411 Fact or Fiction Movies/TV 11.09.12: Week 356
Posted by Ben Piper on 11.09.2012
Are we excited by the prospect of Star Wars: Episode VII? Will Skyfall be Bond at his best? Will Jamie Foxx make a good Electro in The Amazing Spider-Man 2? 411's Sean Garmer and Ron Martin debate these topics and more!
What's up, everybody? Time for that old Fact or Fiction goodness you all so know and love. This week we've got Ron Martin and Sean Garmer to regale us all with their thoughts on the matters of the day. Let's see what's up with themů
1. Skyfall will be Bond at his best.
Ron Martin: Fiction. Perhaps this is my age showing, but I don't know that Bond films will ever re-capture its glory days. It will be very good, for sure, but there's not going to be an Austin Powers movie parodying the plot, the designated Bond girl while super hot, probably isn't going to be looked at like Barbara Bach or Caroline Munro. The villain isn't going to be as iconic as Goldfinger or Jaws. Not that Skyfall won't be worth going to see, but when somebody thinks of the Bond series, it's images from Goldfinger, The Man With the Golden Gun and Thunderball that come to mind. Anything modern is just another chapter in the series and a nice diversion from animated comedies and superhero films.
Sean Garmer:Fiction. Ron, your age is not showing, it is very hard for anyone to outdo Sean Connery's James Bond. I like Daniel Craig as Bond and I've enjoyed his Bond movies so far. The issue will be that there is going to be something that holds this back because that's how critics are really. Ron's right this is not going to equal old bond but that does not mean this cannot be a better bond film. The story seems interesting and that's what matters in this sort of film unless you really just love watching Bond have sex a bunch
Score: 1 for 1
2. You're thrilled with the prospect of Star Wars: Episode VII.
Ron Martin: Fact. If you had asked me this last week, I may have had a different answer. Lucasfilms being sold to Disney gives me a new hope (pun intended). If Episode VII came out under just the Lucasfilms banner, it would be a toss up if I would even have gone to the theater to see it. I may have just waited for DVD. George Lucas, being the creative guy that he is, just can't write an effective screenplay anymore. His casting decisions are questionable at best and he certainly divided what was a loyal fanbase. However, the Star Wars franchise survived The Star Wars Holiday Special, it can survive Episodes 1-3. I'm not saying Disney will do it perfectly, but we all know Lucas would not have so why not give Disney a shot? If Disney is known for two things it's how to get your money and storytelling. I'm curious as to where they will go with the story. I've been told that the third trilogy (in book form) focuses on Han Solo and Leia's Jedi children. I think that might be the way to go. I would love to see Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher again, but I don't think they need to be the focus of the films. It will be strange to have a Star Wars movie without the threat of Darth Vader, but I am anxious to see what the filmmakers will come up with. Disney got an amazing deal, getting Lucasfilms for only $4 billion. They will make three times that on the next three Star Wars films and that doesn't include the continued Clone Wars cartoons, merchandising, Indiana Jones and not to mention not having to pay rights to use the Star Wars and Indiana Jones properties in their parks.
Sean Garmer:Fact. This is a great move for Disney and this has the potential to do Avengers type numbers because you know all those star wars fans that are hating on this move will see the movies too no matter what they say now. It will be interesting to see what the storyline will be for these films. The real shame is that it will be hard to have Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill to show up in these films. So they are going to have to find people suitable of taking their spots. As Ron said I am also worried about how this is going to work with no Darth Vader but I'm sure between Lucas and Disney they can figure it out. Ron also stated something important that merchandise and the positive creativity Disney has with their animated shows recently only means good things for Star Wars. I'm excited to see what animated shows they could create with the Star Wars universe, just as long as they don't have a Marvel vs. Star Wars crossover show.
Score: 2 for 2
3. A Hungry Hungry Hippos big screen movie is a horrible idea.
Ron Martin:Fact. Is it that bad in Hollywood these days that we have to resort to turning toddler games into movies? There's no story here. There are some hippos and they eat marbles. Have we learned nothing from the disaster that was Battleship? There is only one "game" that had a decent movie and that was Clue. However, Clue, the board game was full of story and intrigue and was set up nicely for the big screen. Hungry Hungry Hippo? Do kids even play that game anymore? Who's the target demographic here, the 30 something parents who want nothing to do with this drivel or 5-10 year olds who are too busy with their faces buried in Nintendo 3DS and Fruit Ninjas to care about a lime green hippo who eats marbles. It's movie ideas like this one that frustrate me. I am one of probably hundreds of writers that have original, good ideas but will never get a break because Hollywood is too scared to look outside their city limits for material. Thus, you get Hungry, Hungry Hippos. Yay? Yeah, I'm bitter -- sue me.
