Obama: Educator in Chief
Posted by Joe Rivett on 09.06.2009
If Obama could indoctrinate our children so easily, maybe he should spend his speech reading multiplication tables…
I really don't understand the hatred toward Obama. The latest conservative whine fest surrounds a speech Obama will be giving to our children about the importance of doing well in school and setting goals.
I remember in elementary school we sang songs about just saying no to drugs… so much for the success of that indoctrination.
According to Education Secretary Arne Duncan:
Obama intends to "challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning," Duncan wrote. Obama will also call for a "shared responsibility" among students, parents and educators to maximize learning potential.
I know what you are thinking… This is truly the second coming of Hitler. Children will be coming home like Zombies on the first day of school chanting communist phrases like "single payer" and "gay marriage." Conservatives are also mad that the Department of Education is offering lesson plans to go with the speech. Well, there is no mandate and as a former teacher, I would ignore their suggested lessons. If conservatives really cared about the federal government staying out of education, they shouldn't have supported No Child Left Behind which gave actual government mandates with only partial funding to meet those mandates.
Back in 2003, I showed my students Bush's Iraq War speech. It wasn't to indoctrinate the students but it was to allow them to experience what would be a historic moment. When the president speaks, our children should pay attention. After all, public schools are funded by the government! Even if you hate Obama, it is hard to argue with setting goals, staying in school, AND TAKING PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. In addition, it may give minority students a shining example of how education can overcome racial statistics and his story provides a role model to many students.
Some parents are not allowing their children to go to school that day. As if school is a sanctuary on any normal day. Keep in mind children are picked on for every flaw in school, offered drugs, meet people who they will have sex with, and learn about every president before Obama.
All conservatives are doing is taking the microscope off health care where they have made an actual dent. By harping on a story like this, they give Obama a chance to control the discussion and of course, win an easy argument… Kids should try hard in school.
I don't know whether you are liberal or conservative, given that to most sane people this topic should be an open-and-shut case. But thank you for finally being a voice of reason on the Political zone. I was losing faith quickly.
Posted By: Ryan Bates (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 02:54 AM
Students should write a letter to themselves asking how the can help the president reach his goals.
Posted By: Guest#3563 (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 03:34 AM
Joe Rivett: "I really don't understand the hatred toward Obama."
Three Words: Obama Derangement Syndrome.
Posted By: Crow21 (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 03:42 AM
Last I checked, when Bush Sr. did the same in 91, the left freaked. Dick Gephart among others railed against it.
Its not that Obama is giving a speech to kids, its the lesson plans and the teachers unions getting the whole day to praise the mighty one that rub some of us the wrong way.
So, former teacher Rivett, last year during the election my childrens school handed out Obama literature to the kids with nothing for McCain. When I asked why this was the case, they said there wasn't enough McCain material for all the kids, so they handed out none. When I asked if that was fair, I was asked by the superintendant of our school district if I was accusing them of a conspiracy. It went downhill from there. I have a idea. Lets spend school time actually educating our children. You know math, english, that sort of thing.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 03:44 AM
Sadly, the American right has this insane need to make Rush Limbaugh happy and have been doing their best to sink everything Obama proposes.
Next he's going to offer milk and cookies and they'll threaten to leave for... Well, I can't say Canada because that's where lefties go.
Northern Ireland? They're pro gun there.
Posted By: Q:? (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 04:07 AM
Joe Rivett: "I really don't understand the hatred toward Obama."
Three Words: Obama Derangement Syndrome.
Posted By: Crow21 (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 04:09 AM
It's not the hatred of Obama I don't get. It's the FEAR that seems to cripple the right. I mean people are so terrified of anything and everything this man may or may not do that they can't even think straight I honestly don't get it. Oh btw don't know if you are aware but the White House will be posting a transcript of the speech on monday, so if parents want to make an educated decision they can do so. Anyone want to bet on how large of a minority will actually read it and how big a majority of the scared will continue to wail that the sky is falling?
Posted By: Ult (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 05:31 AM
when i was a kid, i remember watching speeches in school made by presidents reagan and bush41 and also the "say no to drugs" speeches made by nancy reagan. i dont recall any contreversy then, what is different now?
regardless of party, the president is saying, "STAY IN SCHOOL" how is that communist propaganda?!
at some point during the mid 90's the political atmosphere changed, for the worst. today, no politician can do anything without the other side putting some partisan spin on it. it is sad and pathetic.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 07:28 AM
"In addition, it may give minority students a shining example of how education can overcome racial statistics and his story provides a role model to many students."
