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411 Music Ten Deep 12.2.11: Top Ten Disappointing Albums of 2011
Posted by C.A. Bell on 12.02.2011





Well, well, well, you didn't think the Ten Deep had permanently gone under, had you? We're back and with a slightly different host. Since we are all sick of leftovers by now, I thought taking a look at the year's turkeys might be a good start. But before that, a few beginning points...

Just Who in the Hell Does This Guy Think He Is?

Okay, so I was a fan of this column long before I took it over and I know how nasty the comment board gets. No matter what the picks are someone will think it is too mainstream and someone else will think they are completely out of left field. Every week someone is going to say, "This list should be called (add insulting oversimplification here) who are favorites of this random guy." I get that. Allow me to start the conversation off with some ground rules. First, music is completely subjective. I am not trying to slap your mother; I am just putting up my favorite ten items for that particular topic. Not only is it not meant to insult your tastes, it may not even be representative of mine by the time it publishes. The point is to have some fun talking about our own personal favorites. Second, I want to list my background so that you have some idea of where I'm coming from. In addition to writing for 411music and Earbuddy over the last three years, I have spent time working as a radio DJ, venue booking scout, and owned my own talent management company. I will tend to talk more about Classic Rock, Indie and Roots/Americana. Having said that, once again, not a single one of those things makes my opinion here more important or definitive than yours. Let's try to have a little fun.


The List

If any of you are fans of the show Sound Opinions, you know they do an annual Turkey Shoot for the biggest letdowns of the year. It just so happens that this year they spent a few minutes talking to yours truly about my own biggest letdown (which you should check out here). While I was preparing for my bit on the show, I decided to round out my own top ten turkeys and give them to you, in all of their horrid glory. These aren't albums that are necessarily bad, just the furthest south of expectation. The only thing worse than hearing a terrible album is hearing an okay album that you spent three months pining to be released. So here they are, my top (or bottom) ten turkey albums for 2011.

The Near Misses (or My Excuse List)

Lou Reed and Metallica Lulu - Not enough time has passed to include this and I honestly didn't expect very much to begin with, but have no doubts...it is really, really bad.

Red Hot Chili Peppers I'm With You - If this were 1992, I would have a right to put the album here. This, however, is the follow-up to Stadium Arcadium. I barely expected it to include music.

Bon Iver Bon Iver - I honestly don't think the record is that bad until the last song. It's not 'beautiful', but it's far from a terrible record.

Beyoncé 4 - Honest to God, I didn't even listen to it. That's just not my cup of tea to begin with.

The Drums Portamento - I thought long and hard about including this record as an example about how the exact same thing can be perfect one year and completely overdone the next. In the end, it seemed hardly fair to punish a record because my tastes had changed.


The Ten




10. John Vanderslice - White Wilderness



Let me begin with this; putting together this list was absolutely painful. Easily half of the albums here are from artists whose work I truly love. John Vanderslice is a perfect example. He is one of my favorite songwriters working today, his discography is impressively solid, and to top it all off, he seems like an all around nice guy.

Hence the problem, I really wanted to like White Wilderness and it didn't pay off for me. There is something about symphonic arrangements that makes them incredibly tricky to arrange. They can either add a new level of energy to a song, or they can completely sap it. On this record, Vanderslice fell into the latter's trap. To me, one of his signature strengths is in subtle songcraft. John Vanderslice writes songs that you have to pay full attention to fully enjoy. On White Wilderness, all of that subtlety is drowned out by clunky, out-dated string arrangements. On top of that, the bigger arrangements kept his most interesting tempo changes and Pop hooks out of the question. It kills me to say it, but White Wilderness just sounds like a cookie cutter crooner record from fifty years ago. It was an interesting concept, but it just didn't pay off.






9. Cymbals Eat Guitars - Lenses Alien



Yet another example of a group that I didn't want to put on the list, Cymbals Eat Guitars' sophomore follow-up to Why There Are Mountains is a record that I don't even necessarily think is bad. The problem with Lenses Alien is the same as a few of the records on this list; it is just less interesting than what came before. On Why There Are Mountains, Cymbals Eat Guitars made a frantic masterpiece. You got the feeling, listening to that record, that this was a completely unpredictable group of musicians. The album was full of frenetic change-ups and just about every instrument you could imagine appearing on a Rock record. That was a dynamic record. Lenses Alien is static in more than one way. Instead of following up on their everything goes epic songwriting, the group instead decided to engage in an hour long experiment in noise, with an aped Jeff Buckley vocal performance hiding somewhere in the middle.


