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411 Music Top 5 07.22.08: Top 5 Punk Bands
Posted by Blake Lauderback on 07.22.2008




Good day ladies and gents, and welcome to another rousing round of musical banter here at The Music Zone Top 5.

Before we jump into this week's lists, I am proud to take this opportunity to announce last week's winner of the reader's poll… Mr. Dan Haggerty!!! 411's own Master of Metal took home our first ever prize, but never fear, the polls open up again today as you have the chance to vote for your favorite writer's list! (And frankly, since last week was the first ever, the rest of us have plenty of room left in the win column.) Dan was unable to join us this week for the Top 5, as I hear he is still recovering from quite the vacation in Sin City. Here's hoping he will be back in the flock next week so that he may gloat about… I mean… enjoy this honor.




Now, it is time to spike up your hair, paint your nails black, shove a safety pin through your nose, and go all out in preparation for the Top 5 Punk Bands ever! Everybody ready to fight the establishment and declare anarchy? Sweet… (Hey, Ho!) let's go.




The Top 5 Punk Bands of All Time


Rob Samuels
[Random contributor and occasional reviewer]

HONORABLE MENTIONS: Siouxie and the Banshees, Green Day, Patti Smith, Rancid, Bad Religion, The Damned, Black Flag.

5. The Misfits - After an awful lot of deliberation I have placed The Misfits in fifth place, but it could easily have been any one of the above Honorable mentions in this space. Like many of the acts listed above, The Misfits were able to twist traditional Punk, mixing it with multiple genres to create a new style. Dubbed "Horror Punk" the bands elaborate stage gear and heavier approach to song-writing has inspired artists as broad as Metallica, Rob Zombie, Marilyn Manson, and even The Chili Peppers. Because of their undeniable influence and image The Misfits make my list.

4. Iggy Pop (and The Stooges) No list of "Top Punk artists" would be complete without Mr. I. Pop, or "The Godfather of Punk" as he is known. His wild stage antics and legendary attitude make him more than a Punk legend - he is a Rock & Roll icon. The Stooges, (Iggy Pop's inaugural band) were a major stepping stone towards the creation of Punk. Warping the sounds of The Velvet Underground and earlier Mod bands like The Who, The Kinks and The Small Faces, The Stooges unintentionally became the first real "Punk" band.

3. Sex Pistols - Arguably the most famous Punk band (certainly this side of the Atlantic), The Pistols were Punk attitude personified. Seemingly more interested in their image than music, The Sex Pistols made a huge impact on the Punk scene. The middle classes of England were genuinely threatened by The Pistols Anarchic attitude. Add in their publicity stunts like saying "Fuck" on live TV, and playing "God Save the Queen" on the River Thames created a huge buzz around the band. Although they only released one album, Never Mind the Bollocks... Here's The Sex Pistols is a cracking Punk Rock record.

2.The Clash - The Clash were one of the first bands to take the raw aggression of traditional Punk and combine it with other genres to create completely new styles. Surely the most innovative Punk band, The Clash borrowed the soulful rhythms of Reggae and Ska and adopted them into their music. Their ingenuity helped open the doorway for acts like The Police, Ian Dury and The Blockheads, and Elvis Costello, and later, the likes of Madness and NOFX to rock the music industry.

1. Ramones - The Ramones were one of the major pioneers of the New York Punk scene in the early 70's. The bands two-minute blasts of simply structured and powerful music instantly set them apart from their more elaborate contemporaries. The Ramones looked different, acted different and sounded different - neatly summing up the whole Punk mentality and refusing to conform.

As recording artists, The Ramones self-titled debut is arguably the greatest Punk album of all time - and their longevity is almost unrivaled in the genre. You cannot deny how influential a band The Ramones were, inspiring many imitators, including most famously Malcolm McClaren who was struck by their clothing and attitude enough to rush back to London and set up The Sex Pistols. The rest is history.






Jesse Coy
[Starship Exile]

5. The Misfits - from the horror punk of B-movie creatures and things that go bump, to a chorus of zombies calling out for brains, to the darker hardcore drive of the material they issued right before Glenn moved on to Samhain, the Misfits are great punk originals. Call it blasphemy, but I even appreciate some of the post-Glenn tunes.

4. Bad Brains - Representing the East Coast punk scene, these guys are still producing some great material, entirely unique, with their blend of punk and reggae. Like many great punk bands, they've had their fair share of controversy. Some of it is chronicled in their classic, Banned in DC. They inspired their fair share of acts, producing an excellent catalogue of material over the years.

