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The Revolution Will Be Twitterized
Posted by Robert Zimmer on 06.22.2009



History not only repeats itself, but it often unfolds in parallels, within different countries at the same time.

This past week, Iranian president Ahmadinejad rigged his own re-election. The fraud was sanctioned by the Iranian Supreme Leader (where do they get these titles?) Khamenei, who is Ahmadinejad's puppet master cleric. The Iranian people took to the street in massive protest, unleashing the virtual weaponry of Facebook and Twitter to sidestep the heavy-handed attempts by the ruling old men to silence them.

Here at home, another group of out-of-touch fossils dug in their heels too. Republicans have been Tweeting and trash-talking in unison on every media platform, repeating the same propaganda – a public health care option is a non-starter, and will drive private insurers out of business. If this is true, then Ahmadinejad won fair and square.

Iranians are no strangers to ruling elites enforcing far-right conservative values on an unwilling people. The rigged re-election of Ahmadinejad was the most recent outrage, causing enraged Iranians to protest en masse. (More power to them.) If the Republican noise machine defeats a public health care option, Americans should take to the streets as well. Two polls released in the last few days show that Americans overwhelmingly support a public health care option as part of comprehensive health care reform. The CBS/New York Times poll released Sunday indicates 85% of Americans agree fundamental reform is needed; 72% want a public health care option. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll a few days earlier showed 75% in favor of a public option.

Why, then, have the Republicans all gotten on the same page and laid down a line in the sand against a public option, when this is clearly the opposite of what the people want? Because they don't care what the people want; they care only about what Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, and insurance lobbyists think. It's bad enough Republicans are out of touch, but what's worse is that none of their puppet masters even has a vote. Cheney is a deranged man who seems unable to process his disgraced retirement; Limbaugh is a vaudeville act of self-parody to all but a small, but vocal minority who has drank his Koolaid; insurance company lobbyists are the worst of the vermin – their moneyed influence outweighs that of the apparently plebeian insects whom Congress is elected to serve.

Ahmadinejad and his so-called Supreme Leader are so arrogant that they actually believe they can conduct an indefinite simulation of democracy and get away with it. They realized too late the power of social networking sites, that empower citizens in ways the Iranian government cannot stop. Still, as students of Goebbels and other timeless propaganda-masters, the Iranian leadership continues to peddle the lie that the election was fair -- in the assumption that people will simply believe it if it's repeated enough. In the U.S., Republicans yolked by the far right wing continue to repeat the lie that a public option will destroy our health care system. It doesn't matter that it's not true, it just matters whether the lie works and the status quo gets preserved. What will the Republicans say and do in the face of overwhelming public support for the public option? President Obama warned the Iranian leadership that the world is watching. The world is watching America too. Will we finally provide health care to all our people, or continue to lecture the world about human rights while our own citizens suffer? These citizens are also watching; they are no more passive sheep than the Iranian people.

To expose the anti-reform propaganda of radical conservatism, the American people have the same 21st century arsenal of democracy available to them as the Iranians. We can blog, Tweet, Digg, create and join Facebook causes, send text messages, and forward e-mails. Who are we going to let win this health care fight? Forty old white Senators and a fat, hypocritical shock jock? Or the 50 million people who lack insurance? Ask anyone who's gotten sick and couldn't pay their medical bills – would you rather try it Obama's way, or the way of the moose-hunting publicity whore who's more interested in brawling with talk show hosts than mastering policy? Every single person reading this article knows someone who has a horror story about health care, or has lived a horror story in the first person. Have you made your opinion known to your friends, your family, your loved ones, your elected representatives? The same Twitter that's available to Senator Chuck Grassley is available to you. Whether you agree with me or not about a public, government-run health care option, make sure you speak your mind instead of waiting for Congress to do it for you.

It's obvious to the world that a bunch of fringe religious nutcases sanctioned the theft of the Iranian election, despite the clear will of the Iranian people that they wanted a change from the warmongering, anti-Semitic Ahmadinejad and his disastrous economic policies. Here at home, the unholy alliance of fringe right-wingers and profit-greedy opportunists is trying to subvert the overwhelming will of the common people. The people of both countries should fiercely resist what is being forced upon them by a too-powerful majority more interested in keeping power than helping its citizens. In warning the Iranian leadership to respect its people, Obama noted that Dr. Martin Luther King said the arc of history bends towards justice. The American people demand health care reform, and a public choice to keep insurance companies honest. Obstructionist Republicans who are too cowardly to tell Rush Limbaugh to go to Jahannum should keep Dr. King's words in mind.


