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So Explain This: FoxNews.com vs. CNN.com – Do We Read What We Want To Hear?
Posted by J. Alexander Mitchell on 07.15.2009



CNN.com has an article – posted under Politics, but not as a front page headline – discussing the new House Democrat's health care reform plan. It is titled "House Democrats Unveil Health Care Reform Plan". FoxNews has a similar article on the newest plan, which is instead highlighted as a headline on the main page. The label given to the FoxNews article is "$1 Trillion – Or More?"

Perhaps I am mistaken, but there is just a slight difference in tone here. Is it even possible to get the complete story on anything from one source anymore?

The FoxNews article begins with the following (with verbiage discussing the Senate bill deleted):

The comprehensive health care overhaul being pitched by House Democrats could lead to a cost explosion in the long-term, a preliminary analysis from the Congressional Budget Office suggests… That's just the first hurdle for one of several bills, each with fluctuating cost estimates. For the House Democrats' version, the CBO estimate tagged the 10-year cost of the plan at just over $1 trillion.

The CNN article begins with the following:

House Democrats unveiled their revised version of health care reform Tuesday, offering a proposal that includes a government-funded health insurance option, requires both individuals and employers to participate, and taxes the wealthy to help cover costs.

Democratic House leaders said the measure, titled "America's Affordable Health Choices Act," met the requirements set by President Obama for health care reform by lowering costs to consumers and businesses, letting people keep their current plan if desired, and preventing denial of coverage due to pre-existing medical conditions.


So, on the one hand, we get "This is going to cost more money than God has". On the other hand, we get "This is going to help people out while giving options". The tone of both articles sets the stage for the articles - it becomes obvious immediately that the FoxNews article will slam the costs of the bill, where the CNN one will highlight the great parts of the bill.

These are simply opening statements – let's look at how each responds to the points brought up by the other.
The CNN article does mention the costs of the House Democrat plan:

The Congressional Budget Office said the revised house bill also would cost $1 trillion. However, a senior Democratic House committee staffer said the CBO analysis only covered costs without factoring in cost-saving measures worth $500 billion over 10 years or the revenue from tax surcharges on wealthy Americans, estimated to raise more than $500 billion over a decade.

This sounds fairly reasonable, and is nowhere to be found in the FoxNews article. The FoxNews article does go into further detail about the costs:

One Democratic aide said the bill would add up to $1.5 trillion over the next decade. But the CBO estimate showed that even if the price tag holds to $1 trillion, more than 80 percent of the costs will hit in the last five years. This indicates that after 2019, taxpayers could be hit with a rising tidal wave of health care expenses resulting from the shift in health care coverage from the private to public sector.

The higher estimates are nowhere to be found in the CNN article.

As an aside, I am bothered by the line "taxpayers could be hit with a rising tidal wave of health care expenses resulting from the shift in health care coverage from the private to public sector". I interpret that to mean "All of those people that couldn't get coverage or couldn't afford the things they needed will now get them, and that will cause costs to skyrocket". Isn't that the point – to get that either don't have it or don't have enough the coverage that they need?

Let's analyze the bonuses mentioned in the CNN article – lower costs, preventing denial due to preexisting conditions, and the like. The closest thing I could find in the FoxNews article was the following:

Under the House Democrats' plan, the federal government would be responsible for ensuring that every person, regardless of income or the state of their health, has access to an affordable insurance plan. Individuals and employers would have new obligations to get coverage, or face hefty penalties. The CBO estimated that the plan would reduce the number of "nonelderly" uninsured by 37 million over 10 years.

This doesn't sound quite as rosy. Of course, if I wanted "rosy", I could look at the list of provisions in the CNN article:

Specific provisions of the bill include:
-- A Health Insurance Exchange providing individuals and small business with choices for coverage, including a government-funded public option.
-- No more coverage exclusion for pre-existing conditions.
-- Affordability credits for low- and moderate-income individuals and families, available to those with incomes up to 400 percent of the federal poverty level, or $43,000 for individuals and $88,000 for a family of four.
-- Limits on annual out-of-pocket spending.
-- Expanded Medicaid coverage to individuals and families with incomes at or below 133 percent of the federal poverty level.
-- Required participation by individuals, with a penalty of 2.5 percent of adjusted gross income for non-compliance.
-- Requirement that businesses with payrolls exceeding $250,000 provide their employees with health coverage or contribute up to 8 percent of their payroll on their behalf.
-- A series of measures intended to reduce costs of Medicaid, Medicare and other existing systems.


