411 Games Fact or Fiction 10.09.12: NBA Live 13, WWE 13, Assassin's Creed 3, and More
Posted by Daniel Anderson on 10.09.2012
Will the arena build feature be a bigger attraction than the Attitude era roster in WWE 13? Will you get an Assassin's Creed 3 Season Pass? Are you suprised NBA Live 13 was canceled? 411's Sean Garmer and Gavin Napier debate these questions and more!
Hello everyone and welcome to this week's edition of Fact or Fiction. As always, I am Daniel Anderson and I hope everyone has had a good week. I will be taking a short break the next two weeks as I move for my new job. On a side note, packing really sucks. Anyway, this week we have 411's Sean Garmer going up against Gavin Napier. Let's see what they have to say shall we?
1.) You agree with Blizzard's Pardo when he says single player games are an endangered species.
Gavin Napier - Fiction: I actually laughed at this statement. Single player games will never be an endangered species. Why? Because there's always going to be a group of gamers that wants to pay for a game one time then play it as much as they want without a monthly subscription. There's also going to be a group of gamers that doesn't want to deal with spamming, cheating, grinding, or the annoyance of being yelled at by pre-pubescent kids. MMO's aren't a novelty or anything; they certainly have their place. The idea that single player games are endangered, when they can still offer experiences such as Red Dead Redemption, Uncharted, Silent Hill, God of War, and more, is completely absurd.
Sean Garmer - Fact: Yes, there are plenty of single-player games out there, but the majority of games have some sort of multiplayer now because for some reason some gamers feel there is no replay value in a game that just has single player. I mean how many game companies have we heard of down the years say "you have to add a multiplayer component to every game we as a developer or publisher release." I don't think this statement says "definitively single player is dead" The blizzard rep is merely saying "multiplayer is pretty much what sells right now.".
Score: 0 for 1 - I don't think single player games are dead. If they were you would not have games like Skyrim and DragonAge. Just because they are not dead does not mean they are as popular as they once were though.
2.) You were surprised EA canceled NBA Live 13.
Gavin Napier - Fiction: I would have been surprised if the game had released. EA Sports doesn't deal well with competition. Back when 2K sports was allowed to make NFL games, they blew Madden out of the water in terms of quality. They lacked brand recognition, but through constant improvements and aggressive pricing, they were changing that. There is no exclusive licensing with the NBA brand, and 2K Sports have absolutely crushed EA. After multiple years of cancelling the game at the last minute and being plagued with numerous issues, EA's going to have a long way to go to catch up, if they ever do. No wonder they wanted to freeze 2K out of NFL games.
Sean Garmer - Fiction: It does not surprise me really because EA does not want to be in competition, they are either the best in that particular field, in this case NBA basketball, or they are not gonna do it. Why? Simply because they care about the money and if the game is not gonna sell for them we even try bringing it to market. Though, I did think going the digital download route was a better cost effective measure, I feared it would get delayed again once we heard nothing about a month from release date. In the end, maybe its better if they just push all their efforts into making nba live 2014 the best thing out there and see what happens.
Score: 1 for 2 - I'm not surprised. We were not hearing much of anything about the game, and with an EA sports game that is not a good sign. EA does not like being in competition with anyone when it comes to sports. When EA was competing with 2K in football they bought the exclusive rights to the sport. With the NBA, they just cancel the titles and say they are focusing on next year.
3.) The problem with Day 1 Digital's version of Resident Evil 6 (game not loading with a patch) shows that a digital only console is still something that wouldn't work.
Gavin Napier - Fact: There are too many potential hiccups involved. I work in health care, and have for the last 15 years. For 15 years now, I've heard talk that "we'll be going to paperless documentation very soon." It didn't happen 15 years ago and it's not going to happen for a while. The same applies for games. Digital downloads are okay for some things, and it's okay for add ons. When it comes to the actual game, though, people are going to be more comfortable having a hard copy in hand. It's just how it is. Steam is a great example of this. Steam could probably be more convenient than a trip to GameStop, WalMart, BestBuy, or the local pawn shop. I find myself frustrated, though, when I have to delete and reinstall Steam games, or when download times lag, or dealing with the online experience as a whole. Maybe I'm just stuck in the past, but I don't see an all digital system being a reality for a while.