Wait a minute...I thought the election of The Messiah already took care of that! You mean he hasn't magically solved everyone's problems yet? Bummer.
Posted By: Eric (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 07:39 AM
If I were a schoolteacher, I'd make that day a triple-attendance day, just to have them watch the speech and discuss it like rational people.
When did the conservative right movement jump the shark? They seemed pretty reasonable under Reagan and Bush I? I'm guessing it was when Clinton got elected. I think something in their little minds couldn't process the fact that the American public didn't give a shit about his draft-dodging, pot smoking or affairs, as long as he kept the country in order (which he did). They have never really recovered, embracing the intellectual wasteland known as Bush II, and vilifying Obama (with more than a few of them doing it for racial reasons, even though most never out and out say so).
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 09:38 AM
This whole thing is pretty damn stupid. I will say that Obama needs to be careful with the language and tone. If he does come across as someone who is showing them "tough love" and wagging his finger, many of the kids who do see this will think to themselves, "I haven't done anything to Pres. Obama and he's yelling at me.". Basically, he can't come across as a dick. He has to be firm and kind at the same time. I doubt he will get nasty, but if he is, it could turn a whole generation of kids against hiim and what he stands for.
Posted By: The Great Capt. Smooth (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 09:48 AM
They're kids. They'll listen for about a minute and zone out. That's what kids do.
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 06, 2009 at 10:59 AM
I agree with the parents who are concerned. As they would tell you, schools should be places of learning rational, objective things. Like Creationism.
Posted By: Ingwa (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 11:59 AM
I still have Bush Derangement syndrome.
Posted By: Rivett Dunn (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 12:42 PM
I would ignore their suggested lessons. If conservatives really cared about the federal government staying out of education, they shouldn't have supported No Child Left Behind which gave actual government mandates with only partial funding to meet those mandates.
Rivett, Ted Kennedy had a big hand in that legistlation did he not?
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Just what we need, a government law that says that HUSSEIN gets to talk to our kids about his socialest-nazi-commy propoganda. I want my change back!
Posted By: Nascar Billy (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Is this speech going to Obamas daughters PRIVATE SCHOOL were a bunch of students can't go to anymore becuase Obama cut a successful school voucher program?
Posted By: Guest#5667 (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 01:15 PM
John,
Ted Kennedy never claimed to be for less government so I expected him to back it.
Posted By: Joe Rivett (Registered) on September 06, 2009 at 01:33 PM
Well if no child left behind sucks so bad then why are you not more critical of Kennedys hand in writing a bad bill? Funny, when it comes to health care, J. Alexander points out its not the president who writes legistlation. When it comes to No child left behind, its BUSH.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 02:38 PM
Hopefully after Obama lectures the future democrats of america, he can put on Van Jones. He is so eloquent in speaking of comunism, 911 truth, and race. A class act, who apparently has nothing else going now.
Posted By: Rivett Dunn (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 03:14 PM
I don't get the hubbub. I keep hearing about Reagan, Bush and Bush addressing school kids. They must have been great speeches as I don't have any recollection. Its not like Obama is having Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi or Dr. Khalid al Mansour address the students.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 03:24 PM
What I don't get is the anger over the statement "help the President achieve his goals". He's the highest elected official in the government, regardless of party. This is a speech on education, not on tax reform (which Reagan gave to children back in the '80s). His goals are to fight illiteracy, prevent drop-outs in secondary education, and promote a sense of pride in learning. Why would anyone argue with helping him in those goals? Doesn't everyone want those three things? At what point did promoting education become socialist rhetoric?
Posted By: Guest#2286 (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 04:35 PM
"Is this speech going to Obamas daughters PRIVATE SCHOOL were a bunch of students can't go to anymore becuase Obama cut a successful school voucher program?"
Actually, President Obama fought to keep kids in the program, so they actually *can* still go there.
And I should point out that the reason they cut the funding for that program is that the Department of Education found that the results weren't good enough to support the costs of the program.
