Why Do Liberals Blame Fox News for Everything?
Posted by Joe Rivett on 06.02.2009
Keith Olbermann crossed the line...
As much as I am Mr. Pro Choice, I'm tired of Left wing radio, cable, and blogs all blaming the George Tiller killing on the Pro-Life movement and/or Fox News. His killer was Scott P. Roeder, an anti-government wacko. Liberals love to look for the hidden meaning or cause behind everything but sometimes you just have to call a man what he is, a murderer. I worked in the same jail as James Kopp who killed an abortion doctor in the 90s. James Kopp didn't do it because of Fox News, James Kopp was a very sick man. Scott Roeder should be put to death for committing an act of terrorism as the killing was meant for political reasons and to scare anyone going near a clinic. But please Lefties, leave Bill O out of this.
Therefore, the douche of the day is Keith Olbermann for saying:
"Fox News Channel will never restrain itself from incitement of murder and terrorism not until its profits begin to decline, when its growth stops, so not so much a boycott here as a quarantine, because this has got to stop…The goal here is to get this blindly irresponsible man and his ilk off the air. We are only in the television news business, a profession that is at times about two inches up from carnival barking. We must again separate it, television, from terrorism, and we must again make the world safe for people condemned by the Fox News Channel."
Keith, you have become the Left-wing version of Bill O. It shouldn't be hard to be more classy than Bill. Hell, you can't even come up with an original closing phrase and I really don't care how many days it has been since Mission Accomplished. Your show is getting old and follows the same pattern everyday. Somehow the number five story is the most important and the number one story is stupid. Your "worst persons in the world" segment is nothing more than Bill's pinheads. Rachel Maddow is a classy left-wing host, I can't wait for the day she beats you on a nightly basis. Even when I disagree with her, I just don't get the douche chill that you give me.
news in general is always biased or exaggerated. It happens on MSNBC, it happens on FoxNews, even on CNN.
Its because the people who run these networks and these companies care about one thing and one thing only. Ratings.
Bill O CONSTANTLY talks about how he has better ratings than anyone, and somehow thats supposed to make your news show credible? Because lots of people watch it?
If Rupert Murdoch thought he could make more money with a Liberal Left wing news station, he would do it in a heartbeat.
News in general is out to get viewers, not to tell the truth, not to report facts, but to suck you into their stories so you stick around after the commercials. Its pathetic.
Posted By: mike (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 01:43 AM
The question should be, why do right wingers including Bill O'Rielly, blame all the ills of our society on liberals and Democrats? Keith was spot-on per usual. Domestic terrorism hype by Fox News rhetoric must end!
Posted By: Ed Johnson (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 01:52 AM
Joe, well said.I aam disheartened about what happend to Tiller.I even in the past have refered to him as Tiller the baby killer.My hatred for him doing abortions even as late as the due date is nightmarish for me.That being said, even if I disagree with his brutality, it does not excuse a single nut killing him in a church.
Its not the way to have a discussion about abortion.Killing becuase of.....well some would call killing is wrong.
I have watched O,Reilly for a long time and he has never advocated violence when it comes to Tiller.Olbermanns reaction for cheap ratings is deplorable.
Olbermann does no justice to the left wing in any circumstance.He is a hate monger."chicken and waffles"Olbermann is a asshole plain and simple.The more the left distances themselves from this hate monger, the better they would be.
Finally Joe, there is a left wing person such as yourself calling out a human piece of trash.I have new respect for you.Thank you.
Posted By: John (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 02:07 AM
fox news does not promote domestic terrosim, this was a anarachist, and yeah fox news is in the business of ratings and it's primetime is #1, why do u think rick sanchez was moved to early afternoon at cnn, becuase his butt was being kicked every night and he was being laughrd at and oh yeah he had that whole week of bill o'reilly's a racist, by taking a comment from bill o'reilly, that was on media matters, and oh yeah also had a syracuse profeesorr call Juan Williams "a happy negro", i mean people laughed at fox news when they launched, saying there style of reporting, u know preseneting both sides, would fail. Plus Olberman's a joke he's guy that couldn't draw a fly if he didn't have msnbc backing him, and oh yeah for a time he worked for fox sports, and that show was unwatchable. to the dems the talking points are blame bush, fox news is evil, and is pro republican, even though they have just as many liberals as conseratives
Posted By: coby preimesberger (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 02:09 AM
Fox News is the only national news source (aside from talk radio) that gives the CONSERVATIVE view point as well as the liberal. Therefor, it is the enemy regardless. As much as liberals loooove "diversity", they sure don't like to have their opinions challenged. In this world, you can black, green, pokadot, gay, bi, upside down backwards man and be loved by liberals for standing up for your morals and what you believe in. But as soon as they find out you're a christian conservative... raciest, radical right-winger, terrorist, hate monger, ect.
