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The Gilroy 08.13.08: The Star Wars Saga
Posted by Ben Quick on 08.13.2008



I'm not a real controversial kind of writer. I never post anything for shock value, and most of the time I pen articles about what I like rather than dislike. So, with the new Star Wars cartoon coming out this week, I thought I might change things up. This column is obviously not about shock value, but rather simply, I'm not a big fan of Star Wars. I've always found the movies nerdy and too child friendly for my tastes. Still, there's no denying that they are among the most popular movies of all time. When you look at the all time domestic gross list the six Star Wars films all rank in the top 35. No other film franchise can even come close to that. So, I decided that this week I would throw out some thoughts on all of the six films. So, as I remind you, I'm not a huge fan or anything. If I make a mistake don't take it out on me.

Just take it out on the comments section...



Episode I: The Phantom Menace


I guess I picked the perfect way to start off. I figured that it would be best to go chronologically, at least as far as the story is concerned. I have to say that the first technical installment of the Star Wars series is the worst one. There are a few good moments with Liam Neeson and Darth Maul. The three-way light saber duel at the end is probably the best fight scene in the entire Star Wars series. Of course, there are the obvious draw backs of Jar Jar Binks and Jake Lloyd, but they're not even what I dislike about this movie the most. When I think about the saga of Star Wars I don't see this movie as being really necessary. The whole idea behind George Lucas going back to do first three installments like he did was to show people how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader. All The Phantom Menace really does is introduce the characters. If you really think about it, Lucas could've basically started with Attack of the Clones and nothing would've been missing. Considering the "second trilogy" was all about character development, wasting an installment doesn't sit very well.



Episode II: Attack of the Clones


This always seems to be everyone's least favorite Star Wars movie. My least favorite is obviously the focus in the paragraph above, but I suppose I can understand why a lot of people dislike this one. Count Dooku was a major letdown after Darth Maul, as I think everyone can agree. I've heard many people say for a long time that killing off Darth Maul was a big mistake. I fully and whole hearted agree with that statement. There was no reason why Darth Maul couldn't have been the apprentice for Palpatine until Anakin became Darth Vader. Take the actual plot line for the three movies, take out Dooku, replace him with Darth Maul and you've got a better series. Most people complain about the acting and dialogue for Attack of the Clones, and I suppose that's not an entirely invalid complaint. George Lucas has always been a much better visual creator than a director of actors. The strength of Attack of the Clones lies in its character development. There are plenty of strong seeds sown for what would lead up to the only Star Wars movie I ever saw in a theater.



Episode III: Revenge of the Sith


Not only did I go see this in the theater, but I went twice. I remember the hype for this film was off the charts. For as much love as The Dark Knight has gotten recently, I thought people were just as hyped to go see this movie. The problem is Revenge of the Sith wasn't near as good as The Dark Knight. This leaves me to explain why I went to see this twice. I remember that I couldn't wait, so I went to the showing my local theater had at ten in the morning. I had already agreed to go with some friends that following Monday, and so I decided to go twice. It's the true test of a movie to see if you can go see it twice in a relatively small time span and not be bored the second time around. The Dark Knight passed that test with flying colors for me, but Revenge of the Sith was not so lucky. Revenge of the Sith kind of sums up the newest batch of Star Wars movies for me. There were some awesome moments, but the awkward acting and flawed storytelling kind of brought down everything else. Oh well, at least the rest of the column is about the "better" installments!



Episode IV: A New Hope


This is the one that started it all, right? Well, this film nerd might give a little credit to Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress(far superior film, by the way), but this film still sits at the #2 spot of all time domestic money makers, behind Titanic. While I don't think A New Hope is the best Star Wars film, there's a charm to this movie that none of the other films had. There wasn't that drive to top the previous film or a story to continue. This was the first movie. Everything that went down in this installment had nothing else to play to. This was the invention of the Star Wars universe. This was the film in which the rules were written. It was a film legend in Alec Guinness playing opposite a bunch of no name actors with a story about intergalactic war. It sounds really cheesy and weird, but it worked.



Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back


I'm going for the full cliché! The Empire Strikes Back is the best of the Star Wars franchise. It's the purest film of the bunch. The last four films(Jedi, Phantom, Clones and Sith) all felt like you were watching something that was less than. The first film was the original, but Empire was the rare find in that the sequel was better than the first. From "I know" to "Luke, I am your father", it's the one Star Wars film that I honestly really enjoy. Not many endings are cooler than when the bad guy wins. Most movies don't have the guts to let the audience go out on a down note. The Empire Strikes Back had those guts. I would still call this an overrated movie. It's not one of the all time greats, but it is the best in a very flawed series.