3. The Ramones - I am so glad to have seen them on rwo separated occasions, because they left us so quickly, one after another! Joey, Dee-Dee, and finally Johnny. (In a most un-Spinal Tap way, all of the drummers survived.) Sure, Iggy Pop deserves credit, but really, it was The Ramones that were the "Johnny Appleseed" figures of American Punk, going over to the U.K., and inspiring nearly all of the famous punk acts that you can think of to pick up a guitar and hammer away at it! So many albums, so many great tunes. Sorely missed.

2. The Clash - The Sex Pistols may have had the look, posture, and the hype, but The Clash were the real thing. And they expanded their sound, incorporating Dub and Ska elements, just to name a few styles, because for them, what was really "punk" was not a sound, but rebelling against the norms, even if that meant breaking down the walls and barriers in what was becoming a stodgy and stagnant scene, punk in the early 80's. Always remember, "Rudie Can't Fail!"

1. The Dead Kennedys - It started in America, and my list ends in America. To me, punk meant most of what this act represented. Thinking, rebellion, intelligent social criticism, satire, and a challenge to the system. They ran their own label in the 80's, Alternative Tentacles, and despite the later problems that ensued between Jello and his other former band mates, nothing can take away their classic punk tracks, from "Holiday in Cambodia" and "MTV Get Off the Air," to "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" and "Moon Over Marin.






James Palm
[Reviewer, Listmaker]

HONORABLE MENTION: The Clash, The Saints, The Misfits, Black Flag, The Stooges. Punk died in 1985.

5. Sex Pistols - They certainly weren't the first. There were plenty of albums released before 1977 that were and would come to be known as punk. But the Sex Pistols made punk their policy, they paved the way for what punk would become; anti-establishment, socio-political, and angry as hell. The exploits of their second bassist and the ironic reunions have sullied their legacy to some extent, but that one solitary record still packs a punch. Best Album = Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols

4. Bad Religion - As if picking up from where the Pistols left off, 1981 saw the first release from California's Bad Religion. Did you read that? 1981. Longevity for punk bands is difficult, especially when you run out of ways to say "The government totally sucks". But this is an intellectual band - frontman Greg Graffin himself is a professor of life sciences at UCLA - and Bad Religion have maintained the rage louder and better than any other punk band of the last two decades. Their sound influenced the neo-punk of the 90's, but they remain the last great punk band. Best Album = Against The Grain

3. The Ramones - Perhaps the first purveyors of the theory that all you need to make a song is three chords. The very idea of punk is represented by the "brothers" Ramone. Ball-tearing speed. Mindless content. Rebellious appearance (at the time). They thought the music world was filled with bloated rock stars taking themselves far too seriously. So the group decided to strip their songs down to bare minimums, and helped start a revolution. Unfortunately, once the 80's hit, the quality dropped off. A lot. But for half a decade they were the best punk band going. Best Album = Rocket To Russia

2. Minutemen - It's hard to find ways this band could be any more punk. Years before it was a novelty, the Minutemen churned out albums containing 20 odd blasts of minute-long anthems. Their lyrical content ranged from serious political commentary (" Viet Nam ") to not-so-serious political commentary ("Political Song For Michael Jackson To Sing") to discerning anecdotes ("Shit You Hear At Parties"). They kept to a DIY attitude: set up your own tours, drive your own van, play every night, record cheaply, etc. The burgeoning career of the Minutemen was cut tragically short in 1985 when frontman D. Boon was killed in a car accident. It was an omen itself to the death of punk. Best Album = The Politics Of Time

1. Dead Kennedys - When you say punk, people think fast and angry music. They think socio-political subject matter. They think wild concerts. And so when you say punk, I think of Dead Kennedys. Exploding out of San Fran in 1979 and lead by the greatest frontman in the history of punk rock, one Jello Biafra, DKs took the scene by storm. Their output was sensational; 5 albums in 6 years. Jello ran for mayor of San Fran (he came fourth). They were brought to trial for "distribution of harmful matter to minors" by including an H.R. Giger painting in their liner notes. One of their finest songs championed rioting against the police. Another accused Jesus of being a terrorist. They even had the balls to berate their own fans in "Nazi Fucks Fuck Off". They are also responsible for the most punk act in history. At an award ceremony in 1980, the band chose to interrupt their own performance of "California Uber Alles" and instead played "Pull My Strings", a vicious anti-commerical song in which Jello asks if his cock is big enough and his brain small enough to be a star. It was the sole performance of the song. In short, they were THE punk band. Best Album = Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables







Blake Lauderback
[Ask 411 Music, Reviewer]

HONORABLE MENTION: MC5, The Misfits, Joy Division, and Bad Religion

DISCLAIMER: I'd like to go on record as saying that I absolutely cannot stand The Sex Pistols. I am not sure that any other band in history has reached such ridiculous levels of notoriety for doing less. They had one album… ever… and frankly, I think it was crap. Somehow, these jackasses parlayed their one-trick pony album into the annals of rock history, and into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame itself. So, what do these hacks do when their band is enshrined with the likes of the true greats in the industry? They turn their nose up at the occasion, as if it is beneath them somehow. Suits me I suppose, as they shouldn't be allowed admittance even if they paid for admission.