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Tremendous strech to compare the Iranian elections to the concerns of conservatives when it comes to goverment run health care.

Low for even you Zimmer.


Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 21, 2009 at 11:14 PM

 
 
Rasmussen poll, only 41% think its a good idea for goverment run health care.Guess you didn't like that poll.

Your Times poll,77% said they were satisfied with their current care.Same poll stated that 63% of people polled said they were "very" or "somewhat" concerned that goverment will make their health care worse.Guess you will blame that on Rush Limbaugh

Dude your retoric is so lame.Iran and conservatives are in the same boat huh?Will that mean Obama will meet with republicans without pre conditions?

You now have crossed over into Keith Olbermann type insanity.It was a pretty short trip.


Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM

 
 
If the people should fiercely resist the all too powerful majority then I guess they should ignore your polls.Poorly thought out.

Posted By: Guest#7462 (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 12:36 AM

 
 
"Here at home, the unholy alliance of fringe right-wingers and profit-greedy opportunists is trying to subvert the overwhelming will of the common people. The people of both countries should fiercely resist what is being forced upon them by a too-powerful majority more interested in keeping power than helping its citizens."

In one sentence you say the opposition is the fringe and in the next sentence both countries should resist the all to powerful majority.??????????Are you the minority and the majority?

That paragraph alone would get you a D in any class.I guess under your logic we should fiercely resist the overwhelming will of the common people.Badly argued,horribly written.


Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 01:28 AM

 
 
When you have for profit health care insurance you are going to run into the problems we've been having. The question is, what other incentive is there for a company to be in the health insurance industry besides profit? Isn't that the ultimate goal of any company...to make money? Now, if we have government run health care (which in theory should be not for profit), we are going to have a whole slew of new problems, many of which we probably can't even foresee yet. One comparison I draw is to Homeowners Insurance. If you own a home, you are required to have property insurance. Here in the State of Florida, one option we have is called Citizens which is run by the state. Basically, if one of the other insurance companies decides to drop you for whatever reason or the insurance company picks up and leaves the state (which has happened numerous times after hurricanes), Citizens will pick you up. Really, why not have a similar situation for health care.

I can certainly understand the 'conservative' argument against it. How's the old saying go, "A a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have." But frankly, ideology means absolutely jack squat when your sick and need to see a doctor.


Posted By: Elliot (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 01:51 AM

 
 
You could support your point by, I dunno, describing WHY the public healthcare option is a good thing. I agree that it is, but you didn't need to convince me. You don't have that luxury with many others. And I don't think you convinced any one of them.

Posted By: KanyonKreist (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 02:44 AM

 
 
While I completely agree with you on both topics I completely fail to see any comparison at all. What's going on in Iran right now is truly remarkable history in the making... the never-ending battle of healthcare wouldn't even register as an ROH dark match ran in the same city as a Wrestlemania main event as the likes of the Iranian protest march for freedom and respect.

RIP Neda, the world will not forget.


Posted By: The Weesel (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 03:31 AM

 
 
....That is the truth of the matter. Ideology goes right out the window when you are sick. Dollars to donuts, I bet a lot of these "conservatives" would cry and complain when they are sick and can't afford the bills...

Posted By: David (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 05:02 AM

 
 
"Rasmussen poll, only 41% think its a good idea for goverment run health care. Guess you didn't like that poll."

I didn't, either. The Rasmussen poll was incredibly poorly worded. Nate over on 538 did a comparison of six different polls, and Rasmussen polled 20% lower than anyone else. Reason? The wording of their question.

"Would it be a good idea to set up a government health insurance company to compete with private health insurance companies?"

Now I don't know about you, but I can easily see why people would be more inclined to go against that than NBC/WSJ who made their question:

"In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance––extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important?"

The NBC question had 76% in the affirmative there (extremely/quite important). The wording of the question matters, and you're just as bad cherry-picking the one bad result compared to a half dozen which are over 60%.


Posted By: Guest#4327 (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 09:18 AM

 
 
Dude your retoric is so lame.Iran and conservatives are in the same boat huh?Will that mean Obama will meet with republicans without pre conditions?

-Posted by John.

THAT WAS HEE-LAR-EE-OUS!

