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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
The Democrats Are Taxing Your Power Bill… and That’s Okay For Now
Posted by J. Alexander Mitchell on 04.04.2009



Republicans have and continue to fight against a "Cap and Trade" system to reduce energy emissions . With the Senate leaving open the option to force the issue via the "reconciliation" process, it appears with each passing day that this potential revenue stream – with the bonus side effect of helping clean up our environment - will be used to help further the President's Energy Plan and balance a lot of the spending used to get the country out of debt. Of course, there is a huge drawback – higher electric bills for you.

Here is the question – is this a problem?


The cap and trade program works as follows (or, at least, as best as a non-scientist like myself understands): The government would set specific limits as to how much greenhouse emissions (i.e. the carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere from things like, say, using coal to create electricity) a given company can generate. A given company would be given a certain number of "credits" that can be "spent" to be allowed to… well, pollute more. If a company can stay under environmentally friendly standards, nothing really changes, and, in fact, they may "re-sell" their credits for a profit. Conversely, if a company is over the limit, they can either reduce their carbon emissions or buy credits from a company that isn't using them.

Here is where your electric bill gets hit: In order to buy the credits, they must spend more money beyond the amount spent on typical work. Of course, they are not simply going to eat the loss to their profit margin, so the price gets passed on to the consumer. Ergo, you end up with a higher power bill. Note that this applies to any company that generates greenhouse emissions, but I'm limiting the discussion to power companies for the purposes of direct impact on the consumer. I'm also glossing over the fact that a large amount of the revenue generated by this will go to offsetting the costs on the consumer, as the main vehicle presented for this, the "Making Work Pay" program, does not directly address this increased cost.

So, if we know that these laws will increase the electric bills on the average American – the 95% of people that were supposed to see their taxes go down as a result of President Obama's plans – why is it even a possibility that this may be okay?

In my adopted state of Texas, there is a company called Green Mountain Energy. Green Mountain Energy specializes, as you can guess from the name, in generating renewable energy. The prices are fairly comparable to current competitors; their all-wind plan is just a touch higher than a rival company, and their 85% Water / 15% Wind plan is a touch lower than the same rival company.

I don't know if this is a publicly traded company, but as soon as I finish writing this, I'm going to see if it is. It is about to make a lot of money.

This is the nature of why I question how much of a problem this will be. Conservative thinking states that the market will be able to balance itself through competition. Those companies that generate few emissions or none at all will be able to leave their prices at an attractive point while those companies that are stuck depending on coal and the like will flounder. This is the exact same sort of reasoning that many (including myself) feel should have been applied to AIG or GM, so why not apply it here? In addition, many companies will retool themselves to ensure that they are able to survive in a newer, greener America. That means more jobs to offset those lost by companies unable to retool. As a whole, this is a short-term expense of higher power for the long-term benefit of jobs, revenue, and the environment.

Admittedly, there are a lot of states that are almost wholly dependent on coal power. More than half of the country's current power comes from coal, after all. However, I also do not doubt that someone is going to go to Wyoming, West Virginia, North Dakota, etc. and see a gold mine by tapping into renewable resources to offer power at a lower cost than the current archaic systems. The question isn't one of whether or not the average citizen would be affected, but instead it is "for how long".

If you are on the West Coast or Northeast, you're probably in great shape. I've already given a solution for my fellow North Texans. For everyone else in the middle… well, grab an extra jacket in the winter, at least for this year. Someone will have figured out a profitable solution to your problem by this time next year.

On a totally unrelated note, as this should be up before Wrestlemania – I watched Smackdown on Friday, March 27th with my stepdad (a big wrestling fan like myself), my girlfriend (not a fan), and my mother (not a fan). When Shawn Michaels came out in his Bizzaro-Undertaker entrance, my mother immediately asked me and my stepfather why they were having a Klan rally on the wrestling show. As I tried to explain while stifling my laughter about Shawn Michaels being the Christian opposite of Undertaker – hence the blazing cross iconography - I was reminded by my girlfriend that the Klan started out as a Christian group, and that the whole "blazing cross" thing only made it even worse. I am amazed that no one else saw that, and it made that interview all the more entertaining, for all of the wrong reasons…

(Edit: According to Sprint's wonderful Politics section in their phone service's online feature, the Senate could not get enough votes to be able to use reconciliation to pass cap and trade. However, I can't find a reference to this online for the life of me. Can a more-connected reader hook me up with a news article one way or the other on this?...)


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Wow! A Klan rally on WWE programming. Vince will do anything to get public attention. Hopefully, it will burn up in his face. Seriously, they need to get a brother on the writing team (or someone that know their history).

Posted By: David (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 06:35 AM

 
 
Ever seen Shawn Michaels put over a black wrestler? Hmm......