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 06, 2009 at 04:49 PM
I don't get the hubbub. I keep hearing about Reagan, Bush and Bush addressing school kids. They must have been great speeches as I don't have any recollection. Its not like Obama is having Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi or Dr. Khalid al Mansour address the students.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 03:24 PM
Well, when Obama opens his mouth, that IS who's giving the speech, since he's merely a puppet mouthpiece for the radical anti-American tripe spewed by the aforementioned. I can certainly understand the hatred toward Obama, even if I don't personally share it. He's witless without a teleprompter, and gutless, given his pre-presidential voting record in Illinois. He's a talking head with a lot of ideas and no plans. The problem with this speech, combined with his "I pledge to Obama" TV commercial (yes, I know he didn't make the commercial...his worshippers did) serves to put any reasonable person on the defensive and question the man's motives. I mean, every fucking thing out of his mouth so far has been a lie, so why not this? And for chrissakes, people, stop bringing up Bush! He was a shitty president, but he's gone now, and in the context of a speech on indoctrin...I mean, education, irrelevant.
Posted By: Almost as bad as Zimmer (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 06:03 PM
"Oh btw don't know if you are aware but the White House will be posting a transcript of the speech on monday, so if parents want to make an educated decision they can do so."
and, as much as the left lies, how do we know this will even be the full speech, not a version with stuff cut out? The hatred for Obama comes from him being shoved down our throats by every liberal news station, newspaper, and every leftie like you who want us to kiss the ground Obama walks on. He has been on the job 7 months, and things are worse than the were under Bush. All of Obama's campaign slogans were about "change" but none of it has been good.
Posted By: JWestmoreland (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 06:55 PM
I LOVE the "pledge to Obama" commercial.
Posted By: Rivett Dunn (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 06:57 PM
I agree with the parents who are concerned. As they would tell you, schools should be places of learning rational, objective things. Like Creationism.
Posted By: Ingwa (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Don't forget:
1> Homosexuals are born that way
2> Teaching grade 6'ers how to use condoms will prevent them from having babies before they turn 16
Posted By: Mikel (Guest) on September 06, 2009 at 10:41 PM
I don't have a problem with the president giving a speech no matter what side he is on, but for Obama or any politcian to gives give anyone much less kids a speech on PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY well maybe they should try leading by example first. Obama needs to shut up, cut all the speeches, does he know that's he is NOW President. He needs to show some leadership and he's done none of that. Don't be telling kids to set goals, tell Congress and the Senate too
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 01:31 AM
Oh btw don't know if you are aware but the White House will be posting a transcript of the speech on monday, so if parents want to make an educated decision they can do so."
and, as much as the left lies, how do we know this will even be the full speech, not a version with stuff cut out? The hatred for Obama comes from him being shoved down our throats by every liberal news station, newspaper, and every leftie like you who want us to kiss the ground Obama walks on. He has been on the job 7 months, and things are worse than the were under Bush. All of Obama's campaign slogans were about "change" but none of it has been good.
hmm interesting. well to answer your first question, its simple. With the script being out there, It would be VERY easy for someone to do a compare and contrast to what is actually said when he gives the speech. If there are signifigant diffrence then he would be caught in a blatent lie, which would do serious damage to his credibility. On things being worse then they were under bush, that is debateable, HOWEVER I recall that Obama told us from the get go that things were going to be rough and that they would get worse before they get better. He gave us a heads up, is it his fault some people didn't listen?
Posted By: ult (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 02:09 AM
LOL is anyone suprised that a guy named "Nascar Billy" would refer to Obama as HUSSEIN?
Posted By: worthythorn (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 02:54 AM
John, this column isn't about no child left behind... stay on topic :)
Posted By: Joe Rivett (Registered) on September 07, 2009 at 07:13 AM
Um, his name is Hussein, so what does it matter if he's referred to as such?
The reason for the outcry is because of the tone and content of the message, not the fact that he's giving a message. His whole presidency is centered around what he can accomplish through cult of personality. Asking the kids to think about what they can do to help President Obama accomplish his goals matters to parents when those goals are not the same as their own. Most parents DON'T want higher taxes, more government control, etc.
Posted By: King Durin (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 09:26 AM
"And for chrissakes, people, stop bringing up Bush! He was a shitty president, but he's gone now, and in the context of a speech on indoctrin...I mean, education, irrelevant."
