411 Fact or Fiction Movies 03.28.08: Week 119
Posted by Ben Piper on 03.28.2008
Will Superhero Movie be the first spoof movie in a long time that shall not suck? Was anyone surprised by the cancellation of Jericho? Will David Schwimmer's lack of directorial talent sink Run, Fatboy, Run? 411's Bryan Kristopowitz and Leonard Hayhurst debate these and other topics in week 119 of Fact or Fiction: Movies!
Greetings and salutations, my friends. With the weekend upon us, it could only mean one thing, Fact or Fiction action at it's finest! In this instance we've got Leonard Hayhurst and Bryan Kristopowitz bringing their opinions to the table. Let's see what they have to say…
1. Superhero Movie will be the first spoof movie in a long time that shall not suck.
Bryan Kristopowitz:Fact- I say "Fact" cautiously because there's still a big chance this flick will bomb and bomb badly. But it does have a few good things going for it. First, David Zucker is involved as a producer. He, along with brother Jerry Zucker and Jim Abrahams, basically created this genre of movie. He may not be directing, but he's got a hand in it, so there's a good chance this could be better than those Epic Movie type spoofs. And second, Leslie Nielson is in it. Nielson is always funny, even in a bad spoof movie. So, again, I say "Fact" with caution.
Leonard Hayhurst: Fiction- I actually agree with Bryan in his points, but my glass is half empty while his is half full. I don't like any of these movies, because they try to be current with their barbs and are outdated by the time the movie hits. From previews we see them using the 'make fun of Tom Cruise' card that the last Scary Movie already did a couple years ago. If anything redeems the film, it will be the solid comedy cast that includes Neilsen, Robert Hayes, Nicole Sullivan, Christopher McDonald, Brent Spiner, Keith David and Tracy Morgan as a black Professor Xavier telling Storm to "keep that booty tight." However, Drake Bell and Sara Paxton leave a lot to be desired in the leads in their experience and acting skill.
Score: 0 for 1
2. You were not surprised by the cancellation of Jericho.
Bryan Kristopowitz:Fact- As soon as CBS announced that they were airing the seven episode second season on Tuesdays at 10pm, I figured the show was pretty much doomed. For whatever reason Tuesday at 10pm is a black hole on the CBS schedule. CBS should have put the show on Wednesdays at 8pm, where the show thrived in its first season (well, at least the first half of the season thrived at that time). It's too bad. Jericho was a great show and had plenty of cool potential going forward (I really wanted to see Jake and Hawkins go to New York). I wonder what CBS will replace it with. What new CSI premutation can they come up with next? That Blue Collar Comedy CSI spoof CSI: Greater Greensboro Tri-County Area is looking more and more like something the network will want to produce.
Leonard Hayhurst:Fact- I never watched the series, but it seemed like fan fervor had died down from last year. The writer's strike probably derailed any momentum the show might have had. CBS is usually pretty good at letting cult hits hang on the schedule and giving shows time to develop, but (CBS) seems to usually go after women and older audiences, which Jericho doesn't play into so much. This doesn't mean that the show is dead, because I think there might be some interest from Sci-Fi or USA if CBS just lets the show go its own way.
Score: 1 for 2
3. Despite its intriguing premise, you expect 21 to be doomed to fail at the box office.
Bryan Kristopowitz:Fiction- I have absolutely no interest in seeing this movie at all. Every single time I saw the preview for this movie (and it stands now at seven times) I wanted to burn the theatre down. I hate the hip and edgy premise of this movie, I hate the hip and edgy douchebag cast, I hate the "Don't call me dude" Kevin Spacey line (wait a second, didn't he decide not that long ago to go back to the stage because he wanted to be a "real" actor?), I hate that little smirk the hip and edgy chick gives the guy when he asks "Where are we going?", I hate big, fat Larry Fishburne for being in this thing, and now, because of the trailer, I hate "The Doors." But, just because I don't like something doesn't mean other people are going to like it. And as long as the trailer plays in heavy rotation on MTV and the other hip and edgy young people TV channels and internets sites, I'm sure 21 will do just fine. It may not open at #1, but I'm sure it'll do well enough for the producers to light up a big cigar on Sunday afternoon.