(I would want preconditions before meeting with Cheney... specifically an agreement to no gunfire...)


Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 09:50 AM

 
 
Cheney,Limbaugh,evil corporations and Ahmadinejad are all out to screw you.They are all part of the new world order.Its the free masons.They did 911 and have human sacrifices at the masonic lodge.I have to go becuase the patriot act is out to get me!

Posted By: Guest#3530 (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 09:56 AM

 
 
So you condemn Pete Hoekstra, Republican Congressman from Michigan for making this same comparison a few days ago, right John?

Posted By: GaryML (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM

 
 
LOL. Trying to compare "right wing conservativism, Iran style" to right wing conservatism in America is like comparing apples to oranges.

And giving people free health care will costs tons of money. Money that has already been wasted by this inept President.


Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM

 
 
Alexander, just trying to show the insanity of comparing apples and oranges like your buddy Zimmer did.Of course maybe you agree with his the minority keeping down the will of the people while both countries should fiercely resist the majority.It doesn't make any sense to me.

Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 10:59 AM

 
 
'As right-wing conservatives try to steal the presidential election in Iran, right-wing conservatives try to defeat health-care reform in America.'

Just like Stalin killing 25million Russians in the name of socialism is the same as left-wingers killing democracy and free will in America?


Posted By: Mikel (too lazy to log in) (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM

 
 
Don't know anything about some random congressman from Michigan Gary but I will let you in on a little secret,I think for myself.I don't back insanity just becuase someone from a idealolgy I agree with says it.Thats a left wing thing.

But I am in the oppressing minority who you should fiercely resist.Oh wait, you supposed to fiercely resist the majority.So that would be you.So go fiercely resist yourself Gary.

Thanks and have a nice day.


Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM

 
 
Does that mean the republicans don't believe in the holocaust?

Posted By: Guest#9600 (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 11:11 AM

 
 
ha ha ha...

Zimmer knows he sucks- he's taking the Spook approach for attention.

Liberals know they are failing- instead of addressing problems they blame people, not just conservatives, but anyone who is not a hardcore Obama lover.

Obama, with a packed House and Senete, failed on heathcare the moment he stole all the tax revenue we had and dicked over the American people with his Bailout and Stimulus bills.

This is no different than a crackhead saying he can't afford Nikes after spending his money on a flatscreen TV.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 11:47 AM

 
 
I think that you could count the great MLK as a conservative when yuo apply his religious background.

If MLK was alive today people like Zimmer would call him a "radical religious zelot".

Amazing how liberals like Zimmer blame religion in one hand and hold up a religious man as an example in another...

Fucking racist. Liberals think that MLK is a liberal because he is a strong blackman with powerful voice...

But MLK would have never, and has never, supported abortion or gay marrige- because he was a conservative Christian.

Don't blend in civil rights movements that are about ethical and human rights with political ideology dumbshit. Most of the powerful civil rights supporters were religious people.

Most of the radical terror based movements are the liberals in political terms.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM

 
 
MLK was also a firm supporter of Israelis. Something I'm not sure liberals are.

Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 12:22 PM

 
 
This column was so partisan and devoid of facts it could have been written by Keith Olbermann. It's a case of arguing a point I agree with so poorly that I want to reconsider my position.

Then there's the notion that if polls show people want something for "free" it must be good policy. Free ice cream for every American. Who's in favor? If the majority said yes and it actually came to be, wouldn't Baskin Robbins be in deep trouble? At least be honest and don't pretend the long term plan isn't for all Americans to be on a government plan and the current providers to be driven out of business. I don't care what the issue is or where you stand. If you can't debate it honestly, you should just stop talking.


Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM

 
 
Wow Zimmer, you are officially a lunatic. Try, I dunno, providing reason (*gasp!*) to back up your argument, rather than attempt to whip people into a frenzy by making a desperate stab at comparing it to a legit fucking revolution. Ill-conceived, poorly written garbage like this article, to a jaded person on the fence, can push them in the opposite direction.

In other words, you've officially convinced me with the stupidity of your us vs. them call-to-arms, that there is no way the government's plan has been properly planned out, or that every potential alternative has been given proper consideration. Because if it was all good to you, you surely would've given some... ANY, reason to support your position, rather than just sling shit at your opposition while trying to rally the troops in a way that's just... in really poor taste. You're just as bad as they are.


Posted By: Mr. GE (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM

 
 
Spook,
MLK was a registered Republican.

