's corner for bitching him into a false sense of security. Until the fight's over, you haven't won a damn thing.
Posted By: Guest#6824 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:44 PM
Robbed.
Posted By: rich0 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 02:56 PM
Okay, I see how this goes....When the rematch comes (Shogun really deserves it) when Machida finishes Shogun (and he will) everyone will jump back on Machida's bandwagon and say how they knew all along and the outside chance that Shogun beats Machida, everyone will once again call Machida a bore and say his karate is a joke.... Pick a fighter and support him.
Oh and for those of you who think Jon "Bones" Jones beats Machida, you are dreaming. However in any fight that doesn't involve Machida, I'll root for "Bones" all the way!
Posted By: Greatest Man That Ever Lived (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:05 PM
Rematch! Rematch! Rematch!
Posted By: Yoda (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:09 PM
yall need to shut the fuck up
bitchasses
Posted By: Lyoto (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:12 PM
They took Rua's JOB!!!
Sorry had to throw in the South Park reference.
Screw who got screwed.
I WANT A REMATCH OF TAKAYAMA VERSE FRYE!!!
Posted By: Joquando (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:15 PM
The whole world thinks Shogun won.
The three TRAINED, PAID, PROFESSIONAL, judges tasked with scoring the fight gave it to the Dragon via unanimous decision.
I really can't stand sports fans who have no background in judging bitching about decisions that are apparently so difficult to make that they have to PAY people to do it. Seriously, think about it for a second and consider that you MAY be missing something with your untrained eyes.
Posted By: ShadowHendrix (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:42 PM
I love all the professional judges posting to the comments about how they scored the fight. Who gives a rip how you scored the fight? Shogun had a tremendous strategy for success, and he hurt Machida, but Machida was active in the fight as well. The problem with scoring the fight is that Machida's game is so much counter-striking it is perceived as a lack of aggressiveness.
Rogan's commentary made it seem like Shogun dominated Machida like GSP beat BJ Penn, but it wasn't nearly that one-sided. Obviously it could have gone either way and wouldn't have been upset if Shogun took the title; but it was close enough that to say Shogun didn't overwhelm Machida enough to take the title on a decision.
Besides, a controversial decision sets the rematch up very nicely.
Posted By: BDC (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 04:06 PM
Atleast we all know that wrestling is pre determined and the results don't matter.
The only thing both main events were missing was a run in or ref knock down.
Posted By: smark (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 04:33 PM
try watching it WITHOUT the cheerleading of the assclown joe rogan.
Posted By: someguy (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 05:46 PM
let me add something - shogun won the 5th round for sure. but for the rest of it, no f'n way. you have to go back and watch it without the commentary. those two idiots had their mouths around shogun's dick the entire night, including that obnoxious post-fight "interview". that was absolutely shameful and i'd like to see machida kick rogan's head in. shogun looked amazing, there's no doubt. but that doesn't mean he won the fight. i think it was 3-2 machida when i just watch the action. but i think it was 5-0 shogun if i listen to the idiot commentary.
Posted By: someguy (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 06:06 PM
where in the rules does it say a close round is given to the champion? seems an idiotic idea. i am pretty sure when the 2 fighters enter the octagon they are to be treated equally.
fights are to be judged on striking, grappling, octagon control and aggression. shogun controlled the pace of the fight and showed a lot more aggression, was slightly more effective in the clinch and landed the stronger, cleaner shots.
machida threw more punches but very few landed cleanly as shogun covered up. whereas the damage by shoguns leg/body kicks cannot be denied. shogun should be LHW champ and it is very hard to dispute that
Posted By: beef (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 07:24 PM
dana white should shut his fuckin mouth. always got something to say. so everyones in agreement. shogun got screwed. so white yaps off, now both guys get a tune up fight and then insta rematch. who does that benefit? that bald vinnie mac wannabe. get in the ring white and fight someone so youll get it out of your system. at least teh wwe admits its staged
Posted By: pjl (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 07:34 PM
And there goes MMA's mainstream popularity. Nobody is going to buy that bullshit decision, and everybody knows it was fixed.
Posted By: Guest#1811 (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 03:59 AM
I disagree. If anything this might help UFC's popularity because if I can quote Eric Bishcoff " Controversey creates Cash" and also it beautifully sets up the big money rematch where the story is already told. UFC can play it up as a controversial decision, shogun can claim to be the uncrowned champ and BOOM, big money.
Posted By: MattRKO (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 07:58 PM
by the way, how can anyone dispute the tko call in rothwell-velasquez? holy hell, velasquez OWNED him, took him down at will, beat on him at will with clean, undefended shots, and the fight was mercifully called after 5 (6?) shots straight to the face. the fact that rothwell is tougher than a brick doesn't change the fact that he was not defending himself. mazzagatti has made some very bad calls lately but this wasn't one of them.
Posted By: someguy (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 09:52 PM
Watching the fight a second time, with the sound off, its much easier to see why the judges gave the fight to Machida. I thought round one was close, but that Machida took it. Yes, Shogun did more damage to Machida in that round than anyone else ever has, but Machida was still landing well and landing slightly more, still could have gone either way. I saw Machida winning rounds two and three as well, but not be much. Shogun definitely took round four, and five was close, but i gave it to Shogun. With two rounds apiece, and one round that could have gone either way, its not hard to see this as going to Machida. I think it should have been a split decision instead of unanimous, and I'm glad an immediate rematch has been called. In some ways, this immediate rematch is the best thing that could have happened to the Lightheavyweight division, because if either man won decisively, then who is the next contender? We not have a guaranteed title fight that people will want to see due to how close this one was, and it will give the UFC time to build up future contenders.
Posted By: Duncan (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Shogun wins 4 of 5 rounds, and the judges give it to Machida?? Unbelievable.
That's why Dana says not to leave the fight to the judges.
They suck!!
Glad the crowed booed. That was robbery.
Posted By: Randy M. (Guest) on October 25, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Rua didn't beat the champ. He hurt him and gave him a better fight by far than any of his other opponents but as it stands, he couldn't finish Machida or beat him. An immediate rematch is going to benefit Machida as he knows what he has to adjust and change whereas Rua will be coming in the same way.
Machida Karate prevails.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on October 26, 2009 at 02:43 PM
i actually gave all 5 rounds to shogun. Machida was a punch bag commentary or not. you only have to look at them when they're presenting the results. Machida has three bleeding cuts on his face, his left side ribs are far redder then shogons. and those leg kicks obvious did the job cause karate man was slow and wasnt lifting his legs for kicks much was he. That be said. dont let it go to the judges and Shogun should of stopped playing it safe come round 4 or 5 and just blitzed, pounded and punished the karate wimp. i cant see how the rothwell stoppage was controversial though. he was having his ass handed to him on a platter with french fried potatoes from the first few seconds and thought it generous he made it to round two without being stopped, he definately wasnt defending himself intelligently or otherwise. so good call by ref. Looking forward to dan hardy fight in ufc 105. i also reckon they should respect GSP skills and give him a access all weight class pass where he can fight anyone. watch him take out lesnar with a flying snipe kick to the temple while face slapping him with the wu-tang stick of justice on the way down (if you know what that is). whoop whoop. Respect to Shogon the uncrowned light heavyweight of the world.
Posted By: Guest#9936 (Guest) on November 04, 2009 at 10:03 PM
