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Minority Conservatives (Or... Why I Feel Sorry For Michael Steele)
Posted by J. Alexander Mitchell on 05.12.2009



Certain words pop out on a web page when I read them. Today, the words "Janeane Garofalo" and "Racist" managed to somehow grab my attention away from "Woman Accused In Porn Star Prostitution Ring" over on Foxnews.com. I'm very uncertain how that happened. Everyone's favorite demure, even-keeled spokesperson for the liberal left (note to the sarcasm-impaired – that was sarcasm) managed to get attention from Fox by refusing to back off from two of her statements made on Kieth Olbermann's show "Countdown" a few weeks back, one of which was to say that the Taxed Enough Already parties were fueled by racism, not by genuine issues with the policies of the new presidential administration. In addition, she accused Republican National Chairman Michael Steele of having Stockholm syndrome. The two statements are very connected, and the fact that the former has such a tinge of truth to it that the latter statement begins to carry weight. This is a sad and frustrating thing. Steele's goals seem to be the forging of a Republican party one that represents a culturally diverse set of interests reflective of Conservative thought. However, the devil is in the details, and the details make this look like an uphill and potentially unwinnable battle.

I really feel sorry for the guy in moments like this.


First off, allow me to wrap myself in my favorite warm, fuzzy literary blanket for quotations: context. Ms. Garofalo's segment was preceded by a clip of an unemployed blogger speaking to a crowd at one of the TEA events. The following is a transcript of the clip shown:

"BLOGGER JEFF: I want to start off by honoring the service of our veterans, our current service members, thank you so much for all you've done for this country. I also want to say, a little history lesson here. Back in 2000, there was a bunch of surplus in the country. And then the next ten years, it was just destroyed by the profligate spending by the Bush administration. Here we are today in a situation where we have to...Cheer if you make less than $250,000 in a year. Just cheer. Your taxes are going to be cut under the current budget. Congratulations. I was laid off in September because my employer had to make budget cuts. That was before the election. Let's remember if you're going to argue about more taxes and less spending, to place the blame where the blame belongs and that's squarely in the hands of the Republican congress and...
CROWD: Boo! "


The quotes attributed to Ms. Garofalo address this clip.

"JANEANE GAROFALO: Thank you. You know, there's nothing more interesting than seeing a bunch of racists become confused and angry at a speech they're not quite certain what he's saying. It sounds right and then it doesn't make sense. Which, let's be very honest about what this is about. It's not about bashing Democrats, it's not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don't know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. And there is no way around that. And you know, you can tell these type of right wingers anything and they'll believe it, except the truth. You tell them the truth and they become -- it's like showing Frankenstein's monster fire. They become confused, and angry and highly volatile"

I think that, to say the least, Ms. Garofalo decided to interpret reality rather liberally, pun unintended. However, there are a few things we can cull from what we saw. Assuming this particular TEA party was indicative of the whole, we can also say that the difficulty is not the rampant increase in taxation. The reaction to the placement of blame on the Republican party that had six years of increased taxation supports this. We can say fairly concretely that TEA parties were not about what the original tea parties were about – taxation without representation. The fact that one does not agree with the decisions of their elected officials does not mean they are not represented; they are simply represented by people that disagree with them. That leads to one of two possible scenarios: The protests were about the newfound minority status of these people (read: "Increased taxation is okay as long as it is Republicans doing the taxing", or, to rephrase, they are protesting the fact that their side lost) or Ms. Garofalo is closer to the truth than we may like.

It is obviously difficult to know the full truth, as individual people undoubtedly have their own personalized reasons for their participation. However, I can say that I recall watching the footage of the TEA parties and feeling the "tinge". That is worrisome.