Except that it isn't irrelevant because it provides a precedent for a presidential speech to school kids.
"Don't be telling kids to set goals,"
Seriously?
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 07, 2009 at 09:58 AM
" Funny, when it comes to health care, J. Alexander points out its not the president who writes legistlation. When it comes to No child left behind, its BUSH."
Whoa whoa there, playa. Bush and Obama both did what they were supposed to do. They told Congress "We need " and let Congress work from there. The difference here is that Congress isn't handling the job for President Obama, so he's having to do their job plus his.
Bush gets blamed because so many of us (including those of us in education) have such extreme issues with the concepts Bush presented (specifically, not mandating that all of his changes be funded). Obama has covered that part. The equivalent is having an issue with Obama's desire to make sure 99% of people have insurance...
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Registered) on September 07, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Even if it was a speech asking children to get involved politically, to me opposition to that is funny as well. The whole backbone of democracy is self government, and at the very least AWARENESS of what the government does and knowledge on how to get into contact with elected officials to either get their help or influence them one way or the other.
These things are never emphasized or taught in school. I believe however it should be the first thing taught in school, hell, I'd consider making it mandatory for HS students, in their final year, to work in some political campaign/capacity. It is that important.
But nobody wants that. Neither party wants that because they prefer sneaking things through. Big corporations don't want that, as again, they want things to play out only for their benefit. And apparently, parents don't want that, at least these ones, simply because they are stupid and don't realize the benefits to having a voice in the political process.
The whole thing is retarded, and is another example of why non US-citizens frequently criticize American citizens for being stupid. Politics is just a HS clique war played out through the media. These are the same games teenage girls play when they dislike somebody. Attack the other side any way you can just because you can at all times. Make no attempts to actually solve problems or work to improve yourself, just make sure to drag somebody else down no matter what they try. I will get flamed for this post of course, I know that already.
Posted By: Guest#2174 (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Whoa whoa there, playa. Bush and Obama both did what they were supposed to do. They told Congress "We need " and let Congress work from there. The difference here is that Congress isn't handling the job for President Obama, so he's having to do their job plus his.
Bush gets blamed because so many of us (including those of us in education) have such extreme issues with the concepts Bush presented (specifically, not mandating that all of his changes be funded). Obama has covered that part. The equivalent is having an issue with Obama's desire to make sure 99% of people have insurance...
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Registered) on September 07, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Playa? I am not one of your "homies" so speak proper english and I will have more respect for you.
So your concern with Bush was a lack of proper funding? You think Obama has proper funding for his health care proposals? Really? If you think that, your stupid.Uhhhh, tax rich, reforms!!!
That isn't going to get it done.
Some of you on the left keep implying that this will be deficit nuetral. Your insane if you think that.
Your buddies like to quote fact check, well here you go, August 14 post:
"False: The Bill Is Paid For
At least, it isn’t paid for yet.
President Obama has repeatedly said that a health care overhaul "will be paid for” and that he won’t sign a bill that isn’t deficit-neutral. But neither the House bill nor the Senate HELP Committee bill meets that criteria. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation, the House bill as introduced would add a net $239 billion over 10 years to the deficit, while the HELP Committee bill racks up more, $597 billion over 10 years."
Stunning that you and your buddies keep trying to argue this......Or does that make me a "playa hata"?
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 01:11 PM
These things are never emphasized or taught in school. I believe however it should be the first thing taught in school, hell, I'd consider making it mandatory for HS students, in their final year, to work in some political campaign/capacity. It is that important.
Works well in NORTH KOREA.
Posted By: Guest#5286 (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 01:14 PM
John, this column isn't about no child left behind... stay on topic :)
Posted By: Joe Rivett (Registered) on September 07, 2009 at 07:13 AM
Well it is in your article..........so what other part of the article am I not supposed to bring up? Is the whole piece off topic?" Don't talk about what I wrote".....typical of a lib.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 01:26 PM
I vaguely remember this. The first Bush's at least, I don't know if I saw one on Clinton or Regan, think I was too old and too young for those two. People are stupid and will look for any reason to be stupid, its not new.
Also I am totally cool with calling Obama 'Hussain' if we can also call Bush Jr. 'Herbie'. I wish I had thought of that when he was in office now. Damn.