Of this list, the FoxNews article does mention the affordability credits and the 2.5% penalty, with the additional detail that the 2.5% penalty is limited as "up to the average cost of a health insurance plan".

Of course, we know this is going to cost money, right? CNN's description of the taxes needed to cover this legislation:

The bill includes tax surcharges on Americans in the top 1.2 percent of income. It proposes a 5.4 percent surtax on couples earning more than $1 million, a 1.5 percent surtax on couples with income between $500,000 and $1 million, and a 1 percent surtax on joint incomes over $350,000 or individual income over $280,000..

FoxNews' description:

The legislation calls for a 5.4 percent tax increase on individuals making more than $1 million a year, with a gradual tax beginning at $280,000 for individuals. Employers who don't provide coverage would be hit with a penalty equal to 8 percent of workers' wages, with an exemption for small businesses. Individuals who decline an offer of affordable coverage would pay 2.5 percent of their incomes as a penalty, up to the average cost of a health insurance plan.

In one case, the articles directly contradict each other. From FoxNews:

"This bill has massive spending and massive tax increases to try to cover the spending in the bill," Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., said at a press conference with other congressional Republicans Tuesday, complaining about a provision in the House bill to tax the wealthy. "Half of that will be hit on small businesses."

From CNN.com:

Anticipating Republican complaints that the tax surcharges would harm small business owners who report their income as personal, Democratic sponsors said the measure would affect less than 5 percent of all small business owners.

Is it 50% or 5%?

I expect a certain level of bias in any writing – as long as the writer is a human, some of his or her thoughts will creep in. However, this is far too much effort to have to put in to get the complete picture on what should be a straightforward news piece telling us what is in the House Democrat bill. For example, why does the CNN article not mention the potential $1.5 trillion estimate? Why does the CNN article not mention the cap on the penalty for declining the option?

My question becomes this – how can anyone get anything out of any one news source? On a typical day, I check out some combination of CNN.com, FoxNews.com, MSNBC.com, and DallasNews.com (as well as a few other Dallas specific sites like Dallas Progress – cheap plug and thumbs up!), and the situation I had today feels typical – I have to read multiple articles from reputable sources to get a complete picture of a story. Is it any wonder why we have so many philosophical differences if there are such huge disparities in the information we receive? What can one do to find the "real news"?

Other quick hits:

In the blog entry titled , I wrote: I believe that Judge Sotomayor could have, to say the least, worded what she said differently; I question whether a "wise" Latina would have chosen that phrasing When asked about the comment during her confirmation hearings, Sotomayor said "I was trying to play on her words," she said. "My play fell flat. It was bad." That sounds suspiciously like what I said. Quoth Mr. Helms… "I'm just sayin'".

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Free Republic is a solidly respectable conservative grassroots website which I have in the past used to get a better understanding of some conservative outlooks. One can imagine my surprise when the Vancouver Sun reported that it included a number of racial slurs directed at President Obama's children after his oldest was photographed wearing a shirt with a peace sign on it while the presidential family was in Europe. Under regular conditions I would give this an entire article, but I am trying to avoid being "that race guy" so I'll let this one fly as a quick hit. Among some of the things said about Malia – who was wearing nothing more provocative, literally, than a shirt with a peace symbol – was: "A typical street whore." "A bunch of ghetto thugs." "Ghetto street trash." "Wonder when she will get her first abortion." The article was removed only after pressure from a number of other sources (though not before posting the original complainers e-mail address publicly). A screenshot of the thread can be found right here. This is definitely not a good look for Free Republic.



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I think this has always been the case, but if anything the internet has blown it open. The difference now is we can see these type of discrepancies in reporting exist, and the good thing is... we can see these type of discrepancies in reporting exist. In the past someone might have read one particular newspaper or watched one news station to get their information, now you can hit dozens/hundreds of sources with no effort and see how each puts their own spin on it, making you question what you can and can't believe.