Have you noticed that people like MLK and Lincoln, who were Republicans, are the heroes and conversation points for liberals?


Posted By: Jim (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 12:40 PM

 
 
Zimmer just jumped the shark with that god awfull article.

Posted By: Bill (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 03:15 PM

 
 
You really are oblivious! Just because the conservatives don't want Obama's type of health care reform, you think they're against reform itself!

I've already solved this problem! Regulate the costs of drugs and stop taking money from the pharmaceutical companies for the damn political campaigns (the goes to the right and the left)!

The rest will sort itself out... Thank you.


Posted By: Spyke (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 03:29 PM

 
 
I figured MLK was conservative.

Most great people are. Thanks for clearing it up Jim.

Zimmer imagine Obama sitting in a church with Wright- and sitting in a church with MLK...

Obama would not be the person he is now.

I'm laughing, because judging from the comments about your dumb article I was RIGHT about you the entire time.

Your nothing but an Obama apologist.

It has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans- or even liberals or conservatives.

You really think that if you say something critical about Obama it will mean you wasted your vote.

And you have- since, unless you are part of the Obama inner circle- nothing he campaigned for has happened.

HE LIED TO YOU- Admit it and lets move on as a country...

Hand in hand.

I will accept you as a fellow American if you just admit you were tricked.

I'm not blaming you for voting for Obama- he lied to all of you.

But I will keep pointing out how silly it is to keep supporting this guy after he does nothing but lie.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 03:40 PM

 
 
It's weird that people bitch about there being so many liberal writers on this blog, when 99% of the comments are from conservative posters. I'd say it balances out.

Posted By: Talon (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 04:11 PM

 
 
"Have you noticed that people like MLK and Lincoln, who were Republicans, are the heroes and conversation points for liberals?"

The Republican party of Lincoln's day was a bastion of progressivism, so it's no surprise to see liberals carry the banner for him. Certainly he would have been appalled if he had lived to see his party sell out to the Christian extremists, given that organized religion was something he had largely rejected from youth.

As for King, I don't know what his political party was, but given his statements on capitalism and democratic socialism, if he were alive today he certainly would NOT be a Republican.


Posted By: Texas Kelly (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 04:20 PM

 
 
Without even wasting my time to argue the stupidity of the initial comparison, why, oh why Zimmer, do you actually think that Mousavi (sp?), who was APPOINTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT BY THE SAME MOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLE (Khamenei) that just named Mahmoud the winner. Another fun fact: Not only do the clerics decide who runs/wins the elections, the Iranian Presidency, regardless of who wins, is STILL CONTROLLED BY THE CLERICS!

The only reason ANYONE in this country gives a rat's ass about the Iranian election is because some moron at one of the news stations quoted an uninformed Iranian saying that the guy 'was the Iranian Obama', and then all of you tools ran with it foaming at the mouth...

The Iranian Presidency is a puppet-show. It doesn't matter who wins, the extremist religious goofballs who ran it before the election will continue to run it afterwards.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has been misinformed...


Posted By: The Man (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 04:28 PM

 
 
Great- now we will debate on if Lincoln was Christian or not. This is similar to how gays claim he was gay.

Whatever- the only thing I know for sure is that Obama is a liar.

And that's all that matters right now.

So I will keep putting up lists of all the things he's lied about until Zimmer admits that he wasted his vote.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 04:55 PM

 
 
99 percent are conservative huh Talon?Really?Ok Kanyon,J Alexander Mitchel,shockmaster,weesal, and Gary all posted from the left.

Ever thought maybe this was a shitty article?Shockmaster did.He is no conservative.Tell you what, go watch MSNBC, that's media for you.I am sure Mathews is covering Obama ice cream excurtion and what flavors the girls got.You know, really important things.

Cumburp


Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 05:14 PM

 
 
Talon,

Most of the people bitching are Democractic voters- they voted for Obama.

I will not out the ones that I know did...

But that's the point that several of us are trying to make.

Put some of this red/blue stuff on the side and deal with reality. Obama lied about everything that he promised to endorse.

People are bitching at Zimmer because he thinks that he is speaking for them. He's not- he's a blatent Obama apologist.

How do you compare a fixed Iranian election with the need for universal heathcare reform here in the states?

Well according to Zimmer you blame conservatives!