Fox News is the only haven for conservatives, there for, the liberal army must attack it. And when they finish their greatest weapon, the "fairness" doctrine, it will be like a nuke on everything and anything liberals. don't. agree with.
Posted By: Rehab (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 02:37 AM
I'm sorry but calling Dr Tiller "the baby killer" and using words like "barbarian and murderer and saying Dr. tiller should be in hell is not just asking for a extremist pro life nut to asassinate Dr Tiller? Fox News is nothing but opinions and exaggerations and even flat out lies disguised as a news channel. They may be #1 in cable news but really half that audience is the right wing and the other half folks just curious as to what psycho babble their gonna spout out next. Meethinks this Joe Rivet guy just doesnt like Keith Olbermann, beacuse a Fox News quarantine would be just what the doctor ordered. A little less HATE AND DIS-INFORMATION ON THE AIRWAVES.
Posted By: sirlaz187 (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 03:05 AM
So the problem isn't the right wing talk show hosts it's the left? Let's just stop blaming talk show hosts all together, eh?
Posted By: Jake G (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 03:18 AM
I don't even need to read the article, the answer to the title is simple: They are the dumbest group of reporters and their verbal attacks on people are just plain unprofessional. I think political news is a terrible thing, a lot of people seem to just latch on to ideas that people on cnn and fox create, when they are entirely bad ideas.
Posted By: Tony (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 04:10 AM
Watched both Keith and Bill's shows simultaneously...Both of them should shut up. Joe is right, Olbermann went over the line and blamed Fox New/Right Wingers. At the same time, Right Winger Nuts should shut up when they say they are glad he's dead.
The issue of Abortion is something I cannot rap my head around. Both sides have vaild points, but after so many groups kept arguing to the extreme for both side issues, I just stopped caring. But a man/woman has to have an opinion of such things so hears mine:
Having children is a great experience human kind can ever endure, but I see dumbasses everyday that act like the scum of the earth and makes me wonder "why weren't THEY aborted". People argue about adoption, and yet I keep hearing sad stories of children who stay in the damn system 'til adulthood, and keep wondering why people are adopting abroad. Life is a precious thing, but it's even more saddening to see life get wasted away of things such as love and kindness to children wondering "why don't they want me?"
To put it simply, I'm not totally for abortion, but will respect the right of the woman to do so. At the same time, if the children are given up, to the people who are serious about Pro-Life: Adopt them. Seriously, you have enough time when you protest and rally against abortion. Why not put your money where your mouth is? Show them the life that they should have, as a loving human being, as a "child of God" you say they are.
Both sides drive me nuts, and Billy the Kid and Mr. ESPN should stfu equally.
Posted By: Last is the First (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 04:41 AM
I disagree with you Joe. You're the same guy that said McCain won the first debate with Obama when Obama was the one who won that debate.
Posted By: you are wrong joe (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 06:34 AM
Considering my name is James Copp I have a few things to say here.
1, exactly what is that Olbermann quote referring to? You gave to context, and nothing specifically that he was responding to. I can understand you being upset with his grandiose way of speaking, and his exaggerating manner, but who doesn't exaggerate in the TV news opinion sector? How about a little comparison?
Bill O: “Remember, ladies and gentlemen, if gay marriage is OK then you’re going to have all marriages OK. You can’t say gay can marry; but triads can’t, or polygamous can’t, or marrying your cousin. Under equal protection, it’s everybody can do whatever they want. You can’t say we’re just going to get one group in.”
Or this one.
"Now the reason things continue to go so well is that we're not just a TV news program. We're on a mission to help the good guys and take down the bad guys." Bill O'Reilly, O'Reilly Factor, 12/21/07
Little grandiose. The things he rallies against, like pro abortion types, is good vs. bad. Or good vs. evil, like W. tried to paint everything. When everything is put into white and black terms like that, it DOES let people who are crazy whack jobs like James Kopp and Scott P. Roeder think the worst of it. They are crazy nutjobs, and when something is branded bad or evil, they could easily think it needs to be destroyed. The power of words is stronger than Bill O'Reilly realizes. He needs to check his mouth sometimes.
Posted By: James (Registered) (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 06:53 AM
Keith does make a good point at one point in his commentary though, when he says that conservatives blame liberal television for destroying American values, brainwashing children and brainwashing voters. Yet when bad stuff happens that can be directly linked to their commentaries, their works and their words, they completely brush it off. It was okay to blame Columbine on Marilyn Manson and 'evolutionists'. It was okay to blame the liberal MTV for the decline of values in society. But when a guy walks into a liberal church and opens fire, and directly references Fox News and books written by conservatives, then there is no problem. When this assassin (please let's us on the left not throw the word 'terrorist' around as liberally as we criticize the right for doing) killed Mr Tiller, it can be directly attributed, in the same way that Conservatives blamed Marilyn Manson for Columbine, to Fox News and reactionary conservative commentators. If the boot fits on the left foot, it will also fit on the right.