Episode VI: Return of the Jedi


Return of the Jedi, the least of the best? If you consider "the best" to be the original trilogy, than yes. Return of the Jedi jumped a little too far ahead in the story after Empire and brought too many muppets along for the ride. In The Empire Strikes Back Luke Skywalker is a young apprentice and then in the very next film he's basically a Jedi Master? It might have been a little nice to see some progression there, but what the hell. I've always felt the Star Wars series was kind of like Back to the Future. In Back to the Future you had the original film that was awesome because it was the start. The second followed and it was better, not to mention darker. Finally, in the third film it started to feel like the series was starting to trail off and it was time to end it. Return of the Jedi lies very much with Back to the Future III. The originality was gone and it just felt like another Star Wars movie, rather than an interesting popcorn flick ala the first two.

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Looking back on the Star Wars series the one thing that jumps out to me the most is just how flawed all of the films are. For these being some of the most popular films ever made, the storylines are jumbled, the acting is often overly flat and many sections of the films are just plain bad. That goes for all six of the films. Many people criticize the new trilogy for being bad, but I say that the quality didn't fall that far from the original three.


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This whole thing made me realize how much I love Spaceballs.

Spaceballs > Star Wars


Posted By: TruthBeTold (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 12:37 AM

 
 
I agree- Phantom Menace is the worst in the series and Clones does have some good character development...

I also agree that Jedi is the weak link in the original trilogy.

To talk about such revered pieces of pop culture as if they're just your typical, everyday movies shows a lot of guts... but I personally don't think you're giving these movies (the OT in particular) the credit they deserve... that's just a difference of opinion, though- then again I'm also a huge fan of the series...


Posted By: Jordan Bruns (Registered)  on August 13, 2008 at 01:15 AM

 
 
Well, I wouldn't talk exactly like that about this series, but the fact is this is still one of the most overrated film series of all time. The first three had flaws, but they were the first movies of such epic technical proportions and story. That's why they got their massive fan base, even though they aren't perfect. There were too many cheesy/kiddie elements in it for me to consider it a serious movie, like that silly pair of robots & the little plush bear creatures.
Overall, I think the first series is really fun(the second movie is a classic), and Dart Vader is one of the best characters of all-time, and the second series had brilliant special effects, but not much more.


Posted By: Nastee (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 02:05 AM

 
 
Glad I'm not alone...

Posted By: christiansbale (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 03:37 AM

 
 
In ROTJ, Luke didn't became a master, he introduced himself as a Jedi Knight. Watch the scene where he introduces himself to Jabba the Hutt. His training with Yoda essentially ended when he left Dagobah in ESB. After defeating a Vader, a sith lord, by the end of ROTJ, only then he becomes a master.

Posted By: Ricky J (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 04:25 AM

 
 
It's cool if people don't like them(different strokes), but when you go see a movie and all of them in a series(yes, even the prequels) wind up getting HUGE ovations after they're over, then that's usually a sign of quality.

Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 05:44 AM

 
 
Wow, complaining about Star Wars how 1999. The reality is that these movies are still loved by almost three generations of fans and still keeps moving while everything from Star Trek to the Matrix is either dead or has to be revamped should tell you something.

Posted By: AFan (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 06:55 AM

 
 
Here's a nerd statement for you...

"Luke, I am your father" is not quoted in any movie. Look it up.


Posted By: pic369 (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 08:35 AM

 
 
my only criticism for a new hope is the pacing of the story. it seems to go slowly at the start. but once they leave tattooine it seems to pace alot better.

Posted By: Dean (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 10:12 AM

 
 
I agree that it takes a thick skin and maybe a flack jacket to criticize a franchise who has such passionate fans. I definetly agree with the points you made in this article, however, due to the innovations, the light-hearted story telling and the critical acclaim these movies have made over the years, I still have alot of respect for both trilogies....however, less and less for George "Indiana Jones 9, Secret of the Ooze" Lucas.

Posted By: Kevin (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM

 
 
"The reality is that these movies are still loved by almost three generations of fans and still keeps moving while everything from Star Trek to the Matrix is either dead or has to be revamped should tell you something."