Sean Garmer - Fiction: No I think it just proves that even digital things can have problems. This wasn't world-wide for the most part it was limited to Europe. This is almost like when you happen to be the unlucky person that gets a defective game on release day. Harmonix just recently began a sale of over 1100 DLC songs for Rock Band 3 and it took Microsoft and Sony over a week to get all the prices correct in their systems. So digital doesn't always mean better, or faster, it's just convenient and costs the companies less.
Score: 1 for 3 - Any time there is a major issue like this it makes me think how much more common it would be if there were digital only systems. It would be great to only have to select what game I want from a menu and download it and start playing, but the technology isn't quite there yet. To be honest I doubt it ever will be as long as we have multiple platforms.
4.) You are interested in the Assassin's Creed 3 Season Pass.
Sean Garmer - Fiction: I've only played Assassin's Creed 1 and I want to play the series all the way through first. But I will say AC 3 having the naval battles and being about the American Revolution almost made me want to skip the story and just start from AC3. For now I have no interest in the season pass. Gavin Napier - Fiction: Assassin's Creed games are pretty, but I'm not a fan. They're just not my cup of tea. I'm not saying they're bad games. I'm not qualified to say that because I haven't played one for more than twenty minutes or so. If I've gone this long without purchasing one, though, it doesn't make a lot of sense to purchase the newest installment and then invest money in a season pass. I'll..um..pass.
Score: 2 for 4 - I am doubtful about an AC3 Season Pass. I enjoy the games, but once I finish I am generally done with the game. I don't know how the DLC will be, but if there is a good set of DLC then I will plan on picking up a season pass for next year's game.
5.) A PS3/Vita bundle would be a success.
Sean Garmer - Fiction: If the Vita is basically free with the PS3 maybe. But I just don't think it will do well. The people that wanted the Vita already have one, and the PS3 is at the end of its lifecycle. I don't think pairing the two together are gonna start some sales revolution.
Gavin Napier - Fact: People like to get deals. You know what people like more than getting deals? THINKING they're getting deals. Slap a base model PS3 and a Vita together, knock $100 off the total price, maybe throw in one game that's available for both platforms - MLB The Show? - and crank them out in time for Christmas. People that insist on spoiling their children will be absolutely elated to spend a few hundred dollars on the bundle.
Score: 2 for 5 - Depending on the discount I think this could do well. Anyone who has an older PS3 and is looking to upgrade to the new model would look at spending a little more money just to give a Vita a try.
6.) The arena build feature is a bigger attraction than the Attitude era roster in WWE 13.
Sean Garmer - Fiction: We already had the build an arena feature last year. Getting to play with all your old favorites from probably the greatest era in wrestling pretty much trumps anything they could include in a WWE game.
Gavin Napier - Fact: If you're a huge dork like me, then the appeal to a game like Fire Pro is the fact that you can customize everything. Literally everything. Hundreds of things. ALL THE THINGS. Well, the WWE series is catching on to this and allowing for more customization across the board. I could care less about getting three or four versions of Triple H, or recreating one of the most popular eras of wrestling that's barely watchable 15 years later. Letting me have the opportunity to create an authentic feeling Tokyo Dome, Georgia Dome, WCW Nitro set, or whatever else my mind can think of sounds much more fun to me.
Score: 2 for 6 - I think this is a huge upgrade over last year's build an arena feature. This year you have control over everything in the arena. My friends are already looking forward to building a bunch of smaller arena and make them look real (no indy fed ring with a huge Jumbotron in the background anymore). The Attitude Era is a nice attention grabber, but the more features to keep you interested the better.
Bonus Question: With the pending shut down of City of Heroes name a multiplayer game (MMO or not) that you have fond memories of playing.
Sean Garmer - I probably have the most memories with Rock Band 3, because a few friends and I would play whatever new songs I bought every week and we had fun times playing songs and just hanging out..
Gavin Napier - I'm still a fan of DC Universe Online. I sit down and play it from time to time, just to have the chance to fly around as a Green Lantern and punch things with an oversized boxing glove. The world is massive, and the characters are near and dear to my heart. They're also as close as I can get to new content for DC that doesn't involve Superman in hiking boots or pretending that the last 80 years never happened. Yeah, I'm a little bitter regarding the New 52. At any rate, I'll likely play this one until they shut it down, and it's the only MMO that's ever sucked me in, mainly due to the source material.
That wraps up this week's edition of Fact or Fiction. Sean and Gavin went 2 for 6 disagreeing more than agreeing. I hope to see everyone when I come back in a couple weeks, and until then, happy gaming.