Posted By: MW (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 07:40 AM
Why is there little investigative analysis afforded similarly to Muslims when they commit their religious-based violence?
Some Christian anti-choice nutjob murders a doctor and we all scramble to delve into his character and explore the cognitive process that led him to such acts.
A Muslim kills someone who disagrees with his moronic belief, and, well, it's because he's a Muslim; 'that's what they do, it's a disgusting religion'
Same with other non-Christian murderers; some kid shoots up his school, 'ah, it's because he listened to Avenged Sevenfold!'. Come a Christian murderer, I don't think all the PR companies in the world could react with the same ferocity to protect their product than Christians.
I find it hilarious someone purporting to be pro-life chose to end that of someone who didn't agree with him. Many more in agreement with him but without the inclination towards violence (or more importantly, its lawful repurcussions) I'm sure are equally oblivious to the irony.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 09:14 AM
Olbermann is a miserable human being, plain and simple.
Posted By: RTL (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 09:17 AM
I think the big difficulty is perception. For example, here are some quotes from the Fox News article I read on this issue:
"The pro-life activists also used the platform to blast President Obama's abortion policies and strongly question the beliefs of his Supreme Court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor.
"It is immoral and it is unchristian," Rev. Rob Schenck of the National Clergy Council said of Tiller's murder. He said the reaction to it "becomes a greater setback to the pro-life movement than anything the so-called pro-choice movement could do."
"We call on President Obama and the [congressional leaders] not to use this tragedy for political gain," added Rev. Patrick Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalitions. "
"The group's former president, Randall Terry, said that, despite Tiller's murder, abortion opponents must not retreat from calling him a "mass murderer."
"The pro-life movement must not be browbeaten by Obama or the child-killers into surrendering our best rhetoric, actions and images. We hold absolutely no responsibility for his death," Terry said in a written statement.
Separately on Monday, Mahoney said it would be a "double tragedy" if politicians or pro-choice groups painted organizations like his with the "broad brush of extremism and violence."
He also used the occasion to attack Obama's abortion policies as "extreme" and said there was no doubt, based on the president's record, that Sotomayor will be a vote for abortion rights if she is confirmed to the Supreme Court.
"Be honest with us," Mahoney said when talking about White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs' comments last week that Sotomayor was never asked or explicitly stated her abortion views during the vetting process.
Mahoney took issue with the "code words" coming from the White House about Sotomayor and abortion. But he acknowledged that Sotomayor's record as a federal judge reflects something far different than someone pushing a pro-choice agenda. He conceded that in three known abortion cases before her, Sotomayor supported the position he advocated. None of those cases, however, directly challenged the controversial law."
I think one problem is that the spokesperson in this case was more concerned with continuing his "rhetoric" than anything else...
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 10:22 AM
“please let's us on the left not throw the word 'terrorist' around as liberally as we criticize the right for doing”
Why not? The guy was part of a religious fundamentalist group whose goal was to murder and intimidate in the name of changing public policy. Because they’re white and Christian things suddenly become gray?
And could somebody tell me why the narrative is being shifted from a problem of domestic terrorism to a matter of bio-ethics? Isn’t that exactly what the murderer wants to happen?
Posted By: Guest#4861 (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Yeah, pardon my rampant typos, and negate the first couple of sentences in my previous post. I had just woken up and was wearing a wrist brace. I love how, in the Fox News report quotes posted above, they say that democrats shouldn't use this for political gain, and turn right around and use it for political gain. In the same breath! Republicans are grasping at straws and are using anything they can to gain ground. Like using a dead hispanic-AMERICAN baby who died of swine flu to get his rhetoric about IMMIGRATION on the table. And this was a REPUBLICAN HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE! This is the kind of SHIT Olbermann rallies against and to call him a miserable human being is just sad. Disagree with him on politics if you want, but I don't see "Papa Bear" O'Reilly defending the dead AMERICAN baby. Case and point.
Posted By: James (Registered) (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:06 AM
My problem with Fox News is their logo of "We report, you decide." Ok, news should not be a true and false test. It should be factual not a game. Fox News really has outdone themselves with the murder of this doctor to the point of creating a false sense of fear about those dirty pro-choices going to shoot up everybody. Now when someone calls Fox out for this, they are the bad guy. Please save your column for that piece of garbage website Politico.
Posted By: AFan (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Further support for my position of not having cable television. Why would anyone choose to spend their evenings watching this crap? Well, people do like crap I guess.
Cable Free Since 93 and loving it.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:36 AM
This is the great hypocrisy of most liberals nowadays. They blast FOX for a supposed conservative bias (yeah some bias when Murdoch supported Hillary Clinton). Yet, these same liberals have no problem with phonies like Keith Odorman and Anderson Cooper -360 going on and on with their liberal bias.
And let's face it. This country has alawys been center right. No wonder MSNBC has such low ratings and no wonder all the liberal newspaper rags are going bankrupt.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:45 AM
And this is why I get my news from BBC America. They're the only ones who report the news instead of trying to influence the news.