Yeah, it tells just how hard George Lucas can milk his cash cow series. I always find it funny when people complain about the prequels being junk, because its not like the original trilogy are these masterpieces either. All the movies have some flat acting, awkward scenes, and just plain stupidness, but hey...its Star Wars man. The trilogy is one of the most rewatchable series this side of Indiana Jones. None of the films go on my favorite lists, but I still love the series, no matter how much Lucas beats this dead horse(and no I aint seeing Clone Wars).


Posted By: Jeremy (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 11:32 AM

 
 
Lucas should have began the prequel trilogy with "AOTC" and kept Darth Maul through all 3 prequels.

Posted By: Richard Petty (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM

 
 
The real quote is... "No, I am your father..." then with (kikehhh respirator sound).

Posted By: LRM (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 11:47 AM

 
 
Star Wars = Flawed.

Star Wars = Best Sci-Fi Series Ever.

Star Wars = Have to be a true fan for everything to make sense. Casual fans usually don't get it.

Star Wars = Fun movies that everyone will enjoy, even if they don't get **** from the critics.


Posted By: Ron (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 11:48 AM

 
 
"When you look at the all time domestic gross list the six Star Wars films all rank in the top 35. No other film franchise can even come close to that."

Er, Shrek (all three inside the top 40)? Pirates of the Caribbean (all three inside the top 30)? Lord of the Rings (all three inside the top 25)? Spiderman (all three inside the top 20)?


Posted By: Owain J. Brimfield (Registered)  on August 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM

 
 
"...when you go see a movie and all of them in a series(yes, even the prequels) wind up getting HUGE ovations after they're over, then that's usually a sign of quality."

Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest)

So because something's popular it must be good? ;)


Posted By: Owain J. Brimfield (Registered)  on August 13, 2008 at 12:04 PM

 
 
Actually, you're right and wrong. "Luke, I am your father" is a quote from Chris Farley's lovable romp 'Tommy Boy'.

In ESB, it is "NO, I am your Father".


Posted By: HA ZAH (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM

 
 
I am and will be a huge fan of Star Wars but, isn't this column just beating a dead horse. Most films will have there flaws but as most of us know this series trancends these flaws. I am not sure who on this site was actually in a theater for the first Star Wars film (ep. 4) but it was obviously a revolutionary moment in film history. Most of the movies we see and love now have been influenced by Star Wars.

I have nothing but love for the original 3. Empire to me is one of my favorite movies of all time. Strangley Star Wars has grown on me to be near equal of Empire. ROTJ was the first Star Wars movie I ever saw and I have fallen in and out and back in love with that movie. I think the PM is completly underrated. There are some fantastic moments in that movie. I agree with the writer about Darth Maul. I actually never did consider what it would have been like if he did not die. AoTC is my least favorite of the 6. it never felt like a Star Wars movie and I lost faith in the whole series. RoTS brought me back and restored my faith but that movie has not aged well.

Given my love of the series, I do find it impossible to want to go see the new cartoon that will be playing on many screens this Friday. When Lucas decides to move on from the Skywalker saga and create the next story in the series (is there any doubt 10 years from now there will be a new Star Wars saga) I will be there.


Posted By: Big Dirty (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM

 
 
Honestly, I think Lucas really screwed up with the prequels, mainly because he had the ending, and had to make a beginning, so there was no surprise, as we all knew how they would end, so it was one of those "Are we there yet?" trips more than a "This is awesome!" and it also didn't help that young Hayden can't act himself out of a wet paper bag in the prequels...

Honestly, if i had to look at the Star Wars Trilogy(ies) and put them against something else, say Lord of the Rings, I'd have to go with Lord of the Rings hands down. The fact that both of the Star Wars Trilogies were filmed at separate times, hurt their flow I think, and Lucas tried to hard to give them a time lapse that in the end didn't work, and made little sense.


Posted By: Travis (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM

 
 
It would be nice if the criticism was a little more specific film by film. Which actors or moments didn't do well? I'm a fairly diehard fan and thought Episode I was boring. Ep. 2 was action packed and good but over-reliant on special effects. Revenge of the Sith was a film worthy of the franchise. A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back were awesome. Return of the Jedi, well, it's a good thing I was seven the first time I saw it. Those dumb Ewoks nearly ruined it. They didn't, though.

