411 Music Fact Or Fiction 11.26.09: Eminem, Michael Jackson, Britney/Amy, Busta, Miley, Adam Lambert!
Posted by Ben Czajkowski on 11.26.2009
Who would you rather lick gravy off of: Bald Britney Spears or Boob-Enhanced Amy Winehouse? Is Eminem delaying his new album a good thing? Are you thankful for Michael Jackson's contribution to music? Or the Adam Lambert kiss on the AMAs? 411's Ben Czajkowski and Mitch Michaels debate these topics and more in the latest edition of 411 Music Fact or Fiction!
Welcome to 411Music Fact or Fiction! Another awesome day in the 411Mania Towers. I'm your host, Ben Czajkowksi.
I am joined by the esteemed Mitch Michaels. Again. He and I are debating this week's question set. Again. Whooooo! It's a good one, too, folks.
Eh, what's a small delay until 2010 for someone who JUST put out his first album in a few years? Yeah, Relapse had some decent tracks, but some of them were just awful. And the accent that he's using to rap? I hope he loses that fast. From what I hear, Relapse 2 didn't involve any Dre beats. So, if he's back in there, using some Dre stuff, sure, I'm okay with the delay. Plus, maybe this will open the door for Dre to get some of his own shit onto the market. Then they could tour together! That would be a dream come true...So, bottom line: he's making it better. I mean, just listen to how awful the included track is.
Mitch Michaels: FICTION.
I think Eminem just spoke too soon thinking he'd have a new album to release, especially considering that DJ Hero comp is being promoted now too. I think Em is definitely in the lab retooling here and there, but I think that the delay was simply a matter of promising something you couldn't deliver. On the plus side, it gave a logical reason to reissue an album that JUST CAME OUT and have people buy it again.
Yeah, Busta Rhymes isn't fixing shit. If anything, he's a heart complication on top of the cancer more than he is the cure. It's good that he has a positive spin to it, but let's face it, it probably isn't going to do well. Can't say I'm sorry about it. The only thing that is going to fix the music industry is a government bailout.
Mitch Michaels: FACT .
I'm not a Busta hater, but the fact is that the guy is far on the other side of his sell-by date. Back On My B.S. barely made a blip and has yet to sell half as many copies as the commercially relevant rap stars do in their first week. Busta is just using a hot button issue - the change in music sales - to promote his own album, the same way Nas moved copies of Hip-Hop Is Dead without actually doing anything to fix it with his album. The Chemo will be nothing more than a catchy title of an album that failed to perform. Look for Busta's next joint - Hospice - to drop in 2011.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with fiction on this one, too. If she had been on there, and she had died or would have been hurt, the media would have fucking run with it for weeks and months to come. Then there would be Disney specials, movies, tributes, legal battles… Wait, this is starting to sound really familiar. Like I've lived through it before and didn't particularly enjoy it the first time.
Mitch Michaels: FICTION.
And never grow up into the fine, legal, mess of a piece of ass we know she'll turn out to be? Wait till we finally see her naked before you put a death wish on her, Ben!
Score Card: 2 for 3
Round 4
Question: You're thankful for the music and genius that Michael Jackson imparted on us before his death.
Mitch Michaels: FICTION.
Fuck it, guy's been dead since June. On the day after, I did the obligatory download of The Essential Michael Jackson. I listened for a little bit thinking, yeah, he really was a pop genius. Then "Ben" creeped me out. Then "Bad" just started to make me laugh. Then I remembered why I didn't dig that dated sounding shit to begin with. Michael Jackson was a great dancer, great entertainer. But others have done it since and they'll keep doing it in the future. Thriller was an amazing album, but there will be others made. And those guys might not even be pedos.
Ben Czajkowski: FACT .
Wow, I feel like I touched a nerve there on Mitch. Or maybe he's just tired of posting news about MJ. Regardless, Michael Jackson is the premier entertainer of a LIFETIME! He's the Beatles of this generation, taken from us too soon. His ability to out-perform, out-create, and out-master any other pop-wanna be has proven that. Michael Jackson is proof that you don't have to look like Justin Timberfuck to sell records; there is such thing as talent.