The only problem for me is will these biases and the effort required to see the whole picture alienate people from reading any of it? It may be the case that you're better informed by seeing one source with a particular slant than seeing nothing because you don't want to wade through the intricacies. You could see a split between a small informed minority who are willing to look further and an uninformed majority who aren't.


Posted By: Liberati (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 01:46 PM

 
 
"As an aside, I am bothered by the line "taxpayers could be hit with a rising tidal wave of health care expenses resulting from the shift in health care coverage from the private to public sector". I interpret that to mean "All of those people that couldn't get coverage or couldn't afford the things they needed will now get them, and that will cause costs to skyrocket". Isn't that the point – to get that either don't have it or don't have enough the coverage that they need?"

really, j? I thought Obama said health care costs were too high and this bill was needed to reign that in. Which we all know means government rationing.


Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 01:49 PM

 
 
why does the CNN article not mention the potential $1.5 trillion estimate? Why does the CNN article not mention the cap on the penalty for declining the option?

Can you find that estimate anywhere other than Faux news? I can't. What about all the lies on the foxnews articale? You must have accidentally left out facts to support your bias, like Fox does numerous times a day.


Posted By: L I A M (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 01:50 PM

 
 
What about all the lefty internet bloggers who make fun of Palin's handicapped child? At least the Obama girls can defend themsleves if ever confronted with cowardly hate.

Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 01:51 PM

 
 
Your media is a joke and just as corrupt as those who run your country. There is no fair and balanced reporting in any form of American media. They just try to sell, sensationalize or convince people to see things the way the media thinks it should be. And the worst part of it all is that the American public just goes along with whatever they’re told.

Posted By: Un- American (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 02:01 PM

 
 
What about all the lefty internet bloggers who make fun of Palin's handicapped child? At least the Obama girls can defend themsleves if ever confronted with cowardly hate.

Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on July 15, 2009 at 01:51 PM

So... it's okay to call the Obama girls ghetto trash if the "left wing bloggers" attack Palin's kid? So two wrongs DO make a right!


Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 02:10 PM

 
 
BTW - what left wing blog ever attacked Palin's handicapped kid, anyway? Can you cite some examples?

Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 02:11 PM

 
 
Yeah, we should all riot and cause chaos just to be rebels, that would work great.

Posted By: Foolio (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 02:32 PM

 
 
It's sad that nobody out there sees a market for unfiltered, fact based reporting. Just give me numbers, both fixed and projections. I will decide for myself whether I think estimates are high or low, and whether the bill is worth its price tag. No "so and so will benefit" or "so and so will pay for it".

Even reading this article, I felt like the bullet points were the most informative part. No tugging me in any direction, just facts. Of course even facts can be biased when you cherry pick which to present and which to obscure.

Bottom line: I won't support this bill unless I feel fully informed, even if my gut says to support it. And the burden of proof should always be on those advocating spending tax dollars. It's time for this administration to stop campaigning on an idea and start talking to us like adults. Tell us the cost, then explain why it's worth it. If they can't effectively do that, it doesn't deserve to pass. And this "cost over ten years" talk needs to stop. Unless it becomes free after the first ten years, any such figure is misleading. Give me an annual price tag and explain the rate it is expected to increase. I promise not to fall asleep.


Posted By: Shockmaster (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 02:36 PM

 
 
yeah, 411 mania.

Never said it was OK to make fun of Obama's kids. But your outrage is selective to suit your political ends. "Oh no, two of the most priveleged children on the planet were made fun of in a potentially racial way, call the civil rights commission and have the White House butler satff give them an extra scoop of ice cream tonight. And oh yeah, pass more hate crime legislation to make sure nobody hates again!"


Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 03:05 PM

 
 
Obama throws like a girl.

Is that offensive to women or black people? Where's PETA, also, because he obviously attempted to murder some small insects around the home plate area with that pitiful throw.


Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 03:09 PM

 
 
And another thing that bothers me about your Fox News and CNNs is how ill-informed they actually are. It’s no wonder you people can be so ignorant to what’s going on in the world. It’s because you have idiots reporting your news. These people are rarely correct in their reports to the point that it’s sometimes offensive for someone like me to read. It’s simple; you’re various mass media outlets are trying to push their own agendas and have no problems skewing the information as long as it serves their purposes. Perhaps one day things will change. Until then let us here more about what a great person Michael Jackson was. Idiots.