Leonard Hayhurst:Fact- I don't hate the previews as much as Bryan does, but I do detest "The Doors." Yeah, I said it. The fact is that the poker craze has died off totally and even though this movie is dealing with blackjack, it's still trying to ride those coattails. Lucky You that was released about the same time last year totally bombed. Nobody in the movie, not even Spacey, can really open a film. No matter how hip and edgy they try to make it look, I don't think the current MTV crowd is not really going to get behind it. I predict it opens out of the top five this week and drops quickly.
Score: 1 for 3
Switch!!!
4. You expect the heavy Iraq war themes of Stop Loss will keep people away in droves.
Leonard Hayhurst: Fiction- There seems to be more controversy over stars Abbie Cornish and Ryan Phillippe possibly having an affair than anything involving the Iraq war. I don't think the movie will be a huge hit at the box office, but I believe reviews will be fine and it will do well on DVD as it builds buzz. At the five-year anniversary of the Iraq war, it might be the right time for a film that examines the war from the home front in a frank manner. It's certainly more relatable to the average filmgoer than a flick that focuses on the war itself. Stop Loss is the only movie of its kind out there and that might bring in some serious filmgoers. I didn't think Zodiac was going to do well last year released around the same time because it was too serious a drama, but it did fine. Although I don't look for this to have legs, unless critical buzz really helps it.
Bryan Kristopowitz:Fiction- Despite the recent commercial featuring Peter Travers from "Rolling Stone" lauding the flick, Stop Loss hasn't been advertised as a serious prestige "art" movie about "issues" and "making a statement," which is what I believe killed the chances of the Iraq war movies that came out last fall. It appears to be about young people and their families and what being "stop lossed" does to them. But the most important thing is it's about young people, "regular" people. I agree with Leonard in that it won't be a huge hit, but it'll make money. The producers of this flick will join up with the 21 people on Sunday and help each other light their cigars.
Score: 2 for 4
5. You were pleased to hear that FOX has renewed Prison Break for next season.
Leonard Hayhurst: Fiction- I never watched the show, I don't care to watch the show and I don't give a damn. The only exposure I have to it is that a woman my mom works with is obsessed with Robert Knepper and she has me track down obscure movies of his for her. I wondered what they were going to do after they actually broke out of prison and from the commercials I've seen it looks like they stuck them in another prison. It's a concept with a short
shelf life.
Bryan Kristopowitz:Fiction- I've never seen the show, either. I have no interest in the show at all. I bet the people at TV Guide are happy about the show's renewal, though. They love the show. They write about it pretty much every week.
Score: 3 for 5
6. Despite the considerable comic talents of Simon Pegg and Hank Azaria, you have no faith in the directorial talents of David Schwimmer to invest time and money to see Run, Fatboy, Run.
Leonard Hayhurst: Fact- With that title you would think they could find someone who, you know, was actually fat. Was Kevin James that busy? Schwimmer has done some television work, but this is his first feature film. There are too many comedies out there right now and this will get lost in the shuffle. The poor reception of Hot Fuzz last year doesn't bode well for a movie with Simon Pegg as its star, no matter how talented he might be. Keep in mind that Shaun of the Dead didn't find an audience in the U.S. until hitting DVD. I also see that Michael Ian Black worked on the screenplay and that probably defeats it more than Schwimmer's directing. Oddly, as I wrote my answers up with the TV on in the background a commercial ran for every single movie talked about (in this week's column).
Bryan Kristopowitz:Fiction- I certainly have no faith in Schwimmer as a director (or as an actor, for that matter), but I'm curious to see how this movie works out. The commercials have been funny, and since like everyone else on the internets I'm a fan of Simon Pegg, again, I want to see how it works out. I think the biggest problem for this movie is that it takes place in Britain, and for Americans, unless it's James Bond or an American superstar actor (like Brad Pitt or Julia Roberts) starring, no one wants to see a movie about "foreigners."
Final Score: 3 for 6
There you have it, Leonard and Bryan split the difference this week. Many thanks to them both for their participation.
Useless Trivia Question of the Week
To anyone that may have written in response to last week's contest with "interracial couples" as the subject of their email, I mistakenly took it for porn spam and deleted it posthaste. Sorry. If it's any consolation, I already had a winner so it didn't matter anyways. And that winner was Jeff from Van Nuys, Ca. who correctly answered that the first ongoing interracial couple on network TV, the actors that played them and the show itself was Franklin Cover and Roxie Roker who played Tom and Helen Willis on The Jeffersons.
