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The Showdown 12.07.09: The Impact of Mayweather/Pacquiao
Posted by Patrick Cassidy on 12.07.2009






Ladies and Gentleman, we're back with the latest edition of "The Showdown". The column has been away for the past few weeks as I've been recapping some classic bouts for our "From the Vault" column but I'm back this week discussing the possible Mayweather/Pacquiao fight. As many of you are aware by now, the fight is inching closer and closer towards reality as Floyd Mayweather has reportedly agreed to terms and conditions to make this fight happen. Now I won't be going into who think will win the fight as readers to this column are aware that I have previously discussed my opinion of such a fight and who I felt would win (Mayweather, although that opinion has grown shaky since Pacquiao/Cotto). Instead, I'll be discussing a few aspects of the potential fight which has been discussed in the past several weeks, most notably the possibly venue of such a fight and the impact such a fight would have on the sport and society.



First off, the venue of the bout has been one that's hotly contested. They're several parties which want the fight and are willing to spend big to get the bout. Some of the venues discussed are several of the Vegas casinos(The MGM being the most viable), the Superdome in New Orleans, and Cowboy Stadium in Dallas.
This is a tricky question because ultimately Las Vegas carries the stronger hand in such discussions. The possible venues in Las Vegas could only sell about 20,000 tickets and many of those tickets will be awarded to loyal Vegas customers, which would drag the possible gate down. However, the amount of money the MGM would be willing to shell out for the bout would be astronomical. They know the amount of money that Vegas stands to lose if this fight takes place outside it's confines. Fight weekends in Vegas ensure tons of revenue for the city and more importantly the hosting casino. Gambling revenues would be at record levels for this fight as it's safe to say just about every high roller will be in town and willing to shell out absurd figures within the casino. Don't get me wrong, a great Vegas fight is something special but 20,000 just doesn't have the same oomph as say 60,000 or more packed into Cowboy Stadium.



What better way to reassert the sports dominance within mainstream sports, than holding such a mega fight in front such a massive crowd? It would certainly shut those up that have been trying to hail the sport's demise for the past 10 years. It's also hard to imagine Dana White could ever run his mouth again about his sport's superiority over Boxing when you know the UFC could not come close to staging such a spectacle. Maybe, I'm just sentimental to the golden years of Boxing when major card were regularly held at baseball stadiums but the sport needs this type of event to push it back into the forefront of sports. I hope the fight happens in Cowboy Stadium and I think it would be huge for the sport but alas, I'm not getting my hopes up. The promotional companies, behind the possible fight have close ties to Las Vegas and are unlikely to jeopardize that relationship any time soon by spurning the city for such an important fight, expect the fight to happen at the MGM.

With that topic out of the way, the next topic that needs to be discussed is the actual impact of such a fight. I'm not talking about the impact within our sport, all boxing fans understand the importance of the fight but rather I'm talking about the impact the fight would have on society as a whole. There are certain sports events which are capable of transcending the sports world and becoming something legendary. I'm talking about such events as Michael Phelps winning eight gold medals, Ali/Frazier, the Super Bowl, and others. I don't know if this fight has such an impact but I think it certainly has the potential.



The bout features two fighters who are guaranteed to take their place in the company of legends when they retire but even more importantly for the media, (which will ultimately decide the impact such a fight has on society) it features two individuals who represent very different lifestyles. It's a great storyline that the media will surely eat up. In one corner, you have the cocky, brash, villain played by Floyd Mayweather who is opposed by the humble, Manny Pacquiao. It's the type of storyline that the media can run with, much like they did in the 70's with Ali and Frazier. You see for a sporting event to really transcend into a cultural event their needs to be a story to be told outside of the actual sport, something for the mainstream to connect to and I think this fight possesses such a story.

I can't totally say if this fight reaches the level of say Ali/Frazier or Louis/Schmelling but at the very least it will certainly be the most important boxing event of the past 25 years. However, as much as I wax poetic about the impact of such a fight, I know for a fact that we all simply want the fight to happen. It's a fight that the sport needs to complete it's recent revival. Boxing still has it's fair share of problems but there is an excitement about this sport that has not been evident for quite some time. Let's hope for the sake of the sport that egos can be put aside and we can all witness one more classic night of fights.