Lenses Alien had some interesting things going for it, but even its most interesting moments were hidden beneath layers of feedback or squandered on meandering arrangements. I think if it weren't coupled with the expectations from their first record, this Cymbals Eat Guitars offering would have been a completely fine record (if forgettable). Listening to Lenses Alien, however, just left me wishing I was listening to Why There Are Mountains.






8. Radiohead - King of Limbs



Here is an example of a record that I shouldn't have expected to be as great as I did. Since OK Computer, Radiohead has been a group that doesn't release albums; they release events. They are one of the only groups on the planet right now that still have that power. For me, Radiohead's albums have also been subject to the law of diminishing returns ever since that record. In an attempt to avoid becoming stale, they have constantly worked to evolve their sound. The key drawbacks of that being first, that they never stay in one place long enough for it to become truly fruitful and second, that ever changing sound has become their shtick.

King of Limbs is a record that I just don't care for and I should have expected almost every second of it. The first half is standard Radiohead fare; stop-and-start vocals filled out by static-y clicks and barks. The second half of King of Limbs is the other half of the Radiohead game; interesting sound experiments that are good, but unnecessarily obtuse and will probably never be heard from again. I shouldn't have expected greatness from this record, but I did and it didn't provide. Thankfully, the penny has finally dropped and their next record will not be commanding as much of my attention without an immediate payoff.






7. R.E.M. - Collapse Into Now




At the beginning of the year, the first glimpses of R.E.M.'s newest record were trickling into the media and things looked good. Trumpeted as the return of old R.E.M. (sound familiar?), the new songs sounded good, really good actually. I was fully sold on the idea of a new R.E.M. record. It seemed like maybe the time off and Peter Buck's work on the fantastic Decemberists' record a few months earlier had genuinely given the band that old swagger. Unfortunately, those tracks sounded much better on a first listen than inside of a full album. Collapse Into Now ended up sounding more like a band poorly trying to sound like R.E.M., than the band itself.

Sometimes aimless and often uninspired, the songs on Collapse Into Now just don't payoff. Of course, we now know that this was the last record R.E.M. was obligated to record and their retirement was probably a foregone conclusion at the time of its recording. So, the band members were probably much more interested in getting a new part of their lives started than crafting great songs, but it makes these songs no less disappointing. R.E.M. is one of the greatest American Rock bands ever and their best songs sound better today than ever before. I was really wanting to hear a great record from R.E.M. this year. Unfortunately, Collapse Into Now is what I got.






6. Ron Sexsmith - Long Player Late Bloomer



As I write this, I am absolutely sure I will be alienating some, if not most, of our Canadian readers. Let me say this, Ron Sexsmith is on this list only because he is such a great songwriter. Unfortunately, Long Player Late Bloomer is a record that completely shrouds his best qualities. This is probably the best record made for Adult Contemporary radio stations this year, and undoubtedly the worst record in Sexsmith's catalog. Like John Vanderslice, Sexsmith is a songwriter most loved for his individual idiosyncrasies. And like Vanderslice's White Wilderness, Long Player Late Bloomer is like a bucket of liberally applied bleach on top what makes Sexsmith great.

Surrounded by a languid mix from producer Bob Rock (Bon Jovi, Metallica) and phoned in arrangements, Sexsmith's songs on this record seem resigned to their own mediocrity. He spends the entire record singing in clichés almost as over trodden as the instrumental performances. That leaves only Sexsmith's vocal delivery to provide flavor, and even that is made mundane by Rock's overly clean production. If this is Ron Sexsmith's acceptance of adulthood, I now understand what it is to hope I die before I get old.






5. Flogging Molly - Speed of Darkness



Flogging Molly is an unapologetic guilty pleasure of mine. Yes, their aping of Irish traditionals and the Pogues is more than slightly cartoonish. Yes, songs about drinking and screwing are well beyond passé. Those things being said, I absolutely do not care. This is a band that embodies Rock 'N Roll. They are one of the best live acts I have ever seen, and their studio records are only slight understatements of those performances. Unfortunately, while the group's other records were much needed hammer blows to the solar plexus, Speed of Darkness felt more like a deciding blow at a pre-teen pillow fight. An unfortunate attempt at the Pop Metal sounds that dominate American Hard Rock radio, this record doesn't even sound like the same band. Uninspired and overly clean, there is even a dreaded Auto-Tune effect on the vocals. The most rocking moments on Speed of Darkness don't come close to the worst moments on the band's prior discography. Listening to this record almost brought me to tears, and that is an experience I never want to have when listening to the raging drunkards from Flogging Molly.