Obama will not pass his plan because Democrats in congress know its all bullshit- and that many of their jobs are on the line next year because the stimulus and bailout failed.

And we can't get that money back because nobody bothered to read the bill before it was passed! Nobody knows where the hell the money is!

But Zimmer and to some degree his R2D2 counterpart Rivett are just like Obama- they blame conservatives or anyone else not Obama extreme liberals.

How can a "dead party" like the Republicans be so responsible for all the problems...the liberals have controlled congress for almost four years.

Obama got everything he wanted and the economy still sucks- and he still blaming Bush.

Obama gave hugs and snicker bars to everyone except our allies and then acts surprised when Iran tells him to fuck off- and N.Korea is going to shoot a missile into Hawaii.

He has ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NBC and CBS all on the books- Letterman making fun of Palin- his own news show without any opposition to push his agenda and NOBODY but these assholes are buying into it.

Zimmer cites questionable polls, by a biased media group, to make his case...but today there are polls out saying that for the first time Obama is falling in public opinion.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administ
ration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Zimmer is calling on people to "twitter" their hate of conservatives and Republicans...I say blame Obama for lying to you.

Had the voices of Republicans been listened too then we could talk about Healthcare reform- but Nooooooo...Obama had to have his bailout and stimulus.

WE HAVE NO MONEY ZIMMER!

Twitter that.

Obama lost it- he lost 4,000,000,000,000 on the way to the welfare bank and wants more money!

Thats more than Bush INVESTED in the military and security in 8 years.

There is a difference.

Stupid Zimmer- just admit you are wrong about this clownshoes President and move on.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 05:39 PM

 
 
i going for the 50 million people who don't have a health plan.

Posted By: alexander arce (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 05:57 PM

 
 
Wow, the freepers really came out for this one. As for John, Pete Hoekstra is one of the leading Republicans in Congress and is their best hope for the governorship in Michigan in the next election since Granholm can't run again for the Dems.

Or are you acting as if he's a nobody because it shows how hypocritical you're being by slamming the author of this column and not a Congressman who said something similar?

And why is it people who are obviously conservatives claim they're not? Why so ashamed?


Posted By: GaryML (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 06:15 PM

 
 
History not only repeats itself, but often unfolds in parallels, within different countries at the same time. "

If two historical events are unfolding repeatedly but in parallel, does that mean we are actually witnessing four events or two repeated sequential events? Of course it doesn't make sense, its Zimmer being Zimmer.

Zim, history never repeats itself, by the definition of history.


Posted By: AdmChesterMynuts (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 06:18 PM

 
 
I gotta admit that I was not sure about Spooks hardon for Zimmer, but this article really kinda illustrates the point spook was making.

First of all, if Obama's health care proposal was so universally loved, admired, and respected; then it would pass. It would pass without debate really. Never in Bush's first 6 years did he have the type of majority Obama has. Not even close. So if his health care plan fails, it isn't anyones fault but the democrats. End of story. You can whine about twitter all you want to, but the bottom line is this is a center-right country. It's precisely why up until now, Obama is loved, but his policies are very much in question. The honeymoon might be winding down. The only thing he has going for him is the fact that the opposition party has no identity at all. The so-called leaders like Colin Powell do nothing but say "we need to be more moderate." Thats all great and everything, but I'd like General Powell to perhaps be a leader and guide the party rather than sit on the sidelines (or like last November on the opposing teams bench). Until the republicans like Powell take a stand on issues LIKE HEALTH CARE, then there is no opposition party.


Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 06:30 PM

 
 
A Republican in Michigan is the same as a Republican in California...

Of course he would say that- since Michigan leads the pack for unemployment right now and those people need all the welfare they can get.

Anybody running for an office in that state will promise or beg for healthcare- that has nothing to do with party politics.

Funny how the Dems in congress gave them (Michigan) jackshit for stimulus money...and they need it the most.

Right GaryML?

Or am I just talking shit?

How about we hold Obama to campaign promises first- then focus on what desperate state politicans pander for?


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 06:38 PM

 
 
Hey Gary, you must be from Michigan, my condolences.I follow politics quite a bit and I have never heard of him.I will say him comparing the situation in Iran to him fighting a energy bill is stupid........just like Zimmer.

There, fair,no?Article is still horribly written correct?


Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 08:45 PM

 
 
Republicans are a dying breed. They know that globalization is coming, and that public opinion is moving not left, but center.

People are at least open to the idea of a public option.