You are probably asking "what is the ‘tinge'"? If you are not asking this, that means you are skimming my work for something to complain about and argue about in the comment section. For those people, STOP SKIMMING THIS AND READ IT! IT TAKES TIME TO WRITE ALL OF THIS, YA KNOW! Now that we are all back together, I'll tell you what "the tinge" is. I first felt the tinge when I was a teenager, and was stopped while walking along a road with a friend by some police officers because I "fit the description". When asked what "the description" was, I was told "About five-ten skinny black guy". Given that this occurred in the New Orleans Metropolitan Area, I can fairly confidently state that there were a number of people that fit that description. It is no wonder that New Orleans historically has had problems with crime, given the awesome detective work at play. I felt the tinge later in life, when I was asked repeatedly by the 99%-Caucasian guys in my dorm why the people in Los Angeles were rioting after the Rodney King verdict ("I'm from New Orleans! You know I'm from New Orleans! How the hell would I know why their rioting?! Hey, here's an idea – try finding someone from Los Angeles, and they may be able to help ya…"). I felt the tinge as a software engineering consultant; the whole "random woman grabbing her purse" things is real, and it was a necessary evil to re-establish upon entering a new company that I am the intelligent, competent guy sent by my firm that is going to fix your problems. That is the tinge; the "spider-sense" that goes off when placed in situations for which some sort of subtle vibe – in my experience involving race – is detected.

The tinge, in the case of the TEA parties, had to do with a subtle theme of the fairly-extensive footage I've seen of the tea parties – there weren't any minorities. Issues of taxation in specific and conservative philosophy as a whole – with a glaring detail I will mention later – are largely race-neutral. There is no reason – as a general statement - why Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. would accept taxation any more or less than Caucasians. Still… where were all of the minorities? Here's a fun game: Go to images.google.com, type in "Taxed Enough Already", and find the first page where you can clearly spot a minority on a page based on the thumbnails. I'll even give you a convenient link. Going only by thumbnails, the first I see is on page seven. Unfortunately, that is a picture of President Obama, so I'd question whether or not it is representative of the TEA party-goers. This is not to say I agree with Ms. Garofalo that the TEA parties were put on by a bunch of "teabagging rednecks". However, the fact that this is a partisan affair involving very few minorities does not paint the best picture of the place of minorities in the Republican party.

This is what leads me to have some sense of pity for Michael Steele. Conservatism as a general statement is generic in regards to race, but there is the one practical detail I mentioned earlier. This practical detail sometimes gets in the way of being a minority conservative. Minorities, as a trend, tend to have less economic, educational, social, and political resources than Caucasians. Speaking only of Blacks, it is difficult to be "equal" when you are held down from day one; you are not going to catch up to a 400 year head start in about 50 years. A very prevalent thought is that the quickest way to "catch up" requires government intervention… which is something that conservatism is solidly against. Is it any wonder why someone would label Michael Steele as having "Stockholm Syndrome"? Historically, it has been very easy to set off "the tinge" when dealing with Republicans, be it due to the community-annihilating "War on Drugs" or the need to repeatedly show the same two Black people in the crowd at the Republican National Convention (my circle of friends eventually labeled them "Old Black Guy" and "Older Black Guy" – "And… cue camera switch to Older Black Guy… looking… the same way he was fifteen minutes ago"). The tinge simply makes it hard to be a minority conservative.

Though many minorities would agree that government is a necessary component to achieve equality, there are plenty of other directions and philosophies (read up on the differences between Marcus Garvey's, W.E.B. Du Bois, and Booker T. Washington for an idea of differing philosophies); I personally believe that we will need a combination of economic, societal and educational shifts by the country as a whole and within each individual minority group. That's what makes me feel sorry for Michael Steele – so many within his own community would agree that he shouldn't work as a Black conservative, but this viewpoint assumes that conservatism holds down minorities. Perhaps it does, and perhaps it does not; I will certainly say that "the tinge" has been set off for me on multiple occasions. However, whatever side of the fence one falls on, one should be able to respect the work of people with the same goals but different methods. Unfortunately, many people – minority and non-minority - feel their way is the only way… which will continue to make it an uphill battle for a guy like Steele.


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White people make the money, that's why Title VII exists.

Obama's socialist government is going to tax the people who make money, the white people, and redistribute it to the people who don't make money, the minorities.

Therefore, white people are protesting the redistribution of wealth, and minorities aren't.

Is that too hard for you to comprehend?


Posted By: teh sp00k (Guest)  on May 12, 2009 at 11:57 PM

 
 
Bill Maher show 11-16-2008

John Fund refering to conservatives"so what should we do, jail them"

Garafalo"that would be great" with a straight face.

