Ask 411 Movies for 02.08.10: Lookin’ Like a Fool With Your Pants on the Ground!
Posted by Leonard Hayhurst on 02.08.2010
The peculiarities of early sound films, Razor’s Edge, Catcher in the Rye movie, Keith David, TV crossovers, Down to Earth and movies that should never be remade
From YouTube this week, the phenomenon that is "Pants on the Ground." Some friends recently turned me onto it and I am a better man for it.
Q: I've just finished watching Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.. which was a superb film. However something bothered me the entire time I watched it: What's up with the way people talked in the 40's on film? I've just recently noticed it when watching older films, it just seems like everyone has the same accent and talks very loud and over accentuates everything.
Maybe it's just me, but it did distract me a little bit at first. Was it just the way people spoke back then, or was it that the production companies only wanted to aim for a specific group of people?
Thanks
-Santa Claus
A: Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is actually from 1939. I'd hate to quibble over a year, but the audio elements you mention were more common in the thirties for two main reasons. First, with the invention of sound for film, microphones weren't the best and post-dubbing hadn't been figured out yet. So, sound was recorded live with microphones hidden on actors or in props and they had to speak up to be heard. Second, many silent actors didn't have voices for film so they were replaced by stage actors. Used to working on the stage, actors would project loudly and speak distinctly, because that's what they were used to. As far as dialogue goes, writers would write speech that was more literate and with a certain rhythm different from real life, because that was just the style then. And yes, there was also a drive by studios to have accents uniform so that films and stars would play to the widest group possible. It was thought that certain accents, like a Southern accent in a non-southern centered film, wouldn't play well.
Q: Wasn't there a movie called Razor's Edge with Bill Murray as a WW1 ambulance driver. I only saw it once but recall that it was supposed to be his first dramatic role and did pretty well in it.
-James
A: The Razor's Edge from 1984 is based on the Somerset Maugham novel and is a remake of a 1946 film with Bill Murray replacing Tyrone Power in the lead. Larry Darrell (Murray) returns to the U.S. from serving in World War I and seems lost in life. He gets his fiancée (Catherine Hicks) to hold off on their marriage as he travels first to Paris and then India and Nepal to find enlightenment. Upon his return to Paris he finds that he is not the only one to have sought and receive change. Director John Byrum was considering doing the remake when he gave his friend Murray a copy of the book to read. Murray insisted on starring, but they couldn't get anyone to back the movie. Dan Aykroyd then gave Murray the idea to broker a deal with Columbia that they would produce the movie for Murray appearing in Ghostbusters.
Q: With the passing of the great J.D. Salinger, do you think we will see his work make it on screen in Hollywood?
-J.D. Salinger
A: Very few of Salinger's works have made it to the big screen so far. The 1949 film My Foolish Heart starring Dana Andrews and Susan Hayward was based on the short story "Uncle Wiggly in Connecticut." Reportedly Salinger was not pleased with how much the film was changed from his original story and that the movie got negative reviews. It's thought that because of this Salinger was always stingy with letting his works become movies.
The short story "A Perfect Day for Bananafish" was made into a movie by Cuba. The novel "Fragmento" was made into a movie in 1984 in Mexico. Pari was an Iranian unauthorized adaptation of "Franny and Zoey." Salinger had his lawyers block a showing of the film at the Lincoln Center in 1998.
Salinger's best known work and probably the one that a studio would want to pursue for adaptation is Catcher in the Rye. Apparently MGM was interested in adapting the book after it was first published and that Salinger himself in the early fifties was pursuing a play version with himself in the lead opposite Margaret O'Brien. It never came about. Salinger refused Elia Kazan the rights to do a play version and also said no to proposed movie adaptations by Harvey Weinstein, Terrence Malick and Stephen Spielberg. However, according to a letter that Salinger wrote in 1957 he was not opposed to Rye or any of his works being turned into movies, but he didn't want to see them. He wanted to leave the rights to his works to his wife and daughter as a sort of "insurance policy." So, why the iron is hot as it were, I wouldn't be surprised to see a big time adaptation of the novel within the next five years. Salinger has name value, so producers will bite. It's just up to the family.
Q: David Keith and Keith David need to be in a buddy comedy.
-The Great Capt. Smooth
A: They can fight aliens disguised as humans that can start fires with their minds.
