Does Afghanistan Need a Bailout?
Posted by Enrique on 08.27.2009
Gambit...
The war everyone once loved continued its downward spiral this week when four American soldiers were killed by an IED, making 2009 the deadliest year yet for coalition forces in Afghanistan. Even though President Barack Obama has sent over 30,000 additional troops to the region this year, American military commanders say they need more. On a recent appearance of "Meet the Press," chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen said, "I believe we've got to start to turn this thing around from a security standpoint in the next 12 to 18 months."
That's all well and good, but even if a "surge" in Afghanistan could improve security, what would be the point? After eight years, it seems safe to say the U.S. strategy is Afghanistan is even more muddled than it is in Iraq. Last week, the Obama administration raised its 10-year deficit projection by $2 trillion. Since the American government drastically needs to cut expenses, why not start by ending at least one mismanaged, unpopular war?
The story so far…
Last year, candidate Obama rose to the top of the Democrat primary field on the strength of his unimpeachable anti-war stance. Unlike some of his challengers, Obama had never voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq, and it was his credibility on this issue that would propel his historic and ultimately victorious candidacy as the first Hawaiian-American to be elected President of the United States. But while Obama always opposed the war in Iraq, he also promised that as president he would ramp up the war in Afghanistan. Indeed, it was one of the few campaign promises Obama has kept – he ordered additional troops to the region within one month of his inauguration.
Over the last several years of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, a popular mythology developed about the conflicts in the minds of many Americans. In this mythology, the Iraq war was launched under false pretenses, making it an illegitimate enterprise that could only be corrected by a rapid withdrawal of American forces. The invasion of Afghanistan, on the other hand, was self-evidently justifiable and therefore must be seen through to a victorious conclusion. This mythology was central to candidate Obama's promise to prolong the war in Afghanistan while ending the war in Iraq, despite the fact the perceived legitimacy of any war has little effect on the facts on the ground that determine the prospects for success.
To the chagrin of many supporters, President Obama has decided not to noticeably alter his predecessor's policy on Iraq, but he has already put his stamp on the Afghanistan war with a surge to call his very own. But to what end? Although facts on the ground are highly volatile, the current state of Afghanistan is perilous. Not only has the Taliban grown more deadly, but the recent presidential election has been marred by accusations of fraud and corruption. Maybe they understand Western-style democracy better than we realized:
Based on 10 percent of the votes counted, Karzai received 212,927 votes compared with rival Abdullah Abdullah who received 202,889 votes.
Officials stressed that this was only a partial count of last week's presidential election and the margins may change.
Nevertheless, a Cabinet minister in Karzai's government said Tuesday that Karzai has won with 68 percent of the vote, according to several media reports. […]
Abdullah, who was foreign minister under Karzai, has accused the incumbent of rigging the August 20 elections in his favor. Six other presidential candidates have also called for an investigation into "widespread fraud and intimidation" which they said could cast doubt on the legitimacy of the vote. But unlike Abdullah, they did not accuse Karzai of having a role in the alleged fraud.
There may be less to this than meets the eye, since allegations of vote fraud are the new black as far as democratic elections go, but the idea of civil unrest in a country beset by a resurgent Taliban doesn't exact put one's mind at ease.
When George W. Bush implemented General David Petraeus' counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq at the end of 2007, it had some success in quelling the violence in that country. However, it wasn't a permanent solution, and to this day terrorist groups continue to commit atrocities against civilians. But even though the surge in Iraq helped turn that conflict around, it came at the expense of Afghanistan, which has been a lower priority for the Pentagon for many years. It's gotten to the point Adm. Mullen admits the U.S. is essentially starting from scratch in developing a strategy for the "good" war. And it's not clear if a "surge" could work in Afghanistan. Writing in March, a commander who served in Afghanistan explained why a surge would have its own unique challenges:
The [Iraq] surge involved 30,000 more troops but its main ingredient was a new operational approach. Instead of "commuting to the war" from bases, soldiers were asked to "live with the people." Their job? Protect Baghdadis from raging violence. Smaller security stations helped soldiers be both more responsive and effective in urban operations and instill confidence in locals. Barriers and checkpoints limited the movement of militants and terrorists. And some nonviolent "soft cleansing" was permitted, transforming some of Baghdad's mixed neighborhoods into single-sect ones, further reducing violence.