Tolerant,progressive, nuanced

What did that do for your "tinge"?

My guess is that you probably agree with that greasy,dumb,bitch.


Posted By: John (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 12:30 AM

 
 
Wow, Spook. Really?

I'd love to hear your elucidation of the connection between "white people making money" and Title VII. I bet it would be riveting . . .

And this word "socialist", I do not think it means what you think it means.

J. Michael, conservatives don't share access, they conserve it. They tend also to conserve it amongst their own 'kind'. Nothing Michael Steele does will change that.

I think what we're seeing could be the beginning of the end of the two party system. I have long maintained that the left wing of the Republican party has more in common with the right wing of the Democratic party than it does with the religious conservatives and the fringe right. They're beginning to self-identify and move to the center.

Very soon, the 'lefter' left (the radical left was never really with Obama) will come to realize that Obama is not the president they thought they were getting. Could be Guantonamo, the Supreme Court Nominee, or war policy, but the lefter left will peel off. That may start a chain reaction that splits the Dems. The right-wing Dems join the left-wing Republicans, forming a majority party with socially center-left and a fiscally center-right platform, with the abortion question being the wildcard.

The Right and Left idealogues get the parties they sorely crave: 'pure', unified, and irrelevant nationally. This new Centrist party enjoys unparalleled success and picks up the Obama mantle after he is termed out.


Posted By: The Omen (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 01:14 AM

 
 
Who is Michael Steele's "community"?

Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 01:46 AM

 
 
I didn't realize you were black. Well being from the south i will now have to boycott you.

Just kidding. You do good work sir.

As a white man in the south i have noticed the white tinge of fear. The locking of the doors in big cities populated by black people is the most common. Honestly, as a bearded young person with long hair i do sometimes get the same reaction. I'm not really going anywhere with this, just noting that the more conservative people don't discriminate when it comes to discrimination.

Now for a few points of interest

I sincerely doubt that most of these people at the T-Baggin's are doctors or rich people of that sort. They probably dropped out in the 8th grade because they didn't really need no learnin'.

I guess i can feel some pity for michael steel in a hudsucker proxy kind of way. He is the G.O.P for the same reason Sarah Palin was a vice presidential candidate. because republicans care a lot about statistics.

So white people are mostly rich now. As a man who knows what a shit bucket is and has taken a bath in a river, i beg to disagree.


Posted By: the dude (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 03:59 AM

 
 
John big hint here. Regardless of straight face someone can be joking. Sarcasm, irony, etc. Hmmm who could do that? Perhaps an actress?

Posted By: Bavitz (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 06:17 AM

 
 
LOL! The country is not socially left whatsoever. It never will be no matter how many Big Brother programs the government tries to force on everyone.

Also, these Tea Parties were not by invitation. Any one could join and protest this shame of a government. It just so happened that Blacks were a minority in these protests. They weren't excluded.

Also, who is this Garofalo character? At least get some kind of relevant "celebrity" on your show, Olbermann. Oh that's right. No one watches the Keith Odorman show.


Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 09:29 AM

 
 
Yeah- another Spook rip off.

But I don't entirely disagree with what the clone said- just sub "black" for "poor" and "white" for "rich"...

Other than that I'm staying out of this one today...


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 10:22 AM

 
 
Maybe you get the "tinge" because you were brought up to anticipate it. Have you ever had the hose turned on you in Alabama, been a slave or subjected to segregation? If not, I would suggest this "tinge" of which you speak is merely left-wing programming that media, the public education system and Hollywood have planted in you. Rather than forcing you to accept responsibility for your appearance,demeanor and personality at a given moment in time which might have prompted those reactions to you (not your race) they have created an external alternate "excuse" for you in order to prevent you from seeking change from within and making your own opportunities better in this world. The "tinge" is the electronic home detention bracelet in all its' psychic glory, a gift from your left-wing leaders who WANT you to feel the tinge so that they and their government policies become your only hope for improving your standing in life and the world. Conservatism, and it's focus on the individual and his or her limitless potential, unencumbered by an oppressive,"compassionate" government is the only true governing philosophy that can uplift people from their current states. The tragedy is that this message has had it's frequency jammed by left-wing race-baiters who need people to feel the "tinge" in order for their power base to maintain and expand. It is a tragedy that if allowed to continue, will approach slavery in it's stain on this country.

Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 01:28 PM

 
 
"Rather than forcing you to accept responsibility for your appearance,demeanor and personality at a given moment in time which might have prompted those reactions to you"

Holy shit, so what you're saying is that a black kid who wears saggy jeans, tilts his hat to the side, and talks different than most Caucasians should accept the fact that he'll be treated with prejudice because a white person might think he's "from the hood?" Is that really what you're saying? Because that's akin to saying Jews should have accepted responsibility for looking and acting like Jews during World War II in Germany. You're justifying your own prejudice by using it as an excuse.


Posted By: Guest#1848 (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 02:36 PM

 
 
Sterotypes are both positive and negative- nobody ever complains about the positive ones.

..but bring up a negative one- however valid or accepted- shame on you.

It's all political correct nonsense.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 03:15 PM

 
 
"Sterotypes are both positive and negative- nobody ever complains about the positive ones.

..but bring up a negative one- however valid or accepted- shame on you.

It's all political correct nonsense.

Posted By: The Spook (Guest) on May 13, 2009 at 03:15 PM"

And... for the first time in my experience here at 411... I can say...

I agree with The Spook 100%.

:)


Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 03:24 PM

 
 
The problem with the tea partys was an utter lack of organization, and each one had its own agenda. There were plenty in the northeast, hardly a hotbed for rednecks and racists (outside of Philly and Boston, naturally). Those were concerns about taxes both on a federal AND STATE LEVEL. NY and NJ are getting hammered by both the federal and state taxes, so people were up in arms about it.

Yes, we could have and should have protested when Bush ran things. But the facts are we had a president who took a surplus into a billion dollar deficet, and we have replaced him with a guy who took a billion dollar deficet and turned it into a TRILLION DOLLAR deficet, and that's supposed to be a good thing?

And not to mention NJ is going to be the second state to decare bankruptcy (right after CA does) and NY is getting closer by the day. THAT is why there were tea parties in the northeast.


Posted By: Jimbo (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 04:37 PM

 
 
Bavitz, have you seen the show I refered to?NO.If you did you would not be sticking up for the greasy,dumb,bitch.Know what your talking about before replying.

Stereotypes....Garafalo excells with using them,Bavitz and Alexzander become defense attournys for her becuase she speaks from the radical left.


Lastly, why is it every time I quote a liberals words against them,someone says they were just kidding?Just kidding EVERY TIME.


Posted By: Guest#0556 (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 04:41 PM

 
 
Guest 1148, you pretty much make my point for me with your ignorant and illogical jumping off points to my comments. I'm not afraid of hate-mongers like you who seek to stifle dissent, ironically like the Nazis to whom you so irresponsibly compare me. You are part of the left-wing jamming brigade that seeks to undermine any sort of effort to get people to be responsible for their own decisions. So, yes, if any kid wears his hat backward, has baggy jeans and acts like a thug (because that is what THUGS wear) then he should expect somebody who is diferent from him to maybe act a little more cautiously around him. Same goes for any kid who is all tattoed up and wears leather jackets, heavy metal t-shirts and/or a shaved head. These are the potential accessories of a skinhead and any person might be inclined to elevate their awareness level around them. Of course,they both can diffuse these perceptions with how they act, with a smile, etc. which is the point I was trying to make. If a kid who dresses like a rap artist walsk into a store with a white collar businessman,and the kid smiles and has a pleasant demeanor about him and the businessman mopes around like he's going to shoot somebody, I doubt will react less favorably to the hip-hop guy.

The only difference is metal heads don't have the built-in social programming that says to them people are reacting to them BECAUSE of some in-born society bred racism. No, they understand that by wearing that type of stuff, they might get the intial reaction from people of caution. But the black kid who wears baggy pants, backwards hats, etc.,(the apparel of the street gang member), he is allowed to believe these reactions to him are based soley on racsism because of apologists such as you who attack people for trying to get them to understand how maybe things other than race or religion might affect people's perception of them. Your equating my comment with Jews in Nazi Germany is intellectually dishonest, and a representation of your desire to keep minorities and other affected interest groups angry at the world and dependent on people like you to defend them,thus increasing your own power at their expense.