5. Television - Not all punk music has to be stripped down, three chord rock. Television brought the dual guitar into the world of punk rock, and despite the fact that they had a small, but cult like following, they managed to influence countless acts that followed them. Their style drew from the typical punk influences like The Velvet Underground, but also from more unlikely sources such as surf-rockers The Ventures and San Fran's own, The Grateful Dead.

4. Green Day - I know many of you out there, including several of my colleagues, consider punk dead and buried by the early 80's, refusing to acknowledge the genre's resurgence in the late 80's and early 90's. I personally don't believe that we can continue to turn a blind eye to the success of Green Day. As teens, the boys from Green Day were stereotypical punk rockers on a scene that was buzzing once more on the underground. When the band released their major label debut, Dookie, the doors were flung open for a new generation of punk rockers to tap into the psyche of the American Youth once more. It is a shame that many of their fan's were so short sighted, because any true believer of the punk mentality should be able to see that Green Day didn't shun their fans, but rather did whatever they wanted to, whenever they wanted to. After all, is their anything more punk than that?

3. The Clash - Now please don't take my previous remarks about The Sex Pistols to mean that I hate the British Punk scene, as that is not the case. I believe that The Clash are very deserving of all that they have received, and that they should take some from Johnny Rotten while they are at it. The Clash took the style of the U.K. infused punk, mastered it, and then moved forward, expanding the genre with every move they made. Plus, "Should I Stay or Should I Go" is a true classic punk anthem.

2. Iggy Pop and The Stooges - Many fans seem unaware these days that Iggy Pop used to make Ozzy Osbourne look like a freaking monk at times. Where Ozzy was weird and creepy, Iggy was just a damn loon on stage… passionate, energetic, and filled with rage. The Stooges can barely be considered punk by the usual definition, but their work laid the groundwork for all of these other bands to follow. While punk roots aren't as evident in their early work, which was much more avant garde than some of their later material, the genre might never have existed without these maniacs.

1. The Ramones - The thing that endures these guys to me (other than their name being a tribute to one of my beloved Beatles) is that they have an outstanding sense of humor. Sure, they had the political and social commentary that was required to be considered a punk band, but they often did so with brilliant tongue in cheek sarcasm, that to me is infinitely more effective than the screams of "anarchy" from some of their contemporaries. Classic tunes by these incognito rockers that have woven themselves into the consciousness of the masses include "Blitzkrieg Bop," "I Wanna Be Sedated," "Teenage Lobotomy," and "The KKK Took My Baby Away." The kings of the three chord punk tune are the undeniable champs here in my eyes.






That is it your dirty little punk rockers, and I am just a little saddened that no one included Avril Lavigne or New Found Glory. Just kidding! I don't want you all to crucify me for making a joke the way you all did poor Jesse last week when he jokingly included Spinal Tap on his metal list before giving his true answer of Black Sabbath. From some of his responses you would think that he had just told an orphanage that their wasn't a Santa Claus or something.

Next week we will be taking on the Top 5 Progressive Rock Bands ever, so tune and drop out, and we will try to keep the 20 minute keyboard solos to a minimum.

Don't forget to drop me a line and vote for your favorite writer / list!

Until next time, defy the establishment... or whatever.





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No Operation Ivy ?

Posted By: Punk D (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 12:47 AM

 
 
Dead Kennedys are the best, but the Ramones and The Clash are the most influential...Sex Pistols are the most overrated and Bad Religion is the most underrated.

Posted By: I equal ratings (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 01:00 AM

 
 
Green Day = sugar-coated punk-lite for the kids

Posted By: Guest#3405 (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 02:55 AM

 
 
Thank god someone actually agrees with me that The Sex Pistols are one of the most overated bands ever. They made one awful album with only two tracks(Anarchy In The Uk & God Save The Queen) that anyone seems to care about.

