Rush Limbaugh Says Conservatism Isn’t Electable And That Democrats Should Just Do What They Want
Posted by J. Alexander Mitchell on 05.06.2009
It was a slow news day, so I decided to read some Rush Limbaugh. That's always dangerous...
May 6th began as what a political blogger would refer to as a "slow news day". The biggest story that morning was about reconstructive surgery for a woman that was shot in the face with a shotgun (Disclaimer: I found some of the pictures somewhat disturbing). Of course, halfway through writing this, Maine became the fifth state to allow gay marriage. If I had not already gone down the line of what I think about gay marriage, I would have led with that. However, in looking for interesting political news to read, I decided to hit up Rush Limbaugh's website, and found this awesome gem: Rush states that conservatism isn't electable. A bit later, he says that the party in power should basically simply do what they want to. I immediately scanned the shot for signs of a parasite, or perhaps the remains of the alien symbiote from Spiderman 3… but apparently these were his words.
Now THERE'S a story.
Here is the direct quote from his website. I will include a couple of sentences on both sides of the quote to help establish some context.
"And when you end up pandering, it's what I told 'em last night, when you end up pandering and you give people what they want, what if what they want is wrong, what if what they want is bad for themselves? It's not that voters are like children, but at some point those who understand what we're talking about, the principles of conservatism and so forth, and how to make this country the best for the most, which has been demonstrated that it happens, you just need to go out and tell people this. You know, I went through the story, people say, "Rush, why don't you run for office?" And I say I can't take the pay cut."
I picked up two things from this part: (1) The fact that he says he'd never run for office due to not wanting to take a pay cut means that he is far too honest to be an elected official, and (2) his sentences are way, WAY too long. Really, Rush… my last sentence, which was a compound statement, was 49 words, and he STILL beat that. I stand both fearful and impressed.
Here is the continuation of the quote, with a couple of sentences on the other side for context.
"What would you say anyway?" I would say something that I wouldn't last one day as a political candidate. Getting an audience is different than getting votes. I'd stand up and I'd say, "I'm the antithesis of President Obama. Don't look to me to solve your problems. Look to you to solve your problems. I'm going to get myself and this government outta your way. You are what makes the country work. I'm not. I'm just here to ride steward on the Constitution and make sure that this government does not get in your way and punish your achievement. But it's up to you, folks, you're far better than you know you can be.
But Obama is doing just the opposite. Every day Obama goes out and he presents a crisis and a problem and himself as the solution. "Don't worry, I've got it under control, I can handle it," making people waifs, wards of the state, if you will. "
What fascinated me about that quote was that his theoretical "hands off" approach to government appears to be Conservatism 101. Why would the current icon of conservative philosophy preface his theories by stating that "he wouldn't last one day in office"? Isn't that what he is asking the Sarah Palins of the world to do? How about "Getting an audience is different from getting votes"? Why are politicians supposed to espouse his philosophies when he explicitly states that they are not going to get votes? How is he planning on having the rest of the country jump on board with the philosophy; is he going to wave his hand at them and say "Those are not the fiscal policies you are looking for…"? If that is the plan, does that make him Qui-Gonn, Obi-Wan, Darth Maul, or Anakin?
"It was born of a philosophical belief that an oppressive, large government will choke off individual economic freedom, growth, and liberty. So we didn't have to build a big tent.
Now, to pass it, to pass these Reagan tax cuts with a Democrat-dominated House and a Democrat-dominated Senate, what did we have to do? We didn't sell Tip O'Neill on these tax cuts; we didn't sell the Democrats on the philosophy and the policy of the tax cuts. If we had, they won't be promising to raise everybody's taxes every time they open their mouth. What happened was we beat their butts, in the eyes of the American people. Ronald Reagan was able to explain this to people and Jack Kemp and the whole army was able to explain this to people. The Democrats had no choice but than to vote for it because the American public had elected Reagan in a landslide on substantive issues, he had a mandate, and that was part of the mandate, cutting taxes. But don't think they ever came to believe it. They are afraid of tax cuts, they are afraid of the principle of burgeoning economic freedom and liberty because the more of that you get the less need there is for liberals. So they were never persuaded, they were beaten, they were defeated. And this didn't come about by reaching out. It didn't come about by building a big tent. It didn't come about with a listening tour. It came about because of a devotion to a principle that gave birth to a policy.
Now, look, anybody is free to be a Republican. Anybody is free to run for office. But like anything else, there are winners and there are losers. We support the people we agree with. We oppose those we don't agree with. That's the nature of politics and elections. "
Rush is not the first person I have heard to embrace the theory that the fact that you have been elected means that you can do what you want to do.Personally, my favorite version of this thought is "I have political capital…" (insert cocky laugh here)"… and now I'm gonna spend it!". As an aside - to my Bush loving readers, please note that this quote is listed out of love. I'm a wrestling fan, and nothing is cooler to me than a cocky heel.