So now I have a cheap chance to preview Keith David, 53. He was born Keith David Williams in New York. He got hooked on acting after playing the Cowardly Lion in a school play of "The Wizard of Oz." He then attended the Manhattan School of the Performing Arts and performed with John Houseman's traveling The Acting Company. Among early credits was as Keith the Southwood Carpenter in the Land of Make Believe on "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood." His movies include The Live, The Thing, Platoon, Road House, Men at Work, Always, Marked for Death, Clockers, Dead Presidents, The Quick and the Dead, Volcano, Armageddon, There's Something About Mary, Pitch Black, Requiem for a Dream, Barbershop, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, All About Steve and this year's Lottery Ticket. He's also done tons of voice over work for documentaries and cartoons such as "Gargoyles" and "Spawn."
Q: Trying to remember the name of a show from probably the late eighties about an angel from the twenties that comes back to earth in the present day to work as a maid for a family.
-Kevin
A: "Down to Earth" was the first original series by TBS and ran from 1984 to 1987. Ethel MacDoogan (Carol Mansell) was a flapper in the 1920's who died when hit by a trolley car. In order to earn her wings as a guardian angel, she was sent to earth in the eighties to serve as a maid and monitor for the Preston family. Father Richard (Dick Sargemt of "Bewitched", who replaced Stephen Johnson early on) was recently widowed and had three children; Duane (David Kaufman), Lissy (Kyle Richards) and JJ (Randy Josselyn), who knew Ethel's secret. Often, boss angels would drop in to check on Ethel, including Rip Taylor in the last couple seasons. Intro video
Q: Hey Mr. H,
So, right to the point. Not happy w/ a reboot of Spider-man in under 10 years from the last incarnation. Now, which movie from your childhood would you go nuts if Hollywood remade it ever? For me, Back to the Future. If Spielberg did not put a stop to that I would take it upon myself to do so.
-Paul
A: Before I read your last sentence, the first thing that came to mind was Back to the Future. That's a film that is such of its time and place and cast that a remake would either be such a slap in the face to the original and its fans or so different you might as well call it a different movie. For years, there had been talk of doing another series of films with Doc's kids as the leads and I remember an interview with Michael J. Fox where he said he would like to play Marty as a Doc type character in a spin-off, both are ok ideas by me.
Since I agreed with you, I'll give another choice. How about The Princess Bride? Again, you have the perfect cast and it was made and released at such a certain time period. That movie is lightening in a bottle and there is no way you could recapture that a second time.
In the comments last week, people mentioned some TV crossover ideas, such as "House" and "Psych." I think it would be cool to cross most of the current USA Network shows because they all have a certain feel and style to them. Anyway, lets look at some famous or odd past TV crossovers.
"St. Elsewhere" and "Cheers." Both shows are set in Boston and were on NBC. In an episode of "St. Elsewhere" Doctor Westphall, Auschlander and Craig stop by Cheers for a drink. It's revealed that Carla had one of her children at St. Eligius and that Norm was once Auschlander's accountant. "St. Elsewhere" was the king of odd crossovers. One Christmas Dr. Craig tells his wife about serving in the Korean War with BJ Honeycutt of "MASH." One of the orderlies on the show was Byron Stewart as Warren Coolidge, the exact same character he played on "The White Shadow." Later, Alfre Woodward reprised her role of Dr. Roxanne Turner on "Homicide: Life on the Streets."
Infamously, "St. Elsewhere" ended with the whole series revealed to be in the mind of an autistic child. So, by connection that would mean that any series that can be connected to "St. Elsewhere" also occurred in his mind. It will drive you mad if you think about it too hard.
"The Dukes of Hazzard" and "Alice" Definitely, a weird one. Boss Hogg and Enos showed up on "Alice" in an attempt to buy Mel's Diner. Why Hogg would want to buy a diner so far away from Hazzard is beyond me. The episode ended with Hoggs' car filled with cement and him going back to Hazzard.
"Diagnosis Murder" starring Dick Van Dyke had a crossover with a series that had long been off the air when Mike Connors reprised his role as private investigator Joe Mannix. The episode used clips from an old Mannix episode to lay out the plot of Mannix trying to find the killer of the father of a TV newscaster. Mannix is shot during his investigation and that's how Van Dyke's Dr. Mark Sloan gets involved. The series also crossed over with "Matlock" and "Mission Impossible" when Barbara Bain reprised her role as Cinnamon Carter.