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Fedor vs Brock >>>>> Pacman/Mayweather

The money generated by an Emilianenko vs Lesnar all war out would be GIGANTIC and let's not talk about the fight itself.....

While boxing is seen an old lost form of art pretty stale and repetitive, MMA is the new king of fighters in town and putting the two biggest fighting freaks in the world against each other would totally surpass the boxing midgets you're talking about here (as talented as they are).

P.S : yes Fedor is in SF and Brock in the UFC but that was the answer to Dana White not being able to fit a stadium with a dream card HE WILL and if one fight will do it in one year time it's Lesnar vs Fedor.

Eat this Cassidy !


Posted By: MMA >>>>> Boxing (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 01:52 AM

 
 
The difference between Lesnar and Fedor, only one of those names is known by mainstream sports fans. Fedor's ratings on CBS tanked, it was even beaten by a rerun of Cops. Pacquiao and Mayweather have done 1 million buys multiple times including when their facing opponents that are hardly known outside of boxing circles(Cotto, Marquez)

Posted By: Patrick Cassidy (Registered)  on December 07, 2009 at 02:22 AM

 
 
To review back the medias output few years back until first half of this year,nothing even dared to reach this far in reviving the interest of the boxing fans and would be fans and the commom boxing people on their articles.Nobody, understandbly did move a cell brain in this direction.What does it brings now to the boxing sport?a natural or better still a "divine intervention" happened.
From the initial questionable pronouciation of Pacquiao (sounds like F...u )by the ring announcer into now like a new word added in dictionaries,
Boxing interest, didn't just grew but exploded like beautiful fireworks,like the 4th of July with spectacular grandeur.People inside different venues watching various great sports saw it in the sky and interest"en mass" achieved in no time.Like the sweet revenge of marching ants, left and follow the wondrous colorful lights.An imp turns into a thunderous sound amplifying still and no one wants to see and hear, but the sweet revenge of, the
sweet science.


Posted By: isidro (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 02:25 AM

 
 
UFC sucks..whenever I watch it, it bores me alot especially when I seee fighter who juse jiujitsu tactics.. why do you guys watch this, its Garbage. Boxing is still the best contact sport.. long live boxing!!

Posted By: the real boxing fan (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 02:44 AM

 
 
I love how MMA fans always come into boxing message board to declare how dead boxing is compared to MMA. If MMA is kicking boxing's ass, then there really isn't any need to be so stupid enough to waste bytes on a boxing message board.

Can you say INFERIORITY COMPLEX?


Posted By: Shove It (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 02:51 AM

 
 
"Fedor vs Brock >>>>> Pacman/Mayweather"???

Youve got to be kidding me...


Posted By: Boxing (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 03:59 AM

 
 
Just a comment to point out that MMA isn't the king of anything - let alone fighting. I'd much rather watch Pacquiao verses anybody - as opposed to whatever match MMA can put together.

Posted By: Steve (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 04:08 AM

 
 
isn't Lesnar too sick to fight and could end his career anytime soon??? i heard about Emilianenko but hasn't seen him fight and i guess a lot of people hasn't also. i don't think the international response for the Lesnar-Emilianenko fight will be close to that of the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight, 2 fighters known throughout the world.

Posted By: weaponjay (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 11:24 AM

 
 
Boxing wins.

Posted By: Guest#5708 (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 11:49 AM

 
 
Ignore the troll, this fight would be huge. On Thanksgiving my elderly godparents were talking about it and they don't give a shit about sports, Pacquiao is a major name now and Mayweather has been one for a while. Nobody knows who the fuck Fedor is.

I agree that Cowboys Stadium would be a great venue, they should really go all out with it, these big fights don't come along often.


Posted By: Foolio (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 12:23 PM

 
 
Mayweather-Pacquiao will be huge. I'm talking fill-a-stadium huge. If and when they finally fight, it has every chance of being up there with Rumble in the Jungle or any other legendary superfight from the history of boxing. Though we won't find out just how big it was until maybe five or ten years down the road - then we'll see just how much it is talked about then.

I'm a MMA fan, but even the mythical Lesnar vs Emelianenko won't be anywhere near as big as Floyd vs Manny. Truth be told, MMA is yet to have two fighters that are big enough for a fight _that_ big. MMA's PPV record is still held by UFC 100 which had two highly anticipated title fights and a Ultimate Fighter 'grudge match' - and it drew around 1,5 million.