4. The Kooks - Junk of the Heart



Much like the release from Flogging Molly, The Kooks made a more mainstream record and completely lost the magic that made their prior records so great. Unlike Flogging Molly, The Kooks are not a band that was that far away from Pop to begin with. The lovable, roughshod Brits spent their first two albums making Poppy love songs that were kept from the realm of schmaltzy by a thin layer of rawness. On Junk of the Heart, there is absolutely no rawness to love. They made the equivalent of a modern Red Hot Chili Peppers record. The songs are terrible, clichéd messes. The instrumental performances are phoned in and stripped down to basic structures by the plastic production. The title of this record suggested that we would be getting something closer to their Libertines influence, yet the performance was in the exact opposite direction. Hopefully, uproar from fans and the record's weak chart performance will prove that writing meaningless music is not the best way for this band to make their mark.







3. Atlas Sound - Parallax



I am of the camp that does not believe you should throw around the term 'genius' lightly. In particular, I try to never use it in the case of artists that are still finding their way. Bradford Cox is a perfect example why. On Parallax, I get the feeling that, like Mike Patton or Conor Oberst before him, Cox has begun to believe his own press to the point of thinking for him, writing songs requires almost no effort at all.

The release of Deerhunter's Halcyon Digest was a watermark for Cox to this date. The album was complete and well worth the time invested. So, after that and with three albums of Bedroom Diary meanderings out of his system, I had high hopes that the newest Atlas Sound record would finally put all of those experiments to work in listenable, complete form. I could not have been further from satisfied. On Parallax, the lyrics are nonsense, the music is meandering, and the production seems like little more than an afterthought. The result is an album of songs that are barely more than fragments. Ten years ago, you would think this was the type of demo reel that an artist would be embarrassed to have leak to the public. Unfortunately, today the amazement that someone could record something so sub-par all by themselves seems more important than the overall quality of a record. In talking about Cox, I feel a little like the kid in the crowd calling out the naked emperor. The knee-jerk Indie reaction to any work from Cox seems to be, 'he's a genius.' I'm willing to bet that ten years from now, I won't be the only one asking why.







2. Jay-Z & Kanye West - Watch the Throne



Putting this record on the list was a no-brainer. In a way, odds couldn't be more against a record meeting expectations. In Jay-Z and Kanye West you have two artists that are huge commercial successes with plenty of artistic credibility. That alone is rare, but these two are special. They both seem like guys who can't fail. Many would argue that Jay-Z is the best Hip-Hop artist ever. Just as many would argue that Kanye is the best Hip-Hop artist today. On top of all that, they have more than a proven history together. On The Blueprint, these two created Hip-Hop history. You add in guest performances from the likes of Beyonce, Q-Tip, and even Justin Vernon, and this record should have been a slam dunk. Unfortunately, Watch the Throne's biggest success is in proving that no matter how much talent is involved, the artists still have to be in-tune with the times they live in.

One of the driving forces behind making Hip-Hop and Rap the cultural powerhouse that it is today was the element that provided a voice to a side of America that had never had a voice before. Jay-Z embodied that voice early in his career. He spun stories that gave millions a common identity. On Watch the Throne, he and Kanye are talking about lifestyles that only a handful of the truly fortunate can identify with. And, whereas it would have read like an empowering battle cry a decade ago, today tales of their champagne and caviar dreams are just as outdated as reruns of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. They come off as braggarts, rubbing wealth in the faces of the faces masses that provide them with this unlimited wealth. Somewhere along the way becoming wealthy because you were talented turned into being talented because you are wealthy, and the result is an utterly empty record of tracks that will only live on equally shallow club floors.







1. Destroyer - Kaputt



Well, for those of you who listened to the Sound Opinions episode, this selection comes as no surprise. Kaputt was, by far and away, the single largest disappointment of the year. As Destroyer, Dan Bejar has crafted some of my favorite albums of the last decade. His take on the archetypical Bowie-era Glam Rock style is both singular and fantastic. But with KaputtBejar decided to try something new, and it is awful. Cheesy early 80's Soft Jazz arrangements with aimless song structures, acid hangover Al Stewart vocal performances, and some of the most meaningless and unnecessarily wry lyrics make this record an absolute mess. As with most of the selections on this list, I probably spent more time trying (and failing) to find something to love here than I did enjoying my favorite records of the year.

