The 411 Music Top Five 03.30.10: Top 5 Drummers
Posted by Ben Czajkowski on 03.30.2010
From Lars Ulrich of Metallica, John Bonham of Led Zeppelin and Dave Grohl of Nirvana to Joey Jordison of Slipknot, Neil Peart of Rush and Bill Ward of Black Sabbath, the 411Music Staff rank their Top 5 Favorite drummers! See which drummers made the list and why!
Adam Hill
Drummers don't generally appear much in The Music 5&1 (Travis Barker nearly made it and he had to beat up a paparazzi to get that close) but for me, they are the heart of any good rock band. My list consists of drummers I respect, drummers who amaze me with what they can do and drummers who quite frankly, I wanted to be.
5. Rick Allen of Def Leppard.
I don't really care if this gets me some flak. I don't care if there is now a lot of technology involved to help him out. Dude has got one freakin' arm and drums for a rock band that has sold over 65m records worldwide. That's got to count for something.
4. Matt Tong of Bloc Party.
I was talking with a friend of mine about this week's Top 5 and he suggested Matt Tong. ‘Rubbish' I said. ‘The drummer from Bloc Party? You're taking the piss' ‘Go listen to Silent Alarm' he said. I did. He was right. Apparently such was the level of brilliance he attained during Silent Alarm that they actually turned the level up so it would be more prominent. I've always had a ‘like what I hear but not actively seek more' relationship with Bloc Party but having properly listened, especially to Tong, I now want to hear more and see them live. Not bad for a drummer to illicit that kind of response.
3. Dominic Howard of Muse.
In last week's column on Bassists, Chris made a really good point about Muse when including Chris Wolstenholme. For all the focus on Mat Bellamy and his obvious bat-shit crazy genius, Muse just wouldn't work without a great rhythm section. It was Absolution that really made me pay attention to Howard and his drumming and "Hysteria" in particular that I loved. For me, as great as that tune is, it was the frenetic, pounding drum beat that made it a really fantastic track.
2. Lars Ulrich of Metallica.
Over the years Ulrich has shown versatility and adaptability seldom seen in a drummer. As the music of Metallica evolved he evolved with it, moving from the high paced, intense beats that brought him to the dance to a more sedate and simplistic style. That he was able to do this is testament to his ability as one of the truly greatest rock drummers of all time. Plus the fact that, quite frankly, without him pounding away on the skins, Metallica may not have become the greatest metal band of all time.
1. John Bonham of Led Zeppelin.
Bonham is quite simply the greatest drummer of all time. When I was younger I had aspirations of becoming a rock drummer (problem was, I sucked) and it was Bonham I wanted to be. In my formative years the only drummer I really knew of was Phil Collins, then a friend put "Bonzo's Montreux" on a mix-tape for me and it wasn't so much that Bonham was in a different league to Collins, he was playing an entirely different sport. I first heard "Bonzo's Montreux" nearly 15 years after it was recorded and it still sounded fresh, new and exciting. Bonham died early and at his death he was the best drummer of all time, he still is and it frightens me to think how much better he could have become had he lived longer.
Michael James
5. Travis Barker (The Aquabats, Blink-182, The Transplants).
This slot doesn't go to Barker for his work with Blink or The Aquabats…. sure his drumming with those groups was pretty solid, but it never exactly made me leap from my seat. Instead, Barker gets this nod for his inspired hip-hop work. He has "remixed" a whole host of hip-hop tracks with excellent results, adding manic drumwork to tracks by Soulja Boy, Drake and countless others. I'm looking forward to his solo album which will find him drumming behind a whole host of rappers and rock frontmen.
4. ?uestlove (The Roots).
The Roots don't have much competition for the mantle of hip-hop's best band, but ?uestlove can hold his own with the best drummers of any genre. Not only has he provided the rhythm track for countless Roots jams, but he is also a top hired gun for rappers looking to incorporate live instrumentation and neo-soul crooners alike. He gets extra points for producing Al Green's stellar Lay It Down album and for powering Jay-Z's Unplugged performance.
3. Nick Cannon.
Seriously, have you seen Drumline! Dude can really slang them sticks. And yes, I just made that phrase up since I'm primarily a hip-hop fan trying to write about drummers. But seriously (or not), at one point Cannon (or his Cannon-esque stunt double) kneels down while drumming without missing a beat. Plus he got the girl (in the movie and in real life). How many drummers can say that? Not even a graduation ceremony can hold Nicky down….
2. Rick Allen (Def Leppard).
Now I can't say whether Rick Allen is any better than your average rock drummer. But even if he's just middle of the road, that still makes him twice as good a drummer as most anyone else—because dude only has one arm. Its straight mathematics- equal drumming x 1/2 the normal allotment of arms= twice the drummer. Can't argue with math, folks. All jokes aside, it's pretty inspiring that Allen has persevered in the face of adversity and continued to kick ass.
1. Dave Grohl (Nirvana, Them Crooked Vultures, Probot).
I'm sure I won't be the only one to put Grohl near the top of his list and it's definitely not the most inspired, left field choice. But ignoring his frontman skills with The Foo Fighters, Grohl is a beast on the kit. He's like Animal from The Muppets back there. I honestly have no idea how technically sound he is. He just never looks happier, and his passion and energy is both infectious and provides a booming bottom end for his bandmates to build on.