But securing the Afghan population is a much more daunting challenge.
Iraq is like New York State: both feature mostly urban populations with dominant capitals. Pacify the Big Apple and you pacify the whole state; pacify Baghdad and you pacify Iraq. But Afghanistan is more like Alaska: both have rural populations with capital cities far removed from large, mountainous regions. Baghdad alone accounts for 7 million Iraqis – about one-quarter of the population. In Afghanistan, barely one-tenth of the population lives in the five largest cities. Because Baghdad is the political and socioeconomic center of the nation, the calming effect of the surge there reverberated across the country. But there is no such city in Afghanistan.
"Living with the people" in Afghanistan will require a completely different configuration. It would require small numbers of US soldiers living in countless small villages, where they'd be unable to support each other in emergencies. And since only about 20 percent of Afghanistan's roads are paved, quick-reaction forces would slow to a crawl, especially in the mountains and in bad weather.
A successful surge in Afghanistan wouldn't be impossible, but it would cost a great deal more money and more than a few lives, and would require the support of the American public. As it happens, the American public is not currently interested in committing more troops to Afghanistan. According to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll released last week, "51 percent now say the war is not worth fighting, up six percentage points since last month and 10 since March. Less than half, 47 percent, say the war is worth its costs. Those strongly opposed (41 percent) outweigh strong proponents (31 percent)." Additionally, only 24 percent say more troops should be sent to Afghanistan while 45 percent want to reduce the troop levels.
This skepticism is likely a reflection of the fact no clear strategic objectives for Afghanistan have been articulated. While most Americans may believe in the legitimacy of the initial invasion, prolonging the occupation without any particular goal in mind seems like a wasted effort.
Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, is widely expected to request more troops in the next month. If he does, we might want to take a lesson from last year's Wall Street bailout. At the time, our elected representatives insisted that we needed lots of money very quickly to prevent bankruptcies and shore up the economy. They didn't offer many details, and a year later it seems the wisdom of those bailouts was dubious. If Obama asks us to accept a bailout of Afghanistan, the American public would be wise to ask a few questions before letting the government force one down our throat. First and foremost – What are we doing over there?
The economy and healthcare have dominated the news, and it goes un-noticed, that Obama is STILL on Bush's timetable for leaving Iraq, and now his policy in Afghanistan, which there are several military experts already on record that say Afghanistan could be more like Vietnam, than Iraq ever was. And lets not forget, Obama never voted for or against the war in Iraq. Anyone can say they would've voted for or against it, but it's a little different than when you're actually there voting, so I always thought Hillary Clinton in particular dropped the ball in the primaries, in pointing out that fact. She did a couple times, but for the most part she let Obama run with that pretty much with free reign, and he left her in the dust on the issue. The nice thing democrats have going for them though, is no matter what, there base will support them no matter what they do. They are blindly following Obama as if he can do no wrong. Healthcare is a prime example of it. Look at african-americans. They still vote for democrats at a 90 % clip, yet what has the democratic party followed through on for them? They take them for granted every election cycle. Republicans don't have that luxury. Conservatives can and will stay home if those candidates aren't doing what they say they are gonna do. It's why you see Arlen Specter join the democrat party, because he knows he can't ever win as a republican again, because he's totally took a crap on the base most notably the stimulus package.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on August 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM
While I'm not the biggest Obama supporter, I do wish he does right on the Afghan war. As more there being more deaths right now, remember also that 2007 was a deadly year in Iraq, and now Iraq is starting to seem more and more like a legit country.
I expect the same to happen in Afghanistan. And remember, the more Americans are unwilling to fight the more terrorist/taliban forces will feel closer to victory.
Posted By: mr. x (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 12:31 AM
"First and foremost – What are we doing over there?"
Ummm... trying to find the people that actually attacked us?