On Sound Opinions, Greg argued that he liked this record because he heard shades of groups like Blue Nile in it. I understand what he is hearing, but I think he gives Kaputt way too much credit. To begin, bands like Blue Nile and Talk Talk might have functioned within the general vicinity of this record, but they always found a way to hit a fantastic groove. That is something Bejar doesn't even bother attempting here, with tracks like "Bay of Pigs" floundering aimlessly before coming to their confusing and feckless finish. Furthermore, I highly doubt that a Blue Nile record made today would sound anything like the production on Kaputt. Most of this record sounds as if it was made with a $40 Casio keyboard and drum machine from the age of room-sized synthesizers. If Kot is right, and this was made with a tongue-in-cheek wink and nod, than the joke is clearly on us. On a related note, a part of our conversation that didn't make the show included Greg revealing that Bejar plans on making his next record around the banjo. Let's just hope that's a good thing.





Think I got something wrong? Want to add your own turkeys? Make sure to leave a comment below.

No synthesizers whatsoever were used during the writing of this column.

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Watch the Throne went hard, and the production was one of the best of the year. You're crazy.

Posted By: water bottle (Guest)  on December 01, 2011 at 11:12 PM

 
 
"Many would argue that Jay-Z is the best Hip-Hop artist ever. Just as many would argue that Kanye is the best Hip-Hop artist today."

Just like this column those two sentences are a matter of opinion. I don't even know who half these guys are, so it seems more of a "hey what are you most dissappointing albums of the year list, here is mine".


Posted By: MadLib (Guest)  on December 01, 2011 at 11:48 PM

 
 
Justice and Digitalism

Posted By: Wisecracka (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 12:36 AM

 
 
Uh...yeah memo to 411: can this guy ASAP, this list and his comments are poop. First of all most of this crap that the general public doesn't even know exist (which how can it be a disappointment in the first place) then you hating watch the throne and radiohead? Really? Really? Two of the best reviewed albums of the year...really? Time to let someone else take this column over 411. Maybe someone who actually enjoys music and doesn't want to be cute about it. Moron....

Posted By: L.J. (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 12:44 AM

 
 
King of Limbs is a fantastic album, and you suck.

Posted By: Guest#8335 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 12:44 AM

 
 
As a big fan of The Strokes, their newest album really pissed me off. It was half-assed and really should not have been released. And most of the band pretty much disowned it after its release which makes it even more frustrating when you shell out money to buy the album.

Regarding Watch the Throne, I have to disagree with you. While I do generally hate self-congratulatory rap/hip-hop, Kanye and Jay Z decidedly take a different route with it. Their album is not just about being successful and being proud of the fact, but more importantly it is being so while black. Considering the men behind this album, it makes Watch the Throne the most genuine hip-hop album in a very long time. This is pretty important in a genre, lifestyle, and culture where "keeping it real" is its mantra.

" I'm shocked too, I'm supposed to be locked up too
If you escaped what I've escaped, you'd be in Paris getting fucked up too." -Jay-Z (Niggas in Paris)


Posted By: Guest#4800 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 12:48 AM

 
 
What? What?

What? How is Watch the Throne on this list? It's one of the BEST albums of the year, hands down. I've never heard of anyone who didn't like it.


Posted By: Guest1986 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 12:50 AM

 
 
I LOVE Jay-Z, I like Kanye, and I liked the writing in this column. But it seems silly to be disappointed that Jay and West made an album about lavish lifestyles, since 90% of their previous albums were about, yes, lavish lifestyles.

Posted By: Guest#3117 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 01:45 AM

 
 
Who are these people?

Posted By: Guest#1929 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 01:45 AM

 
 
I agree on the "Watch the Throne", when you look at the two artist involved you expect a classic, a masterpiece. Jay-Z' effortless flow forcing Kanye to push himself to make some of his most impressive work to date .. Instead we got a bunch of songs of them telling us the listeners and industry in general that nobody will be able to match their success. As far as rap albums go, this wasn't even the best collaborative of the year, which makes it a letdown.