A crossover that didn't happen, but was intended was "Magnum, PI" and "Quantum Leap." Both series share the same creator in Donald P. Bellisario. As Bellisario described in an interview, the idea would be to play the traditional "Magnum" opening and at the part where Tom Selleck turns and looks at the camera, giving a wiggle of his eyebrows, Sam would leap into him. I'm also thinking a connection was that Al and Magnum knew each other from their Navy days.
Back to the Future will never, should ever be remade just cuz of the reasons Hayhurst mentioned. Also on that list should have been Karate Kid. Sorry but that was the perfect cast for the perfect time. Perfect nerdy kid, perfect mentor, perfect a**hole foe (the best from the 80s). And please do not touch anything that has John Hughes stamped on it.
Posted By: Cotti (Guest) on February 07, 2010 at 11:20 PM
"Infamously, "St. Elsewhere" ended with the whole series revealed to be in the mind of an autistic child. So, by connection that would mean that any series that can be connected to "St. Elsewhere" also occurred in his mind."
Or, the autistic child watched a lot of television and invented connections between the people he created and the characters he had seen on tv.
Posted By: Eric von Erich (Guest) on February 07, 2010 at 11:34 PM
1. A few weeks back someone asked what was Martin Scorsese's worst movie and I was wondering what is considered to be the worst movie of other famous directors. Clint Eastwood, Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, Tim Burton, Francis Ford Coppola, and the Coen brothers
2. Who in your opinion are some of the best musician turned actors?
Posted By: the honorable Judge Reinhold (Guest) on February 07, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Billy bob is best actor musician but he is an actor first so kinda disqualifies him.
Reba was great in Tremors. No joke.
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 12:40 AM
A Magnum P.I./Quantum Leap crossover would have been absolutely amazing to see.
Speaking of Quantum Leap and Magnum P.I. I have a few questions.
#1. I know it was mentioned before, but has there ever been any more word on the supposed Quantum Leap pilot/movie/series that was supossedly in production regarding Sam's daughter leaping through time to find him?
#2. While I love watching QL reruns, the final episode kind of made me feel ripped off after watching the series from episode 1 until the end. I was just highly disappointed that Sam never returned home. Was this done on the hopes of a movie or a TV "reunion" or was it intentionally done to keep Sam leaping through time forever?
#3. If the Magnum movie is made, do you think Tom Selleck would do a cameo? While I think it would be funny.. Selleck is still young enough (in my opinion) to play Magnum. I think a cameo would probably be more distracting than anything else.
#4. I've been trying to find the premiere dates for the next two "Jesse Stone" tv films that Tom Selleck has been shooting. Any word?
#6. Any chance on Tom or TNT doing more original westerns? It's been years since the last TNT original western.
Posted By: ZERO (Registered) on February 08, 2010 at 12:48 AM
Famous musicians who have also acted:
Elvis
Harry Connick Jr
Tom Waits
Henry Rollins
Johnny Cash
Dolly Parton
Jennifer Hudson
Levon Helm
thats all I can think of right now.
Posted By: Spaghett (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 01:08 AM
Regarding the worst movies by some of the directors you listed
Spielberg- Hook (Huge waste given the talent involved)
Coppola- Jack (One of the worst movies i've ever seen, coincidentally also stars Robin Williams)
Burton- Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (Terrible remake, the original was a classic not to be messed with)
The Coen brothers- The Ladykillers (There is no way the Coens and Tom Hanks can do a bad movie together right? Wrong.)
I've actually never seen a movie by Cameron or Eastwood that I didn't like.
Posted By: Guest#1234 (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 01:32 AM
Magnum PI could still star Selleck. Even if he's 75, he still looks the exact same more or less. It's not like Magnum had to be young. He could get older and still be a beach bum type.
That said, I seem to recall Selleck telling Conan (TEAM COCO!) a couple years ago that he was too old for the role and that he wouldn't do a cameo if it was one of those stupid lampoon remakes.
Posted By: Jake G. (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 04:40 AM
Hook is an underrated gem, I think. The plot is one of those ideas you hear that gets tossed around and sounds better on paper than say, in execution. It would have beeb better had their been an actual live action Peter Pan that had been a hit decades prior.
While there have been a couple live action Peter Pans, Hook would have greatly benefited as being a sequel some years later.