Agree with pretty much everything you said, Joe.
Maddow > Olbermann
Posted By: Zack (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Last is First,
I agree thatit's a sad thing when kids are left in the system until adulthood and never adopted, but do you think any of those kids, if asked, would say they would have rather been aborted?
A bit of a stretch, no?
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I agree completely Joe. When O'Reilly, Rush, etc. say awful things and the right never objects, I consider that a sign they are in agreement. Lefties should be calling out guys like Olbermann for being just as bad, or it's like quietly saying we agree with him.
"The goal here is to get this blindly irresponsible man and his ilk off the air."
A nutcase could easily interpret that as an order to kill. How is Olbermann not doing exactly what he's complaining about?
As for Rachel Maddow, she doesn't have that smug vibe of delusional superiority, but her show blurs the line between journalism and editorializing. That makes me dislike it despite usually agreeing with her on the issues.
Then there's the promotion of a liberal stereotype: criminals are never to blame for their actions. This is another stupid notion that sensible lefties need to loudly reject. Olbermann and Maddow both all but claimed Bill O put the gun in the guy's hand. When you can't make a point without that level of sensationalizing, you should just shut up. And that goes for those trying to use the word "terrorist" in this case. Using this event to get on your soapbox about abortion and demonize those who are anti-choice is baseless and doesn't help your case.
Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I hate to say this, but Fox News is to blame for this. Bill O called him "Tiller The Baby Killer" multiple times. When you stoke these fires, ala the McCain rallies where people were shouting "Kill him" in reference to Obama, you bare to blame when things like this happen.
And on top of that, to kill a man inside of a church, a place of sanctuary, while being an advocate of life, makes you a hypocrite.
Futhermore, abortion is legal. It is a legal medical procedure. If you don't like it, don't do it. But do not block people who have made their choice. It is their right.
Fox News has been at this for years now, and it's time someone called them on it. From they B.S. known as the "Fox News Tax Day Tea Parties" as far back as getting their talking point from the White House During the Bush administration. They are a joke as far as being an "unbiased" news network.
Olbermann said it best last night: if you enter an establishment that has Fox News on, kindly ask them to change the channel. If they do not, get up and leave explaining why you are doing so. I certainly will.
And to all those out there, we need to stop the madness. All of it. On both sides. We've seen Presidents, activists, politicians, and doctors killed over stupidity such as this. How many more need to die before we learn?
Note, I am a liberal. I am also pro-choice. I am no longer very religious, though I was going to be a priest at one time. Things like this, among other personal issues, caused me to leave religion out of my life.
That being said, I will pray for both families: Dr. Tiller's as well as Scott Roeder's. Both could probably use that a lot more than fighting.
Posted By: CMatt666 (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 12:26 PM
It doesn't matter who said what. Liberal or conservative, Fox News or MSNBC, Bill O. or Olbermann. The douche here is the media in general. They hype everything up to make their story look appealing. If you stop watching cable news you will not get that douchey vibe. A murderer is a murderer. This killer is a sick man. It doesn't matter who he killed. All that matters is that he killed. Plain and simple. Stop all the hype!
Posted By: Arrrrrrrrrr (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 03:13 PM
The question should be, why do right wingers including Bill O'Rielly, blame all the ills of our society on liberals and Democrats? Keith was spot-on per usual. Domestic terrorism hype by Fox News rhetoric must end!
Posted By: Ed Johnson (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 01:52 AM
Because most of society's ills are caused by liberals and Democrats. It sounds trite to blame it on a single group, but the facts are the facts, and most of our problems are caused by liberal policies.
Posted By: Well Duh... (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 04:03 PM
To George Tiller: KARMA, BITCH!!!
Posted By: Karma Chameleon (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 04:06 PM
I think you meant 'Faux News'.... It's true all news channels are biased, but faux news takes the cake! they distort reality in dangerous ways! It's like they're egging on a revolution or a second civil war!
Posted By: LawrenceNY (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 04:34 PM
'To George Tiller: KARMA, BITCH!!!'
no one could possibly say it any better.
Posted By: Mikel (too lazy to log in) (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 04:41 PM
The guy was apparently a fringe, anti-government extremist. I don't think Fox or any other news source is at fault. After all, Tim McVeigh was a fringe extremist before Fox News took off. Unforunately, it happens.
As for conservatives blaming all the world's ills on liberals/Democrats, how is that any different than liberals who blame all of our problems on Bush. Both sides are guility of this to a degree.
Posted By: Stone Cold (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 05:08 PM
Got to love a self professed liberal who said the Tea Parties were organized by FOX. The fact is, they were the only media outlet with any balls to defy the Obama Administration and show it.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 05:47 PM
It's sad that some are using the killing of a man to advance their point of view. No one wins these debates, it just shows hoe terrible this world has become.
