The Comics 8 Ball 11.11.13: Top 8 'WTF' Comic Book Moments
Posted by Anthony Kennedy on 11.11.2013
From the Joker shooting Barbara Gordon and Magneto tearing out Wolverine's adamantium to shocking deaths in The Walking Dead, Bane breaking Batman's back and more, 411's Anthony Kennedy breaks down the Top 8 "WTF" moments in comic books!
Welcome back to the Comic 8 Ball in the Movie Zone everyone! Before I get into this week's 8 Ball, wanted to address the amazing news of Marvel bringing Daredevil, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and the Defenders to Netflix.
This might be the best delivery platform for these characters. While Daredevil is one of Marvel's most popular characters, I've been of the belief that a television show is the best medium for him as there's at most three films you could do with Matt Murdock: origin story, Elektra Love story and death by Bullseye, and Born Again—can't believe Fox tried to do all three in one film. This strategy could yield three to five 13 episode seasons for Daredevil. The other three would struggle to find an audience on television, let alone at the box office. They are high risk, low reward properties and Marvel made a good strategic maneuver to grow these properties and expose them to an audience in a way that won't taint the Marvel brand like a high profile television cancellation or box office flop would do. The fact that they're building to a Defenders super team show, provides even more faith that, like with the Avenges film initiative, they have plan.
This is a win-win for both, but Netflix is the real winner, besides already getting all the Disney films, now they have an exclusive property that can only seen on their "network". It makes sense for a television property as these are street level, scaled down powered heroes that will not rely on costly CGI, thus production cost will be minimal and can produce a superhero show in similar look and feel of Arrow. Now if we can just get Joe Carnahan involved with the process all would be perfect, as many like the take he gave in his much lauded Daredevil sizzle reel.
Those are my thoughts, could be wrong and everything flops, but we'll just have to wait and see till 2015.
JusticeBringer: Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne as Batman and Robin really should be listed as a duo.
You know what, you're probably right, that run was so good I should have put them on as duo.
gooched: They really should have stuck with the team of Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne as Batman and Robin, even running a parallel series of their continuing adventures after Bruce came back, Grayson was a great Batman, a lighter and more emotionally stable Batman but one that has less confidence, while the over confident grim Damian proved to complete a great role reversal. Just a great dynamic that should have gone on much longer than it did, it turned Damian from scourge of the Bat-family to genuine fan favourite and brought some fresh air to the cowl.
I don't know about the idea of a parallel run of Dick and Damian, but a longer run was definitely called for with these two.
John I never understood the Stephanie Brown hatred. Her role in the war games story arc was really great. The fact that many times she was fucking things up was a nice change of pace in a comic where everyone is so perfect at everything they do. Gotham needed a fallible character like Stephanie.
That's actually an interesting take on the character that I had not considered, maybe my biased love for Cassandra blinded me to the type of stories they were telling with Stephanie. I believe another run through of those issues might be in order.
Dos-FaceI would say the Winter Soldier becoming the new Captain America belongs on this list but Bucky is a lot cooler as the Winter Soldier, not as Captain America. It's a very rare case of me liking the guy who is replacing the hero but also thinking he's much better suited to going back to be who he was before.
You conveyed my thoughts exactly as to why I had left Bucky's time as Cap off this list. While Bucky as a fill in was fine, he was sooo much more an interesting character as the Winter Soldier.
Hal's Emerald Action Team, the real life group that continually protested DC's decision to remove Hal's as GL and campaigned for his return as a superhero in the comic book. I hate them!
CyberVenom :Difficult one. Let's see....in no order:
1. Tim Drake as Robin
2. Hal Jordan as Green Lantern
3. Barry Allen as Flash
4. Wally West as Flash
5. Miles Morales as Ultimate Spider-Man
6. Bucky as Captain America
7. Dick Grayson and Damien Wayne as Batman and Robin
8. Conner Kent as Superboy
9. Kevin Masterson as Thor
10. Monica Rambeau as Captain Marvel
I don't think Monica Rambeau would count if you're referring to the original Captain Mar Vell from the Kree-Skrull war as she wasn't a replacement and just had the name not the powers or identity. Eric Masterson is interesting as I liked the story and probably deserved inclusion as honorable mention.
