411 Games Fact or Fiction 02.28.13: PS4 Edition
Posted by Daniel Anderson on 02.28.2013
Will Diablo 3 do better on the PS4 than on the PC? Are we happy that the PS4 will not be an "always online" console? Do we like the idea of Vita Remote Play? 411’s Todd Vote and Stephen Randle debate these topics and more in this week’s Fact or Fiction: Games!
Hello everyone and welcome to this week's edition of Fact or Fiction. As always, I am Daniel Anderson, and I hope everyone has had a good week. This past week saw Sony's PS4 press conference where they released a lot of information on their new console (but no official price point of a physical console), so this week's edition is going to be dedicated to the PS4 and some of the bigger pieces of news that came out of the press conference. Anyway, this week we have 411's Todd Vote going up against Stephen Randle. Let's see what they have to say, shall we?
1.) Diablo 3 will do better on the PS3 and PS4 than it did on the PC.
Todd Vote - Fiction: I'm basing my answer off of the fact that I have never really heard of a PC port being better on the consoles. I can't find any information to back up my claims, but for some reason I just don't think this is going to be the one game that gets people wanting to drop their money on a PS4. If I am underestimating the fan base of the Diablo franchise, then I will humbly eat my hat.
Stephen Randle - Fiction: I can't imagine that a port of a game, even a Blizzard game, that will have already been out for over a year on the PC when it hits the PS3/4, will somehow sell better than the original. I know this is just Blizzard getting its foot back in the door, but I think they would have really benefited from introducing a new IP or new game from one of their franchises instead of just putting out a port. Also, Rock and Roll Racing 2, get on it, Blizzard!.
Score: 1 for 1 - I think most people have soured on Diablo 3 by now. Anyone that was going to try it out has and it will take a lot more than a Playstation port to bring back people that already gave up on it. There were serious problems with Diablo 3's endgame, and so far, I haven't heard anything that will make it more fun to go back to playing the game.
2.) You were happy to hear SCEA CEO Jack Tretton say that PS4 games would range in price between $.99 and $60.
Todd Vote - Fiction: I am just not entirely sold on the pay to play thing. I'm sure I will come around to it after dropping $60 on a couple of shit games like I do every generation, but there is just something about the idea of sitting there to play a game, and what happens? you hit a wall? A window pops up informing you that you cannot go any further unless you drop another $10 on the game... I can see myself getting pretty frustrated with that. Especially if it happened at a time I was short on cash... I am glad the cap appears to be right in line with this generations games though, that is pleasing.
Stephen Randle - Fact: Although I wasn't surprised, as this is pretty much already the case if you go check out the PSN. What I liked about this statement is that it is one of many that they made where they showed that they are committed to the idea of encouraging independent developers to create games for the system, something that has become more important over the current console generation. Just look at a lot of top ten lists from 2012 and count the number of sub-twenty dollar indy releases that were on it. Hell, the PS3's best exclusive title last year was Journey. Obviously, most PS4 games will still be of the $60 range, but simply the fact that Sony is courting indy developers to develop for them is a huge move.
Score: 1 for 2 - I was happy to hear that we were not getting a price increase in games this generation. I will admit to being worried that games were going to hit the $70 range for AAA titles. I can do without free to play or pay to advance games, but until they start losing massive amounts of money, they are here to stay.
3.) You were surprised that used games will be allowed on the PS4.
Todd Vote - Fact: I truly feared that this was the way things were heading, and I couldn't have been more vocal on this site about how bad of an idea I thought that was. The fact that Sony decided against not allowing used games was offered a giant sigh of relief from me.
Stephen Randle - Fiction: I'd quote myself but I'm too lazy to go find it. I believe I said something like "there is no goddamned way that Sony (or Microsoft) will prevent used games sales, because they're not idiots". Call it a paraphrase. The marketing advantage they would have handed to their competitors is gigantic, and they had to know that. In this console generation, where many people are predicting that market forces dictate one of the big makers will probably be squeezed out by the end, you can't give away that big of a PR hit in the name of screwing over GameStop. I know, that wasn't the whole reason for the rumoured tech, but it totally would be one of them.
Score: 1 for 3 - I thought that at this point both Sony and Microsoft were going to ban used games. I know it would give one competitor a massive advantage if one did it and the other didn't, but I figured there was an agreement (unofficially of course so as not to be illegal) that the current generation was the last to allow used games. I am glad to see that gamers were not screwed over on this issue this year.