Posted By: Dent Kelly (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 05:54 PM
Everyone needs to delete the news channels off their TV's and realize how much better your live is not watching these dumbasses spew the same shit back and forth, year after year. You all need to wise up. Quit being puppets to oneside or the other.
Posted By: Get a clue (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 08:15 PM
"I agree thatit's a sad thing when kids are left in the system until adulthood and never adopted, but do you think any of those kids, if asked, would say they would have rather been aborted?"
You must come from a small fucking town to not have any homeless crack babies running around.
Posted By: Guest#2926 (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 08:34 PM
Gotta love the responses by the right wingers they are so well programmed.
Posted By: Guest#0297 (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 09:01 PM
Anyone who holds Olberman in any esteem while blasting O'Reilly is the pot calling the kettle black.
Freedom of Speech assholes. If someone is 'persuaded to kill' by Fox News, you better believe they were just stupid enough to be 'persuaded to kill' by CNN. Let's just censor everyone so noone gets hurt, because sociopathic maniacs didn't exist before mass media.
Both sides of the idiot spectrum firing shots at each other. Enough is enough
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Got to love left wingers who run away from confrontation any time facts are presented. That is such a progressive trait I guess.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:12 PM
"Why Do Liberals Blame Fox News for Everything? "
They don't. Calling out Fox news for inciting this kind of behavior isn't blaming them for it. But grey areas don't make for good traffic I guess.
Posted By: Gnome (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:33 PM
"Why Do Liberals Blame Fox News for Everything?"
They don't. Calling out someone for inciting violent behavior isn't blaming them.
But grey areas are hard for some people to comprehend I guess, and certainly don't make for good traffic.
Posted By: Guest#0147 (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Both sides of this issue, O'Reilly and Olbermann, are idiots. Plain and simple. And anyone who doesn't realize that those two men don't report the 'news' for anything other than ratings is an idiot. Plain and simple.
And as far as the 'Tiller the Baby Killer' moniker goes. The man wasn't killed because he was an abortion doctor. The man hadn't been targeted for 30 years for being an abortion doctor. The reason he was public enemy number one to the Pro-Life radicals was because he performed partial birth abortions, and tried to advocate that to be a part of tax-sponsored healthcare. Not saying that him getting killed was a good thing, but it was pretty stupid of him to continue a procedure that made him the biggest target in the nation for these people, for nothing other than dollar signs and tax breaks. Especially stupid on his part after they tried to kill him for it the first 5 times. It's a shame they resorted to violence, but it's not that unexpected. If someone is trying to kill me because of something I do at work, I'll alter my work habits.
Oh, and before we get the bleeding-hearts in here talking about how great of a service he was doing, do some research on partial-birth abortion and tell me how it isn't murdering a child. Or better yet, tell me why partial birth abortion isn't murder, but murdering a pregnant woman is a double homicide. I'll be waiting
If you want to scramble up that embryo like an egg a month or two after conception, go for it. I'll give you that choice and be happy about it. But to advocate taking 9 months to decide to abort the child with a much more invasive, dangerous, and expensive procedure is simple lunacy.
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Bill O'Reilly and Keith Olbermann are both huge braying jackasses.
Posted By: Kyle (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 11:44 PM
I can't believe what I'm reading in the comments.
Every single one of you sicken me.
Posted By: DK (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Da Man
Never implied or meant to imply that they would think of that. I meant as of there situation, would wonder why they were in such one and why people wouldn't adpote them. Sort of a bad reply, but nevertheless.
Posted By: Last is the First (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 03:08 AM
What is amazing to me is that nobody is blaming liberal mother fuckers like Olbermann or Cooper or whoever for the shooting deaths of two young soldiers who just graduated basic training and were home doing hometown recruiting.
We have one case of a guy who kills babies- not embryos, but babies. For profit. Now the act of murder is wrong- and it's not justified, but the media acts like the FOX is to blame- at least Olbermann.
But what about the 2nd case- of a black american, who converted to islam and attacked and killed a soldier and wounded another?
Where is the media outrage there? How many times has Olberman or Maddow or Cooper or whoever claimed we are fighting an "illegal war"...despite that Obama and liberals have continued to fund this war since its inception?
Why is nobody blaming them for the actions of a man who murdered another man due to political ideology.
There is known because there is no reason to do so...just because Olberman thinks that the war is illegal he would never support the killing of a solider- I hate his guts but honestly believe that.
So why would Olbermann believe that Bill O would suppport the killing of a guy who kills babies for profit?
Because at the end of the day the fact is Olbermann is a fucking asshole. He also has spastic shit problems and shits himself if he farts- this is a true fact! Google it.
It has nothing to do with his judgement- but just shows why he is a miserable person.
It makes no sense to blame anyone other than the person who commits the act.
The liberal way is to blame others for their actions. Everytime- and they do it well...watch the muslim who murdered a soldier pleaded not guilty already- and the liberal media and Obama w/ Eric Holder will make sure he gets off.