What is different about Rush's usage is that this philosophy is being quoted from someone on the minority side. Did the Democrats not, in 2008, have a set of elections that were won "in a landslide on substantive issues"? I believe that the current Senate and House majorities, as well as the party of the current President, would suggest this. So why would the icon of conservatism basically say that those in power should use it, given the fact that doing so would lead to the most un-conservative governmental actions one can think of?
The reason why I question all of this is not because I place considerable value in the viewpoint of Rush Limbaugh. I read Rush Limbaugh for two reasons: (1) to get a better idea of what people that do NOT think as I do believe, and (2) for entertainment. However, I do recognize that a large number of people – specifically Republicans – do place considerable value in what he has to say… and what he has had to say lately has been in direct contrast with what a number of Republican leaders have to say. Admittedly, these leaders (such as Jeb Bush, Eric Cantor, and Mitt Romney) did not have to build a career as an entertainer (and yes, Rush Limbaugh is a professional entertainer, not unlike Oprah Winfrey or John Stewart) to get into their positions of political leadership. No… all these guys did was win elections.
Like it or not, there is a growing schism within the Republican party. There was a picture on FoxNews of some Republicans protesting the NCNA tour, holding a sign that says "Immigration is the Real Problem". Admittedly, I only take so much stock in pictures I find on FoxNews; just today I was hit with pictures of a 21-week old fetus coming out of a woman's stomach like a facehugger from Alien and the above-mentioned facial reconstruction shots on the front page. Clearly, their webmasters are not focusing what I think is appropriate for the front page of a news website.
However, the point is that the picture shows the nature of the schism – there are the Rush Limbaugh types that appear to be repeating the same old talking points, whether or not they even make sense (the former Rush quote) or seem actively detrimental to their cause (the latter), and there are the reformers, that seem to want to listen to their constituencies to see what direction the party should go in.
So the question to the Republican readers: just like Marvel Comics asked in 2006... What Side Are You On?
I know my answer (which I will publicly say I'm stealing from hip-hop artist The Rapture) - I'm on the side with Wolverine.
05/07/09 Edit: Oh, and Rush also thinks Colin Powell is a liberal and should jump to the Democratic party... oh, and he says again Powell only supported Obama to help a brutha out. If I ever decide to do a weekly column, I'm going to have to have a section JUST for Rush. He is indeed an entertainer's entertainer.
Posted By: Kent Baker (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 07:04 PM
I'm kinda with Rush. You guys got what you wanted, now all of us have to deal with the consequences.
Posted By: Chris Connolly (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 07:58 PM
I like your line of thinking, Connolly. All you Bush voters, you go donate all of your money to the war in Iraq, or better yet just sign all your checks to Haliburton.
After all, in 2004 you got what you wanted and all of us had to deal with the consequences.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 10:54 PM
"I like your line of thinking, Connolly. All you Bush voters, you go donate all of your money to the war in Iraq, or better yet just sign all your checks to Haliburton.
After all, in 2004 you got what you wanted and all of us had to deal with the consequences."
You mean that war all those democrats voted to authorize before the decided they were actually against it?
Posted By: Guest#7683 (Guest) on May 06, 2009 at 11:37 PM
At least Haliburton actually bid on the majority of their contracts, unlike your boy Murtha's family.
And I would much rather spend money freeing people and ousting dictators than bailing out incompetently-run companies and hiring more useless government employees.
Posted By: Chris Connolly (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Zingy, you are aware that Heinz-Kerry and Michael Moore both own Harriburtan stock.Are they war profiteers?
Posted By: John (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 12:47 AM
Two points that need to be refuted:
1. Democrats didn't vote for the Iraq War. Their vote was to authorize the president to go to war AS A LAST RESORT. Then Bush went and used it pretty much as a first resort. And while we're here, it bears mentioning...Congress voted to authorize that war as a last resort based primarily on evidence presented to them...by the White House. And with everything we know about the Bush White House today, I think it's safe to say it didn't give Congress a well-rounded bundle of evidence. Like everything else they did, this evidence was cherry picked.
2. "I would much rather spend money freeing people and ousting dictators than bailing out incompetently-run companies and hiring more useless "
Chris...way to euphemize my friend. Because that's what Halliburton did; because that was really Bush's goal when they invaded Iraq. Perhaps you care to address the ridiculous and rampant overcharging Halliburton threw down on the federal government? Saving lives and ousting dictators?
Let me try: I'd rather spend money preserving the livelihoods of millions of Americans who were robbed by unregulated, greedy corporations than to kill innocent women and children.
Wow, that was easy.