Posted By: Rob (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 04:37 AM

 
 
no minor threat..too much sex pistols.. at least bad religion made it

Posted By: jebus (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 08:17 AM

 
 
Fugazi

Posted By: Guest#9185 (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 08:41 AM

 
 
Blake Lauderback is automatically disqualified for listing greenday,(Johnny Rotten himself calls them "PLUNK" not punk) clearly he does not realize that punk is not about monetery successs and colored hair it is about expression. Plus if you look at what greenday has done it ussually comes like 6 months after NOFX does it first and better!

Posted By: ERX (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 08:49 AM

 
 
I'm glad people gave the Kennedy's the respect they deserve when most people these days don't have a clue who they are and it's a shame.

I'm a big a fan of Iggy and the Stooges as anyone, but they are NOT punk. They are the ones who would INFLUENCE it just like the Who as it was mentioned. But they are not the first Punk band.

Fugazi or Minor Threat would have been a great addition especially if you take out the Ramones, who basically just cover old 50's songs.


Posted By: Apple (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 09:37 AM

 
 
I completely agree with Blake's disclaimer

The Sex Pistols = Most Overrated Band in history


Posted By: CK (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 09:48 AM

 
 
Only one Bad Religion mention? Heresy.

Posted By: Colin (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 09:53 AM

 
 
no screeching weasel?

Posted By: gtrey87 (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 09:54 AM

 
 
with all due respect, this article is complete crap.

Posted By: Guest#7019 (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 10:03 AM

 
 
The Ramones are by far the greatest punk band, and it's good to see the love for them. While I love Green Day, I have to agree with everyone who says that they are not punk. Their first few albums on Wind Up records were punkish, but by the time they hit major label, they were at the forefront of pop-punk. If we consider them punk, then we must also consider Whitesnake metal.

Posted By: Mr. C. (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 10:26 AM

 
 
UGH.... Jesse correct me if Im wrong and if so i would really like to know why ? but how did Punk start in America? by just about every article i have ever read about punk music everything i have ever heard says Punk started in Britain in the early 70's so can you please reiterate how it started in America ? The pistols i admit are completly overated and i truly believe the Ramones mastered the art of Punk but by all accounts Punk started in the UK

Posted By: Sketchy1 (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 10:58 AM

 
 
Damn, Black Flag got SCREWED!!

Honor: Vandals, Fugazi, Screeching Weasel, Buzzcocks, Descendents
5th : Misfits
4th : Clash
3rd : Black Flag
2nd : Ramones
1st : Dead Kennedys


Posted By: Krunchy (Registered)  on July 22, 2008 at 11:16 AM

 
 
Honorable: Bad Religion, Clash, Ramones, NY Dolls, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, Sex Pistols
Note: Have not listened to Minor Threat and can't stand Fugazi

5. 7 Seconds
4. X
3. Descendants
2.Refused
1.Dead Kennedys


Posted By: My List (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 11:27 AM

 
 
The fact that Dead Kennedys are mentioned so much and Social D is mentioned not at all makes this article a complete failure. Dead Kennedys are the most useless 'punk' band ever and every time you go to a show there's some total jagoff wearing that crappy t-shirt. He's the guy in the corner wearing indy glasses and saying everybody else isn't as cool as him because they're not as punk. He's the guy that is still all pissed that jocks didn't accept him in high school so he know does the reverse to everyone else.

Posted By: Guest#5629 (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 11:36 AM

 
 
why no gallows??

Posted By: Big dan (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 11:58 AM

 
 
By and large, these lists are very commercial, and aren't indicative of real punk...

except Dead Kennedys, they are at my top as well.

But The Clash belong with the Sex Pistols, in the "overrated" bin... seriously, the Clash was watered down punk... just barely retained any edge at all, enough for mindless buyers to classify it as punk, cuz it had the "image" (which was also watery).


Posted By: Ghostage (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 12:23 PM

 
 
Green Day doesn't belong on any list of "punk" bands. They are not punk, they are just punk influenced pop rock.

Posted By: Genre Nazi (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 12:23 PM

 
 
Black Flag owns all of your lists.

Posted By: MBD (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM

 
 
Sex Pistols are far more influential to the punk rock scene than The Clash, who were only punk until - latest - London Calling. The Clash were by far a better band but their influences - and influence - goes beyond punk. Pistols didn't have the musical output, they were all attitude.

Where are The Saints or to a lesser extent The Skids? One mention to one of the most important bands of the punk scene?

Oh, and Joy Division was not punk. There are several defining characteristics of punk and Ian Curtis didn't have them. They're a post-punk band, who were inarguably influential to music in the 80s but punk? No. It's only an honorable mention, but still.