He will be made to look like a victim- when he is a killer.
Fucking liberals- blame the wrong people, deny any wrong doing...bunch of assholes.
Posted By: The Spook (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 03:17 AM
Got to love a self professed liberal who said the Tea Parties were organized by FOX. The fact is, they were the only media outlet with any balls to defy the Obama Administration and show it.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on June 02, 2009 at 05:47 PM
Michael,
Hate to say this, but when you host "Fox News Tax Day Tea Parties", as Fox News did. You are endorsing revolt against your government. It's like the "Tostitos Fiesta Bowl". You are endorsing it. When Cody Willard, a Fox News reporter shouts "When are we going to stand up and fight the fascism that is permeating through this counrty?", you are stoking fires that once lit, cannot be put out. And Fox News is guilty of doing so. Period.
I'm a liberal, very much so. But I also can use my mind and think about how dangerous hate-speech is. I have conservative friends with the same abilty. We talk openly about our views, without hate. We just joke on each other.
People are very scared that a black man is in the White House. These people do not think rationally. Rilling them up can lead to very bad things. As a man of mixed race(African American and American Indian, just to answer that), I am truly happy to see that President Obama has not been shot at yet. Sad but true.
The point is, hate-speech, regardless of political or religious leanings, can and has had dire consequences. As I said, we ALL need to be aware of the fact that words have power. We need to be mindful of the damage our words can cause.
As far as Dr. Tiller's profession. He was doing his job. A legal job. He had the right to do his job without being threatened for years, or be called a killer.
And to the "pro-lifers", and I use that term loosely, celebrating his murder: you are hypoctries, and certainly not people of God. Especially given that he was killed in the only sanctuary most have: church. Holy ground.
Crap like this is why I left the church, and why I'll never go back.
Posted By: CMatt666 (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 03:18 AM
Alright. I'm going to explain what calble news is. It's a commercial entity owned by Newscorp and GE owns NBC Universal. NBC develops, produces, and markets entertainment, news, and information to a global customer base. Newscorp got its start with tabloids, South Australia's "The News" and America's "National Star"
To this day if you look at Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Myspace, Weekly Standard, the Fox Broadcasting company et al, or look at any of the GE owned companies what is their main goal?
To turn a profit. All news channels do, is sell commercial space to earn advertising revenue. How do they do it? By marketing specifically to a target demographic. To do so they put charismatic pundits to fill the airwaves with material designed to influence a certain crowd and make money.
It doesn't matter what side of the issue you're on- to expect anything short of commercialism is folly. And to get emotionally invested in what this is- entertainment branded as unvarnished truth- is to accept a line of product they've been selling for years.
So lighten up, don't take it seriously, and if anything don't use it to justify or condemn a murder- just think for yourself.
Posted By: The Weesel (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 03:50 AM
Nah...we aren't blaming the liberals. We are just blaming people like YOU.
Posted By: David (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 04:01 AM
I agree that Bill O'Reilly and FoxNews should not be blamed for the killing of George Tiller.
On a separate note, Bill O'Reilly had no problem whatsoever with accusing Marylin Manson of affecting the minds of the Columbine killers 10 years ago. And that was based on musical lyrics.
So if Bill O has a daily show where he tells people that this man executes babies and is essentially Hitler, and can go and accuse Marylin Manson of brainwashing troubled children, why can't Bill O see that he might be affecting adult nutjobs by telling people that this guy is a modern day Hitler straight up. Theres no ambiguity in his words. With music in general, it is art, it can be interpreted as such. But Bill O flat out tells his viewers that this guy has killed 60,000 would be american citizens. And then says "dont blame me" when someone kills this man in his church.
No matter anyones viewpoints, I'd like to live in a country where I won't be killed for what I believe.
Posted By: mike (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 08:50 AM
Liberals blame Fox because what other target is there?
You have a sea of blue and one red beacon. Where would you steer the ship?
Posted By: demOcratic (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Again, the liberals in this thread confuse opposition to a socialist President as hate speech and even claim it's racism! Absolutely pathetic. Our constitution doesn't protect "polite speech". Dissent to our pathetic President isn't hatred or racism. It's speaking our mind and using our right to free speech that we still have until its taken away.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Bill O. is a controversial blowhard. But agree or disagree he's pretty good at what he does.
Oblermann on the other hand is a total joke. His opinion/commentary is so bad that it's virtually unwatchable. He comes across as very adolescent, petulant, whiney and idiotic.
O'Reilly: Somewhat irritation
Olberman: Worst..."journalist"...ever...
Posted By: sal minella (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 01:25 PM
Liberals don't blame Fox News for everything. They're just pissed off that it's an organization that's so blatantly pro-conservative and anti-liberal that their shows are anything but "fair & balanced." MSNBC might lean towards the left on a few things but they have nothing on the right-wing bias that Fox News has.