Ben Czajkowski
I'm breaking my own rules of not having much in terms of justifications for my picks. However, this week, I had my people chosen; I'm just buried under a mountain of Real Life. Kinda like the Astrocrag from GUTS: you make it up one path and a giant green boulder or glitter gets shot in your face. It's really not as pretty as it sounds. Anyway, here's my list:
5. Joey Jordison of Slipknot and others.
I've gained a lot of respect for him over the last 10 years. I've watched some absolutely sick videos of him playing. One of my best friends is a drummer, and he made me watch some of Jordison's stuff, and I was blown away by it. Plus, he's one of two of the 100 members of Slipknot whose name I can actively remember.
4. Danny Carey of Tool.
Going with a solid rock lineup here, so I have to include an awesome prog-rock drummer.
3. Josh Freese.
How can none of my compadres have mentioned the greatest session drummer of all time? He's played on some of the best music made from A Perfect Circle, Devo, Nine Inch Nails, Weezer, Guns N Roses. If I were starting a supergroup, Freese would be the first man on my list to play the drums.
2. David Grohl.
Grohl is a monster behind the kit. He plays with such a verbosity that I don't think I've ever done anything nearly as intensive as him in my entire life. He's a bundle of energy that just explodes on the skins. Check out Queen of the Stone Age's "No One Knows" video or anything live with him playing for Them Crooked Vultures. It's insanely sick.
1. Tomas Haake of Meshuggah.
This mother fucker can fly. Haake has the best technical abilities of any drummer I have ever seen or heard before in my life. His heavy use of polyrhythms is second to none. Haake also writes the majority of Meshuggah lyrics and also contributes spoken vocals on several songs, so he is clearly a multifaceted weapon, as well. Plus, I think he owns a world record somewhere for fastest drum playing or something. Don't have time to look it up. Feel free to correct me, please.
Aaron Titan
Aaron Titan here, master of the Music 3R's. Check out my most recent edition of the R's here. With that, here are my top 5 favorite drummers.
5. Neil Peart of Rush.
I got the chance to see Rush in 2008 and Neil Peart was a true showman. His drumming is crisp and energetic and at his age, that's pretty awesome. Drummers aren't always a standout in bands, and when you stand out in the same band as GEDDY FUCKIN' LEE, you're special. If you get the chance to see Rush live, it's worth it, if only for the 10-minute jazz-infused Neil Peart drum solo.
4. Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson of The Roots.
Before the legendary Roots crew "sold out" to be Jimmy Fallon's house band on NBC, they were such a powerhouse of funky, jazzy, soulful hip-hop. I mean, they still are, but being a traditional band isn't their primary focus anymore. Thompson - along with the group's MC Black Thought - took the art of performing live hip-hop to a new level. He's got ill timing and sounds far, far better than any keyboard/computer-produced hip-hop track you can find. He's also a sought after band director. I know he's assembled, rehearsed, and prepared other artists' live bands, such as Jay-Z's. Check him out at work in Dave Chappelle's Block Party movie. He solidified his spot on my list with his drum solo during The Roots' cover of Bob Dylan's "Masters of War" when I saw them live in 2008 on a college tour before Rising Down came out. Just a classically rehearsed and seasoned jazz drummer doing great live hip-hop.
3. Vinnie Paul Abbott of Pantera/Damageplan/Hellyeah.
He was a huge reason why Pantera is one of the best and heaviest bands of all time. You see a lot of thrash style drummers out there just beating the shit out of the bass drum with a double-pedal. Vinnie Paul made the rest of the kit sound equally heavy. He was also a huge part of Pantera's unique, acclaimed power groove alongside his late brother, "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott. Pantera's classic, "Becoming," made me fall in love with Vinnie Paul's drumming.
2. John Bonham of Led Zeppelin.
I'm a huge fan of Bonham's drumming! There's a reason Led Zeppelin didn't go on after he passed away - it just wouldn't have been the same. The guy's timing and rhythms were so unique and unconventional. A good example of what I'm talking about is on "Kashmir." He makes such a simple beat sound so heavy. "Moby Dick" is also friggin' amazing!
1. Dave Lombardo of Slayer.
The most fun I've ever had watching a drummer live was when I saw Slayer back in 2006. They were playing "South of Heaven" or "War Ensemble" and the video screen panned to an overhead view of Lombardo and his drum heads. Watching how fucking fast and intensely he was playing without a break in rhythm or speed was truly amazing. His makes Slayer sound so fucking heavy and evil, it's insane! I once read that Dave doesn't even warm up before live shows, while most thrash drummers have long, arduous warm-up routines!
Lenny Vowels
Out of all of the instrumentalist positions, this was the hardest to judge. I believe a lot of it has to do with the fact that drumming at its roots is just so much more intense in jazz than it is in rock, which means there's a lot more to choose from. On top of that, there are just so many good to great drummers out there that the simple matter of opinion is guaranteed to raise an ire or two just for not mentioning a certain name (or names). Either way, here's what I came up with.
