The Savage Animal 09.11.13: Where Are They Now? The Kanye/Swift Incident
Posted by Mikey MiGo on 09.11.2013
411's Mikey MiGo looks back the infamous Kanye/Swift incident of 2009 and how they've fared since! Plus Night of Champions predictions, a review of an underrated Eric Idle movie, a look at the Escape Plan, and more!
"WWE Night of Champions PPV Preview": Night of Champions is less than a week away. I'm writing this the weekend before the show so I don't have the "go home" RAW and Smackdown to take into account. I've been watching wrestling for a million years now that I really don't think it'll make THAT big of a difference. The main events are set. At best a stupid stipulation will be added to a match.
I really like Randy Orton being the top heel in the company. He's consistently on the best performers and is truly a natural superstar. He's got the "size" that the McMahons want, but unlike Cena, the dude has an interesting move set and style. He just seems more creative, more vicious, and his matches have more of a REAL feel to them. I'm also human. I love Daniel Bryan. They need to utilize the whole "GOAT FACE" thing by making it the "Greatest Of All Time" Acronym. That has money written all over it, but they're missing the boat. Due to Triple H and the McMahons getting involved in this storyline I've completely disconnected from it. I like watching both guys wrestle so the match should be good, but sadly the McMahon antics will take away from it. I have no problem with storyline advancement, but this one just doesn't work. Triple H is not showing ANY vulnerability. When Daniel Bryan snaps on him, will Triple H sell it like McMahon sold Austin's stunner? Doubtful. I don't care who wins if we get a real match out of the two, but you just know there will be shenanigans. Orton retains.
For some reason RVD is taking on Alberto Del Rio for the World Title. This could be a really good match if they get the time to tell the story. I think their styles complement each other nicely so far and this could be a sleeper match. I'd think Del Rio's run is going to go on longer than this, but I think RVD is going to get the surprise win thanks to Ricardo-ference. So yeah, Rob Van Dam is the NEW World Champion. But then does Damien Sandow cash in on RVD? Hmmm… Interesting….
I wish Paul Heyman's guy was no Curtis Axel because the Heyman/Punk break up is BEING WASTED. This storyline has tons of potential and interest, but Curtis Axel just doesn't have any stage presence. He is a very talented wrestler, looks the part, and has everything going for him. The problem is that he doesn't demand attention. Punk wins because he needs to, but there's gotta be more to this. In a perfect world, Heyman would start a long run of "calling in favors" where old "Heyman guys" show up to fight Punk. This could be ECW people, Dangerous Alliance people, and then new protégé's. That would be a lot of fun.
The match I'll most likely skip is the Fatal Four Way for the Divas Title. It's nothing personal, but these matches just don't do it for me. If I'm in a rush to watch a show on fast forward, the Diva match is always a victim of the skip. The weird thing is that I like AJ's character work when she's not cutting promos with CM Punk's vocal tone, Naomi might be my favorite female wrestler on the roster, Natalya is always solid, and the Bella is just there. I can't see this match not being a big cluster. I'd image they'll get like 6 minutes to work a match and then at the 7 minute mark the women for the reality show or other divas come in and mess it all up. I suppose AJ retains, but in a perfect world Natalya or Naomi would get a chance to run with it.
Those are the only four matches as I wrote this. I know that won't last. I'd expect to see Dolph Ziggler vs. Dean Ambrose added to the card. If so, that'll be the match I'll want to see the absolute most. I'm tired of Ziggler losing, but I don't want him to take Ambrose's US Title. Ambrose is an awesome champion with some good life left in his run and Ziggler SHOULD be in the World Title picture at least. I'm sure the Wyatt Family, The Shield, and other regulars will be on the show as well. It'll all be there. I just don't think anything too spectactular is going to happen to make it worth dropping over have a bill on.
Where Are They Now? The Kanye/Swift Incident
Four Years Later… On September 13th, 2009 one of the most awkward award show moments went down in music history. Instead of the normal format of announcing the nominees, revealing the winner, and then the winner accepting the award with some speech things got a little strange.
Of course I'm talking about "The Incident" at the MTV VMAs where pop country star Taylor Swift's acceptance speech was interrupted by hip hop bad boy Kanye West. I don't even have to get into the details of it, but I probably will before this is said and done.
You just know it. Unless you lived under a rock, you got a full dose of the fallout from "the incident". It was on talk shows, online, and it was even on the news. The same news that tells us if we're going to war, if schools are cancelled, and what the weather is going to be like in seven days. People just could not shut up about it.