Posted By: Un-American (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 03:23 PM

 
 
"Never said it was OK to make fun of Obama's kids. But your outrage is selective to suit your political ends. "Oh no, two of the most priveleged children on the planet were made fun of in a potentially racial way"
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on July 15, 2009 at 03:05 PM"

First off, calling her a "street thug" due to her attire IS racist. Unless I missed the Lil Wayne cover of "Give Peace A Chance", a peace sign is NOT what is hot on the block (perhaps it would be better if it WERE, though...).

My "outrage" isn't selective due to my political affiliations. Haven't you read these comments - because I sare say something bad about CNN I'm obviously a tool of "Faux News". No, my outrage is due to the fact that what was said is racist. I would feel just as outraged if people were saying horrible things about the youngest of the Palins... I simply haven't seen any "lefty bloggers" doing that...


Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 03:58 PM

 
 
"Of course even facts can be biased when you cherry pick which to present and which to obscure." - Shockmaster

After submitting my article, I found myself thinking that this is by far the biggest difficulty. More specifically, who are the sources in this article, anyway? Who said that it could be 1.5 trillion? Who said that only 5% of small businesses will be affected?

I have images of some young dude that looks like Shia LeBeouf getting caught in the hallway by a reporter that yells "QUICK! HOW MUCH WILL THE HOUSE BILL COST?!?!"

"err... umm... uh... 1.5 trillion?"

"Thank you for your quote..."


Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 04:03 PM

 
 
What is old is what is new......republic that is...

During the 1972 campaign for President, Richard Nixon had operative Charles Colson set-up a political action committee called, "Democrats for Muskie and School Bussing". Members of the PAC would show-up at Muskie campaign rallies with huge signs and somehow get behind Muskie when at podium. Although Muskie was not campaigning on school bussing, the signs would say Muskie Supports More School Bussing.

What is old is what is new. I wouldn't be so quick to call the New Republic "racist" when drawing your evidence from anonymous comments sections.

In regard to the news coverage, it is completely reasonable that both stories are correct. It is a bit telling that the Democrats created the CBO to be a non-partisan score keeper for budgetary policy in 1974 but now are intent on ignoring CBO analysis. In closing let me say that anyone that gets their information from a cable news channels is more than likely too partisan to be thought of as an "honest broker".


Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 04:04 PM

 
 
Is it a big secret that un-biased media reports are non-existent? Look, these people are selling a product, so they spin their coverage to appeal to a target audience. We shouldn't pretend that we're getting the full, un-biased story from any news outlet anymore. The only way to be sure you're getting the whole truth is to listen to all sides, and then make your own informed decisions.

Posted By: Masked Defender (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 04:07 PM

 
 
I was at the game, its the first time I have ever witnessed someone use a full wind-up to throw-out a first pitch. It was so Erkel of him. And I didn't even mention the pitch traveled forty-five feet with a ten foot arc.

Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 04:11 PM

 
 
Maybe I'm a Fox-news watching racist and don't understand the context the quote was made, but calling one of the Obama girls a street thug because they were wearing a peace sign shirt strikes me as somebody trying to be funny by being absurd. Besides, are not some street thugs white? Aren't YOU the racist for assuming "street thug" means black person?

Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 04:24 PM

 
 
Say NO! to Faux News... They pander WAY to much to right wing nuts; Msnbc panders to the left, but not nearly as much as Faux news does. CNN is the closest thing to fair that we are ever going to get.

Sad but true.


Posted By: LawrenceNY (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 06:00 PM

 
 
Da Man do you even understand what this article is about? It is quite amusing that you fill the comment section of an article on bias with your bias. If you aren't just being a troll then I have to agree with your point that "Maybe I'm a Fox-news watching racist and don't understand the context the quote was made."

So maybe you should stop ranting here and go read something not from fox.


Posted By: guest (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 06:05 PM

 
 
We can debate semantics, but just a cursory glance at that screen capture was enough to convince me that many of those comments were racially charged. The picture captions are particularly unsettling.