Mayweather-Pacquiao should draw more than that. Much, much more than that. There's every reason to believe it will break Mayweather-De La Hoya's 2.15 mill.


Posted By: woody (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 12:42 PM

 
 
Fedor vs Brock can't even genarate 1 mill buys.... However Pacquiao and Mayweather did so. so screw MMA.

Posted By: MastaPlan (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 12:54 PM

 
 
ufc? hahha.. another stupid kid who thinks MMA is better than boxing. Lesnar, look at his record, he only has about 4 profesional MMA fights, Emilianenko has what? yes that is what I thought, media made Lesnar what he is today. Boxing is an art/sport. i dont see MMA in the olympics do you?

Posted By: ChrisVazquez (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 01:23 PM

 
 
here's hoping it happens, but also that it is a GOOD fight...unlike Mayweather/DeLaHoya

Posted By: hagler rules (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 01:24 PM

 
 
MMA is not better than boxing, especially when the lay n pray crap starts or when you have two "strikers" who couldn't throw a decent combination to save their lives. Let's not forget the 10 second KO's. Sure, MMA does have its all out wars, but they're few and far between. I'll also say that Dana White is a man anyone who watches combat sports should look up to. He doesn't take other promoters' shit, calls it like it is, and makes a fight happen if fans want to see it. Boxing needs someone like that, instead of guys ducking fighters like B-Hop or Shane Mosley, or pulling out of fights after tons of hype (Haye).

Posted By: Guest#9730 (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 01:27 PM

 
 
Fedor vs Brock >>>>> Pacman/Mayweather

Yeah because Fedor-Lesner is the fight every one is talking about. I see it brought up all the time on ESPN. WRONG! The Fedor-Brock situation reminds me of when Lewis was trying to fight Tyson and Lewis was contracted by HBO and Tyson was contracted by Showtime. The difference is that the networks came together for the good of boxing and the huge amount of money the fight generated. I don't think Strikeforce and UFC will put their ego's aside long enough to let Fedor-Lesnar happen. Why are MMA fans so worried about boxing any way? I like both sports but boxing is clearly still the #1 contact sport. Look at how the Maywaether-Marquez PPV kicked the crap out of a UFC PPV. You had a UFC PPV with a pretty decent card get destroyed by a boxing PPV with one good fight. Mayweather-Pacquiao will do numbers that MMA can only dream about. MMA on CBS (For free) can't do the numbers that Mayweather-Pac will do when people are paying $55 plus for the later. And what up and comers does MMA have. I feel the UFC has blown their load on all their big fights. A guy gets one big win and they throw him into a title fight instead of letting him develop and become a better fighter. Chuck vs. Tito III, really? Does any one really want to see that? I guess Tito may be a little less washed up than Chuck so he might win now. The only super fights I can think of in MMA is Fedor-Lesnar, GSP-Silva, and a Machita-Shogon rematch. Only Fedor-Lesnar comes close to a May-Pac. Nice try MMA fan.


Posted By: dean1983 (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 01:37 PM

 
 
"To review back the medias output few years back until first half of this year,nothing even dared to reach this far in reviving the interest of the boxing fans and would be fans and the commom boxing people on their articles.Nobody, understandbly did move a cell brain in this direction.What does it brings now to the boxing sport?a natural or better still a "divine intervention" happened.
From the initial questionable pronouciation of Pacquiao (sounds like F...u )by the ring announcer into now like a new word added in dictionaries,
Boxing interest, didn't just grew but exploded like beautiful fireworks,like the 4th of July with spectacular grandeur.People inside different venues watching various great sports saw it in the sky and interest"en mass" achieved in no time.Like the sweet revenge of marching ants, left and follow the wondrous colorful lights.An imp turns into a thunderous sound amplifying still and no one wants to see and hear, but the sweet revenge of, the
sweet science.

Posted By: isidro (Guest) on December 07, 2009 at 02:25 AM"


Can I buy some pot from you?


Posted By: Brian Griffin (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 02:19 PM

 
 
you clearly dont know toronto that well then. if mma were to be legalized in ontario, toronto will get 75000 to watch ufc, not some boxers jab and run.

