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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
George W. Bush of the Dead
Posted by Paul J. Amore on 04.28.2009



Even though George W. Bush is out of office now for months, we're still debating his legacy and doubtless will for years to come, though with decreasing relevance. So before he goes the way of Dick Nixon and we don't have him to kick around anymore, let's get a few things on record.

With the solitary exception of tax cuts, GWB was a statist president. Statism is the opposite of libertarianism. He increased government spending, advanced the power of the military, and worked from the social conservative point of view.

Even if you agree with the multi-front war and with the anti-terror tactics he advocated such as torture and imprisonment at Guantanamo (which I do), there's plenty of room for questioning his tactical wisdom, or at least that of his advisors. And if nothing else, it's a virtual certainty that he had no clue how to sell the war on terrorism. When you're criticized every way under the sun, and part of the criticism is that you don't allow criticism, you have no control.

And yet. . .



Right in the middle of GWB's administration a hilarious movie came out called Shaun of the Dead. You've probably seen it, but if not, go do so; it's great. Part of the premise concerns three roommates, Shaun, Ed, and Pete. Pete is gainfully employed and fairly responsible. Ed is unemployed, lazy, and does nothing all day but drink and play video games. Shaun is employed, but is friends with both of them, and doesn't mind a session on the couch or at the pub. Now here's the curious thing: when Shaun and Ed are together, Shaun's not above criticizing Ed for his sloth, but when all three are together, Shaun usually takes Ed's side against Pete.

Well, George W. Bush is Ed, I'm Shaun, and you're all Pete. I could, in moments of candor, and with other people who I knew shared my basic ideals (to some degree; I have as yet found no one who agrees with me completely), give solid complaints about Bush the man and Bush the policy. But when I went online and saw the vitriol spewed against him, when I watched the television news and the papers go after him with a vengeance, when I saw protestors in the street hold up effigies of Bush with devil horns and Hitler mustache, I would defend him as a good man and a good president. And to this day, I say he was better that history judges him. The two things he got right—lower taxes and aggressive foreign policy—are the two most vital things to get right in a government.

And when the Daily Mirror asked, upon his reelection, how could 59,054,087 people be so dumb, the last word in all caps and large type, I took it personally. If not for me, after all, it would have been 59,054,086. I voted for Bush over Kerry, and I do not regret it.

George Bush ran a bad government, but a far worse government would have held sway if the forces aligned against him had had free rein. Bush grew the bureaucracy, but not as much as Barack Obama, and probably not as much as John Kerry would have. He staved off the explosion in government that we're now seeing by four or perhaps eight years. Bush acted against terrorism by an unpleasant method, but any method other than that involves sacrifices I don't care to see.

There was another movie, made a little earlier, that also sums up my attitude toward Bush and his critics. When Warren Beatty played the eponymous Dick Tracy, he was confronted both with a criminal mob and a vigilante working against the mob for personal reasons. Sitting in a car, thinking about the vigilante, he reasons out: "Is the enemy of my enemy my friend? No, the enemy of my enemy is my enemy." So too with Bush. He was the enemy of freedom, but Bush-haters were an even greater worry.


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I give you credit for trying...

But the liberals are going to fucking act retarded soon...and start commenting.

"BUUUUUSSSSH!" "BUUUUUUUSSSH"

I bet Obama was laughing the entire time as Airforce one was chasing New Yorkers around the other day...

He was probably sitting in the cockpit with ROM so they can get a good view.

Of course the fear in those people does not matter- we all forgot about 9/11 right?

No need to torture anyone...

I bet Bush would have shit the border down to stop the Mexicans from coming over with the swine flu.

But instead that bitch at Homeland security tells Americans not to go- but does nothing to stop to the crossings.

