Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy Review [2]
Posted by Michael Adler on 11.25.2008
It's been a long time coming...
Chinese Democracy fun facts:
-It took 14 years to produce.
-During its production, Axl fired everyone in the band, and rejected their contributions.
-Upon being discreetly escorted out of the back of the recording studio, Slash, Duff, and Matt happened upon Scott Weiland sleeping in the studio’s dumpster. This would be the beginning of Velvet Revolver and Contraband would go on to consist of the rejected material from the early Chinese Democracy sessions. Their second album, Liberdad would feature B sides and rejected material from Matt Sorum’s brief tenure with the Spin Doctors in 1993.
-Chinese Democracy cost more than 10 million dollars to make. Due to budgetary constrains, Axl could no longer afford conditioner, thus leading to his now-famous dreadlock hair style.
-Because of the complexity, time frame, and sheer number of musicians involved, Chinese Democracy is the first album to be recorded exclusively in front of green screen. No single musician every interacted with another musician, nor did any single musician at any time interact with their instruments; they were digitally added in post-production.
-75% of the cost of the album went to resurrecting Martin Luther King Jr. to recreate parts of his “I Have a Dream Speech” for “Madagascar” While he easily could have also been green-screened in, Axl wanted to go for the authenticity of actually having him there.
Track Listing:
1. Chinese Democracy
2. Shackler's Revenge
3. Better
4. Street Of Dreams
5. If The World
6. There Was A Time
7. Catcher N' The Rye
8. Scraped
9. Riad N' The Bedouins
10. Sorry
11. I.R.S.
12. Madagascar
13. This I Love
14. Prostitute
On to the serious business of this review. I think everyone knows the legacy behind this album, so I’ll just open by saying: Holy crap, I actually held in my hands, today, Chinese Democracy. I inserted it into my Mac, imported it into iTunes, and listened to the whole album. Legally. I never thought the day would come.
And against all odds, it’s a spectacular album, worthy of many listenings. I expected overproduced drivel, and thankfully did not get that. The opening two tracks gave me a scare, as “Chinese Democracy” is a bit too slick, and rips off the opening riff of Bevery Hills 90210 for some reason, but it’s still a great opener. “Shackler’s Revenge” on the other hand is terribly generic and should’ve have been scrapped. It’s just a mess.
Regardless, any fears I had that Axl’s trademark screech was being whitewashed were put to rest with “Better”, one of the original tracks leaked a few years back. Axl is front and center, wailing away on a song about love gone wrong. I loved it when I first heard it and I still love it now. It’s perhaps a bit bittersweet though, as I came to realize, Axl’s matured a bit. I thought back to Appetite for Destruction, and remembered the days when he just wanted to bend a girl over a table. Now it seems like he’s the one getting bent over a table on “Better”.
The album just keeps getting better though, “Street of Dreams” won’t knock your socks off, but it’s a great power ballad. “If the World” and “There was a Time” make a great pair. Either could easily be a “James Bond” theme song, and while certainly not Guns N’ Rosesish, they’re still enjoyable. “If the World” in particular has a funky and expansive sound not heard too often in a lot of rock music.
I’m still not entirely sure what “Riad N’ The Bedouins” is. Either an Iraq War analogy, or just Axl’s day dreams of what life in the Middle East is like everyday, but it’s amazing nonetheless, and a standout. “Scraped” starts out sounding like something off of a Beyonce album, but quickly picks up speed, bringing back some of the swagger and don’t-give-a-shit-attitude lost with some of the love songs on the album.
Other standouts include “I.R.S.”, another early leaked song. It’s a mix of straight-forward rock, with some great bluesy interludes, as Axl threatens to bring the world down on those responsible for his broken heart. “Madagascar” is a slow burn that features sampled bits of Martin Luther King Jr. that only add to the intensity. “This I Love” might make it into the top ten songs of all time. It’s another piano driven ballad, quiet, and slow, but incredibly powerful. It shows Axl’s voice has lost nothing, and features an awesome guitar solo from Robin Finck. Buckethead should also get special mention for his awesome work on the album; one of an army of musicians brought in.