Honorable mentions:
John Bonham (Led Zeppelin), Lars Ulrich (Metallica), Scott Travis (Judas Priest), Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle), Steve Shelley (Sonic Youth), Dave Grohl (Nirvana/Them Crooked Vultures), Black Richardson (Between the Buried and Me), Gene Krupa
5. Keith Moon (The Who).
Known as much for his drumming ability as his off-stage antics, Keith was a pure innovator and perfect blend of everything rock and punk that has been incorporated into music up to as recently as the past decade. His hits were always all over the place, yet they seemed to make perfect sense within the context of any Who song. It's as if every fill he played was improvised, whether it was recorded or played live. However, for me, to this day, it remains a mystery to me as to whether his legacy is cemented in his ability or the fact that he left this world choosing to live the rock n'roll lifestyle. Either way, it's impossible to forget a guy who's passed out mid-setlist AND set up explosives in his bass drum for a show-ending extravaganza
4. Michael Portnoy (Dream Theater).
Whether it's his amazing rotating kit with three bass drums or his amazing technical ability, Michael Portnoy has done nothing short of establishing himself as a legend, at the age of 42 no less. Some believe he's only as good as the band he supports, but if that's the case for Portnoy, it's saying a whole lot. Dream Theater is continuously hailed by many as the most technically proficient band in the world right now, and Mike's a huge reason for the distinction. Any band should consider themselves privleged to consider him as an influence for the 20+ years he's been playing professionally. Just ask Avenged Sevenfold.
3. Neil Peart (Rush).
His ability: untouched. His kit: unprecendented. His humility: downright unnecessary. Neil is known the world over for the unbelievable playing ability that he brings to the stage and the studio. He's been one of the best drummers that anyone has ever seen or heard since the mid-1970s and he never once looked back from what he's accomplished, even after the tragedies he's been through. What's always more amazing to me is that he would probably say that anyone on this list, even my honorable mentions, is a better drummer than he is. I've never understood that kind of humility coming from one of the best, but somehow I can't help but respect it either.
2. Danny Carey (Tool).
I will outright admit my bias here. I know I've stated on here in the past that Tool is my favorite band. But whereas Maynard is the zest that carries the band and Adam and Justin are the tremendous side dish, Danny is the flavor that brings it all together. He may not have the largest drum kit, on this list, but he's fantastic when it comes to the "less is more" philosophy. No matter how many times I listen to some of the heavier tracks on Undertow or Aenima, I can never help but wonder "How is he hitting ALL of that?!" My opinion didn't change when I finally got to see them live in '07 either (on my birthday no less). He never misses a step, and for my money, he just can't be beat when it comes to rock drumming ability.
1. Buddy Rich.
The rock buck stops here. Buddy Rich is someone that has me, at times, convinced that he isn't human. His ability on the drum kit goes beyond unprecedented. It's simply unparalleled. When viewed, his technique is admirable in itself, but when he's heard, you can't help but be blown away. It's because of this man that jazz drumming is on another plane of existence from rock. His legacy may not be remembered by many, which is a shame, but his ability and presence should never be overlooked. The man truly was a marvel.
David Hayter
Now I have to explain that I've had a hectic evening, Reading Festival tickets went on sale and I've spent the best part of four hours scrambling to get my Arcade Fire tickets so I'm afraid this will be short and to the point.
5. Lars Ulrich (1981-Present with Metallica).
Oh yes its internet darling Lars Ulrich, now before you start rebelling uncontrollably, ask yourself this; have you ever seen a man more elegantly turn from his drum kit, looks alluring into camera and slowly spray water onto said monitor while continuing to rain molten thunder on a festival field? Neigh you say, neigh indeed!
4. Keith Moon (1964-1978 with The Who).
A great drummer who was sadly taken from us before his time. Yet again I'm going to keep it brief. Why is Keith Moon great? Because he gave Sixties pop its visceral edge and changed the world before Jimmy Page and Robert Plant had even had a practice room booked. Listen to "Substitute" or "I Can't Explain" there is no way pop songs that sweet should have such rip roaring and uncontainable energy. He was a true game changer, he gave pop its power.
3. Danny Carey (1990-Present with Tool).
I'm a huge Tool fan, I love their grooves, their glorious rhythm section and Maynard's heart breaking vocals (check out "Prison Sex") but I've resisted unleashing them upon a top five...until now. Danny Carey is a tremendous drummer, he has all the tricks in his locker but what makes him great, is the way he cultivates a groove, and allows a track to build and grow organically. Whether it be a hypnotic beat or a brutal grind. And of course, you can expect time changes galore and those glorious counter rhythmic tribal beats.
2. John Bonham (1968-1980 with Led Zeppelin).
This won't take long. Is John Bonham the most technical drummer of all time? No, but he wasn't half bad. Was he the best member of his band individually? That's arguable, but really this doesn't matter one jot. John Bonham is one of if not the greatest drummers of all time for one simple reason; Generation after generation of young drummers want to grow up to be John Bonham, he is a true inspiration and when his hand grasped wooden stick and his foot met pedal he brought the thunder like no other.
1. Neil Peart (1973-Present with Rush & Buddy Rich Band).
So who's the most uncool band in history? If you said Rush your 100% correct, but dammit that's what makes them so cool. While the vocals and the ridiculous prog flavorings turned many away it's hard to deny the glory of Peart's drum work. It grabbed you by the balls and it rocked hard. While you may have been raising eyebrows out the tales right winger oaks ruling the forest you ears we're being pounded by the immortal rhythm attack of Geddy Lee and Neil Peart. When it comes down to it Neil Peart is the definitive prog drummer and the forefather of Danny Carey and any other time changing virtuoso. Long live the King!
Dan Haggerty
Fun fact – When compiling this list I found myself gravitating to the drummers from band's whose bass player I love. Is it a case of great bands having a solid rhythm sections or the two necessarily combining in effect?