Score Card: 2 for 4
Round 5
Question: You are thankful for that Adam Lambert kiss at the AMAs. Eat your heart out, Madonna and Britney. (Read 1)(Read 2)
Mitch Michaels: FICTION.
Fuck that - like any hetero guy who's telling the truth, it made me wanna puke. But whatever. My favorite part is how Lambert is completely refusing to understand why you can't simulate a blowjob on network television - gay or otherwise. Think about it - Brit and Madonna gave us a lame kiss. Brit danced with a snake. What rocker has gotten their dick sucked??? Fucking nobody. Sure, we've got the air humping dance moves, the barely there outfits, but Americans have always drawn the line at oral - that's for late night Cinemax and the internet when the wife's in bed, thank you very much. Adam Lambert can eat shit and die. He'll just sell a bajillion copies of his album along the way.
Ben Czajkowski: FACT.
Wow, it looks like my counterpart is a repressed homo and a flaming asshole for that response. It's okay for two girls to kiss (woooo) but when two guys do it, holy shit; it's the end of the fucking world. You know, shit happens, and this is just fodder for what has been a really sultry record release season, since September. Sometimes, stunts happen, planned or not. If you're appalled by two dudes kissing, then you need to really reflect on why something like that bothers you. And don't say, "because the Bible says so!" The Bible also says you shouldn't eat certain types of food you love and not to cut your hair. YOU CAN'T BE SELECTIVE ON WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO PREACH!
Score Card: 2 for 5
Round 6
Question: You would rather lick Thanksgiving gravy off crazy, bald Britney's head than off of Amy Winehouse's awesome new rack.
Mitch Michaels: FICTION.
I am just sitting here amazed that this question is essentially "which would you rather lick gravy off of". Bald Britney kind of creeped me out - I need some hair to pull after all. Amy is nasty, but if those nice big new boobs were covered in gravy, I'd be all in - who cares if the last little bit would taste a little like crack and her ex-husband's very recent jizz? The real question is whose ass I'd rather eat mashed potatoes off of - Shakira or Beyonce?
Ben Czajkowski: FACT .
I'm going to have to go with Britney on this one. A bald woman is definitely less appalling than anything about Amy Winehouse. Maybe because I have that diaper image of her stuck in my head. Or the image of Eminem making out with her in one of his videos. Regardless, at least Britney is hot, bald or not. She might be a little skanky, but her head runs less of a risk of giving me an STD as I'm licking that hot gravy...
Score Card: 2 for 6
Anything you agree with? Disagree with? Sound off in the comment section.
my prediction: adam lamberts album will flop worse than the titties of an 90 yr old chick. good thing about idol runner-ups they all eventually disappear.
Posted By: Guest#1204 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:11 AM
I would totally let Adam Lambert do whatever he wanted to with me
Posted By: Puff (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:00 AM
Two guys kissing is gross to a heterosexual male is gross.
Its like this. Jessica Alba and Jessica Biel kissing. That would be really hot because they're two incredibly attractive people engaging in a sexually suggestive act. Awesome.
Now lets say its Shakira and Justin Timberlake. Shakira is very attractive and seeing her involved in a sexually suggestive act is still hot. Of course I have no real desire to see Justin Timberlake making out with anyone so this is about half as hot as Jessica Alba and Jessica Biel.
Now how about Adam Lambert and whoever he kissed. I am not sexually attracted to either of them so this is rather unappealing.
Now lets say Rosie O Donell is kissing Barbara Walters. Again these are two people I am not attracted too at all. This would be about as unappealing as Adam Lambert kissing a male. (Maybe a little less because if I'm slightly more sexually attracted to Rosie O Donell than Adam Lamberg).
So you see its not a matter of hetero vs homo. Its a matter of people we find attractive making out vs people we don't find attractive making out.
Posted By: Justin (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:17 AM
Amy Winehouse for sure.
Posted By: Guest#9516 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:37 AM
God people need to chill the fuck out about the whole Adam Lambert kiss. He's gay, it shouldn't really be seen as all that surprising, and really it's not as disgusting as people make it out to be.
Then again, after watching all of Torchwood I might have gotten use to it. At the very least I am sure enough in my sexuality to not be bothered if men kiss women, women kiss women, and men kiss men. Not a big deal.