Besides, son ,how do you know I'm not black or Jewish?


Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 04:42 PM

 
 
Da Man hits the nail right on the head. As a metal-head myself, I can attest first hand to the weird looks you get from people not normally around metal shirts and music.

Ironically, outside of the musical sphere I'm the very things overly cautious people compare metal-heads to. I'm a college graduate, have short hair, attend church, and have conservative beliefs and values. Not all metal music is about rebellion and destruction, that's mostly death metal garbage (which I hate; power and prog all the way). I've noticed that the majority of anti-metal people usually have strong religious leanings (with the idea that metal bands and shirts, which are almost always black, equate with Satanism), hence me citing those specific traits. However once I actually speak to them, their stereotype quickly disintegrates.

The same philosophy applies with any stereotype. If you make a conscious effort to not further the stereotype, you will not get the prejudice. Is this universal? No, but it's damn sure better than feeding the stereotype (which people of ALL persuasions do sometimes).

On a final note, I find it ironic that metal-heads are often stereotyped when we are one of the most accepting groups on the planet. If you're at a concert, we don't give a damn what race, gender, or ethnicity you are. If you're there to have fun, enjoy the show, and be a fan, then you're one of us. This is unlike the skinhead philosophy, since they are more inherently racist and non-accepting. A metal-head is NOT the same as a skinhead.


Posted By: Jason (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 07:29 PM

 
 
Your entire argument is intellectually dishonest because it presupposes that a certain type of dress justifies prejudice. You accused the original author of not taking responsibility for his appearance and then ignore the context in which it happened. He points out that he works as a software engineering consultant and that he had to reassure women that he wouldn't steal their purses upon entering a new business. How do most people dress in a business environment? Conservatively.

Regardless, the way a person dresses should not affect the way they are viewed in society. I see white kids dressing in the exact same "thug" manner, and I don't see them draw nearly the same type of negative attention a black kid does in the same situation. My intention isn't to keep anyone else angry. My intention is personal anger at such a ridiculous comment. The Nazi comparison was off-base, I will admit, because I wasn't exactly thinking clearly when I saw your comment. But why should I have to justify my appearance, why should anyone have to justify their appearance, to appease someone else's prejudice? Are we all supposed to become one homogeneous mass that look and act the same so as not to offend someone's sensibilities?

I'm sorry if you view me as a part of a dishonest liberal conspiracy to keep minorities angry. I'm no hate-monger. I know how it feels to have those types of judgments cast on me, based on perceptions people have had about my sexuality. I've seen that kind of discrimination towards others first-hand in the places that I've stayed, even in supposed liberal safe havens like New York. Maybe it's because I've seen how ridiculous these perceptions are, but I know it's not an excuse. I know it's not justified. And I know it's wrong. What you're advocating isn't dissent. You're justifying your own insecurities.


Posted By: Guest#0841 (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 08:59 PM

 
 
It's okay to insecure- why is everyone making a big deal about it.

So what? Some people feel threated by being around other types of people.

It's natural...the problem is that you dumb fucks are trying to regulate human nature to the point that it's making everyone crazy.

If I don't like being around gay people because it freaks me out than let me be freaked out- but forcing me to not be freaked out causes me to freak out more...and that's an example.

If some old man who grew up in the 40s and 50s does not like black people regulating that won't help anyone...

Just let people be who they want to be and tolerate it- let gays be gay, let blacks be blacks, let bigots be bigots...

The political correctness taddle tell bullshit is going to fucking get our country taken over.

If you're gay you suck cocks- it's true- deal with it...

If you're black you probably dress like a hoodlum and don't go to scholl because its not cool- I got it...its your thing.

If your white and straight you always feel like you have to monitor what you say because you WILL offend someone who is not white or not straight...like Miss Californa...

We all have to deal with this shit- straight white people too.

So get off your fucking soapbox and act like fucking men instead of crying like taddle tell cry babies everytime somebody says or does something that makes you feel like fucking douchebag.