Posted By: Guest#6566 (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 05:32 PM

 
 
This will be the last boxing megafight.

Make it a good one eh?


Posted By: Luke S (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 06:12 PM

 
 
Another nice attempt at an arguement, but you clearly don't know that boxing sells out 60,000 plus seat soccer areans over in Europe.

Posted By: dean1983 (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 07:33 PM

 
 
OK first off boxing is still bigger than MMA. I won't say either is better becuase I honestly think mma fighter can beat a boxer of the same caliber cause the kicking and the ground and pound. Say what you want but most real fights go to the ground. Boxing is checkers. You know they are gonna try to jump you you just have to watch out for the jump. MMA is chess. You have to watch out for multiple things and angles. Ufc did 1.5 million buys. If you don't think Fedor vs Lesnar would destroy that then you are sadly mistaken but yes Pacman/Mayweather will outsell it. If I had to choose between the two I would watch the boxing match. Shit part is that I can see pacman/mayweather. I doubt greatly that I'll ever get to see lesnar Fedor. You don't see mma in the olympics is the stupidest arguement I have heard along side mastaplans statement that lesnar fedor can't generate a million buys. Masta they haven't fought yet stupid. MMA isn't in the olympics becuase its been around for all of what 16 yrs. Time is needed. Free running isn't in the olympics either but I bet the guys who do that shit are just as good as the track stars.

Posted By: X-0816 (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 08:04 PM

 
 
Fedor vs Brock >>>>> Pacman/Mayweather

The money generated by an Emilianenko vs Lesnar all war out would be GIGANTIC and let's not talk about the fight itself.....

While boxing is seen an old lost form of art pretty stale and repetitive, MMA is the new king of fighters in town and putting the two biggest fighting freaks in the world against each other would totally surpass the boxing midgets you're talking about here (as talented as they are).

P.S : yes Fedor is in SF and Brock in the UFC but that was the answer to Dana White not being able to fit a stadium with a dream card HE WILL and if one fight will do it in one year time it's Lesnar vs Fedor.

Eat this Cassidy !

Posted By: MMA >>>>> Boxing (Guest) on December 07, 2009 at 01:52 AM




you have to be a true idiot sir, you should stop speaking because it is in fact making you look stupid
Now I am a fan of both
Lesnar vs Fedor would be a big fight true


Heres the thing
Boxing will never die, Ufc (MMA) will never become bigger, Its hilarious when people say that it is, have you ever looked at the numbers some of boxings lamest fighters are beating ufc biggest shows, Now look at the some of the top Floyd beating a guy nobody wanted to see him fight did better than any ufc event


Ufc will Never Beat boxing

Before you speak on this again LOOK IT UP brock lesnar will never come close to making Floyd Mother Fucking Mayweather Money PERIOD


Posted By: Guest#2282 (Guest)  on December 07, 2009 at 08:08 PM

 
 
Mayweather/Pacquiao would outdraw Fedor/Lesnar by far. It wouldn't even be relatively close. That's saying something to because Fedor/Lesnar is the biggest fight MMA could do right now.



Fedor vs Brock can't even genarate 1 mill buys.... However Pacquiao and Mayweather did so. so screw MMA.

Posted By: MastaPlan (Guest) on December 07, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Fedor vs. Brock would generate upwards of 1.5 million buys. Most agree it would be the biggest MMA PPV of all time.


Posted By: Plunkett (Registered)  on December 07, 2009 at 08:30 PM

 
 
You're right I didn't know that, it's not like I watched Hatton/Lazcano or Kessler/Calzaghe. Oh wait I did... thanks for the attempted enlightenment though

Posted By: Patrick Cassidy (Registered)  on December 07, 2009 at 08:30 PM

 
 
I thought after De La Hoya, there was no one and boxing was dead. Well, maybe it was after Hatton. It was not Floyd,according to Dana White he can't only sell out 14 tickets without De La Hoya (well, except that thrashing UFC got, oops). More and more these MMA guys have to keep digging and more and more they are starting to come to terms that they have been "bamboozled" into thinking they have the fastest growing sport, bla, bla, bla. Why did Fedor vs. Brock not take place already? Everybody fights everybody in MMA and there are no politics/business interests involved.

Posted By: al (Guest)  on December 08, 2009 at 11:04 AM

 


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