Achievement Unlocked 09.12.08: Great Expectations
Posted by Rod Oracheski on 09.12.2008
411mania's Rod Oracheski takes a look at a trio of gamer types, along with how many Achievements they should reasonably expect to get from the average game. Plus the PS3 gets two Trophy patches this week, and a quick look at TNA iMPACT, this week in Achievement Unlocked.
When you fire up a new game, the thought of Achievements might not enter your head. However, chances are pretty good that at some point during your time with the game, whether that's a week-long rental or weeks/months/years of owning it, you're going to check that list and see how many points you have - and how many you don't.
But how many Achievements should the average gamer expect from a title?
For starters, there's really no such thing as an 'average' gamer - at least in terms of picking out how many Achievements (and therefore Gamerscore) you should be picking up in the average game. It's impossible to say how many 'you' should expect, given the incredible variety of ways that people approach their games. To try and make it more applicable, I divided gamers into three basic categories - try to figure out where you fit.
The whole thing also sort of glosses over the way games vary in terms of handing out Achievements, with some that are incredibly generous with the Gamerscore while others dole them out at a punishingly slow rate. Just assume I'm referring to some sort of middle-of-the-road game that you're playing to completion. For sports titles, let's assume that's playing through a season. The point at which we're measuring their "total" for the game is a different number of hours played for each level, but it represents the point where the gamer is 'done' with the title.
Let's start with the low-end gamer - the Casual. Don't take offense at the 'low-end' moniker, by the way - you earned it. Casual gamers are those that don't play games all that much and didn't get into gaming until it became acceptably 'mainstream' enough.
You have the console, bought on a whim at some point after launch, and now buy a handful of 'regular' titles - football, baseball, a first-person-shooter or two, maybe a racing game when the mood strikes. You might get an action game or first-person shooter you've never heard of, but likely only if it has been highly advertised.
As the category that doesn't buy many games, people could be forgiven for thinking the casual gamer doesn't put many hours into a title - but that's perhaps a misconception. Casual gamers still put in hours of play, they're just spread out over a larger period. As they don't pick up every new game, they stick with their purchases longer. The Casual gamer is the least likely of the three types to finish a game, so my point total is an estimation of the point they move on to the next game or simply stop playing.
My guess is that the Casual gamer will 'finish' the average game with 400 Gamerscore. They'll receive the bulk of the 'Finish [x] level' Achievements, garnering 100-200 Gamerscore, along with a scattering of more random ones - killing a number of enemies or finding a number of collectibles. It's unlikely that a Casual gamer would scour the levels to find all the collectibles, however, so the top-end Achievement for that would remain locked.
If accurate, the 400 Gamerscore is the kind of thing that might get Casual gamers to go back to the game - providing they notice it. People, thanks to being indoctrinated by years of grading at school, want to be better than the 50% point. Maybe the Casual gamer, noticing that, takes a look at the Achievement list to see if anything looks easy - after all, they likely still have that game on their shelf...
While the Casual gamer can rifle through their collection, the next level up - titled simply Gamers - isn't as likely to be able to do that. Gamers, after all, buy - or at least rent - those hot new games when they come out and burn through them over the course of a week - maybe two. They play more hours per week than the Casual, but tend to split that time between multiple games.
The Gamer, who picked up the console at or shortly after launch, will also pick up their 'regular' slate of games, though their tastes are broader than that of the Casual. If it's a AAA game, unless it's in a genre they absolutely hate, the Gamer is going to try it out. A Gamer has been gaming for years, at some level.
Gamers will explore more of a game than a Casual, and are generally more driven to complete them. That's not to say that they will complete every game, however. Given the pace they buy them at, Gamers often find themselves falling behind the curve and contemplating a pile of games they meant to beat, but haven't found the time to yet. The summer drought is typically a good time for Gamers, who can tackle that pile while waiting for the winter's rush.
Though a Gamer has a clear list of favourite games and genres, they'll often buy games outside that comfort zone - especially niche titles that they've heard good word of mouth on. These titles are usually relegated to the bottom of the 'one day' stack after a play session or two over the course of a week.
I would guess the average Gamer could expect 700 Gamerscore out of a title. They'll likely finish the game and complete a great deal of the random Achievements - perhaps deliberately replaying the game with Achievements in mind.
A Gamer will alter the way they play in order to gain Achievements, using the Achievement list as a guide. A Gamer might consult Achievement guides on the 'Net, but not consistently and rarely before they give the game a fair shot on their own.