There has been four years distance between now and that faithful night. Today I want to take a detailed look back in retrospect. We'll look back, laugh, nit-pick, and use hindsight to dissect this infamous event. I'm not bias towards either party so the gloves will be off. I don't find either one of them all that entertaining or talented. I did like Kanye's earlier stuff, but he's just not my thing anymore as a person or an artist.
Hopefully by the end of this we'll have a full grasp on who was the real victim, what roles everyone involved played, and if this was one of the biggest ruses in modern celebrity. There are a lot of little inane details to take into consideration.
This is a discussion about a boring pop star not getting along with another boring pop star so it's up to US to have some fun with it. So I recommend dusting off the old light brown Colombo trench coat, get your Veronica Mars stun get set on "Logan Echoes", and pull out your obnoxiously big magnifying glass because we're investigating "the incident" once again. It's been four years since Kanye was going to "let us finish" and Taylor Swift was treated like the biggest victim in music since Tina Turner… but where are they NOW?
This is one dude's take on all of this crap…
I want to preface with a bit of reality before I go down this rabbit hole. Before the incident, things were pretty much awesome for both of these millionaire pop performers. Despite any personal issues they may have had at the time, they were surely better off than 99.9% of the rest of the world. We have to ignore the obvious bizarreness of celebrity and pretend this situation is socially relevant because at the end of the day these two are still millionaire pop performers.
Kanye West had a reputation for "antics" long before September 9th, 2009. Kanye West was already outspoken and bold with his tomfooleries. He had that whole "George Bush hates black people" thing at the Katrina benefit and he was consistently known to throw "hissy fits" when he didn't win awards that he insisted he deserved. Kanye West basically played the role of the bad guy from jump street. He plays it off like he's a "misunderstood artist", but the dude knows what he's doing. He pulls strings and did this nonsense to gain attention and coverage. At this point, I was still a fan of his. Being a fan of professional wrestling I could appreciate the "heel heat" he was generating for himself. And besides, the older stuff was some inspired and great albums.
Taylor Swift was apparently doing awesome for herself. At the time I was just as deep into music as I am now, but I had somehow managed to avoid her. I knew her name. I knew a little about her like she was a young lovable country pop princess. That's just not my thing so while I was aware of her, I purposely made myself naïve to her popularity and general output. I honestly couldn't pick her out of a line-up at this point. Despite millions sold, viewed, and loved she was just not on my radar. I know for a fact that I wasn't alone in this non-Taylor Swift living reality. It was a simpler time. ii. THE INCIDENT
Swift just won the Best Female Video award for "You Belong with Me". She was bright eyed and played the bashful doe in headlights role perfectly. She had that "delightfully baffled" look that a lot of people put on when they win an award on one of these things. She was going to get into her acceptance speech, but out of nowhere Kanye West makes a run in!
Kanye snatches her mic and drops the famous outburst, "Yo, Taylor, I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but Beyoncé had one of the best videos of all time. One of the best videos of all time!"
At that point, Kanye handing the mic back leaving Taylor Swift speechless on stage. That was that. People were shocked and outraged! It's said that she was "hysterically crying" backstage while West would be "removed from the remainder of the show". iii. THE INITIAL BACKLASH
I'm fairly certain, not 100%, that I've also heard the following at least once:
-"Kanye West pissed in the breakfast cereal of America!"
-"Kanye West hates women!"
-"Kanye West thought slavery was a good idea!"
-"Kayne West punched an orphanage!"
-"Kanye West steals the soul of every camera that takes his picture!"
All of the world's problems and issues were put on hold for a few days as the world rallied against Kanye West. He became public enemy number one. Outside of dictators and terrorists, Kanye had to be the most hated person out there for a while. The problem is that I don't think people were so much coming to the defense of Swift, but just looking for a reason to be hateful towards the easy hate-target that is Kanye West. If Kanye West had gone on stage and interrupted Rihanna does anyone think this would have been an issue? Do you think the country music community would have given two shits? Nope. On the surface it's a clean case of someone being an asshole, but the natural reaction of it DOES have some "race issues" involved. It's inevitable. But that was just part of it.
Lots of people got on their white horse. Awesome people like Dane Cook, Adam Lambert, Ryan Seacrest, Joel Madden, Pink, and Donald Trump all took time out of their lives to make their thoughts known on "the incident". Even the President of the United States of America, Barack Obama was caught off record calling Kanye West "a jackass". It didn't stop with him. Jimmy Carter even had thoughts on it.
Kanye would put a blog out to apologize and then take it down. He showed up on Leno the next day and made a public apology. A few days later she was on The View and explained what was going on in her head as it happened.
Shortly after, Kanye reached out and personally contacted her to apologize again. Taylor Swift said she accepted.