Obama keeps us as safe as he possibly can- and thats why we should all be afraid.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 07:08 PM

 
 
This is a very emotional argument. The measure of any leader is what they accomplish, and Bush didn't accomplish very much that can be measured positively, and a lot that falls into the negative. I'm not a big Bush basher. I actually think he tried to shape up after his re-election, when it became apparent that his inner circle was steering him around by giving him only the information that they wanted him to hear. After that came to light, it seemed like he tried to be more independent, but it was too late.

So let's see. Social Security? Not reformed. Taxes? Lowered. No Child Left Behind? Enacted but too underfunded to change anything. Foreign War? Costing billions and billions, but the results won't be known for a while. No Bin Laden, though, and that was kind of the point. Foreign policy? In the toilet.

You argument above is that you want to support Bush because you dislike the people that are against him, and that is a ridiculous position to take. I dislike many of the left wing detractors that drooled over every mistake, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing that it was indead a mistake. Most of the Bush presidency was a trainwreck and there is very little defending it.

You want to see Bush as a good guy, well, that's up to you. And you know what, I could see that too. He seems like an okay guy, but that doesn't mean he did a good job. He did a terrible one.


Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 07:10 PM

 
 
When I first read the title, I thought it said "George W. Bush is dead"

Posted By: Mike (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 08:32 PM

 
 
Do you defend Obama as well when people compare him to Hitler? Just curious.

Posted By: Jake G (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 08:41 PM

 
 
Which of your freedom's were curtailed under Bush?

Posted By: SteveC (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 10:10 PM

 
 
Ed sells a bit of weed every now and then.

Posted By: slice of fried gold (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 10:21 PM

 
 
Spook, how can you type so much yet say so little? Your posts are always a matter of quantity over quality.

Posted By: Zingy (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 10:27 PM

 
 
You give him credit on his foreign policy and tax work. Yet under him most of the international community hated us, and the economy went from record highs to sever recession. So I ask... how exactly did he do anything right? If his tax cuts were supposed to help the economy, then why did it get worse? If illegal torture, not talking to anyone who disagrees with us, illegal secret prisons, denying prisoners any rights, and illegal wars were so good for foreign policy.... then why all the vitriol from the rest of the world?

Posted By: Bavitz (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 10:39 PM

 
 
SteveC: the freedom to send emails and make phone calls without the government listening in without a warrant for one. Or maybe you like the government spying on you now that Obama's in charge?

Posted By: Capt. Obvious (Guest)  on April 28, 2009 at 10:43 PM

 
 
For every crazy and biased Bush hater, there are crazy and biased Obama haters.

The sensible people in the middle are the ones that matter. Bush was still a horrible president. Anyone that defends him, especially because they hate the select bunch that may go over-the-top with their hate is just trying to defend their 2004 vote.

People are going to be pissed off and sometimes irrational when their man wins the popular vote and STILL loses the election. Did everyone forget that Bush got elected the first time because of a technicality and then won again by still a very close race?

Oh... and in NO WAY does anyone know that Kerry would have been WORSE than Bush if he got elected in 2004. I hate when Republicans cite this was reasoning for voting for Bush in 2004. It's just like saying McCain would have sucked or Gore would have sucked. WE DON'T KNOW. Bush won twice and was terrible.


Posted By: JF (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 12:11 AM

 
 
hey juggernautx no child left behind was not underfunded, in fact we spent more under bush with no child left bheind under bush then clinton, but it doesn't matter u know why, becuase as long as u have the nea and aft, trying to not go for merit pay and fire teacher's who aren't doing there job, which is something that obama is propsoing, and this is one thing i can agree with him, although him killing the voucher program in dc, is dumb

Posted By: coby preimesbereger (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 01:52 AM

 
 
The Spook,

The fact that you have to throw this first insult says more about you...than anything else. If you haven't learned already, you do an excellent job of discrediting your position.

Seriously, a rational person would rather listen to a normal, even-keeled individual. With your ranting, raving, and name calling, do you honestly think ANYONE will take you seriously, outside of people that share your views?