People have to justify their appearence because we live in a nation with about a thousand different cultures and everytime one of you trendy mother fuckers starts to wear your jeans backwards, a big pink floppy hat, or giant hoop ear rings through your tits with a green mohawk...everyone wants to know what the fuck is with this guy?

Stop acting like you can walk into a public place filled with every single type of person in the world- like you Guest in New York- and not expect to have at least one person there tell you are a dumb mother fucker for wearing tight bluejeans, highheels and scarf.

You're not that fucking special pee wee. We all have to deal with it.

You don't have to justifiy your appearence- but you should tolerate that other people are not going to accept you.

Get it?

Tolerence is the opposite of political correctness!

If you can tolerate that other people don't like you than you'll be fine...

If you expect the government of anyone else to regulate how we act I fucking promise you that it will be to the lowest and easist common way- which means the absence of opinion and no free speech.

You're gay- deal with it- people will not like you because of it.

I'm straight, and white, and upper middleclass- I have to deal with shit too- mostly not offending you mother fuckers.

Stop whining about everything.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on May 13, 2009 at 09:28 PM

 
 
I used to get extraordinarilly angry when The Spook took off his gloves and started throwing haymakers with reckless abandon, but now, it makes me smile...since, for the most part, we agree.

Garofalo is worthless, and the fact that you use her as some sort of legitimate source makes you a worthless journalist. No sugar-coating. No beating around the bush. Worthless. And here's why...

This is the woman who claimed that 'tens' of people showed up to the TEA parties. Try 2-4 million nationwide. Nice try.

And pulling the race card was also a doozy. She's just upset because for only the second time in history there was a major protest movement in the first 100 days of a new president's term, and it was her guy. Die in a fire you irrelevant nothing.

The fact that she would try to spin that means that she would try to spin anything, and the fact that you agree with her in any way is to advocate the spin. Congratulations toolbag.

You feel a 'tinge'? Fuck you. You live in the most equal society ever devised by man and you bitch because some paranoid women hold their purses closer to them when you're around? You know when I got my 'tinge'? When I graduated high school with a .35 higher GPA than the highest graduating black student, and she got a full-ride scholarship to Baylor and I got nothing. Not a single grant. I got the same 'tinge' when I got on a scholarship search database and put in 'straight white male' and got NOTHING on that search criteria that went to white males only. But when I put in 'female', 'homosexual', or 'African American', the specialized scholarships flowed in by the pages. I also get the 'tinge' when I get called racist because I won't give a customer her pizza for free after she lies to me about how long she's been waiting (happens about a dozen times a week, with about 7 regular customers that my boos refuses to cancel service to, because, you guessed it, he doesn't want to be called a racist. It's also nice to not get tipped by the black customers who tip the black drivers. A really pleasant experience.

So kudos to your suffering. You have to deal with a couple of idiots and overly-skittish morons because you're black. I take a hit to my wallet every time I walk out the door for being white. I'll take the idiots any day.

And as far as the TEA parties go. There were probably a couple that were racially motivated, just like there were probably a couple black people who voted for Obama because he was black and on no other grounds. There are racists in every ethnic group, so stop trying to blame the white community for it.

Shut up and toughen up. That's all I'm allowed to do.


Posted By: Brad (Guest)  on May 14, 2009 at 01:15 AM

 
 
I have no problem with people saying what they want. But that doesn't mean I won't tell them I think they're wrong. That's what's so great about free speech - if you wanna say something, you can expect a response. I fully understand that.

Also, did I ever say I was gay? I said that was the perception some people have had based on the way I dress. Whether or not I am doesn't matter. The fact that someone had to make a comment on my appearance speaks poorly of their character. I can accept that someone isn't going accept me, but I'm not going to quietly walk away and pretend I don't have an opinion on it.

We all have insecurities we have to deal with. If you're uncomfortable with something, then learn to deal with it because this country is going to be getting a whole more different than it's been. If you're white and don't like blacks or latinos, guess what? They're eventually gonna outnumber you in a good number of states (and already do in some). If you don't like gays, guess what? Most states are eventually going to legalize same-sex marriage. If you don't like Muslims, guess what? It's one of the fastest growing religions throughout the world, and in this country. All of these are things you're going to have to deal with whether you agree with them or not.