Sean Garmer:Fact. As the Miz would say Really? Really? Really? Did they not watch how Battleship failed miserably? This actually might already be in production but I'm waiting for the Monopoly movie. This is absolutely ridiculous no wonder people cherry pick movies nowadays and the box office overall has been declining because people actually have ideas like this go somewhere.
Score: 3 for 3
4. You're bummed that NBC has cancelled Rainn Wilson's Office spinoff The Farm.
Sean Garmer:Fiction. I love Dwight the character, but The Office has been floundering since Steve Carrel decided to leave the show. NBC needs to move ahead with other shows and let anything associated with The Office die. This season has been not funny and stupid. Mercifully, I am glad for everyone involved they get to move onto something else. I think this is a good decision by NBC and hopefully Rainn Wilson gets into another stellar series or film some time in the future I really like his work.
Ron Martin: Fiction. Not only has The Office been living on borrowed time since Steve Carroll left, but the demise of the show has hurt the characters. If I were still watching the show regularly, I am sure I would still want to throw Jim and Pam through an eighth story window. They've completely devalued Andy and none of the other characters have been deemed important enough to care about the last two years. No spinoff from The Office would have been watchable. We're done with these characters and do not want to see them anymore. Dwight may be the biggest tragedy as when he debuted it was a fresh character, but as The Officegot less and less funny, the solution was to force feed us as much Dwight as possible. His act has gotten stale, which sucks for Rainn Wilson because I can't imagine him being interesting in any other role. I am glad we will be spared a half dozen poorly written episodes followed by a half dozen shows with as many Office alumni making as many special guest appearances as possible.
Score: 4 for 4
5. Jamie Foxx would be a good, interesting choice to play the villainous Electro in The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Sean Garmer:Fact. I enjoy anything that Jamie Foxx does and if he is going to be a villain in Spiderman I am all for it.
Ron Martin: Fiction. Has there been a guy who has made a bigger career out of one role in their life than Jamie Foxx? I'm not saying it wasn't a good role, but you give him awards for it and everyone forgets that he's not that good of an actor because he can put "award winning" in front of his name. If I never see Jamie Foxx in a movie ever again, I'm okay with that. I'm not interested in another Spider-Man movie regardless of who is attached to it, but Jamie Foxx makes me less interested. Reruns of In Living Colour are about the only thing I should ever see him in again.
Score: 4 for 5
6. Sam Raimi potentially directing the Poltergeist remake makes you much more interested in seeing it.
Sean Garmer:Fact. Raimi does have a thing with directing pretty good horror films like Evil Dead and Army of Darkness and I liked Drag Me to Hell. However, he also has a history like with The Messengers, Boogeyman, The Possession, and The Grudge among others that weren't so good (I know he was only a Producer on some of those, but he was still involved.) I am excited for his new Oz film and he knows Poltergeist is such a cult classic that he has to do it justice or he is gonna get slammed by many folks around the world. I do have some interest in it because he is attached but generally I am not a big fan of these remakes Hollywood keeps forcing on us.
Ron Martin: Fiction. It's not that I'm anti-Sam Raimi, it's that I'm anti remake. There are a few occasions where remakes okay. None of them apply here. Poltergeist isn't 40 years old, nor is the original movie terribly dated. While the special effects will be helped because of modern day technoogy, the special effects weren't so bad as to warrant a remake. Like all other unnecessary remakes, the day this remake comes out, I'll just watch the original. All the major scenes from Poltergeist still work. Remakes by definition are inferior films. Even Sam Raimi can't change that. I would be very interested in Sam Raimi making a new chapter of Poltergiest or a new movie about a poltergeist but a remake of the original film is unimaginative and a waste of his talents.
Final Score: 4 for 6
Ron and Sean agree more often than not. Thanks to them both for playing, and see you all again next week!