Posted By: K.Bett (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 01:53 AM

 
 
I think CA Bell may be posting on the wrong site.

Posted By: Guest#0329 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 02:00 AM

 
 
I agree that Watch the Throne was disappointing. The production is superb, but i care nothing about what they are saying. I expected them to come together and make statements. Come together and make the most classic songs yet. They didn't.

Posted By: Guest2020 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 02:01 AM

 
 
And yet I don't see Lil Wayne's Tha Carter IV, that album was straight garbage.

Posted By: ErvGotti85 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 02:51 AM

 
 
Morbid Angel's Illud Divinum Insanus should be on this list.

Posted By: Guest#4095 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 03:17 AM

 
 
If you didn't listen to such terrible music, maybe you wouldn't be so dissapointed?

Posted By: Guest#0742 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 03:51 AM

 
 
Yeah I don't mean to jump on the bandwaggon or anything, but personally, Watch the Throne was probably my favourite album to come out this year. I'm not going to insult you or anything, you're doing a job, and I write reviews for a different website and have had my fair share of negative comments ripping my opinions apart, but as I said, I personally loved WTT a hell of a lot.

Sure it talks about being rich and not many people can relate... but that's 99% of hip-hop. It's almost all Jay-Z ever talks about (Blueprint 3 can be summarised by "I'm richer and cooler than you") and Kanye does it a fair bit these days, (My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is almost entirely themed around being lonely at the top). But while the subject matter is mostly about money etc, they are at least talking about it over some of the slickest production around, and their wordplay is second to none. There's also multiple tracks about race and society. I'll grant you it's kind of... different, but I still personally thing it's among the year's biggest triumphs.


Posted By: Guest#4186 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 05:16 AM

 
 
If you're as rich as Jay-Z and Kanye, what else is there to rap about? That's the shortfall of the genre, you're either on a major label and rapping about wealth and going out to parties, or your on the indies rapping about being a struggling artist or a crack peddler.

Posted By: Guest#1979 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 05:42 AM

 
 
Watch the Throne was not disappointing, it was over hyped. There's no way it could have lived up to expectations.

Posted By: Guest#6315 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 07:13 AM

 
 
your list means nothing since lulu from metallica & lou reed is not on it... go do your homework boy!

Posted By: Master Exploder (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 07:38 AM

 
 
Only Jay-Z thinks Jay-Z is the greatest hip-hop star ever.

Posted By: Dennis Franz moustache (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 07:45 AM

 
 
As far as I'm concerned, the more "disappointments" Kanye is involved with, the better. That douchebag needs to go away. I have NO idea how he is deemed as one of the "best". He can't carry a note to save his life (sure he can rap...big deal...but he can NOT SING), and he is a complete RACIST asshole. Goodbye to him, hopefully very soon.

Jay-Z, on the other hand, is cool and I wish him luck in the future.


Posted By: Hitman (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 07:52 AM

 
 
Oh Madlib, you silly man. You've played right into his "rename the list something glib and patronizing" trap.

Posted By: Carlos (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 08:09 AM

 
 
Watch the throne is just another case of 2 self indulgent rappers who have the ability to create amazing music with a message and instead take the easy way out.

The two of them combined should have been able to make a memorable record that would stand the test of time.

Instead it's the same old tired stuff from those 2 as they decided to not take any chances at all and play it about as safe as can be for the benefit of their wallet and the sheep who follow them blindly and wouldn't call them out if them out for anything.

Those of us looking for something more, something this should have been, were left with just another run of the mill album by 2 guys who should be better than that but who's best days are clearly behind them.


Posted By: Guest#8996 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 08:23 AM

 
 
What? What?

What? How is Watch the Throne on this list? It's one of the BEST albums of the year, hands down. I've never heard of anyone who didn't like it.

Posted By: Guest1986 (Guest) on December 02, 2011 at 12:50 AM

I didn't like it.


Posted By: This Guy (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 08:39 AM

 
 
Drake and Lil Wayne say hi.

Posted By: Guest#8765 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 08:45 AM

 
 
Off the top of my head, definitely woulda thrown Seether's "Holding onto Strings Better Left to Fray". Very disappointing album. Saliva's new one I'd also throw in there Under Your Skin. But then again I wasn't too surprised. They are one of those bands that the album is either completely awesome, or complete shit. Cinco Diablo was incredible, so I guess the next album, this new one Under Your Skin, had to be shit.