So you'd think it'd be over, right?
HA! iv. MOVING ON
Like anything that happens that is of note, the incident would be run into the ground. The Kanye "imma' let you finish" meme was all over. Tons of people passed that around. It was fun for a minute. It was up there with the Charlie Sheen "Winning!" stuff from a few years back. It became part of the pop culture vernacular; right up there with the Macarena and raver pants. SNL went right at it, Eminem brought it up in a song, talk shows recycled puns about it, award shows would make it fair game for a good year, and the milking of it would never EVER go away.
A year later, conveniently around time for the 2010 VMAs, Swift would perform the song "Innocent". It's said to be about Kanye West and the whole incident. It was SUPER deep and emotional. Even more so when compared to her other big performances. All of the stress in the world, the random break ups she had, and all of that didn't get to her on this level. Apparently, being interrupted on an award show REALLY screwed her up. At least that's how it's perceivable with that kind of "emotion".
Later on that year, West would pretty much take it all back and stick to his original stance. He defended himself as being "selfless" and still felt Beyoncé's album was better. I think Kanye was genuinely concerned about her feelings until he realized how things really were. He claimed that, "If I wasn't drunk, I would have been on stage longer ... Taylor never came to my defense at any interview. And rode the waves and rode it and rode it". He also made a point that I'd agree with 100%. He felt that his interruption caused Swift to "have 100 magazine covers and sell a million first week". That's the perception I had about this as well. Until "the incident", Taylor Swift was not on my radar.
Everyone seemed to have gotten it off their chest. The attention for it was gone. Both Swift's Speak Now and West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy were successful and properly marketed. Swift would on to new boyfriend problems and Kanye moved on to becoming a Kardashian. Things seemed to be "done" as the two would meet again face to face at a red carpet. They wouldn't really speak in public, they exchanged this sly "down low" high five. What was that? Was it a sign of peace? A wink at their ruse? A show of respect among celebrity? It's not worth caring too much about. It was just a nice relief that "the incident" could FINALLY be put to rest. v. WHERE ARE THEY NOW
Both have moved on in their lives. New albums, new experiences, and new relationships have seemingly put the whole 2009 thing finally to rest. When people talk about Kanye West these days it's because of his love life with Kim Kardashian, a "controversial" baby name, and a new critically acclaimed album.
Or so we thought.
Just this past July the can of worms was cracked open again. Taylor Swift would be nominated for two MTV VMA awards. She took to twitter to post, "Two VMA nominations!! If you vote and get us one, I promise to keep a firmer grip on the mic this time ;)"
I don't think she meant any harm by the little joke. It was a cut and innoce… wait, "innocent"? INNOCENT? Whoa! Innocent my ass! It's hard to really consider her to be "innocent" anymore. She seems to harp on thing a little as she puts her relationships and experiences blankly into her music. It's not she's using life and turning into a creative metaphor. It really feels like she's using fabricated drama as a paint-by-numbers career format.
It doesn't end there. Two days after Taylor's tweet a "leak" of a "private conversation" from 2009 showed up. The tape has West going off on racial stuff, stuff about his mother, crap about Pink, and tons of outrageous nonsense. The strange thing is that no one seems to be shocked. Some people even suspect that West's camp "leaked" it themselves for attention. I don't know about that, but it's an interesting concept. Then again, you couldn't write this shit.
The Kanye West "shock factor" is gone. I wonder if he's going to go to some kind of social rehab to hang out with people like Eminem, Marilyn Manson, Charlie Sheen, Rush Limbaugh, and Dennis Rodman. He's still an amazing artist, but if he wants to continue to get a rise out of people he's going to have to get really creative.
It's only a matter of time before Swift's shelf life fades as well. She has the benefit of being young so she'll continue to have success, but it'll have to eventually teeter off. Female pop stars, especially country ones, seem to ride off into the limelight fairly often. She'll have to transition, like REALLY transition into something new. I'm not talking about a new haircut and a meaner look. She's going to have to reinvent herself and I have my doubts she'll be able to pull it off. I've been wrong before though. vi. WHAT'S TO COME
I think everyone needs to just take a look in the mirror, admit their faults, hug each other, and for the love of all that is holy make my dream come true. If Swift and West got together and did a cover of Blondie's "Rapture" the world would be fixed.