Honorable Mention:
Simon O'Laoghaire (Primordial), Ginger Baker (Cream), Bill Bruford (Yes), Ian Paice (Deep Purple), Dave Lombardo (Slayer), Phil Collins (Genesis), Vinnie Appice (Dio), Jan Axel "Hellhammer" Blomberg (Mayhem), Mikkey Dee (Motorhead)
5. Bill Ward of Black Sabbath.
What I love about Ward is that his style is more percussionist than drummer. He doesn't keep a beat so much as just batter the song forward. The anarchist in me loves that. Just listen to that pattern he does in "Children of the Damned" to see what I mean. But whether it's him destroying the neighborhood, or delivering a soft touch, he's the polar opposite of someone like Neil Peart in that he works off of feel more than precision. It's a different kind of drummer with a different kind of sound, and that passion just explodes into your headphones. Plus, Ward is a secret weapon in that he can pull off singing and has the best solo albums of any drummer I know. Somewhere in this skin basher is the soul of a poet.
4. Cozy Powell of Every-f'n-one.
Going through all the people the man has played with is a like a roll call of honor. Way too many to mention here; needless to say this was a session drummer who took his place in so many great bands with so many great names that it's jaw dropping. And there is a reason for that. He was veracious in consuming the drums when unleashed but could bring a gentle hand and keep the writers intent when needed. A man of all seasons and more styles than should be allowed, he at once could be counted on by the bands he played with to be a team player but be the man when needed. At the end of the day, Cozy Powell was THE man because of it.
3. Keith Moon of The Who.
The madman of the kit himself, Moon was a man on fire whose only passive release seemed to be when he channeled all of that carnal energy into destroying whatever set was placed in front of him. No less than mastering styles that would influence rock, hard rock, and punk, plus deliver progressive flourishes when needed, Moon is an essential part of the rock histrionics lesson. But the skill the man had, man oh man. His fills managed to consume the background while driving the songs forward, all while being precise gunshots at some unseen enemy. This was a man who worked the extremes and reveled in the contradictions. This isn't a case of they broke the mold when he was born so there are no others, but more like he broke the mold the first day he played the kit.
2. John Bonham of Led Zeppelin.
The hardest skin hitter to ever play the kit, Bonham is an essential cornerstone of rock, hard rock, and metal, for all the right reasons. No one could match his veracity and Page had a hell of a time actually recording him. They would move him around (including the occasional foray to a hallway or another room) just to try and contain the man. Then he would drink a fifth and do it again with his bare hands! But the real story is his classy subtle touch. Yes, Bonham was a monster of force, but he could also deliver those blues and folk melodies as well, so between defining the heavy thump that was rock and roll getting turned inside out he also brought an artist's touch to the classics the band paid tribute to. He was a giant amongst drummers and the best at unleashing the passion of rock.
1. Neil Peart of Rush.
While it can be argued that Peart doesn't have the soft soul of your more blues and folk oriented drummers there is no doubt of the sheer technical skill and precision he brings to the instrument. He is known as the Professor for a reason after all. What is mind blowing is the ease he brings to odd time signatures, change ups, complex patterns, or the ability to turn the whole machine on a dime. I have said it many times and will do it one more time - Peart could take Lars Ulrich's thrice damned trash cans and own Hammersmith. The man has won Drummer Magazine's top honors each year he was eligible and many years when he wasn't (fan write in vote) they eventually just gave up and announced he was the man and made him ineligible. He sill one for several years. And if the accolades don't sell it, then just listen to him:
The Final Word
As always, the last thoughts come from you, the reader. We're merely unpaid monkeys with typewriters and Wikipedia. Here's what you need to do: List your Top Five for this week's topic on the comment section using the following format:
5. Drummer: Why you picked him/her. 4. Drummer: Why you picked him/her. 3. Drummer: Why you picked him/her. 2. Drummer: Why you picked him/her. 1. Drummer: Why you picked him/her.
PATHETIC: Bill Ward and Keith Moon garnering only a small amount of mentions while stupid fucks abound in these lists. All of you 411 writers should do the only honorable thing: confess to your homosexuality then go and commit suicide by cop....FUCK YOU
Posted By: blastmaster (Guest) on March 29, 2010 at 11:13 PM
No Phil Collins? No Don Henley? No Ringo? No Charlie Watts?
Why do I even bother?
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on March 29, 2010 at 11:20 PM
I like the drummers list a lot better than the bassist list... much more I can agree with. I am going to stick to rock drummers since jazz drumming is a totally different monster (thought nice to see a little Buddy Rich love.) Here are my top five.
5. Ringo Starr - Far more talented than is shown in much of The Beatles main stream. He played a role in changing the entire beat structure of rock and roll, and he has some pretty tight little beats on some of the lesser known Beatles tunes (Rain, I Want You (She's So Heavy), Helter Skelter, etc.)
4. MIke Portnoy - TOOL and Slipknot have some solid drumming... but they don't touch Dreamtheater. Best in the business these days.
3. Keith Moon - There is a reason he was the basis of Animal from the Muppets. He was the most beautiful chaos in rock history.
2. Neil Peart - As Dan stated... the professor for a reason. He is a technical drumming wizard.
1. John Bonham - simply the greatest combo of touch and power. There is a reason that Zeppelin left the game when he left the world.
Posted By: Guest#6196 (Guest) on March 29, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Anyone who is not putting Neil Peart on their list has either never heard him play, especially live, or is simply not a fan of music.
I'd also put Keith Moon up on the list, just because those fills are beyond amazing.
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on March 29, 2010 at 11:31 PM
No Nick Barker or Gene Hoglin? What the hell?
Posted By: Your mom (Guest) on March 29, 2010 at 11:47 PM
Morgan Rose from Sevendust is a insane drummer.