Jim Man Beyond Terry McGiniss should be on here
Most definitely as an honorable mention, as I kept this list strictly for comic book characters only.
Top 8 WTF Moments
Essentially, these chosen WTF moments are moments in comic that are so traumatizing, so brutal or out of nowhere demoralizing, didn't see coming that they leave a lasting impression. With the caveat out of the way, onto the list:
#8 It's a Good Life for Kraven Amazing Spider-Man #294
The conclusion to the excellent Kraven's Last Hunt storyline, left long-time Spidey fans in disbelief that such a heralded villain could be gone in that manner. Having gone off the deep end, he "kills and buries" Spider-Man, assumes his identity, even beating the villain Vermin, (something Peter hadn't done) and deciding that he's proven he's bested his greatest prey shots himself in the head. Thankfully they have not tainted this awesome storyline by to trying figure out a way to bring him back.
#7 Bane Breaks the Bat Batman #497
In wrestling terminology, this is how you get a monster heel over. Bane not only systematically wore down the mat be did the unthinkable when he put him out of commission with the Argentinean backbreaker. It was so violent and brutal that nearly two decades later, comic fans have this image ingrained in their conscience.
#6 Negan Plays Baseball with Glen The Walking Dead #100
Everyone expected something big for The Walking Dead's 100th issue. Kirkman and crew decided they needed to live up to the hype that this milestone brought with and brutally bring Glen's tenure in the comic to an end. They've done some sick scare jumps, a beheading and even baby killing, but the sight of Glen getting his head bashed in by Lucille stayed with me for a couple days. Congratulations Robert Kirkman, you're a sick fuck!
#5 Mags Collects a Pound from Wolvie X-Men #25
Ah, X-Men, back in the days when Wolvie wasn't the over used, pimped out immortal that fans are forced to endure today. It totally made sense that Magneto could do this, but it took X-scribers Fabian Nicieza & Scott Lobdell to pull the trigger on Magnus ripping the adamantium out of Logan's body in one of the cruelest acts ever.
#4 No Doesn't Mean No with Mr. Hyde! League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
That Alan Moore. In volume two of the series, the Martians have landed on Earth and are wrecking havoc, however the team has an issue to deal with as there's traitor in their midst. The ever tactful, Edward Hyde makes it his mission to dole out a little vengeance, to the now revealed Invisible as only he knows how by violently beating and raping him. The culmination of his act is paid off in full a couple panels later as, while sitting down to dinner, the Invisible Man's blood slowly becomes visible on Hyde's clothes and hands.
#3 Invisible Baby No More… Fantastic Four #267
Not violent or brutal in the least, just very heartbreaking. Mr. Fantastic frantically jumped through hoops to do whatever it took to save Sue and their unborn daughter. Everyone believed that, in the end, he would figure it out, I mean the hero has to save the day, right? Not in this case, as John Byrne gave a huge gut punch to FF fans with a final black panel where we learn that Reed and Sue have lost a child.
#2 The Joker is the One Who Knocks! The Killing Joke
This moment right here let us know that this was not just another Batman-Joker story. Outside of the Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns and Year One, Alan Moore's psychological tale stands as one of the most definitive stories in the Dark Knight's history. Moore decides to retire Barbara Gordon's crime fighting career in a sadistic moment by the Joker as he shoots her in front of her father and then sexually molests her with photographic evidence of the deed to show to Commissioner Gordon. Even superheroes aren't safe from this villain.
#1 "Where's mommy…Where's Judy?" The Walking Dead #47
As the battle with the Governor storyline came to an end, I felt something bad was going to happen, but to kill the main protagonist's wife and newborn baby, wow, it was just a total mindfuck! Lori (and mind you not the annoying character that Sarah Wayne Callies played) was Rick's boo and holding a baby. Who could think this was the scenario to off TWO critical characters. If it means anything, their death lead to Carl becoming the bad ass that he's become.
Well that's my list. Agree, disagree, did I miss someone that deserved to make this list? Let me know! Join me next week for another edition of the 8-Ball! Until then, I live you with this great Stan Lee rant calling shenanigans on Superman's ability to fly while extolling the virtues of Thor's flight capabilities. Have a great week and don't forget to read the many other great columns, news articles and more here at 411mania.com! I'm done.