For some reason I saw this movie as a kid. I think this was one of the movies that HBO, Showtime, or some other early cable channel showed over and over again back in the early 90's. It's a British comedy starting Eric Idle and Robbie Coltrane. It's a hilarious movie, but it's easily a hard R movie. There is a lot of "naughtiness" in it, which feels even more taboo considering the story. Idle and Coltrane play two criminals who steal a lot of money from the mob. They get in over their heads and end up at a local convent. They end up having to dress up like nuns to hide. So they have to pretend to be nuns, hide their indemnities, worry about the mob, there's a love story in there, and lots of laughs. There is a weird tone to the movie. It's edgy and kind of brass compared to what you'd expect. First off, it's really well written, the score is awesome, and the acting rocked. Idle and Coltrane pull off something really close to what Steve Martin and John Candy did, but maybe even funnier. Definitely edgier. The jokes are smart and there is some interesting crime stuff going on. I wonder if the idea for Whoopi Goldberg's "Sister Act" had anything to do with this movie. Replace young naked women with young singing women, swap two brits for one black woman…and bam! The plot is the same! I like both for different reasons, but it's still a little strange. I think at my current age, I'd say that THIS movie is something I'd rather pour a drink to and check out again. The American comes out in me when I say I was shocked by the casual and not so casual nudity in the movie. Maybe I should be more shocked that I watched this movie at the age of 10. That's probably why it stood out to much to me. The humor was there, but there is no way I understood 1/10th of what was going on in this movie at that age. I just knew two funny foreign guys were pretending to be nuns and occasionally I'd see a naked woman. The days of early cable were awesome. If you ever get a chance, watch this movie… with parental guidance! B+
"Worst Case Scenario" is a new take on the concept of "fantasy booking". For years professional wrestling fans would spend endless hours of thinking up the coolest things that could happen. Why waste the energy? This only leads to high expectations. "Worst Case Scenario" flips that. Instead of looking through rose colored glasses, let's take a bi-weekly look at the worst possible scenarios in professional wrestling. I'm not going to be malicious or anything too mean, but I will not refrain from letting my brain come up with the worst possible shit I can. Sadly, it seems the writers and producers of mainstream TV wrestling and the mainstream iPPV level indies are doing the same thing but charging us for it. And now…
" Fan Interaction Goes Wild!"
The WWE has been hard up for being "interactive" and having their collective finger on the pulse of social media. They're always kind of late to the game, but when they get on board they hammer it into the ground. WWE has annoyed us with Twitter, Tout, YouTube, etc. Some people cry about it and take too much of their life to bitch about an announcer on a wrestling show plugging something more than they'd like. Kids, grow up. Real men don't bitch about things like that. They make it a drinking game!
With their recent efforts at being contemporary they have their "APP" now. They're trying REALLY hard to be interactive and get everyone on board. They have a lot of fan voting segments to pick opponents for people, pick match types, and all sorts of randomness. It still feels like a work, but I appreciate the efforts. The problem is on the horizon.
WWE WILL, without a doubt, hammer this shit into the ground. I had a horrible thought that the WWE will go overboard with "fan interaction". I loved "Cyber Tuesday" and "Cyber Sunday", but this will go bad.
Imagine the WWE letting the fans have COMPLETE interaction. Random lucky fans will get to COMMENTATE the matches via live streaming! We'd all love to hear teenage stupid asses try to call matches. Kids screaming. Shout outs to grade school classmates. Music in the background. Weird "call in show" feedback. It'd be GREAT, right?
And why stop there? Let's let the fans REF the matches via tout and live stream! The fans at home have to count three! We know that'll work out juuuuust fine, right?
Maybe the WWE shouldn't let the fans be anything more than fans. It's worked this long….
This movie stars both Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Twenty or so years ago, that sentence would result in minds being blown. Now it results in an eye roll and a sigh. I like both guys and want to see them perform. I'd just like to see them perform more "age appropriate" movies. Why is this movie being made? It's sad seeing old action stars and old movie heroes embarrass themselves as old men. At least in movies like "Tin Men", the older actors would go with their age and make it part of the story. Here they address "age" and move on to the action crap. I don't care what these character's motives are. I don't care if they escape jail. It's not just their age. That's a weird part of it, but we're all just worn out by these movies. How many paint by number action movies have these guys made million off of? The times have changed, you'd think they would too.
That's all for now! I spent most of the week with a sinus thing. I really feel like my head has been in the clouds lately. Luckily, I'm anal retentive and have a "schedule" and "routine" to lean on. Somehow during this week of sick, I've still managed to have a full on productive week. There is still never enough time. Next week I'm starting to go balls out with TWO two-part Top 20 lists. I'll be looking at the "Top 20 Frontmen Under 40" and the "Top 20 Non-Music Rockstars". In the meantime, I'm planning out the column list for the rest of the year. Ideas? Throw them my way! We'll see! Until next time… Have a Great Week!