Posted By: Guest#8639 (Guest) on March 29, 2010 at 11:56 PM
I missed the bassist list, but the ones you guys put up so far is pretty good....here's my top 5:
Honorable mentions: Buddy Rich, Danny Carey, Dave Lombardo, Keith Moon, Charlie Watts, Phil Collins, Don Henley.
5: Ringo Starr: changed rock music and drumming with his style back in the Beatles days.
4. John Bonham: the madman of the kit ( not Keith Moon, IMO). A true animal on the drums.
3. Nicko McBrain: How can Iron Maiden churn out their sound while their present drummer only use one bass drum in his kit? Because that drummer is Nicko!
2. Matt Cameron: Not only is he arguably the best drummer from the grunge era, but the man is also a very good jazz drummer, songwriter and underrated singer too. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are fortunate to have him.
1. Neil Peart: total drum god. 'Nuff said.
Posted By: The Anteater (Guest) on March 29, 2010 at 11:56 PM
5. Ringo Starr- The Beatles
4. Bill Berry -R.E.M
3. Charlie Watts- Rolling Stones
2. John Bonham- Zeppelin
1. Keith Moon- The Who
Posted By: matt (Guest) on March 29, 2010 at 11:58 PM
How about Ben. E. Carlos.
Posted By: Mikky_G (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Barely any love for MR BILL WARD.Also no love at all for eric carr-The best drummer kiss ever had
Posted By: donnadahmer (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:09 AM
You guys should of listened to Behemoth, Nile, Satyricon and Mayhem and then see how there lists would of played out.
Posted By: Drew (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:28 AM
well this appears to be one of those lists where every body is conflicted. my personal fave is dave lombardo, then lars ulrich but what about max weinberg from max weinberg and weinberg 7?
Posted By: beerslayer (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:37 AM
Did you consider Carl Palmer (ELP and ASIA) or Stewart Copeland from The Police?
Posted By: tcamp006 (Registered) on March 30, 2010 at 12:41 AM
"You guys should of listened to Behemoth, Nile, Satyricon and Mayhem and then see how there lists would of played out.
Posted By: Drew (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:28 AM"
I completely blacked out on Inferno from Behemoth for this one. For shame. Add him to my honorable mentions list. He truly is amazing and a house of fire on the drums, but I still can't put him in the top 5 because as good as Inferno is, he doesn't really have any variation. i.e. He only has one speed: REALLY fucking fast.
Posted By: Lenny Vowels (Registered) on March 30, 2010 at 12:44 AM
what the fuck no matt cameron fuck this list , this time my comment better be put on this list of comments
Posted By: ojmendez (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:44 AM
5. Bill Ward
4. Ulrich
3. Peart
2. Bonham
1. Moon
Posted By: Medium Nog (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:47 AM
Shannon Larkin from Godsmack can tear shit up, and Sean Kinney of Alice in Chains works some magic back there. Just my opinion
Posted By: Carl_Jr (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:55 AM
dave lombardo is the best ever.
Posted By: marc (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:00 AM
dave lombardo
ward, from sabbath
peart
bonham
lars ulrich, in his glory days
there.
woooo
Posted By: marc (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:02 AM
Liked Lenny and Daves lists the best.
Posted By: joe5566 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:02 AM
WHAT?! No Meg White??!
Posted By: drum expert (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:17 AM
Lars is a mess as a drummer. I've heard too many industry stories about how many takes he has to do when recording because he can't keep time worth a fuck.
The good - no one mentioned Alex "I only exist because of my brother" Van Halen.
The bad - no honorable mentions for Scott Rockenfield of Queensryche.
Posted By: Scott B (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:51 AM
No Carter Beauford? I know it's cool not to like Dave Matthews Band, but I have never heard anyone use the drum kit like an instrument. Personally, I tkink he's the best drummer in music.
Posted By: Flyboy (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:54 AM
it doesnt matter if its best drummer,guitarist,bass player or singer the argument begins and ends with 2 bands zepplin and sabbath
Posted By: donnadahmer (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 02:28 AM
First some honorable mentions: The drummers from Spinal Tap (R.I.P); Animal for the Muppets and his human conter part Chuck Biscuits (DOA, Black Flag, Social D, Circle Jerks); Pip from the Lone Rangers.
4) Topper Headon (Clash) Topper's ability and versatility took this band from just a loud, past punk band to one that broke open a lot of the confines for what punk was supposed to be.
3)Jim Keltner (the list is long and legendary) Jim became to go to guy for hired gun whether live or in the studio. His adaptability to diverse artists from the Beatles to Streisand on some of the greatest recordings even for over 30 yrs.
2)Ginger Baker (Cream, Blind Faith,Alexis Corner) A lot of great drummers and other musicians consider Baker the best. Like Headon and Keltner, Baker started in jazz and brought those chops, at time very heavy chops, to many artists. His work with Cream is still his best.
1) With apologies to Charlie Watts, I have a tie for first. Moonie and Bonzo. It's been said already but flat out the greatest, period. RIP to both.
Posted By: cabronte (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 03:08 AM
Nicko McBrain of Iron Maiden! Hes not even mentioned.
Posted By: Jerry (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 03:15 AM
Gene Hoglin definitely deserves some props. Ringo? Ha! Yes, listen to live Beatles cuts (including on tracks officially released by Apple Records themselves on the anthology) and listen to the pure unadulterated skill as he masterfully can't hold a steady tempo throughout a song.
Posted By: Commie (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 03:25 AM
5.