People are allowed, if they like, to believe that someone's skin tone somehow encourages them to be a lower quality of person. But what I really find sad is that such opinions were not only posted, but constituted a considerable portion of the total comments and were not taken down for over a day. Sadder still is that Robinson chose not to address the racial tone of these messages before taking the opportunity to call Obama a Marxist pig (like c'mon man, I know we all wanna, but couldn't you just hold on?).


Posted By: Scotty H (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 06:29 PM

 
 
The Leftys that the conservatives are complaining about is Somethingawful.com. Yes, somethingawful.com. The comedy site. Them.

Posted By: Lefty McRighty (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 07:05 PM

 
 
its very apparent on both sides, from how the article is featured to which ones get priority. best bet is to read everything and make your own choice

Posted By: Guest#7247 (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 07:25 PM

 
 
" I simply haven't seen any "lefty bloggers" doing that..."

You mean like how you've never heard Obama say cap and trade would cause electricity rates to "necessarily sky-rocket"?

Some sights, like DailyKos for example, dumped hateful little blogs or "diaries" down the memory hole, like the one declaring, not even speculating, mind you, that Trig was actually Bristol's child?

Quite frankly, if you're looking for hateful, malicious, ignorant things said about the Palin children, just wander back through some of the comments on articles posted to this site. I mean, comments are the standard right? While you're at it, I'll go back and look for your comments expressing outrage and scolding commenters for using terms like "white trash".


Posted By: The Lepidopterist (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 07:41 PM

 
 
And here in a nutshell is why NOTHING productive EVER gets done in this country. Just check out these comments. Nobody can be civil to one another, nobody can see the other sides point of view EVER, and it just turns into I hate your side because you don't agree with me.

We are in for a long dark road for a VERY long time...because this is juts a microcosm of what is going on in a grander scale in Washington. Be mad at each other as much as you want...the bottom line is if this keeps up we are ALL screwed.


Posted By: bobby (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 08:13 PM

 
 
Say NO! to Faux News... They pander WAY to much to right wing nuts; Msnbc panders to the left, but not nearly as much as Faux news does. CNN is the closest thing to fair that we are ever going to get.

Sad but true.

Posted By: LawrenceNY (Guest) on July 15, 2009 at 06:00 PM

Another example of left-wing hypocritical garbage. Its ok for the left-wing media to be biased as long as it *appears* to be less biased than the right-wing media.

Both are pathetic and do you know why? Because Americans like it that way.


Posted By: Mikel (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 10:31 PM

 
 
Both are pathetic and do you know why? Because Americans like it that way.

Posted By: Mikel (Guest) on July 15, 2009 at 10:31 PM

speak for yourself Michael, lots of Americans watch BBC and use the internets and newspapers for facts wih less spin. Stop including Americans in your ignorance Jesus thinks it is lame!


Posted By: Guest#4718 (Guest)  on July 15, 2009 at 10:48 PM

 
 
sorry "guest", I guess I forgot my oath to only file objective reports in the "Comments" section of a website. Next time I will leave the opinion stuff to the journalists.

Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on July 16, 2009 at 10:34 AM

 
 
Guest#4718 (Guest)

I guess you don't really understand how American television works do you? I'll go slow and use small words:

Tv sells advertising. The more people watch those shows, the more popular the shows become, the more money comes in.

If people stopped watching those shows, the advertising would dry up and the shows would go away.

If people got tired of Fox and MSNBC and stopped watching, they would have to change their focus.

I hope that helps until the next episode of "Coronation Street" comes on.


Posted By: Mikel (Guest)  on July 16, 2009 at 02:43 PM

 
 
I find it funny that Fox News, which is pretty much hated here on 411 along with left leaning sites gets the highest ratings every day in prime time. Even polls suggest it is more balanced than CNN and MSOBAMANBC.

Posted By: Ladynaye (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

 
 
The News used to be operated as a public service. The television companies broadcast the news at a loss. Then someone had the bright idea that they could get ratings with the News and coverage slowly went downhill in quality. Now the object is to make money, and with that comes the need for ratings. Ratings comes with finding a loyal core audience and then trying to expand viewership from that. As long as this is our model, no for profit news organization will be worth watching at all. NPR is your best choice, and it has it's problems as well, but for balanced coverage, that is as good as you will find here in America.

Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest)  on July 17, 2009 at 09:23 PM

 
STAY CURRENT




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