Posted By: Crow21 (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 01:41 AM
look had we finished the job in 1991 instead of pulling out, we wouldn't have had to go back, and oh by the way saddam once he violated the first cease fire we had the authority, as all of the un secuirty council resolutions, authorized force if neccessaary and bush was the one with cohones, too instead of oh no saddam we'll just slap u on the hand with a un resolution, and u just play with your toys, bush actually followed through, after saddam vioalted 16 un security council resolutions, and all had the same language as the war authorization bill that was passed in 2004
Posted By: coby preimesbereger (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 02:10 AM
You know, if you forget the source, Limbaugh's remarks about government getting out of the way and not trying to solve all our problems actually sounds very appealing. But then I remember what the world would be like if Wall Street was unchecked and the dream dies. If only the free market offered fair wages and safe working conditions voluntarily. If an end to government meddling wouldn't guarantee a return to the conditions of 19th century coal miners it would clearly be the best option.
Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 09:48 AM
Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot.
Posted By: Senator Al Franken (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 10:02 AM
crow.. you mean the cherry picked stuff that John Kerry and others didn't bother to read by their own admission? And seriously, this whole "we were fooled" is so stupid. These are supposed to be the brightest folks in the world. I'm told that democrats are just the smartest people in the room at all time, they are so articulate... yada yada yada. So that means they are incapable of forming their own opinions on whether or not to send our young men and women (oh im sorry authorize the president as a last resort, and yeah he was getting so much support by all of our "allies" in Europe) into harms way? Really? Now I am one that thought the invasion of Iraq was a terrible idea back in 2002. I'm not a Johnny Come Lately like John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. The irony of it all, was the person that laid out THE BEST and MOST ARTICULATE argument against going in there, was Dick Cheney, back in 1994 when he was asked why didn't we "finish the job" in 1991.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Crow, since BO is still using drone attacks, we're still killing innocent women and children. Where is the outrage there?
Oh, and Colin Powell is a liberal. Look at his social issue stances and the stuff he has said about taxes and economics. The only reason he was ever a Republican was to pay back Reagan and Bush 41 for their support of his military career.
Posted By: Chris Connolly (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 10:57 AM
"1. Democrats didn't vote for the Iraq War. Their vote was to authorize the president to go to war AS A LAST RESORT. Then Bush went and used it pretty much as a first resort. And while we're here, it bears mentioning...Congress voted to authorize that war as a last resort based primarily on evidence presented to them...by the White House."
I love it. They voted for the war before they voted against the war.
Congress has the same responsibility as the Executive and is free to gather information from any source they deem appropriate.
There is a piece of information that never gets discussed but always made me deeply suspicious of the WMD argument. You don't need to be liberal or conservative to appreciate this fact.
Assuming the Busch/Cheney argument was true and WMD arsenal actually existed, why would Israel allow it to exist and not raise one protest more or less a fighter wing to destroy the Iraqi WMD capabilities?
I know why, Israel knew the WMD Capability as described by Bush/Cheney didn't exist.
So are you saying the Democrats voted for the war because they were too God awful stupid to doubt the Administration's case?
Seems unlikely. A bigger reason is that the Administration scheduled the authorization vote the day before Bush was scheduled to ask the UN for authorization. Nobody had the stomach to send Bush to UN without backing of Congress.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Interesting how Corporations are the "big evil". Wasn't it the Dems that pushed for "equal housing" and equal approvals for loans?
It makes SO MUCH sense to approve someone with a 30k/yr job for a house/loan that someone else with a 150k/yr job has been approved for.
That was the start of the CRUMBLING of the banking industry. They were FORCED to create new forms of loans (ARMS,Interest Only,Balloons nd what-not) to get the idiots approved and booked. Now they all cry about not being able to afford their DREAM homes.
AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH AMERICA! Too many people want to live on their DREAMS instead of their REALITY! Living off credit cards and all that BS is the new "American Way"... well that and all the "free" money the Dem dominated gov't is going to be giving out.
Not everyone will be a millionaire and not everyone DESERVES to have what anyone else has. Work for it then you have an argument, but don't expect for everything to come easy and fall in your lap.
USA- The new face of total freedom... (welfare, chips, wic, medicare, medicaid)
Posted By: Apples (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 01:16 PM
" Democrats didn't vote for the Iraq War. Their vote was to authorize the president to go to war AS A LAST RESORT."
Do you realize how fundamentally stupid that premise is? Democrats either voted to auhtorize the President to wage war or they didn't. At the end of the day, they said it was A-OK. Stop hedging and own it.
Posted By: Guest#3214 (Guest) on May 07, 2009 at 02:14 PM
Colin Powell has always preached at the Republican party to be inclusive, to be centrist. He got THE perfect candidate in McCain, someone who reached across the eisle so much that he pissed off much of the GOP.
But who did he endorse? Obama. A candidate further to the left than any of recent memory.
Posted By: Bemini (Guest) on May 09, 2009 at 09:18 PM
does anyone actually know what halliburton does?
Posted By: Guest#7037 (Guest) on May 12, 2009 at 10:39 AM