It's the Vita I picked up on a whim because of Black Friday (and because of Persona 4 Golden). Aside from P4G being awesome and owning it apparently turning me into 411's Official Vita Game Reviewer, this news that I'll be able to use it to "second screen" PS4 games is huge. I can't tell you how many games I've stalled out on playing because I don't have regular access to the TV attached to the PS3. The whole idea is actually one of the big reasons I wanted to be into the Wii U, so if PS4 can duplicate it using tech I already own, well, that's a very good reason for me to pick one up.
Todd Vote - Fiction: It doesn't interest me, and it is not going to make me run out and purchase a Vita with my PS4, but it is a great incentive for those that already own the PS Vita.
Score: 1 for 4 - I think the remote play is an interesting idea, but I do wonder how well it would work. I can see the possibilities of remote play especially in a crowded household, but Sony doesn't have the best track record when it comes to trying to copy competitors so I will hold out judgment until I see it in action personally, and not just a demo at a press conference.
5.) You were happy hearing the PS4 is not an always online console.
Stephen Randle - Fact: It doesn't affect me a lot personally, because my Internet connection is banging (do kids still use that term to mean "really good"?) but I'm glad because it's another good piece of PR for the system, especially if Microsoft goes the other way. As I said, this generation looks to be cut-throat as hell, and any advantage Sony can get is going to be necessary. Being able to point and say, "hey, we decided not to include online requirements because we think it's an unnecessary form of DRM that punishes legitimate consumers" is exactly what Sony wants to be able to do, and I can't fault them for it.
Todd Vote - Fact: Internet in my house is spotty most times, so having to constantly be connected to the net was a big problem. Once again, I am pleasantly surprised that they didn't choose to implement this at this time.
Score: 2 for 5 - I am really happy to hear that this isn't an issue. I hate the thought of not being able to play a game because my internet connection is down.
6.) You like the initial launch slate of PS4 games.
Stephen Randle - Fact: Not everything revealed (notably Destiny) might be a launch title, but what I saw looked like a good mix of games. Personally I'm interested in Knack, The Witness, Watch_Dogs (duh), and whatever that Move-based art program Media Molecule was talking about develops into, because if it's as easy as they showed, that would be awesome. That said, if they really wanted to sell me the console on Day One, either Star Wars 1313 or possibly whatever Square Enix reveals at E3 being a launch game would go a long way towards that goal. Still, as someone who remembers when systems released with one or two games instead of a dozen or so, which had to last you for a few months until more games came out, Sony's PS4 lineup is pretty darned impressive on volume if nothing else..
Todd Vote - Fact: I like that they had so many titles readily available to announce. I like Watch Dogs. Could do without Final Fantasy announcements, and Diablo announcements, but only because they are not my cup of tea. Overall, I think Sony did an excellent job announcing the console and the many many features it will support. Now, just tell me I won't have to sell my first born child to get my hands on one.
Score: 3 for 6 - I was impressed with the launch slate simply because it seemed like there was an effort to get a good selection of titles out for the launch.
Bonus Question: What impressed you the most about the PS4 press conference?
Stephen Randle - Honestly, I was impressed simply by the sheer volume of information we got, given that nobody was really expecting much, especially in terms of actual game announcements. Instead, we got all the (very nice) hardware specs, the controller, a discussion of what the Gaikai tech means for the console, and a laundry list of games and developers talking about projects they have in development for the system. Also, we got the closest we'll ever get to an apology for Sony's arrogance towards gamers and developers over the PS3. Even if it's mostly PR, the admission that they screwed up by expecting everyone to follow them simply because they were Sony, and getting developers to help make the PS4 easier to for them develop on, will go a long way towards Sony regaining some of the momentum they had in previous generations.
Todd Vote - That they actually announced the PS4. I know it was all but a give in that they would, but I was of the mind that they were really going to sit back and let Microsoft make the first move again. But they didn't. Sony came out, hit a home run, and got a lot of people buzzing about the PS4. I don't think they could have asked for more.
That wraps up this week's edition of Fact or Fiction. Stephen and Todd went 3 for 6 agreeing as much as they disagreed. I hope everyone has a good week, and until then, happy gaming.