What did I hate? “Catcher in the Rye” was unnecessary. I hated the book, and I hate the song. It’s bland. “Sorry” is also unnecessary, and Axl should be sorry for including the song Finally, “Prostitute” is an absurd way to end the album. I can’t give it an honest evaluation, because “This I Love “ left me so drained emotionally. I don’t know why that didn’t get used as the final track. Other than that this is quite the album. Sure it lacks some of the old swagger, but Axl’s older. You may have noticed I’ve mentioned Axl’s name more than the Guns N’ Roses name-it feels more like an Axl solo project than anything G N’ R have done, and with the band more or less gone, I think it would’ve suited him more to have released it under his name. The album also suffers from the same affliction as U2’sPop. It has awesome songs that sometimes get buried under overproduction and electronica. Regardless, the key is that they are awesome songs, and other than a few stinkers, which despite a decade and a half, still squeaked through, make this a listening experience that justifies the 14 year wait.
The 411: 14 years in the making, and we have quite an album. It's a visceral tour d' force complete with power ballads, some blues, and of course plenty of rock. Recoup some of your losses of waiting for 14 years and buy this album.
Slash wrote in his book that he quit GNR because he was dealing with his heroin addiction. Seems he thinks being in a mediocre rock band with other junkies is more important than being in GNR.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on November 24, 2008 at 11:34 PM
This I Love........this article that is.
Great intro and honest and fair on the serious stuff too.
I really am glad to see so many people raving about "This I Love." That made the album for me. I was so afraid that I had already heard all the good tracks from the leaks over the years. I am pleased with the album.......now he needs to hurry up and get the next one rolling:)
Posted By: W Myers (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Yeah...This I love was a shock to the system when I heard it. It's like the whole album builds to that moment without you knowing it's coming. What a frigging song... Absolutely heartbreaking. And perfect.
Posted By: Guest#8259 (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Wow, I'm so glad so many people are liking "This I Love" A local radio station played the whole album on Sunday right before it came out, and I was completely blown away!
Posted By: MightyD (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 01:35 AM
"75% of the cost of the album went to resurrecting Martin Luther King Jr. to recreate parts of his “I Have a Dream Speech” for “Madagascar” While he easily could have also been green-screened in, Axl wanted to go for the authenticity of actually having him there."
That's a good one.
Good album. 14 years...God damn
Posted By: Colin (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 02:01 AM
Catcher in the Rye wasn't bad for the first 3-4 min, but then it overstays its welcome by almost a good two minutes. So far, that's the only song I skip regularly. Quite like Sorry and Prostitute, and love Better.
Posted By: Soy (Registered) on November 25, 2008 at 02:06 AM
I heard the song Chinese Democracy a while back and thought it was nothing like the old GNR and it was quite weird. But it grew on me, I'm a true fan and I still support GNR. Velvet Revolver are just as good in some aspects. I hope that this Guns N' Roses do as good as the old one. Although, if I say so myself, the old line up was a whole lot better than this one. Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt were all great and amazing additions to the GNR we all knew, but even great legends change. I like the new album, despite people rating it 2 stars. 5 Stars in my books :]
Posted By: S Bird (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 06:31 AM
This is an odd album to review, but I agree 100% with the analogy to "Pop". Like U2 on that album, Axl didn't really have enough hooks to work with, so he overcompensated with lavish production and overstuffed songs.
Brian Eno told Coldplay while recording Viva La Vida that a longer song isn't neccessarily a better song. Axl could've used that advice.
On the other hand, I give Axl credit for trying to create something epic. Most (if not all) bands today are afraid to extend themselves and reach for greatness, instead content with using the same old tricks to make the same album over and over.
"This I Love" is a fantastic song. In an era of pop maestro's writing the songs instead of the artists, it's one of the few times I can actually hear the heartbreak that is conveyed in the words. Fantastic job, Axl.
Chuck Klosterman did a a great review on the onion. Check it out if you get a sec.
Posted By: Marc (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 09:10 AM
Am I the only one that loved Shackler's Revenge?
Posted By: willy (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 04:07 PM
I hated Shackler's Revenge at first, but it's grown on me after a few listens.
Posted By: REM (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 08:35 PM
I downloaded the whole album about 8 months ago and it sucks.
Posted By: RedVexx (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Paul McCartney put out the best album of the week. He actually used layered his album in a way that it makes the songs better. Axl should've gotten some advice from a pro. This album is lame, and it's not true to what Axl started Guns N Roses for which was to destroy all overproduced and stale music. there is nothing fresh, nothing artistic, and nothing rocking about this album. it's pure and simple decent radio rock...maybe, radio-industrial (the guitars and everything are far enough back and computer processed that it has a clean sound for radio). still the fact of the matter is, it's radio rock. it was made for people who know nothing about music except what they hear on the radio, mtv, mtv2 rolling stone, or spin magazine. it's lame. find real music.
