UPDATED: Batman vs. Superman Writer Gets Sexist in Comments About She-Hulk
Posted by Jeremy Thomas on 05.22.2014
Stan Lee responds...
UPDATE: Stan Lee has responded to David Goyer's comments about She-Hulk being created as the sexual male power fantasy and a "great green porn star." Lee was asked for comment by the Washington Post and replied, "Only a nut would think that."
Lee told the site that when he co-created She-Hulk, he was specifically looking for an intelligent version of the Hulk persona, noting, "I know I was looking for a new female superhero, and the idea of an intelligent Hulk-type grabbed me." As fot her phyiscal attributes he notes that it's no different than almost every other, saying, "As for her looking beautiful and curvy. show me the superheroine who isn't."
Of course, there have been some throughout the years who have not been, but the incredibly vast majority have capitalized on that look. And finally in regard to Goyer's comment that read, "So it's like if I'm going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let's create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could f**k," Lee said that Walters was not created in any way to be a love interest for the character, adding, "Only a nut would even think of that."
ORIGINAL: David Goyer isn't instilling confidence in people who are concerned about how Wonder Woman will be treated in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Goyer, who wrote co-wrore the upcoming DC Comics film, has earned the ire of Marvel fans, as well as those of superheroins in general, by going off on a rather ignorant rant about the Marvel character of She-Hulk, calling her a "giant green porn star" by the end of it.
Goyer, who has been involved in several DC and Marvel projects over the years, appeared on the Scriptnotes podcast and talked about She-Hulk among other things. Both Goyer and host Craig Mazin went over the top, with Mazin calling She-Hulk "Slut-Hulk" and Goyer calling her the "extension of the male power fantasy" and denigrating comic book readers AND writers in the process. You can check out their comments below:
Mazin: "The real name for She-Hulk was Slut-Hulk. That was the whole point. Let's just make this green chick with enormous boobs. And she's Hulk strong but not Hulk massive, right? … She's real lean, stringy…"
Goyer: "She's still pretty chunky. She was like Chyna from the WWE."
Mazin: "The whole point of She-Hulk was just to appeal sexistly to ten-year-old boys. Worked on me."
Goyer: "I have a theory about She-Hulk. Which was created by a man, right? And at the time in particular I think 95% of comic book readers were men and certainly almost all of the comic book writers were men. So the Hulk was this classic male power fantasy. It's like, most of the people reading comic books were these people like me who were just these little kids getting the s**t kicked out of them every day… And so then they created She-Hulk, right? Who was still smart… I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could f**k if you were Hulk, you know what I'm saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it's like if I'm going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let's create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could f**k."
Goyer at one point also took a shot at comic book fans in general when he asked, "How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?...How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?"
She-Hulk (aka Jennifer Walters) was created in 1980 by Stan Lee and John Romita. She is Bruce Banner's cousin, who gains her powers when Bruce gives her a blood tranfusion and accidentally irradiates her. Goyer's comments are particularly ignorant when you consider how wrong he is in a factual sense: She-Hulk's creation was a business matter, not a creative one. She was specifically created because the Incredible Hulk TV series was a hit and Marvel wanted to ensure they retained the rights to the name in case a similar character showed up on the series (they didn't have a deal that would have allowed that).
Over the years she has been a distinctly strong character who has stood on her own and works as a lawyer when she's not doing superhero business. She is widely considered to be one of Marvel's strongest female characters (not just physically) and is very intelligent, serving as a member of multiple superhero teams and leading a few of them at times. She is no more or less sexualized than any other female comic book character.
Goyer's comments have drawn quite a bit of criticism online, as expected. He has not as yet commented on them.