Instead, it's caused socialist, communist; all terms which people like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity do not understand.

It's really sad. Even though Bush stole the election in 2000, nobody hoped he failed.


Posted By: The Spook. (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 10:04 PM

 
 
Only a liberal would think the country is moving to the left. Wait until 2010 and 2012 when your precious left wing Congress and President are voted out.

Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on June 22, 2009 at 10:53 PM

 
 
No John, I'm not from Michigan. And Hoekstra's gaffe comparing Republicans twittering to what's happening in Iran has been a story for a few days now. Maybe you're not as educated as you like to think you are.

As for The Spook - do you hold your breath when you type? I picture someone with teeth clenched, sweaty forehead, pounding away at the keyboard so he can get all of his important serious thoughts out right this very second because he knows everything. Take a minute and think out what you're trying to say - otherwise you keep sounding like a kid on a sugar high trying to tell a story.

Obama needs to ditch "bi-partisanship," much like the Republicans did for 6 years, and do what needs to be done. If it fails, it fails. Bush failed, now it's Obama's turn to sink or swim. Right now he's sinking in an effort to please all of the people all of the time. When the Republicans want to talk seriously about working together on something, go for it. But when it comes to healthcare reform and how to deal with Iran, partisanship is necessary while the Republicans act like fools who think tax cuts and blowing stuff up is the answer for everything.


Posted By: GaryML (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 12:41 AM

 
 
Just trying to figure out how you are so sure that a public health option would be so sure to work. Anyone who has ever dealt with a government agency should know that they are run in the poorest, most inefficient way and not something anyone ever wants to deal with, the DMV comes to mind. Now if we expand the state-wide DMV bureaucracy to the federal level, imagine the bureaucratic hell that we will be put through.
I know you may reply that it is just a public health option and that you are allowed to keep your insurance if you want, but most who are insured are insured through their jobs as a benefit. What employer would still offer insurance to an employee when they can get it through the federal government. More and more will be added to the government insurance, and then taxes will go up more and more, or the deficit will continue to build.
Sounds like a disaster in the making to me.


Posted By: Matt (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 01:19 AM

 
 
Matt, why do you hate the troops?

Or is the military not a government run program?


Posted By: GaryML (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 09:57 AM

 
 
"Just trying to figure out how you are so sure that a public health option would be so sure to work. Anyone who has ever dealt with a government agency should know that they are run in the poorest, most inefficient way and not something anyone ever wants to deal with, the DMV comes to mind. Now if we expand the state-wide DMV bureaucracy to the federal level, imagine the bureaucratic hell that we will be put through."

I dunno, since they've gone digital and started doing things on-line...I haven't had any problems.


Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 10:42 AM

 
 
"I know you may reply that it is just a public health option and that you are allowed to keep your insurance if you want, but most who are insured are insured through their jobs as a benefit. What employer would still offer insurance to an employee when they can get it through the federal government. More and more will be added to the government insurance, and then taxes will go up more and more, or the deficit will continue to build.
Sounds like a disaster in the making to me."

And I love the fact that you have all these conservatives leaving comments about what a train wreck a government option for health care would be (and there is definitely a chance it would be)...yet I see none of you offering a viable alternative! You come on here, badmouthing Obama, badmouthing Liberals blaming them for everything...yet you offer no solutions. Guess what...the current system is broken. It needs to be reformed. When you have 50 million people in this country without healthcare there is a problem. When illegal immigrants can walk into a hospital and get better care than a citizen of this country, there is a problem. What's your solution. And "No, Obama and his Liberal cronies are wrong!" Is not one.


Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 10:47 AM

 
 
Nobody is denied care in an emergency room. I have a viable option and allow you to put a partisan label to it. Purchase health insurance.

Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM

 
 
There's a lot of issues that are wrong with the world but it is not the place of government, a bloated bureacracy, to try and fix.

Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM

 
 
Healthcare solutions:

Put laws in place to protect Dr. from malpractice lawuits- malpratice insurance is directly passed to the consumer through the bill. This alone will save a ton of money on healthcare.

Hospitals will not need the legal overhead, as much, and thats bonus savings.

Illegals get no healthcare- unless they pay cash. Illegals over here on a work visa are given protection by the employer- this is already a law in most states. (Now here is the problem- and this is a problem, the reason why illegals get healthcare is because they have connections here in the states. Liberals in New Mexico, Arizona and California pander to them during elections- sidebar that).