Posted By: David (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 04:02 AM

 
 
coby preimesbereger

*face palm*

That was the stupiest post I have ever seen in MY life. Everyone (Reagan, Nixon, GHWB, Clinton, etc) prior to Bush put less funding into No Child Left Behind! It didn't EXIST until Bush came into office. So, are you upset that all these presidents didn't put money into a program that didn't exist prior to Bush?

Fact of the matter is this, Bush FAILED at this new program. He created new programs and cut taxes. He was conservative in name only. Name the last President that made the federal government smaller under his watch!


Posted By: David (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 04:09 AM

 
 
Amore, you're such a sad, hilarious little sheep. I bet your idea of porn consists of Dubya's photo albums and a big tall glass of Kool-Aid.

If Bush got foreign policy right, I'd hate to see someone get foreign policy WRONG, because to me being mired in the middle of a civil war while everyone else in the world hates the U.S. is more than enough evidence that YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.


Posted By: EPIC CAT (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 04:40 AM

 
 
Bush won in 04' because of votes against Move-on and Michael Moore. I know thats why I voted for him.

Posted By: C (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 10:17 AM

 
 
"Even if you agree with the multi-front war and with the anti-terror tactics he advocated such as torture and imprisonment at Guantanamo (which I do)"

I don't want the government carrying out brutal acts in my name, or secretly violating both domestic and international law based on a theory that is not agreed on. Did you see V For Vendetta Mr. Amore? Because that film represents where you apparently want us to go. To think tactics considered acceptable abroad won't be turned against us is absurd. Blind trust in government to only torture bad guys is the road to ruin.

"Is the enemy of my enemy my friend? No, the enemy of my enemy is my enemy."

That's very accurate. In this case our enemy is terrorism, and we are giving our government sweeping unchecked power to fight it. In other words our government is our enemy's enemy. Based on your own logic Bush empowered our enemy, our own government, which the founders knew would always seek to rule over us, not protect us.

"So too with Bush. He was the enemy of freedom, but Bush-haters were an even greater worry."

Without freedom nothing else we have exists or is really ours. How are secret prisons, warrantless wiretaps and massive military spending on a war of choice not an expansion of government? Anyone with a basic grasp of math should be able to see that cutting taxes while massively increasing spending makes no fiscal sense.

Worst of all this column makes no attempt to justify your conclusions or actually flesh out how the alternative would be worse. The "lesser of two evils" argument isn't an argument at all.

JF makes a good point but left it a step short. In 2004 we did know what kind of President Bush was, and to judge him worthy of four more years deserves the label of DUMB. Every one of those 59,054,087 people should have to wear a scarlet "W" so we know not to take them seriously.


Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 10:46 AM

 
 
@ cody

I haven't seen any analysis of the No Child Left Behind program other than the administrations that says it was properly funded. The program enforces strict guidelines, but complaint after complaint was regestered from schools saying that the money to enact change to meet the new requirements did not come. I'll try and dig up some sources. I haven't looked into that issue for a while.


Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM

 
 
Here are two good analytical papers on No Child left Behind. The second requires PDF Viewer.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070521/darling-hammond

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8680


Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM

 
 
I absolutely figured out how No Child Left Behind Act works. If no child moves forward, no one gets left behind!

Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest)  on April 29, 2009 at 02:30 PM

 
 
This completely ignores the fact that Bush at times experienced popularity well above anything Obama will experience. I mean COMPLETELY ignores it. Maybe, yes, his 90% approval rating after September 11th was kind of a fluke, but as I posted in a recent column, it didn't dip below sixty again until July 2003.

This vitriol towards Bush that people keep citing as an attempt to undermine liberal credibility--you complained about everything he did too!-- only appeared AFTER Bush had had 3 years to earn it. Yes, there were people who were always against the war. And yes, they got a lot of coverage--but mostly after we found out there was absolutely no WMD over there.