Posted By: NGRFan (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 11:31 AM

 
 
One question... how is cap and trade working in Europe?

Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 11:36 AM

 
 
Be careful... They're using this "carbon emissions" crap to start up the "Bank of the World" which our "taxes" will go to pay. Such taxes will be on babies, the air we breathe, per-mile tax, ALL forms of meat, ALL plastics, ALL metals, ALL glass, .. basically everything on the planet!

Check out what's going on at www.infowars.com

and the documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw


Posted By: Spyke (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 01:04 PM

 
 
Which of the renewable resource will replace large scale energy needs satisfied by coal?

1> Biofuel - sure if you don't want to have any food to eat since all the farmers will sell their crops to the bio-fuel industry

2> Wind - have many millions of windmills will it take?

3> Solar - producing the cells is much harder on the enviroment than the sources it is supposed to be replacing.

4> Nuclear - looks pretty damn good right now.

5> Hot air from self-righteous and delusional enviromentalists - also looks pretty damn good

And since you chose to slip a little anti-christian rhetoric in, consider this: Stalin ran the Soviet union under the banner of atheism - resulting in the death of 25 million people.


Posted By: Mikel (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 01:51 PM

 
 
The bizarre thing about this fight over cap-and-trade is that it was a Republican idea going back to Reagan and Bush I. Now that a Democrat is trying to implement it, they're fighting against it.

And how was that anti-Christian really?


Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered)  on April 04, 2009 at 03:25 PM

 
 
Stalin ran the Soviet union under the banner of atheism - resulting in the death of 25 million people.

Posted By: Mikel (Guest) on April 04, 2009 at 01:51 PM

So that means all atheists are genocidal? =\


Posted By: Guest#1432 (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 04:23 PM

 
 
Why do people assume that if you are not a Christian it makes you an atheist? A lot of people are agnostic.

Posted By: Guest#3917 (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 04:27 PM

 
 
An atheist tried to kill me yesterday.

At least we can rule out Shawn Michaels as a suspect?


Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on April 04, 2009 at 05:02 PM

 
 
Y'know, I went to InfoWars.com, and Alex Jones DOES seem to strike me as a nut...at first. But when I saw the article about Obama and the Queen's husband, it mentioned something called the Bohemian Club. I gotta say, there's something going on with this organization. Man, we live in strange times, don't we?

Posted By: johnjcoe9198 (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 06:00 PM

 
 
'So that means all atheists are genocidal? =\'

Just like all Christians are war-mongers because of some war that happened 800 yrs ago.


Posted By: Mikel (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 06:08 PM

 
 
Hey Andrew, that atheist sounds "awesome"

Posted By: john (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 06:51 PM

 
 
Mikel, you can't defend your unfair points by pointing out other people's points are JUST AS unfair. Because that doesn't defend your points.

Just saying.


Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on April 04, 2009 at 07:14 PM

 
 
And again, like usual, who does higher utility prices hurt? The guy with 7 SUV's and a private jet on 24 hour standby, or does it hurt the single mom that commutes 40 minutes to work every day barely making ends meet. Liberals say they are for the "working folks." It's the biggest joke of all time.

Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 08:49 PM

 
 
Andrew:

facetious:

–adjective
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous


Posted By: Mikel (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 11:10 PM

 
 
Gas companies have been getting us on for heating for decades. Nothing new to see here. Now Obama is just possibly making the competitors... Able to compete.

Here, here.


Posted By: Todd (Guest)  on April 04, 2009 at 11:55 PM

 
 
GWPBRIAN I Agree. In Hammond IN by me there are both rich and poor. The rich lady gets 300$ worth of groceries and a poor mother goes to the same store they both pay the same in taxes. I see entitlements to drug dealers out here that live in houses by me while I go to Chicago to work in a mailroom then go right to school. Why am I punished for trying to better myself while these clowns get stuff that there owed. I do think the more you make should be taxed. I make 1,600 every two weeks after taxed and insurance I bring home 1,100 that's $500.00 a check gone. Am not paying enough!!! Or how about my evil rich bosses that give me my check lets punish them for being successful. Lets stick it to them so they can get rid of the little guy and make up for the difference. Thats the reality .Yes there are greedy rich, but there is also greedy poor. Hell in Illinois taxes went to 8.50 a pack and they tell us it for our own good to make us quit, O.K. well all quit then . See if they dont start finding other ways to screw us. How about taxing Sushi more that cant be good for the silly liberals that eat that stuff the Mercury is bad for you. Next they will kill the cows cause they fart to much that cant be good for the environment. We pay too much for energy out here 300$ a month for a one level 2 bedroom house is too much. Cant shop around for that now can I!!!!!!!!! The Dems are against Clean Nuclear energy, but it is O.K for the third world countries to use that as a legitimate excuse. Why not us nuclear energy your man Obama would never use it for any other purpose.