Regulate the cost of medical schooling- it sucks conservatives, but if you want to curtail the cost of medical practice, then cut the cost of medical schooling.

If the government wants to do anything it should be geared towards developing and placing expensive medical equipment- much like the military and the communications industry. It will save money on medical costs. This does not have to be a major focus, but it will help curtail costs.

Give tax breaks to companies that provide healthcare plans.

SUMMARY:

Stop the lawsuits, stop the ambulance chasing lawyers, stop the illegals from getting healthcare, reduce cost of medical schooling, cheaply transfer technology advancements, and tax breaks for companies giving healthcare.

That will reduce healthcare costs and the cost of insurance.

And that beats the shit out of Obama's plan to tax you and I fully to pay for poor unhealthy people to get the same coverage we already pay for.


Posted By: The Spook (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM

 
 
Gary,so I'm stupid and spook needs to take a breath and. Quit saying negative things about Jimmy Carter Jr.

Well there you go, typical liberal.You know this article is shit, but instead of being a man and admitting it,you bring up another idiot who did the same thing as a defense.WEAK.I already said his comments were out of line,if you agree then, Zimmer saying the same thing should offend you equally.Still waiting for you to comment on the post,it was the origional subject you jerk off.

Know go fiercely resist yourself.


Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 12:59 PM

 
 
Hey MydniteSon as a non liberal or non conservative it is funny that you said "When illegal immigrants can walk into a hospital and get better care than a citizen of this country, there is a problem." I agree, but alot of Democrats are for that plenty of republicans too. Maybe if we watch are boarders alittle better and not let people sue Doctors millions in frivolous lawsuits that would be a start. Not to change the subject, but I was wondering if Hawaii was building a missle defence sheild for North Korea, If so then the democrats are hippocrites for wanting what the say never works in missle defence.

Posted By: danman (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 01:39 PM

 
 
I'm not sure what's more pathetic John, your attempts at putting words in my mouth or you desperate effort to create your own catchphrase.

My point was that Pete Hoekstra made a similar comparison, and when I pointed that out your response was it didn't matter because you didn't know who he was. I haven't said either way if I support the points in this column or not, yet you assume I'm a liberal because I pointed out your hypocrisy. Typical.

At least The Spook spews conservative talking points without the lame attempt at a catchphrase.

Oh and Chester, think you can go to the emergency room for your chemo treatments if you get cancer?


Posted By: GaryML (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 02:57 PM

 
 
Gary,so I am a hypacrite becuase I said"it didn't matter becuase you didn't know who he was"I never said anything close to that.What are you talking about?


First response to you"don't know anything about some random congressman from Michigan but I will let you in on a little secret,I think for myself.I don't back the insanity just becuase some one from a idealology Iagree with says it.That's a left wing thing"

Nothing close to what you attributed to me as far as a agument goes.I said "I don't back the insanity"Is that over your head?

I also said in another post"I will say comparing the situation in Iran to fighting the energy bill is stupid......just like Zimmer"

Sounds pretty consistent to me.Did you read what I said?Your way off pal.


First post"insanity"later post"stupid"


Epic fail on your part Gary


Posted By: John (Guest)  on June 23, 2009 at 06:09 PM

 
 
I love it, one poorly written articale by a liberal and the domestic-terrorist supporting right wingers start writing several paragraphs 5 times each, make more and more irrelevant attacks, the comedy never stops with you hate mongers, thank you.

Posted By: Guest#2023 (Guest)  on June 25, 2009 at 05:27 AM

 
 
I feel like someone needs to tell John that, grammatically speaking, you're supposed to put a space in between the period of the first sentence and the first letter of the next one. "This style is not right.It is stupid.It makes no sense" and such.

Also, John, I'm curious why you must turn EVERYTHING into partisan politics, and continuously insult people with amazing words like "cumburp," while simultaneously attempting to display your intelligence. I made a simple comment that I believe to be true, based on the comments I read. I said NOTHING about the article, that wasn't my concern. I keep reading right-wing comments that bitch up a storm about how all the Politics writers are leftists. The vast majority of comments I read are very much NOT leftist. Maybe the right just comments more?

Maybe they like to hear themselves talk? Well that doesn't work on a computer...maybe they like to read themselves type?


Posted By: Talon (Guest)  on July 02, 2009 at 05:29 PM

 
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