5. Danny Carey/Joey Jordison/Josh Freeze. I can't decide between the three. All three are great drummers of the modern age but I picked them mainly for their influence on my drumming.
4. Christoph Schneider. He's simple but for the music his band plays, he's the perfect fit. It's hard and heavy and just right. He knows how to complement his band and that's something some drummer never learn to do.
3.Chris Pennie. The guy bends time signatures until they're on the verge of breaking. So fluid and creative.
2. Derek Roddy. Not only does he make me want to be a better drummer he makes it look so easy. An absolute master at multiple styles he might be the greatest death metal drummer of all time.
1. Mike Portnoy. The dude is simply amazing. The patterns he can come up with just blow my mind. I've had the pleasure of seeing him live with Dream Theater and it was great.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 03:33 AM
5. Ringo Starr- The Beatles
4. Phil Collins
3. Larry Mullin Jr.-U2
2. ?uest love.
1. The funky drummer from James Brown
Posted By: Guest#2086 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 04:17 AM
matt helders isnt even mentioned.
Posted By: kev (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 05:47 AM
Richard Christy!!!!
Posted By: Ronald McDouchebag (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 06:23 AM
What about the drummer from Black Stone Cherry, seen him a few times and can safely say he is mesmorising to watch during his solo's!!
IMO
Posted By: SirKnowsAlot (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 07:50 AM
All who put Lars Ulrich are simplistic fools. Why not put the douchebag from AC/DC, who at least doesn't try to hide the fact that he's a three-beat Casio keyboard metronome? At least that guy never hit on a few empty coffee cans and called it St. Anger. Fuck, if you think Lars is good, then you must think Meg White is downright amazing.
5. Hellhammer (various): Go listen to a song he drums on, and then fucking tell me otherwise.
4. Igor Cavalera (Sepultura/Cavalera Conspiracy): The master of tribal drumming, and a damn fine death/thrash drummer on top of all of that.
3. Brann Dailor (Mastodon): Like I even need to actually say why.
2. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin): Just masterful work. Bill Ward may have had the intensity of the era, and Keith Moon may have had the attitude, but Bonham combined both with sheer mastery.
1. Dave Lombardo (Slayer/Grip Inc.): Go listen to Hell Awaits, Reign in Blood, or Seasons in the Abyss and tell me the man doesn't have full control over what he's doing. Drumming so tight and angry and fast that it influenced all heavy music drumming after it, and it STILL stands out on its own level despite few, if any, modifications to his style. THAT is talent.
Posted By: AndrewCrow (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 07:54 AM
Not one mention of Matt Cameron?
He only was the drummer for Soundgarden and currently for Pearl Jam, and was/is a far better drummer than Dave Grohl.
The pantheon is John Bonham & Keith Moon 1 and 2; then comes everyone else
Posted By: hank (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 07:56 AM
I'm glad at least one of you included Dave Lombardo of Slayer because a top 5 drummer list without him is just wrong.
Posted By: Satan (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 08:15 AM
Buddy Rich has shit better music than all of the other hacks on your lists COMBINED.
Posted By: Insider (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 08:22 AM
I'm guessing this is a favourite drummers list rather than "the best", in which case I have no problem with any of the selections.
That being said, I can't believe no one mentioned "The Rev" (RIP) from Avenged Sevenfold. As a drummer myself, I find myself amazed by his technique and variety.
Posted By: Spank (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 08:23 AM
Surprised that nobody mentioned Jimmy Chamberlin.
Posted By: joe (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 08:48 AM
Glad no one picked Tommy Lee...I thought he was great back when I was 16 in 1989, but realized that he really wasnt so great...He looks good behind the kit, but isnt so great.
Not a fan of the Police, but I do know Stuart Copeland is one hell of a player. Same gors for Rush, not a fan but I know Neil Peart is ONE HELL of a drummer. You dont need ot be a fan to know when someone has talent.
But is anyone dosent pick Bohnam as #1, your high as a kite. IMO, he IS the Zeppelin sound, and without him Zep would never be as big as they were.
And for the doof that put the guy from R.E.M., I hope to god that was a joke...
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 08:57 AM
Guys who should have been mentioned: Stewart Copeland, Matt Cameron, DENNIS CHAMBERS, Bernard Purdie.
Shocking that only one person mentioned Bill Ward. Not so surprising that only one looked deep enough to acknowledge the drumming god Buddy Rich. And no Gene Krupa....?
Posted By: Sly Reference (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 08:58 AM
josh friese, dave grohl, neil peart, john bonham, gene hoglan of syl, fear factory, death, death angel; mike smith of suffocation, tim alexander of primus.
Posted By: rufus (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 09:08 AM
I agree with the Eric Carr reference. That drummer from Mars Volta. Stevie
Adler in his prime. Back to Eric Carr. Like Kiss or not throw on Creatures of the Night and just listen to one of the best heavy (not fast) heavy sounding drums I've ever heard.
Posted By: dan man (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 09:24 AM
No Carter Beauford? I know it's cool not to like Dave Matthews Band, but I have never heard anyone use the drum kit like an instrument. Personally, I tkink he's the best drummer in music.
Posted By: Flyboy (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:54 AM
I was thinking the same exact thing. People like to hate on Dave Matthews Band, and that's fine...they're not exactly my favorite band, either. But Beauford is an amazing drummer, and I thought someone would give him an honorable mention.
Posted By: The Azzman (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 09:29 AM
Buddy Rich was mentioned once? You guys should be ashamed of yourself.