The point I'm trying to illustrate is that living with your insecurities and thinking they're okay is what cripples society. Shit wouldn't have gotten done in this country if people didn't work to overcome their prejudices and insecurities. Do you really think this country would've made it as far as we have had we stopped in the 1950s and said, "Hey, you're racist. I don't agree with what you're doing but I'm going to tolerate the discrimination because it's your opinion."


Posted By: Guest#6160 (Guest)  on May 14, 2009 at 01:32 AM

 
 
"I see white kids dressing in the exact same "thug" manner, and I don't see them draw nearly the same type of negative attention a black kid does in the same situation."

Completely agree with this. Afro Saxons are the butt end of jokes and laughed at because let's face it, they look ridiculous.


Posted By: JD (Guest)  on May 14, 2009 at 04:11 AM

 
 
"If you don't like Muslims, guess what? It's one of the fastest growing religions throughout the world, and in this country."

Actually, Atheism is the fastest growing religious group (as much of a contradiction as that sounds!)


Posted By: JD (Guest)  on May 14, 2009 at 04:18 AM

 
 
'As a metal-head myself, I can attest first hand to the weird looks you get from people not normally around metal shirts and music'

25 yrs ago, I was kicked out of a local restaurant because I was wearing a red lumberjacket (the required uniform for pot-heads at the time) and was offended.

Looking back at that time, I realize that's exactly what I wanted. I wanted to be different, so I dressed different, but became mad because I was treated differently. It fed into my misguided belief that the world hated me for being different when really it was my own anti-social behavior that did it. My outfit only advertised it.

It's the same hypocrisy now. People spend so much time and effort trying to show the world how awesome they are being different - yet get mad when they are treated differently.

Its also the same story as a women with small breasts who gets implants so people will notice her - then gets offended when people do notice.

If you dress like a clown to show everyone you are a clown, then people will judge you as a clown.


Posted By: Mikel (too lazy to log in) (Guest)  on May 14, 2009 at 10:12 AM

 
 
Guest- you said:

"Do you really think this country would've made it as far as we have had we stopped in the 1950s and said, "Hey, you're racist. I don't agree with what you're doing but I'm going to tolerate the discrimination because it's your opinion.""

Yes.

Have you actually listened to Dr. Martian Luther King Jrs. speech: "I Have a Dream?"

That is an example of tolerance.

You can't regulate morals and ethics.

You can't create a law that says your not allowed to be a bigot.

There has been a story in the news lately about this family buying nothing but stuff from Black store owners...

If a person wanted to be politically correct they would say "thats fucked up- they should by from everyone- what if I buyed only from White store owners."

Tolerence is saying "Good for them- I don't give a shit."

Do you see the difference.

So Yes; you're supposed to just deal with the fact that people have a right to hate your guts and can say whatever the fuck they want about you.

Its called freedom.

It's fucked up, but that's what freedom is- and you mother fuckers have yet to understand how that works.

Pick up and read The Republic by Socrates.

The entire conversation is about a society that has so many rights to protect the feelings of everyone that it turns into a tyranny because people turn one man to protect those rights.

So he basically protects their rights by taking them away.

If you're so worried about what someone says to you- and so is everyone else- the only possible way to make you happy is to censor what you can say.

You just gave up your rights to free speech so that somebody would not hurt your feelings.

It's fucking stupid.

If everyone would just accept that life is not fair and not everyone is going to like you based on your religion, skin color, sexual behavior, gender, etc. we would all be better off.

A free society allows for tolerence.

A tyranny allows only political correctness. And you still won't get to decide what that is.

Stop bitching this country into a tyranny.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on May 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM

 
 
The democrats are genius-- as white people these days are so self loathing all you have to tell them is that disagreeing with Obama is "racist" and they will fall right in line out of fear of being called an evil, evil "racist"

Posted By: M:-X (Guest)  on May 14, 2009 at 02:06 PM

 
 
Take a look at other countries around the world. People of the same race, ethnicity, etc. find creative ways to discriminate against one another.