They avoid punishing grinds like collecting all of Assassin's Creed's flags, with those Achievements left locked when the game is due for retiring - whether that's trading it in, lending it out, or simply dumping it in the back of the 'one day' pile to be forgotten.
By the time a Gamer hits their wall with a game, regardless of where they sit on the Achievement list, they're done with it. It will take significant DLC to bring them back to an older title - there's simply too many new games to play, each and every month. They can also be lured back to multiplayer titles by friends who are just getting into them.
The last group is the easiest to typify - the Hardcore gamer, aka the Gamerscore Whore. This group is into burning through titles as fast as possible, often on week-long rentals or via Gamefly or other rental means.
Because they're not buying their games, the Hardcore will play everything - and I mean everything. Kid's games, licensed games - even genres they hate, just to beat the game and get the points they crave. The games they really like may see a bit more play time, but soon the need to play something else will win out and they'll move on.
For the most part, the Hardcore have been gaming 'forever' - just ask them. They've played NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Dreamcast, etc... The Hardcore spends the least amount of 'real' time on a game - finishing many in a day, thanks to Achievement guides and non-stop gaming sessions. They rarely focus on anything but completion of the game and pushing towards the 1,000/1,000 goal.
In the average game, a Hardcore gamer will likely earn the full 1,000. If a game has a truly noxious collection quest - aka those Assassin's Creed flags - they might abandon those points in lieu of moving on, but that would be the exception, not the rule.
Pain received a Trophy patch this week, with 17 Trophies up for grabs. You can unlock 10 bronze, five silver, and two gold in total, from a list that's decent, but not great. The best is probably one of the bronze - simply for the name 'Dude Abides' - gotten for scoring 30 strikes in Bowling.
Novastrike also received a Trophy patch recently, adding in 12 bronze and four silver Trophies. The game is terrible, and the Trophies are just as bad.
Tried TNA iMPACT earlier this week and it's pretty much what I expected - a fun game that has a lot of promise, but not a lot of depth to it.
Don't get me wrong, the gameplay has a good amount of depth in the moves and reversals available...there's just not much else to the game. You get a handful of matches and wrestlers, a criminally small number of CAW slots, and that's about it. It's a great base for future games, but is this worth your $60? Tough call to recommend it strongly at that price - but if you're tired of the Smackdown vs Raw series being the same year after year, maybe it's worth it to you.
I have to say though, that the quality of the animations is just amazing. Clipping is relatively rare, as are phantom punches and kicks. Wrestlers lock together convincingly, which really helps make the animations look even better. Reversals, in particular, stand out. Almost any move can be reversed, often with an opportunity to then reverse that reversal. The result is a game that's a pretty good replica of the TNA style, rewarding high-risk moves and a high-impact style of play.
Got both NHL 09 and NHL 2K9 this week, and I'm on tap for the NHL 09 review but I will likely also put together a comparison video. If you have any requests for what you'd like to see from that, get them in now.
Next week I think I'll be talking about Achievement list revisions - taking existing sub-par lists and retooling them to be more entertaining. Here's two examples of what I mean:
Blue Dragon Achievement - I Never Get to do Anything - Complete 10 battles with one character never getting to take their turn.
Grand Theft Auto IV Achievement - I'm in Marketing - Bailed out of a helicopter and hit a billboard.
Feel free to comment or e-mail if you have a suggestion for one, or a game that could use it.
"Pain received a Trophy patch this week, with 17 Trophies up for grabs. You can unlock 10 bronze, five silver, and two gold in total, from a list that's decent, but not great. The best is probably one of the bronze - simply for the name 'Dude Abides' - gotten for scoring 30 strikes in Bowling.
Novastrike also received a Trophy patch recently, adding in 12 bronze and four silver Trophies. The game is terrible, and the Trophies are just as bad."
Only a few sentences? Really? If you are going to hide you bias, try better next time. >__
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 12, 2008 at 02:14 AM
Still waiting for Too Human review...
Posted By: Guest#0394 (Guest) on September 12, 2008 at 03:24 AM
What is it with animal pictures and awesomeness this week?
Posted By: nick (Guest) on September 12, 2008 at 09:06 AM
Wow Dave, you are lucky he even mentions trophies. The column is called achievement unlocked, not trophies earned. Consider it a bonus that he mentions them at all. Been alomost a whole week without you starting something. Good to see you back to form, must have been sick, huh?