Posted By: Travis Von Clamington (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 09:34 AM
Anyone who considers Lars Ulrich to be one of the best drummers of all time is disqualified from this conversation. Lars has been well known to be a terrible drummer who cannot keeo a beat to save his life. Mustaine and Hetfield were even considering kicking him out of the band before Mustaine was kicked out. Make no mistake though where Ulrich's skill lies is in BUSINESS not music.
Posted By: ERX (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 09:50 AM
Lars fucking Ulrich? You gotta be kidding?! He keeps time like a broken watch.
Posted By: Some Random Dude (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 10:02 AM
Shannon Larkin-Wrathchild America/Godsmack
SeanKinney-ALice in Chains
Tim Herb Albert-Primus
PHil Varone-Saigon kick/Skid Row
Stewart Copeland-The Police
Posted By: Guest#1599 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 10:05 AM
The fact that more people haven't put the drummers from Meshuggah, TOOL and Dream Theater as the top choices shows that this isn't a website for hardcore drummers.
Lars Ulrich? Really? Metallica are a great band, but in no way is Lars one of the top 5 drummers of all time.
Posted By: Parxy (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 10:40 AM
The whole top 5 should be Neil Peart
Posted By: Ser Drake (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM
and once again you tools prove you can't read...its their top 5 favorite...you can't really argue with that, its their opinion. They could have said the guy from timmy and lord of the underworld and.
Posted By: Ser Drake (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM
5. Drummer: Tommy Lee - Yeah hes an ass hole.. but hes a talented ass hole.
4. Drummer: Alex Van Halen - Very Under rated. The reason he doesnt get higher is because of complacency lately.
3. Drummer: Neal Peart - Crisp, Fast, Precise.
2. John Bonham - Two Words - Moby Dick. Two More? Bonzo's Montreaux
1. Lars Ulrich - Metallica made metal mainstream and Lars is one of the reasons why. His energy is un ending and he is always on point.
Posted By: Guest#8824 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 11:54 AM
John Stanier is best modern drummer. Helmet and Battles check it out.
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:09 PM
I guess no one here has ever heard of Alex Van Halen, huh?
Posted By: sethj88 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM
TO AARON TITAN:
You do realize that the video you posted of ?love drumming is not impressive. The crazy percussion you hear is not being played by him, he is only playing the accompaniment rhythm with some fills. No doubt he's great, you just gotta find a video that actually highlights him.
Posted By: tom (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 12:30 PM
There were good guys on all the lists. Props to those guys know who Tomas Haake is, though. But how do you whittle a list down to just 5? What about Brann Daillor (Mastodon), or Stewart Copeland (The Police), Gene Hoglan (Dethklok, Dark Angel, The Devin Townsend Band, Strapping Young Lad), Ventor (Kreator), or Sean Reinert (Death, Cynic, etc.)? Best of lists are nice because they invite comments, but so many drummers weren't even mentioned who are much more talented and interesting than the ones who were.
Posted By: Guest#3775 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:08 PM
I have been playing drums for 15 years (and am a regular visitor to this site)so yeah I understand all the love for Lars. He's like a gateway drummer for metalheads who eventually move on to Danny Carey, Mike Portnoy, Tomas Haake, etc.. when they broaden their horizons. Personally, the guy who made me want to play drums is Vinnie Paul...he's always a sentimental fave and still is amazing to hear and watch...current fave has to be Andols Herrick from Chimaira...he is so smooth and seemless in everything he does...he makes it look f@kin' easy ya know? Anyway, my top 5 would be (in no particular order)Vinnie Paul, Bill Ward, Neil Peart, Joey Jordison, and another personal fave, Rob Affuso from the original Skid Row (definitely not impressed with any of their drummers since...check out some of their old live stuff from around '92 and find a Rob drum solo...you'll see what I mean) Overall great column...Keep up the good work at 411mania! You guys kick ass!
Posted By: Wil Webster (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:12 PM
No love for Pickles (Dethklok) - technically Gene Hoglan?
Posted By: Nick (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:14 PM
Terry Bozzio
Posted By: dale (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:31 PM
Thank God some people had the sense to mention the Titan of Maleness that is Dave Lombardo. :D
Posted By: Frank (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:33 PM
To only have Hellhammer and Gene Hoglan as HM's is a crime against music. And no mention of Richard Cristie you all should be put to death!
5.Nick Barker-Dimmu Borgir and CoF two amzingly technical and arranged bands ever.
4.Gene Hoglan-one of the most imitated ever.
3.Pete Sandoval-death metal god
2.Richard Christie-Death,CWotD,Iced Earth nuff said.
1.Hellhammer-lets see someone try and imatate that shit.
Posted By: hateman (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 01:50 PM
Honorable Mention(s):
Thomas Lang-One word: Showmanship.
Keith Moon-Did you read the part where he passed out mid-setlist?
5)Josh Eppard, Coheed and Cambria-Versatile, great timing. Fits into radio rock and mild-prog style. If you can tolerate Claudio's vocals... (Willing Well 1-4, shows blend of rock, prog and blues drumming)
4)Tony Thaxton, Motion City Soundtrack-The band may not be prolific, and he will never wow anyone with spectacular showmanship or ridiculous solos, but he is a metronome. Perfect timing, nothing flashy, but still engaging in his playing. (song: Time Turned Fragile)
3)Brad Wilk, RAtM- Energy, timing, and creativity. Keeps a good balance of rock with rap in hits grooves. (song: People of the Sun)
2)Neil Peart, Rush- Nothing more needs to be said. Amazing creativity, elaborate style, stamina oozing from every pore. (Song: YouTube "Buddy Rich Memorial")
1)John Bonham, Led Zeppelin-He's John f*cking Bonham. (song: Moby Dick)
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 02:20 PM
DreamTheater?! wha?!LMFAO!!!!!!