Posted By: Ralph (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 04:42 AM
Accents still get 'standardised' for wider market appeal. The cast of The Tribe had to develop American accents so the series could be sold in the USA.
Posted By: 4dayslater (Registered) on February 08, 2010 at 05:09 AM
A BTTF update could be done. Just have the Mall Cop sequel be set at the Lone Pine Mall. "He killed a pine!"
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 05:42 AM
I'm going to have to disagree with Guest#1234's opinion that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is Tim Burton's worst movie, and submit that his remake of Planet of the Apes is his worst movie.
I actually really liked Charlie over Willy Wonka, mostly because I feared for the children's safety less. I found Gene Wilder terribly unsettling when I watched that movie in the early '80s, and thought he was never more than one wrong look away from offing the bratty children himself.
I will agree with you that I haven't seen a movie by Eastwood or Cameron that I wouldn't rate at least "good".
Posted By: Vince (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 07:16 AM
An amusing extreme to take your St Elsewhere theory to is to think of all the shows that crossed over or spun off of the ones you mentioned (for example, since Cheers would count as one of those shows Frasier would also count)... this is an interesting mental exercise I've seen before. Last time it was posed like this:
Any time some character "meets" somebody for the first time, you can assume they all exist in some form of joined universe. For example: The three stooges met Scooby Doo, who met Batman, who met Predator... meaning you could in theory have "The Three Stooges meet Predator". Using the Scooby Doo & Batman connection allows you to com e up with some really out there meetings:
Since Batman met predator and predator was tied to the Aliens series you could also get The Harlem Globetrotters meet Aliens.
Obviously these things aren't what the creators intended-- but it's definitely a fun little mental exercise (sort of like Kevin Bacon)
Posted By: M:-X (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 08:20 AM
Funny you mention The Princess Bride. I just picked it up from Best Buy for $5 this past week and watched it for the first time in prolly 10+ years. And I am a better person for having that in my collection.
If they remade The Monster Squad like has been rumored I would actively campaign against it. I might just lose my mind, too. Robocop is another that is heavily rumored that just needs to be left alone. 80s flicks are such a product of their time and the themes of something like Robocop is still applicable today (if not more so) that a remake is unnecessary.
"Infamously, "St. Elsewhere" ended with the whole series revealed to be in the mind of an autistic child. So, by connection that would mean that any series that can be connected to "St. Elsewhere" also occurred in his mind. It will drive you mad if you think about it too hard."
Or that the kid was merely influenced by things he saw on HIS television and integrated certain characters into his own world. Like an 80s version of fan fiction.
Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 11:13 AM
As far as crossovers go didnt N.B.C. periodically do crossovers on their shows that were on the same night. I remember 1 night that a blackout happened on friends and it hit three out of four shows that were on that night[sienfeld skipped out of it]. I also remember a hurricane storyline that spawened intoa few shows. One of them being empty nest. And now that im thinking about it Charlies angels showed up on the Love Boat
Posted By: Jeff Albertson (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 11:20 AM
In order to fully appreciate the awesomeness that is BTTF, one must have been alive and aware when the film was released.
Much in the same vein, Karate Kid, 'Bill n' Ted', The Wizard, Big Trouble in Little China, and Wargames should all be left alone.
Posted By: Guest#3046 (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Trust me when I say Spielberg's worst movie is definately "1984" with the very boring "Duel" being a possible contender. There's a reason he very rarely tackles comedies.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 07:57 PM
Question - how much does MTV matter anymore? I mean do ANY of there shows get any ratings outside of Jersey Shore?? I know I am not in the age they are looking to get, but is MTV popular among kids these days?? I flip the channels and they have all these weird shows that seem to last just 1 season...I cant see ANYONE watching this stuff...I was wondering if they are getting any kinds of ratings...
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on February 08, 2010 at 11:13 PM
It's funny that the topic of crossovers has come up. I just recently finished the series run of Millenium (great show, highly underrated)and got the X Files/Millenium crossover from Netflix. It was pretty disapointing and just played like an X Files episoded with Frank Black thrown in so Chris Carter could give him a farewell.
Somewhat totally unrelated, but Kristpowitz mentioned in one of his columns a while back that a Millenium movie might be in the works. Any news on this? Is this going to happen? Chris Carter can't be that busy, and after the suckfest that was the last X Files movie, he should stay away from that for a while.
Posted By: Mario (Guest) on February 09, 2010 at 02:20 AM
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