Posted By: Hater (Guest) on September 12, 2008 at 10:37 AM
"Only a few sentences? Really? If you are going to hide you bias, try better next time."
Only two games got Trophies this week, with one being a terrible game. What else was I supposed to say, Dave?
You might note I didn't talk about any Achievements that became available this week at all.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 12, 2008 at 11:47 AM
"Been alomost a whole week without you starting something. Good to see you back to form, must have been sick, huh?"
Dave has a new excuse for being an ass - "poor impulse control"
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 12, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Trophies are for Sony, they shouldn't be in this column. I understand Rod trying to give them some love, but honestly, once there is enough trophy support, they should get their own column just like Achievement Unlocked.
Posted By: Toddo (Guest) on September 12, 2008 at 04:32 PM
I was thinking someone might step on on that, but right now there just isn't enough there for it so I throw in what news there is.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 12, 2008 at 10:00 PM
"Trophies are for Sony, they shouldn't be in this column. I understand Rod trying to give them some love, but honestly, once there is enough trophy support, they should get their own column just like Achievement Unlocked."
Exactly. You could spend your time adding more to your column. It just looks weird having two or three sentences about trophies. It also makes it look half-assed.
If you want to write about Trophies, and there isn't much to write, you should start it is own article. If you want to write about 360, it should be its own column (void of any mentioning by the 360).
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 13, 2008 at 04:37 AM
"You could spend your time adding more to your column. It just looks weird having two or three sentences about trophies. It also makes it look half-assed."
Sorry, ManCrush. Trophies ARE half-assed. When that changes, the section will be more fleshed-out. Until then, what did you expect with two older PSN games getting a Trophy patch?
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 13, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Your second sentence: "...from a list that is decent but not great." Why isn't it great? What makes it ONLY decent. You name one of the trophies, but what are the other 16 Trophies? Are you too lazy to write out your thoughts on the other 16 or provide the reason why it isn't great? Is that too much to ask?
Second paragraph, you say: "The game is terrible, and the Trophies are just as bad." What trophies are you talking about? Where is the list of the trophies? Are you just pulling it out your ass?
Honestly, it is pretty prevalent on this article week-in and week-out. You do not take the extra effort to list any achievements or why you think they are horrible. You just give a blurb here and there about your thoughts on a game's achievements, you post a link (because someone will does your work), then you complain about this and that for the rest.
If you are going to complain that much, I'll just get you a Midol. Better yet, you should stop writing the article when you are PMSing. Honestly, I wonder how it must feel to know that a person on the right side of twenty can surpass an sports editor of a newspaper.
Unless you want to stay stagnant and not improve, you can continue to ignore those criticisms and make pointless personal attacks. By all means, I'm not stopping you. I'll just laugh at you.
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 13, 2008 at 01:30 PM
Keep reading, ManCrush.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 14, 2008 at 05:39 AM
can't expect for tna to go all out on the first game release.they got leave something for the next release.after all was hell in the cell in wwe's first smackdown release,no!! tna game is great and will only get better with future games.great job midway/tna!yes i do have the game by the way. S.Medina
Posted By: guest (Guest) on September 14, 2008 at 08:37 AM
HAHAHAHAHA!
Is that the best remark that is in your arsenal? Man, that is tired. HAHAHAHA! Geez, you may want to ask a co-worker to fill in for you or something. Your pointless attack is an example of you not recognizing the ownage. HAHAHAHAHA!
LOL, you need to think of something better next time. Just like a comedian that repeats the same joke you can only repeat the same crap over, and over, and over again.
To paraphrase Joe Biden:
Oracheski's only comeback is "Keep, Reading, and Mancrush." HAHAHAHA!
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 14, 2008 at 01:33 PM
Rod, this is my favorite column you've done yet. Seriously. You describing the types of gamers and what gamer scores they are expected to get is fabulous.
I consider myself a hardcore but I've never got 1,000 points in anything on my X-Box. OH WELL.
Posted By: Derek Robbins (Guest) on September 14, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Besides the trophies section, the overall article is well written.
However, the terms you shared describe a prejudiced and incorrect view of reality. I am a "casual" gamer, but I would be under your description of Hardcore.....I've been playing games since the mid-80's. I play for fun...I have a lot of games, but I don't sit here stressing about the little things...or earning achievement points (I mean everyone has around 7500+ gamer points).
With your last article trying people to define people, and you lacking a Ph. D., you try to use these all inclusive terms to explain your perception of reality. Unfortunately, reality is not black and white. When you try to fit the world is such a mold, you fail.