"But look at Fox's ratings! Look at O'Reilly's rating! They must truly be speaking for a majority of Americans! They don't like Obama!"
Sorry. A majority of the people chose to elect a man who stood for change than an old white man who represented more of the same. Fox News is made up of a bunch of whiny, pissy little babies that are growing more & more unhappy that the Republican party is falling apart.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 05:07 PM
Q: "Why Do Liberals Blame Fox News for Everything?"
A: Because Fox News blames liberals for everything.
Posted By: Axle (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 05:42 PM
I think Olbermann's point is that FOX News helped to create and sustain a climate that would allow people predisposed to violence against legal health care providers over the abortion issue to feel justified.
By dehumanizing Dr. Tiller, they failed to provide a check against social sanction of this activity. They became a proximate cause, not a prime cause.
There is always going to be some gray area when it comes to when speech actually serves to incite action, and the legal standard differs from the moral standard. Did FOX's on-air talent meet the legal definition of incitement? No. But the ethical? Sure seems like it.
FOX cited thousands and thousands of late term abortions this man had committed. How would they know? Did they have someone count the women as they went in and out? Seems awful high of a number to me just in practical terms, but the claim goes unchecked.
And that underscores the point of why most people who consider FOX scandalous do so. There is no journalism done there. You can't afford to be wrong on the facts and expect your credibility to not suffer. And they fairly routinely are.
They were reading White House talking points verbatim during Bush/Cheney, and they're doing RNC's greatest hits now. That's not what journalists do. Regardless of what you choose to believe of MSNBC or CNN, they don't do that. Those networks have already been critical of Obama since he was elected in ways that FOX never was of Bush.
Posted By: The Omen (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 07:40 PM
the problem is there are more examples of nutjobs who have been inspired by fox hosts over the past year enough to make you at least considr that when they create 24 hour hate-spewing propaganda there are going to be for lack of a better word, nutjobs, who go after the evil america-hating-socialists to protect america.
fox news. we report. you commit homicides...
Posted By: elry (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Obama won by only 52% of the vote. Sorry left winger, that is not a mandate to try to silently socialize this country and nationalize our car industry. Face it. Your President has shown himself to be inept.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on June 03, 2009 at 11:43 PM
cmatt tiller was theratened not becuase of the leagl abortions he perfomred but because of the illegal late-term abortions that he performed, a procedure now only done by two doctors, and even most abortion providers won't perform. and the only reason bill called tiller, tiller the baby killer, is becuase of the news reports that tagged him that
Posted By: coby preimesberger (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 01:45 AM
Michael,
What did GWB consider a mandate? Hmmmmmm...Actually, the mandate comes from the bitch slapping McCain received from the electoral college, son.
Posted By: Guest#4456 (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 03:58 AM
Michael, inept is a president that lies a country into a war, uses the tragedy of 9/11 to score cheap political points, takes three days before saying anything about Hurricane Katrina, dedicates time to the case of Terri Schiavo when there are much more pressing matters at hand, tries to privatize social security, outs a CIA agent and tries to cover it up, and doesn't listen to Bill Clinton when Clinton tells him that keeping an eye on/catching Osama bin Laden should be a top priority. Pull your head out of your ass.
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 09:43 AM
So, according to liberals, in 2000, the popular vote was the REAL mandate. Now the liberals change their tune because Obama only got 52% of the popular vote so they consider the electoral college a mandate to pass out of date socialist ideas NO ONE WANTS?
And are you really going down the road to say that Clinton was warning Bush about Osama? LMAO. He had Osama in his sights and because of liberalism and lawyers, Osama remained alive.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Mike, Mike, Mike...
WTF are you talking about? Please, do not smoke crack prior to posting on here. You are just an embarrassing youself. Jesus! I actually felt my IQ drop when I read you ramblings.
The LIBERAL (i.e. intelligent people) didn't say Bush had a mandate because his slim victory, that was only the Republican Party (and their hanger-ons). Also, you're saying Bush actually was in a position to stop Obama...but was stopped by the "liberals?" Ummm...proof? Please continue to post, I love laughing at your moronic thought process......
Posted By: David (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 11:46 AM
You see what your post did, Michael? Man, I called Osama....Obama. Oy vey!
Posted By: David (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Killing abortion doctors...blame DC Talk!
Posted By: Talon (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Liberals attack Fox because of things like their current headline - the intentionally misleading "Obama Embraces Islam".
Posted By: Pat Shepard (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Obama won by only 52% of the vote. "Sorry left winger, that is not a mandate to try to silently socialize this country and nationalize our car industry. Face it. Your President has shown himself to be inept."
1) Obama received the largest number of popular votes in history. His victory on sheer numbers alone is a Reaganesque landslide
2) Even with the take over of GM by the feds, less than .25% of all American industry is owned by the govt.
