411 Music Fact or Fiction 12.06.13: You Be Thor And I'll Be Odin
Posted by Joseph Lee on 12.06.2013
Did we enjoy Eminem's latest music video? Should Miley Cyrus be Time's Person of the Year? Are we excited about a potential Kanye West album next year? 411's Chad Webb and Stewart Lange debate these topics and more!
Welcome to another edition of Fact or Fiction: Music. I'm your host, Joseph Lee.
This week we have Chad Webb against Stewart Lange.
I have ranted and raved in this column before about my indifference towards music videos, but if we can rely on anyone to give us something inventive and memorable, it's Eminem. Most music videos are lazily produced and seem to be made just to be made. Eminem commonly goes out of his way to deliver an interesting short film/story that also emphasizes his tunes. In this he portrays Max Headroom, which is funny, but there's also plenty to look at elsewhere in the video as various images come across the TV. He also incorporates other neat effects. Would I watch it again? I'm not sure. I like the track and will probably just stick to popping in the CD. Still, I did enjoy this video enough to say "Fact" here.
Stewart Lange: FACT.
Yeah, I do enjoy Eminem's videos and this one was no exception. The song is cool, the video is cool and it's a big return to form from Mathers, in my own opinion. As you say, he dresses up like Max Headroom and if that's not awesome, I really don't know what is.
It definitely would. I'm sure there are numerous people out there that would like to see Genesis in concert and possibly record new music. Personally, I would rather see Phil in concert solo. I already saw Genesis years ago when they reunited and it was outstanding. I've never seen Phil on his own though so that's the one I need to cross off the list. Still, Phil Collins returning to music in any way is a positive thing. He's a legend whose music only gets better with age and the world can only benefit from having him still contributing.
Not for me, but I know loads of people who would. I've never been a fan of Genesis and I think Phil Collins is an asshole, to be honest. I'm not sure where they'd fit back in outside of doing a greatest hits tour for nostalgia reasons, but you just never know.
I'm not sure I understand this statement at all. Sex has always been in music videos of all sorts and likely always will be. Of course you will have people complaining that certain videos are offensive or too explicit in some form, but all it will be is whining because we watch the videos on the internet now. TV barely airs them, if at all. You can complain about too much sex all you want, but people will still find a way to see them. I'm not sure how old the saying is, but if you've ever heard the phrase "sex sells," you'll know that sex in pop videos, rock videos, or whatever will be continuing to thrive for the foreseeable future. That is what gets viewers to check out your product. You don't have to like it, but you do have to live with it. Ain't no stoppin' this train!
Stewart Lange: FACT.
Indeed it is not. It's been going on for so long (Madonna, Chris Isaac, eh, Sir Mixalot), even since the 80's and the "dawn" of the music video that of course it isn't going to stop. Not when you look at what we currently get from the likes of Miley and co., anyway.
I really don't mind, to be honest. I'm not a Kanye fan in any way and didn't even bother with Yeezus so I'll pass.
Chad Webb: FICTION.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the music Kanye West puts out. He can be called a lot of things, but he is one talented individual who pushes the envelope and is brave with his sound. That being said, because he is a supreme douchebag (who just happens to be getting married to another douchebag), if he stopped making music today, I wouldn't care. He's not as important as he says he is and if he retired, others would step up. When it comes to movies and music, I generally try to ignore the public persona of the artist if what they make is good, but there are exceptions of course. Because Kanye West constantly reminds us why we should dislike him, as a result, new music from him is never a priority for me. When it is released, I will listen to it, but you won't see me doing a countdown or waiting on the edge of my seat for it either. Yeezus is a good album, and I'm sure Kanye has plenty of creativity left, in my mind the way he carries himself will affect his legacy in the long run.
I actually preferred it to their last album. I'm of the mind that the real spirit of QOTSA left the band with Nick, but Like Cologne is extremely likeable. I heard it on Youtube rather than Spotify, but if you are, or were, a Queens fan, it's worth checking out.
Chad Webb: FACT.
Sure, I enjoyed it for what it was. What is most exciting is that Spotify is now releasing exclusive material ala iTunes. This was only three songs, so you wouldn't see me buying it if Spotify actually did sell it, but I gave it a listen because I like Queens of the Stone Age (not to mention acoustic versions of songs). Incidentally, the band also released an EP for iTunes this year, which I haven't heard yet. The only other official live material from them was a DVD/CD combo from 2005 that is not available on Spotify, so because live music from Queens is not everywhere, this little EP was a welcomed treat.
By the time you read this, will she not have potentially won the poll? Not sure. Remember when they removed Mick Foley from the poll when it looked like he was going to win it? Miley Cyrus winning Person of the Year will be worse than when "YOU" won it.
Chad Webb: FICTION.
Ok, bear with me. First of all, this is open for voting via social media, so what can you do? This is who people are voting for. Secondly, Time reserves the right to choose who they want, so I'd be surprised if Miley actually graces the cover. Yes, I'm sure her fans are helping this along, but they can't be the only ones. Look at the facts, love her or hate her, Miley Cyrus has been one of the top pieces of news and gossip in 2013. To that end, what does "Person of the Year" mean? Does this equate to "someone who everyone loves and has only done positive things for society"? As I peruse the list, which has been going since 1927, I can say that it is not always a person that is unanimously adored by the world. The other two people in the running: Egyptian Defense Minister Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Is there someone else who should take this title? Sure, but Miley Cyrus did make a hell of an impact this year whether anyone likes it or not and that's why she's getting votes. Personally, I don't pay much attention to Time Magazine's "Person of the Year," so this doesn't bother me either way. I think people who are upset by this are confusing a "Person of the Year" with someone everyone loves. That's not how it's selected. What's funny is that if you look at the list of people who have received this title, it is 99% politicians and business people. And now Miley Cyrus?
Score Card: 4 for 6
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