Posted By: Mechalon (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:45 AM
Sorry, but this may be one of the best response's to a point in 411 FOF history:
"Wow, it looks like my counterpart is a repressed homo and a flaming asshole for that response." - Sir Ben
Posted By: Empire411 (Registered) on November 26, 2009 at 02:35 AM
That's funny. I want to lick gravy off Amy Winehouse's chest precisely because I have that image of her in a diaper in my head.
Posted By: Rageforthemachine (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 03:19 AM
The last question should be permanent every time there's someone new answering the questions..
Posted By: saerbarnet (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 03:26 AM
Ben Czajkowski!
You have a new fan!
Posted By: Itzjustme (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 03:46 AM
Lol the whole world is still one big homophobic frat brother. How sad.
Posted By: Logos (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 04:51 AM
I will now forever praise Adam for being that awesome of a dude. He takes big risk to get out there, good or bad he is still known. Team Adam.
Posted By: ~k~ (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 06:19 AM
" It's a shame Miley Cyrus wasn't in that tragic bus accident, dead or otherwise."
What kind of fucked up question is that? Wishing death on a singer because you don't like her work? Whoever came up with that question is human garbage.
Posted By: Guy (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 08:04 AM
I'm confused... was it just a gay kiss? If so, what the f*(k ever.. who cares? He kissed a guy so that people like Ellen can let him air his grievance (aka pitch his album) about how gay men are treated like a minority within a minority and they can all feel better for cramming the "it shouldn't matter" rant down our throats... again.
Kiss aside: I want to slap them all. Not for the gay factor, just because they're intentionally doing something they know will get backlash for no reason other than to complain about the backlash.
Posted By: Guest#4196 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 10:05 AM
From a straight guy: Fuck Mitch Micheals, you ignorant fucking homophobe.
Posted By: jay (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM
It's gross to see two guys kissing just because it is.
End of story.
Posted By: DeeRayMoore (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM
"Michael Jackson is proof that you don't have to look like Justin Timberfuck to sell records; there is such thing as talent."
Dude, don't try to tell me Timberlake isn't talented, cause thats bullshit. Yes, we get it. People refuse to give him any credit cause he was in a boy band. Let it go, the man has some good songs and comes across as a genuinely funny and nice guy(can't say that about MJ can we?) Hey, before you say someone doesn't have talent, MAYBE you should listen to their album(s). That might would help.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM
A batch of odd questions this time around, to say the least. I understand it's Thaksgivig, but seriously?
MJ is terribly overrated. Everyone's just praising him because he died. I think he was a decnet showman and dancer but his music really is awful when you look at it.
What was up with that homophobic respnse to the Adam Lambert question? So it's okay if two girls kiss but repulsive if two guys kiss in manly broland? (BTW, I am straight, I just support gay rights).
Amy Winehouse is hot, in a nasty crackwhore way. I'd lick gravy off of her rather than bald Britney. The Sinead o'Connor look just does not do anythig for me at all.
Posted By: lilwayne1 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Look at everyone who came after Michael Jackson and tell me which ones werent inspired by him ,or became hot shit because of him. Im absolutely thankful that Im old enough to remember he was the shit, and that he really always will be. Youre not just a "great" entertainer and dancer(MITCH) and have the most successful album of all time, a feat that will most likely never be topped. What sucks is will never know what wouldve happened if he hadnt died, if he couldve released a new album and came back to his true glory. We're seeing bits of it with his album and movie makin money. Maybe one of his kids will take up the reigns.
Adam Lambert is ugly, and seeing him kiss ANYBODY is ugly. His whole explanation is fucking weak. We KNOW what to expect from Janet and Lady Gaga, but NO ONE was expecting the dude from AMERICAN IDOL to grab some dudes face and give him a simulated blowjob. That's what he's missing. Who cares if he's gay or not, watchin two ugly dude make out in an aggressive manner is ugly.
Posted By: CL1 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Yeah dudes kissing is gross. Chicks kissing isnt. Thems the facts dude.Ya think otherwise, ya gay. Case Closed.
Posted By: Nic Cage (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Wait... Mitch hates the fact that two guys kissed but doesn't mind tasting Amy Whorehouse's boyfriend's jizz? Mitch, dude. Come on. You just lost your man card. Seriously, lol.