Posted By: Guest#6897 (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 11:29 PM
"I expected overproduced drivel, and thankfully did not get that."
"It has awesome songs that sometimes get buried under overproduction and electronica."
This review was written by a complete fucktard.
Axl claimed in 2005 (i believe) he had over 80 songs written for this album, and these were the best 14? what did the rest of the shit sound like...my god, they must be ridiculously awful.
Posted By: hahahaha (Guest) on November 25, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Oh I think its got at least 7-8 strong tracks and thats what matters for an album today. Its got lavish production and if Axl didn't go EPIC as he tries , many would claim "He wasted 14 years on a regular sounding album ?"
"Catcher in the Rye" , "There Was A Time" and "This I Love are great songs. Just awesome great songs. Axl did his job well while he was gone.
And finally a review where someone didn't compare the album to all the previous albums of G'n'R. You get my props. You honestly viewed the album as new material.
Plus you didn't run the Dr.Pepper joke into the damn ground. Thank god.
Posted By: The Dude (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 12:24 AM
It was overproduced, but not overproduced drivel. There's a difference.
Posted By: tristanm (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 10:57 AM
The reviewer dismissed 'Sorry'?! What an idiot. Go back to lovin' your Linkin Park.
Posted By: Mr. Jason (Guest) on November 26, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Duff and Slash quit the band and were not fired, read slash's book!
Posted By: Duster99 (Guest) on November 27, 2008 at 05:28 PM
The Rejected material that Slash wrote for Chinese Democracy was Put on an album called It's Five O'clock Some Where in a band called Slash's Snakepit. The album was released in 1995 just one year before Slash quit Guns N' Roses and since he (Slash) was using Gilbey Clark and Matt Sorrum it really pissed off Axl. And Matt and Duff left later, they weren't kicked out.
Posted By: guest217 (Guest) on November 28, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Caveats -
I was a huge Gunners fan back in the day. Appetite was / is my fave hard rock record. However those days are gone and much as I loved the original 5 I am glad everyone has moved on.
Though mellowing as I head towards middle age I have at times been a borderline Axl-hater. I mean he positively begs to be detested at times.
I have trouble with this being called a Guns and Roses album. It really should be called 'Chinese Democracy' by '$!@! n' roses'
Review -
So given my state of mind when I first listened to Chinese Democracy I was very, very pleasantly surprised. It is a huge, epically proportioned beast of an album.
'Scraped' is the only song I really dislike all the way through. 'Catcher in the Rye' and 'Riad n' the bedoins' are pretty ordinary on the whole too. The former has a pleasant hook but dodgy lyrics and the latter is a bit hard on the ears. But both have likeable parts. As for the rest they are all good, some great. Thats 11/14 tracks which is WAY more than your average album. The best songs IMO: Better, IRS, If the world, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, Sorry and This I love.
So on the whole a great album - 8.5/10. It sits just below Appetite in my affections and towers above the Use your Illusion albums, which to my ear sound way more 'overproduced'.
Peeve -
Almost every review just has to mention that it took anywhere from 13 to 17 years to make. While the making of the record is interesting in its own right, this is misleading as the bulk of the album was ready to go as early as 2001. In addition to this I have read qutoes from Sebastian Bach, Richard Fortus and Axl himself that attest to their being multiple albums in the offing. Axl said in 2006 that there were 30 odd songs in the mix with 26 almost done (that means over 80% of another album pretty much done as far back as 2.5 years ago). Sebastian Bach has alluded to their being enough recorded material for at least 3 albums (the next one's being scheduled for release in 2010 and 2012). Finally Richard Fortus mentions that when he was brought in (a couple of years back?) that material for the 'first record' was 'already written'. In the context of the interview you can extrapolate from what he says that there is at least one more record done that he had a hand in writing. Anyway to say 17 years was spent on the recording of Chinese Democracy alone is incorrect and unnecessarily heightens expectations that, of course, can never be met. It is likely that work was only really begun in '96 and in the intervening 12 years 3 albums have been made. I can only hope the next 2 are on par with this one.
Posted By: Nikko (Guest) on December 02, 2008 at 08:07 AM
yo this is rated 3 out 10 NASTY PIECE OF SH*T ALBUM COLDPLAY IS BETTER
Posted By: J.Santi (Guest) on January 01, 2009 at 11:16 PM
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