Kudos and an honorary mention goes out to Brad from Round Lake Beach in Illinois. While he wasn't the first to answer correctly, he gave TWO correct answers. Not only did he supply the answer I was looking for he also pointed out that Lucy and Ricky Ricardo from I Love Lucy were also in fact, an interracial couple. I personally hadn't considered it but the dude is right. So while he didn't get sent the letter, he gets a mention in the column, so hopefully everyone's happy.
We're going to experiment a little this week with regards to the contest. While U.S. citizens shall continue to compete to win a hand-written letter from moi', non-U.S. peeps now have something to play for as well. The first non-U.S. individual to write in with the correct answer will be given a chance to come up with an argument for the following week's Fact or Fiction column. HOWEVER, please do not include your proposed argument in the initial email for I require certain parameters to be met, so be looking for my email response that shall get the ball rolling. Anyone that attempts to short-change what I'm trying to do by sending in their proposed argument with their trivia answer shall be summarily disqualified. Why? Because it's my contest and I dislike people that can't follow simple directions.
We'll see how this plays out. If it's a success, we'll make it a permanent feature.
Rules: First person that emails in the correct answer and provides their home address from within the continental U.S. shall receive a hand-written letter from me. Previous winners are ineligible.
Question: What current working actor or actress' father was once the commissioner of Major League Baseball? I require the name of the thespian and the paternal unit as well.
"The poor reception of Hot Fuzz last year doesn't bode well for a movie with Simon Pegg as its star."
Poor reception? The movie has an 89% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
Posted By: Taylor (Guest) on March 28, 2008 at 02:24 AM
I can't speak for Leonard, but I'm pretty sure that he was talking about how it did at the box office rather than how good it was overall.
Posted By: Ben Piper (Registered) on March 28, 2008 at 02:56 AM
And to Coby, who sent in a trivia answer around midnight PST... Please resend your answer. I messed up and accidentally deleted it without reading it. My bad. You were one of the first to write in so if you resend in the next day or so I'll keep your place in line... My bad...
D'OH!!
Posted By: Ben Piper (Registered) on March 28, 2008 at 04:04 AM
David Schwimmer is a new talent where directing is concerned but he is young, innovative and has had years of experience whilst directing friends and learning his trade proficiently. Otherwise Run Fat Boy Run would not have been such a major hit in England. Give credit where it's due buddy. Anything else is just pure jealousy. Mr Schwimmer never boasts, flaunts himself but is just quietly getting on with his work in progress. If you haven't anything positive to say then take heed and shut up.
Posted By: Andicat (Guest) on March 28, 2008 at 09:58 AM
The movie 21 is based on a non-fiction New York Times bestseller (Bringing Down the House) so it should have a built in audience. If you look at it objectively what these 'kids' did was pretty cool.
Posted By: Dane (Guest) on March 28, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Honestly, I didn't even know David Schwimmer was directing Fatboy until you guys mentioned it. All the trailers I see keep mentioning Pegg as "the guy from Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz." and basically nothing else. This movie will succeed or fail based on Pegg.
Fatboy is probably the first movie I've wanted to see in a long time (last film I saw was Juno). Plus, unlike Hot Fuzz, this movie is actually playing somewhere close to me.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on March 28, 2008 at 06:10 PM
I have heard some good buzz for Superhero Movie. Once people got over the fact that it's another "movie" movie, they have actually seemed to like it. For all the crap Epic Movie gets, the "dumb" girl in it did a GREAT job.
Posted By: Capt. Smooth (Guest) on March 28, 2008 at 06:37 PM
David Schwimmer was the least talented and least interesting cast member on THE single most overrated sit com in television history.
i have NO faith in his directing abilities. however, it is only fair to give him a chance simply because he is new to it.
i have been wrong before in my assumptions and i could be now, no matter how much i expect to be right.
As for Superhero Movie...it is greatly exaggerating the involvement by the single Zucker brother. it is written and directed by Cragi Mazin, whose credits include the god awful Scary Movies 3 and 4, the equally awful Senseless and Rocketman.
that's right, the epic Rocketman.
again...could be good, although it doesn't have the glorious pedigree that it has been played up to have in this column.
i will save myself the price of a theatre ticket, and rent it on dvd when it is available...so my guess is i will be seeing this within the next 6 weeks or so.
Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 12:35 AM
The poker craze has died completely?
Well, the biggest event in poker, the WSOP, recorded a record number of entries last June.
That smells like death to me.
Posted By: AdamS (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 01:01 AM
The Doors... are fucking awesome...
Posted By: Jcon (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 01:53 AM
This movie is already available on DVD in Britain, I downloaded it, it was alright, but nowhere near as good as the other Simon Pegg stuff. On that note, Hot Fuzz made $79,791,231 wordwide, on a budget of 8 millions pounds, and was well liked by most critics. That sounds pretty successful to me, do your homework before you make these random claims.
Posted By: Joel Yeomans (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 02:45 AM
Just because you turn 8 mill to 79 mill doesn't mean it was a successful venture. Who Framed Roger Rabbit was made for 70 mill and generated 350 mill but didn't earn the producers and film company squat after dividends were paid out(learned that in college). And as for Prison Break being loved by TV Guide.. Fox owns TV Guide which broadcasts Prison Break. Fox does this to all their shows especially Married With Children, and minor shows such as Duet.
Posted By: Electrichotdog (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 07:33 AM
I like poker but there was significantly fewer entrants in last years WSOP main event than 2006. Probably fewer satellites in 2007.
Posted By: Hey yo (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Cancelling Jericho yet again shows how flawed the Nielson ratings are. Just what I want another reality show or CSI shoved down my throat. The truth of it is Jericho cost CBS more money than a cheaply made reality show. I can not think of another reason? There is still plenty of fan fair out there so I hope it gets picked up by another network. We are talking about another American Civil War about to start!
Posted By: Shane (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 11:00 AM
In the US Hot Fuzz only grossed about $23 million and opened fifth in its debut week. For the year 2007 it ranked 100 in gross, putting it behinds such "hits" as Mr. Woodcock and Nancy Drew.
Posted By: Leonard Hayhurst (Registered) on March 29, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Poker is still popular yes, but I do not believe it is as popular as it was just a few years ago. I was looking for numbers on ratings, but couldn't find exact ones. It does appear that ratings are down and the interest of the casual fan has waned. So to say it has died off totally might have been too strong words on my part, but for producers to think that 21 will do well because people are crazy for card playing is in error.
Posted By: Leonard Hayhurst (Registered) on March 29, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I saw Superhero Movie last night. Give it a B. Better quality than the last few "movie" movies. Only about 60 people were in the crowd, even though it was a 9:30 show. It's a shame people in this country don't give certain movies a chance. Overall, it's a dumb, yet fun movie. Just go when there are more people watching it, because the more people who watch a comedy, the funnier it usually is.
Posted By: Capt. Smooth (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 11:25 AM
I was mail a dvd copy of Run Fat Boy Run from england and it is not a bad movie not great but not bad im looking foward to superhero movie and 21
Posted By: rba (Registered) on March 29, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Why can't you just admit you made a mistake? The film was well received by critics, and your list only takes into account the films US gross. Mr. Woodcock wasn't even released worldwide and Nancy Drew only managed to make an extra 5 mil. Both of those movies also had a budget of over 20 million, so it is unfair to even mention them in the same context. I suppose if you want to make arguments out of context, I can't stop and might as well stop trying.
Posted By: Joel Yeomans (Guest) on March 29, 2008 at 11:26 PM
I gotta agree with Joel on this one. Hot Fuzz was very well received. Mr. Woodcock barely even justified it budget of $23 million while making $30 million worldwide. Hot Fuzz cost $16 million (US) and made $78 million back. That doesn't even include the DVD sales.
Same thing with Nancy Drew. You know, they paid more to make that movie than Hot Fuzz and the budget still doesn't justify the return when compared to Hot Fuzz. Argument silenced.
Posted By: Supro (Guest) on March 30, 2008 at 02:29 AM
No offence, but in regards to Prison Break, don't knock it until you try it. Track down the first 4 episodes and if you don't like it then, then fair enough. I got hooked easily after my friend went on about it constantly to me hehe.
Posted By: Orton's Bitch (Guest) on March 30, 2008 at 04:59 PM