In the Philippines, for example, if you have a Chinese last name you are considered (by the average person) to be wealthy. If you don't have a Spanish last name, people look down on you. If you have a flat nose, dark skin, and a cheap mobile phone, people will automatically assume that you are a servant and will ignore you if you are in a store even if you have enough money on you to buy out their entire stock of a certain item. This is a true story that happened to a staff member of mine in Cebu when she went shopping.

Back to the States. Everybody "hates" everybody...or at least that's what we are led to believe by self-marketing geniuses like Ms. Gerofalo. I mean c'mon...how many of you HONESTLY believe, when you stop and think about it, that Ms. Gerofalo really believes what she (herself) is saying?

She is a comedian (an unfunny comedian but a comedian at that) and an ENTERTAINER. She knows full well what she says is inflammatory and controversial. When I was younger and more naive to the world of marketing, I also used to get pissed off by the inflammatory things that came out of her mouth. Her words were (and still are) no less racist or bigoted then than they are now. It's just that as she gets older, she explicitly increases her level of controversy since she doesn't fit in well with the college circuit like she did in the early 90's. The left becomes deaf to her bigoted blanket statements when her words suit their political motivations. Excusing her to speak her mind in such a narrow-minded way is not only self-serving but it's a double standard. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

So again, Ms. Gerofalo is an aging comedian and ENTERTAINER that has garnered/polarized a following on the day that she realized that she sold more tickets by ranting to those who wanted to listen to her politics instead of her unfunny jokes. Over the years she has become a master of stroking people the wrong way. She probably gets a good laugh at BOTH the left and the right after she riles everyone up with a paragraph like the above. I know I would if I was her.

She has been laughing at everyone all the way to the bank as she deposits large checks for her personal appearances and other sources of revenue.

Again, everyone, the woman is a marketing genius just like Madonna, U2/Bono, Michael Moore, Jerry Springer, and everyone else who has managed to remain relevant long after their career has "Jumped the Shark".

The heat in this thread says it all in that she does her job very well at the expense of all of you who encourage her. If you don't like her, ignore her.


Posted By: Outsourced (Guest)  on May 23, 2009 at 10:38 AM

 
 
I found this to be amusing:

"Historically, it has been very easy to set off "the tinge" when dealing with Republicans, be it due to the community-annihilating "War on Drugs" or the need to repeatedly show the same two Black people in the crowd at the Republican National Convention (my circle of friends eventually labeled them "Old Black Guy" and "Older Black Guy" – "And… cue camera switch to Older Black Guy… looking… the same way he was fifteen minutes ago"). The tinge simply makes it hard to be a minority conservative."

When I was in my late teens and early 20's I used to think that all minorities blanket voted for Democrats. That was until, over the last 15 years, nearly everyone I have known who was professional and black was either a Republican or considered themselves to be conservative (as long as their uneducated extended families didn't know). If you are successful and black, there is quite a bit of pressure to vote a certain way by your peers or you are made to feel that you are "responsible" for where you came from. The reality is that for most professional minorities earning high incomes as business owners or executives, once they got themselves away from the misery and self-pity of their peers they stayed as far away as possible. Why should they feel responsible for their former communities when they have businesses to run, corporate ladders to climb, and families to raise? Do white people who escaped from the trailor parks (again the majority of poor Americans are rural and white) feel the need to go back there and turn double-wides into ranch style homes? Of course not. There is only so much that you can do for people and ultimately you are responsible for yourself.

Plus as a parent you wouldn't want your children to think that it's ok to be a gangsta or a meth dealer since you grew up in a rough neighborhood. Most parents not only keep their children away from their past but they'll do everything to show how they are not like "those people" if they even tell their kids at all about their origins.

If we have time to "give back", there are plenty of ways to help charities who have expertise. Charity is SUPPOSED to be private, personal, and apolitical. It's politicians that pressure minorities into thinking that they should vote a certain way or do certain things to avoid being labelled as a Race Traitor, an Uncle Tom, or a Sellout.

So if you only see a couple of old black men at Republican conventions can you really say that you are being fair in your assessment that they are only ones who are voting for the party? Or could it just be that the rest have better things to do than go to political rallies?

It's simple: "If you want to get ahead, vote Republican. If you want to stay ahead, vote Democrat." I did.


Posted By: Roundtheworld (Guest)  on May 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM

 
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