Posted By: Guest#7169 (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 01:10 PM

 
 
What no DEADBOYS or UK SUBS?

Posted By: sludgerock (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 01:31 PM

 
 
I am suprised by the lack of Straight edge bands. Ian Mckay founded an entire genre of music and Minor Threat, Fugazi or Egghunt did not get a mention. Bad Brains used to OPEN for them back in the day(even though they are a great band in their own right.)

I am also perplexed at the omission of Black Flag.


Posted By: Stinyklicous (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 03:18 PM

 
 
This list is crap! You list the Ramones & the Sex Pistols but no mention of (insert other band name). I can't believe you can do a top five band list and leave out the 30 bands that I like better. Your definition of Punk is not right. Mine is. What pure garbage.

Posted By: Steve (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 05:14 PM

 
 
Since these lists are subjective, there's no sense in griping about who does/does not fit into the category of punk. We can all debate on the merits of what defines punk, and whether or not Green Day is "punk", until the cows come home but this all boils down to what we like to listen to. Since I didn't get my picks in, here's my short list:

HM-The Wipers, Radio Birdman, The Jam
5. The Buzzcocks
4. The Ramones
3. The Thermals
2. The Stooges
1. Hot Snakes/Drive Like Jehu


Posted By: Brian Berry (Registered)  on July 22, 2008 at 05:49 PM

 
 
Henry Rollins laughs at your lists.

Posted By: MBD (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 06:02 PM

 
 
No Minor Threat or Fugazi? Rubbish!!!!

Posted By: BK (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 06:03 PM

 
 
Misfits = a worse version of Kiss

Operation Ivy = very underated


Posted By: opp (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 06:36 PM

 
 
Finally, a subjective punk list. Yes, the Sex Pistols did a lot to popularise Punk music, but they released just one album and most of the stuff that they turned out was reactionary crap, truth be told. I have so much of an issue convincing people in this country that the only good thing the Sex Pistols ever did was playing the Free Trade Hall in '76 (and even then, only because they inspired two of my favorite bands and rejuvinated the Ramones).

Thanks also for recognising the work of Mr Danzig et al. While the Misfits did not embrace the political element of punk, they took the do it yourself atttitude and made something with it. If the Kennedys were one of the only punk band who could genuinely play their instruments (which they undoubtedly were), then Glen Danzig was the only punk frontman who could genuinely sing, in the conventional sense of the word.

By the way, Greenday, Offspring etc are not punk. They embrace neither the spirit nor the attitude of that genre. They are something else that the '90s music journalists were too lazy to name.

My list would be


Posted By: professorrev (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 07:20 PM

 
 
whats really funny, if you were a punk you wouldn't give a flying fuck about a list or where you were at on the list. Opinion kids, it's okay to have one and let others know, it's not okay to take someone else's opinion as the final say

Posted By: Kip (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 07:20 PM

 
 
sorry for the double post but Sketchy, as a Brit, I can definitely say that punk started in America. By whatever scale you use, the two bands recognised as the forefathers of the genre are either the Stooges, who started out in 1967, or the Ramones, who formed in 1974. The Sex Pistols did not form in any shape that we now now them until early 1976 and the first British punk song to be released was New Rose by the Damned, and that wasn't until the October of 1976. Punk may have been popularised in Britain, but it definitely started in America.

Posted By: professorrev (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 07:28 PM

 
 
No,

Blink 182 is punk influenced Pop Rock. Green Day is a legitimate band.

I'd go with Rob Samuels list as the best if this was a competition.


Posted By: Steveo (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 07:57 PM

 
 
Blake, you score major points for citing Television as one of your top five. No complaints from any of the posting - I think you guys covered the lot! Excellent job!

Posted By: JMAC (Guest)  on July 22, 2008 at 08:41 PM

 
 
Ah yes... another pointless all-time best punk band list... if only GG Allin was alive to read this and see that one guy picked Green Day... he probably kill that guy.

Posted By: Eggbert (Guest)  on July 23, 2008 at 03:06 PM

 
 
To James Palm: If you're going to pick the Dead Kennedys as your number one pick, the least you could do is get the title of their song right. It's not "Fucks" it's "Punks". I'm assuming that you don't even own the album. Which makes me wonder how you came to your conclusion of your picks.

Punk isn't dead... although the definition of it today has been "warped" beyond recognition. There are plenty of bands still playing good punk music, however, there are too many bands who label themselves punk because of how they look, but they are far from playing true punk rock music.


Posted By: Eggbert (Guest)  on July 23, 2008 at 04:57 PM

 


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