Hopefully, you can put your arrogance aside and realize that people change with the tides. They may qualify for one of your examples, but they are often a culmination of all three examples.
You try to simplify the world, or this section of it. You try to break it down into easy to explain catch phrases. Unfortunately, people don't fit into your inaccurate view. They tend to be a little more complex than that.
Like your explanation for online players, or failing to define me, I will disagree with Derek on this piece. Stylistically, everything is fine. However, the subject matter illustrated another flawed endeavor. It reminds me of Don Quixote's battle with the windmills of La Mancha...
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 15, 2008 at 09:39 AM
Do you understand what "AVERAGE" means, ManCrush? You don't necessarily HAVE to fall into a category just because you fit most of the criteria.
You don't stress about Achievements, but you sure cry over Trophies. Sounds a lot like one of the guys I mentioned in an earlier column - the guys who said Achievements sucked, but Trophies RULE!
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 15, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Do you have the ability to EVER make a point without "ManCrush?" Furthermore, I know what average means, but the definition of causal is this:
cas-u-al
-adjective
1. happening by chance, fortuitous
2. without definite or serious intintention
3. seeing or tending to be indifferent to what is happening
4. not dressy
5. occasional
6. accidental
7. obsolete
Which one of those options are applicable for the situation that you are "trying" to explain? Hmmmm?
The definition of average:
av-er-age
adjective
1. typical, common, or ordinary
2. of or pertaining to an average, estimated by average, forming an average
With that out of the way, you are trying to use a personality descriptor to describe a persons conduct. You are attempting to say that "so and so" individual will do this.....which is false. A person can have a casual view, but be anything but average.
True talent comes from those that don't NEED the sweat the details. They are anything, but average. Therefore, average=/=casual. Your entire point is false. Try better next time.
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 15, 2008 at 10:34 PM
As usual, ManCrush attempts to latch onto some tiny detail he's totally missing the point on in order to try and 'get' me. I guess all that bullshit about "impulse control" and how you were going to try and stop being an asshole was just talk right, ManCrush?
As usual.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 16, 2008 at 01:39 AM
Wow!
That is a tiny detail? One of out of the three terms you provided prove false? Right. Furthermore, you fail because that isn't an example of something on which you latch.
To latch, I would have to bring it up days later, and never stop bringing up the point. But your being such an intelligent person, you cannot grasp the "simplest" terms that I provide to you. Do I need to send a child's picture book to create understanding into you? Please, you need to stop trying. It isn't helping. You are just making yourself look more and more "special." Stop playing checkers, when I'm playing chess.
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 16, 2008 at 06:20 AM
To latch you'd have to bring it up days later? Umm...what, like three days later? Like you did? You mean you didn't look for some small issue you could argue based on some stupid interpretation that only you see - like that wouldn't also be 'latching' onto an issue?
And again, you missed the point entirely. The label 'Casual' is just that - a LABEL, a way to identify that type of gamer. It's not going to match the dictionary's listed meaning, though if you've never heard the words "casual" and "gamer" next to one another before, you should stop acting like you're the world's top authority on gaming.
You did the same thing in the article that talked about cheating, if you recall. Poor impulse control in that case too, or just another case of ManCrush wanting to start an argument and latching desperately onto something to do it?
I know which one I'd put my money on. You're so transparent it's pathetic. Find a new excuse, because "poor impulse control" has already passed belief.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 16, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I got to ask Dave, if you know so much about the writing process, and all that stuff, I am curious as to why exactly you don't write for this site anymore? You just didn't have time, or what?
I'm just asking because you spend so much time trying to crucify Rod, that you seem to be missing the simple 5-10 minutes of reading, and for most, a bit of enjoyment that these columns are intended to provide. Nobody on this site claims to be the be all end all authority about the subjects they talk about. In fact nine times out of ten, the writers claim to be fans first.
So I guess I just don't get what thrill you get out of coming into these columns that don't support the same opinions you have, and trying to tear the writer down, for offering an OPINION that may or may not differ from your own. Just because you don't agree doesn't make you right, or him wrong... Why don't you just read the ones you enjoy, and stay away from the columns that seem to piss you off? Seems to me it would be healthier for you to avoid the stress of, as you put it, a hack writer?
Posted By: Toddo (Guest) on September 16, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Why? Being in a disagreement. Not caring for the person's opinion and finishing something that started months ago. You are the voice of reason, Toddo. The otherside is repeating lines that I told him. So, I will leave him alone....if he can show the same respect.