Posted By: BR (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 08:54 AM

 
 
Yo Destroyer, I'm happy for you and I'm-a let you finish, but me and Jay had one of the worst albums of all time!

Posted By: Kanye West (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 08:56 AM

 
 
Who are:
Destroyer
Atlas Sound
The Kooks
Ron Sexsmith
Cymbals Eat Guitars
John Vanderslice


Posted By: Guest#5157 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 10:16 AM

 
 
It's pretty obvious that C.A. Bell never actually listened to Watch the Throne. He probably just read Chuck D's comments about it being materialistic and drew his conclusions based on that.

Posted By: Guest#1226 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 10:22 AM

 
 
Mastadon the hunter

Posted By: Tiger thunder (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 12:39 PM

 
 
Watch the Throne is hands down one of the best Hiphop albums of the year. If ur expecting some uplifting political movement rap u need to put in a talib album. When has Jayz not talked about money.....lol. N actually songs like "Made in America" or Murder to Excellence is more of a change of pace then ur used to for these guys.

Great album, Great production n if ur pissed off cause they are still and have always been cocky....The Album is called WATCH THE THRONE....what did u expect.


Posted By: Ringo (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 01:06 PM

 
 
At the very least, I don't think anyone can accuse Bell of not listening to enough music. Respectfully disagree on "Kaputt" (and "Watch The Throne" to a lesser extent), but the rest of the picks are solid.

Posted By: John Downey (Registered)  on December 02, 2011 at 01:59 PM

 
 
I was ready to be upset once I saw Watch the Throne on here, yo! Then I read what you had to say and it mirrored what I said in the review for it! Spot on and completely understandable. Sure, I loved the album, but in terms of expectations and how relative it was, you were spot on.

Posted By: Tony Acero (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 06:00 PM

 
 
Uh...yeah memo to 411: can this guy ASAP, this list and his comments are poop. First of all most of this crap that the general public doesn't even know exist (which how can it be a disappointment in the first place) then you hating watch the throne and radiohead? Really? Really? Two of the best reviewed albums of the year...really? Time to let someone else take this column over 411. Maybe someone who actually enjoys music and doesn't want to be cute about it. Moron....

Posted By: L.J. (Guest) on December 02, 2011 at 12:44 AM

So you're mad because

1. C.A. Bell has different taste in music than you.

and

2. He doesn't like two albums you like.

Lol.


Posted By: Guest#9657 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 07:47 PM

 
 
"One of the driving forces behind making Hip-Hop and Rap the cultural powerhouse that it is today was the element that provided a voice to a side of America that had never had a voice before. Jay-Z embodied that voice early in his career. He spun stories that gave millions a common identity. On Watch the Throne, he and Kanye are talking about lifestyles that only a handful of the truly fortunate can identify with."

Uh... did you actually listen to Jay-Z's early albums? He was talking about Bentleys, diamonds, expensive champagne and living the good life back then too. In fact, I'd say he was actually more materialistic on his first album than he is on Watch the Throne.


Posted By: Guest#3674 (Guest)  on December 02, 2011 at 08:48 PM

 
 
Wow, you're a pretty cool guy.

Posted By: Guest#7164 (Guest)  on December 03, 2011 at 04:31 PM

 
 
i'm pretty sure 99% of the music writers for 411 only listen and post shit on indie music

Posted By: wtf (Guest)  on December 04, 2011 at 11:48 AM

 
 
i know every band/artist on the list, but it seems mostly everyone here hasn't heard of any of these bands. good and bad because not one (with exceptions;jay-z, atlas sounds) have released a great albums to begin with. perhaps they should "broaded their music listening ability", but i will never ever but any of these bands as immediate recommendations.

love flogging, but they make good songs, not albums. the kooks just fall into that brit-alternative (indie for the u.s.a.; l.a. where im at) the rest are bands past their time. radiohead and rem with continue to make records and people will buy and say it's great because of the band name.

don't like destroyer, so can't say i the album blown. and haven't listened to atlas sounds album unfortunately :/

i also read a comment about the strokes 'angles' album. no album, from any band, will be 'is this it?' but angles isn't all to bad. i thought it was ass at first, but only games, and two kind of hapiness blows. gratification, machu, under, life is, taken, you're so are pretty good. and they actually worked really hard on it. someone suggested that they rushed it. they fired two producers because they didn't like what they were doing to their music. outcome was a good album. not best of 2011, but good


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