Posted By: uglyhead (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 02:26 PM
As a drummer for nearly 30 years I can understand and respect your choices. After all this is a list of YOUR favorites. Not who can play the fastest or who is the greatest death/black/grindcore/240bpm drum god of all time! So with that here are some guys you missed that you might want to give a listen to.
Steve Smith
Terry Bozzio
Mike Mangini
Bobby Rock (trust me on this one, forget some of the bands he was in for a paycheck, This guy is flawless)
Steve Gadd
Eric Singer
Virgil Donati
Rod Morgenstein
Give these guys a listen. There are plenty more but these are a few I think you might appreciate for their range of playing and technique.
Posted By: Guest#7918 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 03:20 PM
Good to see Vinnie Paul get some love.
Posted By: Guest#9388 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 04:22 PM
Where is Mike Mangini? If you dont know who he is, he played on "Waiting For The Punchline" by Extreme, and check him out on You Tube...I believe he holds some sort of record for fastest drumming...but the guy pounds the SH*T out of them!!!
Posted By: Mike (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 04:40 PM
I love the people who rip on Dream Theater. What exactly is it that you have a problem with? Are they too musically advanced for you? Is it because you know they are probably the most proficient band in the world today? Or is it because they can probably take an album from anyone of your favorite bands and play it note for note with ease?
Posted By: Guest#1801 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 07:01 PM
Mr. Lenny Vowels is correct. Buddy Rich is #1, then there's everyone else. My top five:
5. Mike Bordin
4. Dave Weckl
3. Neil Peart
2. Mike Portnoy
1. Buddy Rich
I'd add Virgil Donati to the list, but that would mean I'd have to remove Mike Bordin, and my Faith No More markdom just won't allow it.
Posted By: RudoWakening (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 07:05 PM
Good picks,all.Good to see
Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich get mentioned,along with so many
metal guys.I miss Eric Carr,
but Eric Singer is great,too.
No love for Mitch Mitchell
(Jimi Hendrix),Roger Taylor
(Queen),Charlie Benante (Anthrax) or Tommy Aldrdge?
Posted By: Jason (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 07:39 PM
I miss Eric Carr. He was the reason I started playing drums in the first place. Died way too young. The man played with tremendous power and conviction. Never gave a bad performance and really did love the fans.
Posted By: Guest#5126 (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 08:01 PM
Have you guys ever seen Lars play live?? I've seen Metallica 8 times and he was fucking amazing. No retakes there.
Posted By: metalskunk (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 09:42 PM
Danny Carey and Mike Portnoy owns this category.
Posted By: \'B\' (Guest) on March 30, 2010 at 09:45 PM
I'm glad that SOMEONE recognized Josh Freese. He was great in all the side bands he plays in, and is brutal in the Vandals. I believe he's played on over 35 top 20 hits too? Perhaps even more? He lost count.
I think Brian Viglione of the Dresden Dolls deserves to be on someones Honorable mention list. Considering he's only got a psychotic female piano player/vocalist to fill in the gaps for the music, he's incredible. Recently he did some music with Trent Reznor, and is touring with other bands. He'll probably end up like Josh and become a big session guy.
Buddy Rich should've been the tops on everyone's list though.
Posted By: Krunchy (Registered) on March 30, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Mike Portnoy is the best drummer ever!
Posted By: Gby (Guest) on March 31, 2010 at 01:55 PM
5 - NEIL PEART - Undoubtely one of the world's best, but Neil suffers from lack of emotion. Too technical, but there's no warmth. that's why he's my number 5. But a genius in his field, no doubt about it;
4 - CARL PALMER - An impressive drummer, complete from head to toe, it's a shame he isn't remembered more often. A living legend;
3 - BILL BRUFORD - He can play anything. ANYTHING. It's scary sometimes. Unfortunately, got fascinated with eletronic drum pads which I think depreciate his own abilities;
2 - JOHN BONHAM - THE MOBY DICK. Bonham's really a monster. Drummers' biggest influence to these days. He's not number one only because...
1 - MIKE PORTNOY - ...is the GREATEST. A GOD. Flawless. Not even drinking could take him away from what he was born to be: the greatest drummer that ever lived. And he's the best for a very simple reason: he's the most COMPLETE of them all. He's got PALMER's flair, PEART's technique, BRUFORD's inventiveness, BONHAM's heavy mastodon beats... MIKE PORTNOY is uncomparable.
Posted By: Leonardo Mattar Monteiro (Guest) on March 31, 2010 at 01:58 PM
Glad to see Danny Carey got love. Not so happy to see Keith Moon get passing notice at best. Outright PISSED at not seeing any mention of John Tempesta or Mike Bordin.
Posted By: Jed (Guest) on April 02, 2010 at 10:35 PM
1. Eric Singer
2. Tommy Lee
3. Rikki Rockett
4. Blas Elias
5. Lars Ulrich
Posted By: Hoags Enit (Guest) on April 03, 2010 at 01:50 AM
You're all a bunch of fucking fools. Wheres Jimmy Chamberlin in all of this? Shows how much you all ''know''.
Posted By: James Mullarkey (Guest) on May 13, 2010 at 07:25 PM
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