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 16, 2008 at 04:06 PM
"So, I will leave him alone....if he can show the same respect."
I refer you back to the very first comment in the thread. Yours. Attacking me. Again.
You want to be "left alone" but you continually do this shit, ManCrush. You tell me in a PM that you're working through your issues and won't do it again...the VERY SAME WEEK you're back doing the exact same thing.
If you want to be "left alone" all you have to do is stop commenting on my articles. After all, it's not like I read anything else you write.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 16, 2008 at 04:42 PM
Voice of reason. LOL, thats the first time I have been called that. Don't get me wrong, part of my entertainment comes from seeing what you guys are going to throw at each other next, but it doesn't seem like either of you are enjoying the back and forth anymore.
Posted By: Toddo (Guest) on September 16, 2008 at 05:55 PM
I understand, Toddo.
Rod, are you so delusional that you have an "us against them" mentality towards anyone that disagrees with you. Furthermore, I guess that is why you are an editor. Huh? You can't take the simple fact of a correction as anything but a personal attack. How the hell do you still have your job? Did you have to take a shot in the mouth?
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 16, 2008 at 08:56 PM
I don't think calling me biased is "criticism" by most standards, ManCrush. Nor is making threats towards my family in an e-mail. Get back on your meds.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 16, 2008 at 11:43 PM
First, I never make threats. The are pointless lies. I stick by my word. Secondly, you are so hard-headed that you won't even see the point I'm making; so, ignore it. I mean, that is what you want to do. That is what you will do.
So, I will wash my hands of you. But this time, you'll be ignored....
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 17, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Wow! Now, you are starting to believe your very own lies. I mean, you say that you offered to edit my work. That was not the case. I mean, you never reached me at my yahoo/hotmail account. That is where I know you were lying.
Now, you want to play the victim. Fine. Play the victim.
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 17, 2008 at 01:00 AM
Huh. So "ignoring" me lasted a grand total of 31 minutes. Great self control, Dave.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 17, 2008 at 02:04 AM
I'll say this last thing to you. I wasn't going to respond. Unfortunately, you had to e-mail me. You stated that you offered to perform that service. I know that never took place.
If it is true, I want to say thank you for the offer. Unfortunately, it comes out to be too little too late. >__< *sigh*
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 17, 2008 at 04:24 AM
At first I just laughed off Rod's comments about Dave being off his meds. Now I am starting to believe that LateraDave is really nuts!! Do you even know which of your "personas" are commenting anymore? Holy shit man, get some help.
Posted By: Hater (Guest) on September 17, 2008 at 09:48 AM
wait... you mean you two guys that hate each other correspond in email and PM's as well as comments sections?
ITS ALL A WORK!!! They plan the hatred.
Posted By: hater (Guest) on September 17, 2008 at 01:58 PM
Nah - the guy that "doesn't care" about me at all goes out of his way to e-mail me, including finding my work e-mail to harass me there.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on September 17, 2008 at 04:23 PM
So Dave is like seriously stalking you? Wow, thats a bit spooky. Your hatred is such that you contact a guy at his full time job about what he does in his spare time Dave? Wow man... That is a bit spooky. Hell that is a lot spooky. Can you get a restraining order for an internet stalker?
I wonder if he realizes that all the shit he talks has really started to devalue what little credibility he once had...
Dave... Does it bother you that nobody cares what you think about anything anymore? how about the fact that nobody believes your BS stories anymore. Does that bother you?
Posted By: Hater (Guest) on September 17, 2008 at 05:53 PM
"taking existing sub-par lists and retooling them to be more entertaining"
Mercs 2 - "Is this a stand-up fight, sir, or..." -- Witness five bugs.
Too snarky? Okay...
Rock Band 2 - Axeman - Play at least song with four different guitar controllers
Posted By: Peers (Guest) on September 18, 2008 at 01:11 AM
Neither one of us were completely innocent. The other side dug up an old LJ account that I have not used in a LONG time (to make a point....I guess). Either way, we were both at fault (me more than my counterpart). There is zero innocence here.
Posted By: David (Guest) on September 18, 2008 at 06:25 AM
Hey !! I thought I was a Hardcore gamer, but it looks like I'm only a gamer, well, not bad at all, at least I'm not casual !!
Posted By: jham (Guest) on September 23, 2008 at 03:33 PM