I can handle criticism of that which I love. Spaceballs is my all time favorite comedy. But if these films are so flawed, overrated, and bad in parts, what is better? Whether a trilogy or a single film, how about a counter example of cinematic brilliance. Just one requirement: no black and white films. Just as I can easily defend Star Wars out of nostalgia, the films of our grandparents' time get put up on a pedestal.


Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 01:24 PM

 
 
The biggest problem with Dooku is NOT Christopher Lee so much as the fact that he was playing the *SAME DAMN CHARACTER* in the Lord of the Rings which was right around the same time frame. Awful choice.

Posted By: M:-X (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 02:40 PM

 
 
I'm a big Star Wars fan and I can honestly say I agree with everything in the article. I know I know blasphemy! Looking back TPM was the weakest and AOTC actually wasn't too bad. I agree with ROTJ, after Empire they could have done so much with the last movie but made it wayy too kid friendly.

Posted By: JM (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 04:17 PM

 
 
damn man your are outta the loop. last time someone did a column about the cons of star wars I was riding my dinosaur to work

Posted By: Adrian (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 04:55 PM

 
 
I feel that Revenge of the Sith is the worst movie of the bunch, because it delivered the least. I nearly fell asleep during the first half and sat around waiting most of the movie for something to actually happen. At least Phantom Menace was an introduction for an introductory movie and Clones had build-up for a build-up movie, Revenge of the Sith was like 70% expanded universe/Clone Wars cartoon stuff that I didn't care about and 30% actual payoff, new music instead of the rich old music, and barely any scenes that mirrored the future when there could've been a number of them.

Posted By: Heel Heat (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 05:03 PM

 
 
Owain, being popular does not mean that it's good, but being popular for as long as it has been is a pretty good sign. The whole thing is subjective. What one person might love, another might loathe. I stand behind my statement about applause. It's kind of like if most of the people at the office think you are a jerk(not you personally), then you're probably a jerk. All I know is that when a GREAT majority of the people who saw the movies like them, I'll take their word for it, but if I see the movies and don't like them, I'm not going to say that they're stupid for doing so.

Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 05:44 PM

 
 
We need another Star Wars series about I, Exar Kun!

Posted By: Exar Kun (Registered)  on August 13, 2008 at 07:06 PM

 
 
Nice try, Ben Quick, but I clicked on this article thinking it'd say something new. But you don't say anything that so many other critical voices have said about this series.

I just want to sit down and sigh and say, "YES, the prequels were a huge let down." I feel the burn, man. It's been years since the prequels, but the feeling doesn't go away. Well, I've learned my lesson. No more. This animated jibber-jabber coming out with a Star Wars name won't be seen by these eyes. No more Star Wars for me. That part of my childhood can stay buried.

The whole thing's been done and overdone to the point that it seems nobody can even say anythingn original about it.


Posted By: Guest#8974 (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 08:22 PM

 
 
Now, i don't necessarily agree with everything, but the things you call out are pretty much right.

ROTJ is easily worse than TPM, but i am one of the few to see it that way, and that's cool.

now, if you could only make the case that the LOTR trilogy is the single most bloated, overrated movie series in history, amounting to nothing more than cinematic masturbation with (ILM created) sfx that would be great, but again...i am one of the few who see it that way.


Posted By: Peter Jackson Deserves AIDS (Guest)  on August 13, 2008 at 08:46 PM

 
 
Only someone that grew up with EVERYTHING that Star Wars BROUGHT to pop culture and filmmaking could ever dismiss how great the ENTIRE SERIES is, flaws or no. I sat as an 8-year old boy in the theater when the Star Destroyer chased the Rebel Blockade Runner across the screen in complete AWE. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER DONE BEFORE!!!!

You guys have had almost 30 years of advances to go through, you can research to see what films were like before it, but youll never KNOW the frustration of knowing what it is you wanted to see but NONE had the vision to bring it to life.....until George Lucas and company. YES the films have flaws, even LUCAS admits that, but warts and all Star Wars changed EVERYTHING. Without it, we couldnt have LOTR or any other films like it. Without it, the world would be a FAR FAR more BORING place. Check with ANY filmmaker, comic writer/artist or game developer...they might not be FANS but ALL of them gained their inspiration in one way or another from Star Wars.


Show a little respect will ya?


Posted By: CM Wolf (Guest)  on August 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM

 


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