I'm not criticizing the meat of this article, I understand where it's coming from and I more or less agree--no one should ever let hatred and anger take the place of rational thinking about something so important as who runs the country.

But it just is not true that Bush didn't get a fair shake from quite nearly everyone (the highest single approval rating ever recorded by gallup)--when you EARN vitriol over time it's really not simply something in the water.


Posted By: Andrew Tobolowsky (Registered)  on April 29, 2009 at 07:32 PM

 
 
My apologies, but i feel like i must comment.
I admit i am a conservative left wing. I also admit that i and my father and my father's father all served in this great nation's military and are stout republicans. I myself am fresh off my second tour. Thus, i feel i am allowed to state this fact;
You are an idiot.
I hate popcorn munching sit at home conservatives as much as i hate liberals. But GODDAMN anyone who is in favor of torture needs to be educated. It is one thing to say that whatever it takes to protect my nation and make it great, and it's a whole other thing to do it. Every one of you arm-chair patriots feel that it is acceptable to torture to protect this nation, but not one of you understands what that means. I have been there, god help me done that, and i can't sleep at night. And you want to pat me on the back and tell me job well done, you'd do the same? Torture is WRONG, it demeans us all and we're better then that. We let ourselves get carried away and we need to remember why we're defending this nation in the first place. So we conservatives fail if we pull out? So Pres Obama doesn't understand and it's wrong? We're admitting defeat? Paul, we first admitted defeat the moment we used our enemy's tactics against them. And since i can safely say that you have not seen what i've seen or done what i've done...
You're for torture? Fuck you.


Posted By: BeenThere1245 (Guest)  on April 30, 2009 at 12:21 AM

 
 
I give you credit for trying...

But the liberals are going to fucking act retarded soon...and start commenting.

"BUUUUUSSSSH!" "BUUUUUUUSSSH"

I bet Obama was laughing the entire time as Airforce one was chasing New Yorkers around the other day...

He was probably sitting in the cockpit with ROM so they can get a good view.

Of course the fear in those people does not matter- we all forgot about 9/11 right?

No need to torture anyone...

I bet Bush would have shit the border down to stop the Mexicans from coming over with the swine flu.

But instead that bitch at Homeland security tells Americans not to go- but does nothing to stop to the crossings.

Obama keeps us as safe as he possibly can- and thats why we should all be afraid.

Posted By: The Spook (Guest) on April 28, 2009 at 07:08 PM

Glad those anger management classes are taking.


Posted By: Anthony (Guest)  on April 30, 2009 at 12:06 PM

 
 
Paul, I have really come to enjoy your articles. This one is no exception. In some ways, I agree with you, but Bush was still a pretty bad president, made worse by the forces aligned against him. It wasn't just foreigners, but the press, which convinced a lot of folks he was worse than he was. Kind of like Lil' Jon, though, he's hard to defend. But you're 1000%, absolutely right, when you say you defended him because of the people who were attacking him. I mean, seriously...if Michael Moore, George Soros, Hugo Chavez, and most liberals are your enemy, I want to be your friend. Not saying he was a good president. I already said he wasn't, but it's kind of like your little brother...you can pick on him, but no one else better. As an American, I realize my country has problems, but fuck an outsider who wants to hold that against me. Every country has problems, but we're the only one every other country feels the need to complain about. Fuck 'em. I wish Bush HAD been planning an assassination of Chavez. Same thing with Canada and Mexico. They piss and moan under the blanket of security and freedom living next to us provides. And, quite honestly, I don't disagree with a lot of liberal positions on things, but they are such obnoxious cocks and cunts; they're so abrasive, whiny and demanding, that I have a knee-jerk reaction against almost everything they have to say. They're like spoiled kids that no one wants to listen to. Come to think of it, that's EXACTLY what the American Left is.

Posted By: Atlas's Shrug (Guest)  on April 30, 2009 at 04:23 PM

 
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