Posted By: wemedge (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 01:53 PM
'The LIBERAL (i.e. intelligent people)'
Case in point of what is wrong with the 'political thinking' minds of this country...Just like this one:
'The CONSERVATIVE (i.e. the moral Christian people)
Good job. Continue to seperate yourselves down pointless and irrelevant lines and watch as you're systematically neutralized.
Oh, and just some food for thought, the terms conservative and liberal have been so overused to death that people no longer even learn what the two original, non-party, platforms stood for. Here's a hint: Neither liberalism nor conservativism are represented in ANY way by either party in power in this country.
Socially, there is absolutely no reason true liberals and true conservatives couldn't cooperate. In reality, economics should be the only divider to debate about, and through that pluralism we would achieve a moderate, and successful, middle ground. But alas, this Jacksonian two-party system can't allow that.
So we all suffer and point fingers why the bastards pulling the strings suck us all dry. Makes me proud, I don't know about you people.
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 03:54 PM
the far left are ruining this great country. Bill O'Reilly is the man, even though i may not always agree with him, he does give the news fair and balanced. as for olbermann, he is a complete ass who shoulda stuck with sportscenter. as for rachel maddow, she is so far left, no coincidence that her name spelled backwards is "wo damn"(actually woddam), because she is a loon. I don't even watch msnbc anymore becase of the vile that they spew on a regular basis. Fox News is number 1 for a reason.
Posted By: hartfan (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Obama only has a "mandate" because he has no opposition. And all this hope and change, where is it. He's Bush V.2. Plain and simple. He's Bush on steroids when it comes to spending and running up deficits. He's on the Bush timetable for withdrawl in Iraq, he's going to be using the Bush Military Tribunals which he sh|t all over along with his lunatic buddies. And oh by the way, he's doing that because he closed down gitmo with no strategy at all (sound familiar?). Yes Obama had more popular votes than anyone in history. Guess which candidate held the record before him. Bush in 04'. And I agree, some on the right thought he had a mandate, I did not. Obama can push through whatever he wants, and break every promise that he wants, and get away with it. He also has a mandate because the opposite party is losing ground because nothing distinguishes them from the democrats. Where are the fiscal conservatives? Nowhere to be found. So the voter is left with a choice... Democrat, or Democrat Lite? The GOP simply needs to forget about these distractions such as gay marriage, and just focus on one thing "It's the spending stupid."
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 07:56 PM
Why would you criticize FOX News for that? Let's face it, you liberals called us racists for calling him Barack Hussein Obama...But now, Obama himself refers to his name as that.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 09:00 PM
Michael, do you even think before you hit "Submit Comment"?
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Ok, despite how badly I want to jump all over some of the loopholes in logic some of the right wingers left me, I only have a couple points to make. 1, the difference between Fox News and MSNBC is not in their commentary. Shows like Countdown and Bill O are not passing themselves off as news, but commentary. The beef liberals have with FOX is how skewed their NEWS is. And it truly is, you can't deny it. MSNBC brings on REPUTABLE right wing opinions into the debates, unlike FOX who gets the weakest, pathetic democrats possible to try to paint them as weak. If a show says it is commentary, I don't care what they say. But anything else is brainwashing.
Also, you people have to stop saying "you liberals say" about everything. Only a TINY minority called republicans racist for calling him Barack Hussein Obama. Putting the emphasis on HUSSEIN was a bit classless, but it wasn't racist. Not to mention it, I think, it ended up hurting the republicans in the race.
Last point. MSNBC has conservative commentators. Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanon, Tucker Carlson, Peggy Noonan... Can you name a legitimate liberal commentator who appears on Fox? Just one?
Posted By: James (Registered) (Guest) on June 04, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Read these comments to a fox article. That is why.
Posted By: Wow (Guest) on June 05, 2009 at 04:45 PM
zingy i love how u guys bring up the talking point of he outed valaire plame, no it wasn't bush who outed her, it was richard armitage, and oh on katrina, he declared it a federal disater area before it even hit new orleans and it was blanco and naigin who didn't do there jobs, plus i guess u also missed the interview he did obama during the campign, and point of fact tucker carslon no longer works for msnbc, he's now a fox news employee.
plus lets see how about lamont hill,ellis hennican,alan colmes,bob beckel, geraldo riveria.
also one last thing on the intell bush got, it wasn't just us, it was the russisans, the british, the pakastainis that aslo believed the same thing, and he was told by fbi director robert muller it was a "slam dunk", and still if u ask the iraqi's now which would they rather have a country where there allowed to voice there opinion, or live under a oppersessive dicator who did use mustard gas on the kurds, and i guess they would say the first option
Posted By: coby preimesberger (Guest) on June 07, 2009 at 01:44 AM
Doesn't listen to Bill Clinton? What was Clinton doing after WTC Bombing in 1993, attacks on US Embassys in Africa, and the attack on USS Cole? All before 9-11, all on Bill Clintons watch.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on June 07, 2009 at 06:56 PM
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