Posted By: Guest#0929 (Guest)  on April 05, 2009 at 03:20 PM

 
 
carbon dioxide isn't a pollutant, it's what plants eat

this is basically a scam to tax people, get businesses that can't compete to make money and get more control over our lives


Posted By: HAwkins (Guest)  on April 05, 2009 at 06:06 PM

 
 
"carbon dioxide isn't a pollutant, it's what plants eat"

Brawndo has what plants crave. It's got electrolytes!


Posted By: idiot (Guest)  on April 05, 2009 at 11:42 PM

 
 
I was reminded by my girlfriend that the Klan started out as a Christian group, and that the whole "blazing cross" thing only made it even worse.

Tell her to check her facts, the Klan was started by the southern soldiers who got shunned and pissed on, upon returning home when the war ended. It took them a little while but they finally became assbags they are today.


Posted By: Lucky (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:28 PM

 
 
All sources of energy are renewable if you wait long enough. The most direct and potent solution to curb coal-fired emissions is within all of your grasps.

You want to end the use of coal, boycott coal fired electricity.


Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:46 PM

 
 
Since the comments are diehard partisan today, here's a formula to sum up the conservative philosophy:

big business > unborn babies > everyone else

I figure big business must trump the unborn because Republicans only care about getting babies into the world and not air quality. And remember, this is the same party accusing Democrats of mortgaging the children's future. Is "hypocrisy" in your dictionary Mikel?


Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 12:46 PM

 
 
' Is "hypocrisy" in your dictionary Mikel?'

yes - its found under 'liberal' in the dictionary.

So what you are implying is that caring about unborn children more that trees somehow is hypocritical?

Instead of using useless rhetoric, try presenting counterpoints to what i said.


Posted By: Mikel (Guest)  on April 06, 2009 at 03:33 PM

 
 
Mikel, the only source of new energy you seem to endorse is one that emits large amounts of radioactive waste as a byproduct, and you demonstrated no concern about it. I do believe biofuels are folly, but the problem lies in future population growth, not farmers. You didn't make any actual argument against wind, your statement against solar has no basis whatsoever, and #5 on your list was "useless rhetoric". Interesting how it's fine for YOU to do that but not the other side, which was my point in needling you a bit.

It is ENTIRELY hypocritical to care about a child when they're in the womb yet not care whether they can breathe clean air or if nuclear waste gives them cancer. Imagine someone lost in the woods in the winter. After days of exposure this person has hypothermia and is near death. The search party finds them, then brings them to the side of the nearest road and says "Well, you're not lost anymore." And then they just leave them. That's what Republicans do about babies. I'm pretty confident Jesus would favor health care for sick children, but apparently that's the point where tax dollars run out in the eyes of the right. There's always money for wars though, so much that billions in cash were lost in Iraq and we were told it's a relatively small amount.

Your overly simplistic assessment of each technology, which just happens to crap on anything the left supports is cartoonish. I can appreciate someone's opinion that happens to be different from mine, but not if they're just mindlessly chugging party Kool-Aid.


Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on April 07, 2009 at 09:49 AM

 
 
Shockmaster (Guest)

The most promising energy source that would effectively and safely replace fossil fuels is fusion energy. It takes hydrogen atoms and combines them into helium - and inert gas used for filling balloons.

But saying that wind energy or solar is going to categorically replace fossil fuels is the true act of over-simplification. It just is not going to happen. Deal with it and move on.

And if you think saving a tree is more important than an unborn baby, then I feel sad for you.....


Posted By: Mikel (too lazy to log in) (Guest)  on April 07, 2009 at 12:51 PM

 
 
Not to nitpick, but wouldn't "hypocrisy" come before "liberal" in the dictionary?

Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on April 07, 2009 at 12:52 PM

 
 
Mikel, you admit you don't care about saving trees, which produce the oxygen that keeps us alive. Lesson learned, using logic to appeal to someone who rejects it doesn't work.

Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on April 07, 2009 at 02:12 PM

 
 
We love the French so much. 80 % of there energy comes from nuclear, and they are widely considered one of the "least polluted countries." The problem we have, is that because of the environmentalists (who hate to break it to you, don't care about the environment) who are ruining this country financially day by day, we are light years behind the french in terms of utilizing nuclear power. The problem with the a$$holes from the sierra club, and others, is that they sit there and preach about clean energy, but don't have any solutions that are economically viable or efficient. They just sit there and preach about shit they don't know about. The only reason they are even in the discussion is because they own the democrat party.

Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest)  on April 08, 2009 at 11:32 AM

 
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