Posted By: Ugh (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Basically psychology shows that people who are so outwardly against homosexuality are scared of their own homosexual tendencies, and thus lash out. Hilarious.
Posted By: Snabbit (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Damn, Ben whupped ass left and right on this one!
Posted By: samsung_upstage_sux (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 01:39 PM
Give me a fucking break. So if I don't like this homo kissing another guy for the sake of creating controversy it makes me a hate monger? Fuck off with that liberal bullshit.
Posted By: Guest#7901 (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 03:33 PM
ALL HAIL MITCH MICHAELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: BLACK (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 03:55 PM
@JWestmoreland you do realize that other than singing how he in instructed to do so that Timberlake has no influence on his albums right?
He is no more talented than Miley Cyrus.
His lyrics are wrote for him. He singing coach tells him how to sing the songs. The beats are made for him and his dancing coach tells him how to move.
Posted By: Da Truth (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 04:03 PM
Why is it people are so quick to call others gay when someone says they dont really care for big greasy queers. I mean the bible says,and I quote "Big nasty fags is gross, but dem' lesbos am fuckin' hot!!' See, that says it all.Oh and dont get pissed, cuz when you go against me thinkin' ya weenie gets little.
Posted By: Chuckman "Ice" Lidell (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 04:08 PM
"Michael Jackson is proof that you don't have to look like Justin Timberfuck to sell records; there is such thing as talent."
hey, i would buy any Justin Timberlake album over any michael jackson album for one reason alone...
...i don't support pedophilia, (more specifically, pederasty in this case) and Timberlake has yet to publically pay off some preteen to keep the truth from the world.
normally, i am not one to let someones personal life interfere with my perception of their professional career, but in jackson's case he used his celebrity and wealth earned from his career to help feed his appetite for sharing beds with little boys.
Posted By: Darth Mortis (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 05:52 PM
Good call Ben on the Lambert thing!
I'm straight, but I don't care if a guy kisses another guy. In this day and age, theres no reason for anyone to be anti-gay. No excuses whatsoever.
Besides, theres a hell of more things to find offensive on TV than homosexuality!
Posted By: Earl (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 07:34 PM
It's gross to see two guys kissing just because it is.
End of story.
Posted By: DeeRayMoore (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Wow! What an intelligent and thought provoking statement! You've certainly changed my mind, DeeRayMoore.
Posted By: thepsychedelia (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM
what kind of question is number 3?
I don't like her as much as the next person over 10 but I don't want her dead.
Posted By: Guest#8043 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 01:41 AM
i rememeber a time when singers could actually sing and didnt have to do dumbass shit so people bought their music. now in 2009 all they have to do is to do a stunt like give some other guy a BJ on stage to get noticed. i wouldnt be surprised if the world DID end in 2012
Posted By: Guest#3863 (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 02:40 AM
Round 3
Question: It's a shame Miley Cyrus wasn't in that tragic bus accident, dead or otherwise.
Really? This is a little over the top don't you think?
Posted By: Kevin (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 08:32 AM
have u ever licked the top of a battery? that's what I imagine Amy Winehouse's vagina tasting like
Posted By: Duracell (Guest) on November 27, 2009 at 02:08 PM
" It's a shame Miley Cyrus wasn't in that tragic bus accident, dead or otherwise."
What kind of fucked up question is that? Wishing death on a singer because you don't like her work? Whoever came up with that question is human garbage.
Posted By: Guy (Guest) on November 26, 2009 at 08:04 AM
absolutely. that's the kind of cynical bullshit people should get slapped for.
Posted By: mr. nym (Guest) on November 28, 2009 at 06:00 AM
So I looked up the clip and I have a question: does anyone actually care about the kiss?
Answer: No. They're grossed out by one guy burying his face in the other one's nutsack. Comparing it to Britney/Madonna is moronic because Britney didn't drop and grab a face full of smelly cougar vag. It's apples and oranges so it's not hypocritical to treat it as such.
And as a completely straight male who used to frequent a gay bar I agree it was going to far considering the medium and they did it knowing full well the headlines would be coming.
To paraphrase the great Hooper X: "You gotta sell the image to the sell the {album}".
Posted By: elgrannoche (Guest) on November 28, 2009 at 06:24 PM
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