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 07:48 AM
They should just pull out since they are not even bothing to look for Bin Laden anyways. Nothing is getting done over there other then american lives being lost for no reason. Afganistan did not attack us, the Taliban and Terrorists did. That does nopt mean the country of Afganistan is responsible for the attacks. Guilt by assoiciation. That is like a country blaming the american people for something one of our Soldiers does on forign soil. We should pull out and end that stupid war. There should only be 1 goal for us being there, Bin Laden... nothing else. Anyone that says otherwise is a complete fool. There is no oil, just poppie plants for drugs. Save american lives and send our men and women home, its obvious they are never going to find Bin Laden because he is worth more to the US government alive then dead. Point is, as long as the fear of him still being out there is around, then the military can get more funding, hence, worth more alive then dead, or atleast alive in our memory. Honestly, do you think the military would get the funding it recieves if we were no longer in Iraq and Afganistan? Probably not. There is to much wasteful spending in the service. Heck I was in it and heard on a month by month basis, "If we don't spend the money, then we won't get more for next time." I watched Camp Casey, Korea get a skateboarding park for the 3 skateboarders that lived between there and Camp Hovey. Talk about a waste of cash. The truth is end the war and wasteful spending of the military and Obama crack baby spending and you could lower the national debt. Other than that I gotr nothing to say.
Posted By: End all wars! (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 01:39 PM
'Ummm... trying to find the people that actually attacked us?'
No, the people that attacked us are dead. We're trying to find the people who were the 'masterminds' behind the attacks.
Wait, no we're not. We're sitting our soldiers on street corners and in green zones waiting for the populace to get so pissed off that they blow themselves up just to cause a little misery.
This whole middle eastern conflict is pointless at this time, and should ended post haste. Whatever meaningful objectives we were trying to achieve (if that ever was the case) have long since fallen far out of our reach, and we need to pack up and leave.
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 01:47 PM
Iraq a more legit country huh Mr.X. You mean all those bombing that have been going off since we left the towns. Ya you're right bombs and dead people make a country more legit.
Pulling out of Afghanistan would be dumb. Do they even have a security force to deal with Taliban when we leave.
More innocent people we feed to the lions cause something isnt popular anymore.
Posted By: Guest#6172 (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 02:19 PM
"Iraq a more legit country huh Mr.X. You mean all those bombing that have been going off since we left the towns. Ya you're right bombs and dead people make a country more legit."
No, it's on its way to a legit country seeing as we got rid of its dictator. Also, a few people bombing does not make it less of a legit country. America, France, England, etc all have anarchist that would love to see the government fall by any means, yet most people living in those countries are content with where they live and would not want to see it go down. I honestly hate people who think a few bad apples means we failed seeing as, oh, I don't know, 3/4ths of the population voted with their lives on the line.
"This whole middle eastern conflict is pointless at this time, and should ended post haste. Whatever meaningful objectives we were trying to achieve (if that ever was the case) have long since fallen far out of our reach, and we need to pack up and leave.
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 01:47 PM"
Well, for starters, people were less scared to vote in the last Iraqi election than the one before it. And packing up and leaving is what the Taliban would want us to do. We are leaving Iraq is a slow pace to make sure the country remains stable when we're gone and that the Iraq army can handle the insugants.
"Afganistan did not attack us, the Taliban and Terrorists did. That does nopt mean the country of Afganistan is responsible for the attacks. Guilt by assoiciation. That is like a country blaming the american people for something one of our Soldiers does on forign soil. We should pull out and end that stupid war."
Also, no, we are not fighting the country of Afghanistan as their army is helping out fight the Taliban. Why would their own army help us fight their own country? It's things like this that make we question most people drinking the cool-aid.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 06:53 PM
Wasn't one of Obama's campaign promises to end the war? and sending 30,000 more troops over there ends it quicker how? Obama is a lying piece of shit, just like the rest of the democrat party.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 07:19 PM
Guest#6172, who gives a shit? You really think our guys are stamping out the Taliban?
We're just aggravating the situation. They had their chance at Bin Laden at Tora Bora, some "high ranking official" told them to pull back (according to a Delta Force commando's bio)so too bad so sad.
Our guys are just playing security guard until they get shot at or blown up, then they return fire, then they go back to standing around. If you really cared about them you'd want them to get the fuck out.
Posted By: Foolio (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 08:03 PM
Just nuke both Iraqi and Afghanistan and be done with it.
Posted By: nobody (Guest) on August 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM
To Foolio = I give a shit and dont think we should let the people of Afghanistan die. I understand it's tough but we should be in Pakistan chasing those bastards down. If we left now the bodies of innocent people would pile up on the streets in Afghanistan.
We can keep dicking around over there playing cat and mouse over boarders or chase em down and stomp the shit out of them.
Posted By: Guest#7435 (Guest) on August 28, 2009 at 03:41 AM