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 02:16 PM
Anyone who keeps their kids home rather than have them listen to the speech is easily manipulated, full of confusion, fear hate, and possibly racism? I mean come on... seriously? I didn't pay any attention in school to the other President speeches myself. This whole concept is ridiculous and slightly amusing. Love it.
Posted By: The Weesel (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 02:58 PM
These things are never emphasized or taught in school. I believe however it should be the first thing taught in school, hell, I'd consider making it mandatory for HS students, in their final year, to work in some political campaign/capacity. It is that important.
Works well in NORTH KOREA.
Posted By: Guest#5286 (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 01:14 PM
I wasn't aware North Korea was a democracy. Just because they call themselves a socialist republic (which is different than the democratic republic the US has in place) doesn't mean that in practice it isn't simply a dictatorship. What a stupid comment.
Posted By: Guest#3633 (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 03:15 PM
Also I am totally cool with calling Obama 'Hussain' if we can also call Bush Jr. 'Herbie'. I wish I had thought of that when he was in office now. Damn.
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 02:16 PM
Except for 2 things. First, "Herbie" would be denigrating, in that it assigns a childlike name to the president. Make what you will of that, but it's still disrespectful. Second, the Bush you dickheads love to hate's name is George WALKER Bush. Not George Herbert Walker Bush. That was his dad. Also kind of a shitty president, but still... So your analogy is stupid, as I assume you are, since Herbert, or Herbie as you say, isn't even part of Bush II's name. Hussein IS part of Barack Obama's name. If you're gonna make a play on names, know what you're talking about, you dumb cunt. Thank you and have a nice day.
Posted By: Clearin Brush (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 06:47 PM
Bush gets blamed because so many of us (including those of us in education) have such extreme issues with the concepts Bush presented (specifically, not mandating that all of his changes be funded). Obama has covered that part. The equivalent is having an issue with Obama's desire to make sure 99% of people have insurance...
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Registered) on September 07, 2009 at 10:10 AM
A lot of these mandates *were* funded, yet the individual states did not distribute these funds, even when they were available. That's NPR saying that, not me. And what 'standards' did you NEA jackoffs have such a problem with? Standards? Having to PROVE you dickheads actually do something other than show up and collect a check? Given the state of our educational system, THAT would be a real surprise. Why do you have such a problem with testing? If you're doing your job, and TEACHING the kids, it shouldn't be a problem. All I ever hear is teachers whining about money and how much they don't get paid, yet they knew how much the job paid when they took it, and teacher don't seem to concentrate on doing anything to deserve more. I don't mean to be so harsh, but I WAS a teacher for 5 years, and got sick of the horseshit I had to deal with from parents, and so found another career, which, I suspect, is what most of you whining asses need to do. I have no sympathy for teachers and get sick of their puerile mewling. Don't like it? Get the fuck out. Oh, that's right, those who can't do, teach. Teaching used to be a noble profession. Now it's populated with NEA retards who won't just suck it up and do their jobs. I've never had a problem testing or proving I'm competent at MY job. Why do you? Bush was one of the most pro-education presidents we've ever had and you vilified him. Why? I think it's because he wasn't liberal, because really, you assholes don't care about education as much as you care about liberal indoctrination. You want high pay and no work, and you damn sure don't love what you do. Quit and do something else. I loved teaching, but I couldn't deal with the parents who whined when little Dillon or Rakim didn't get promoted socially. I was bad about telling parents their kids were stupid, and should give up dreams of college and consider vo-tech...or prison.
Posted By: Former Educator (Guest) on September 07, 2009 at 08:01 PM
Former educator needs a blowjob.
Posted By: Guest#3155 (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 01:14 AM
Public schools are funded by the government what? I thought the tax payers funded the government not the other way around.
Also this happens everytime a president talks to school kids EVERYTIME PEOPLE!
get over it already unless you like being pissed at the world then continue.
Posted By: Guest#9774 (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 03:42 AM
Former educator needs a blowjob.
Posted By: Guest#3155 (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 01:14 AM
Your mom took care of it. She was cheap, but worth it.
Posted By: Former Educator (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 05:49 AM
I hated the fringe liberal bashing of GWB. Farenheit 9/11 was such a fucking joke, and it turned everyone who saw it into a lunatic. I knew the Right would follow suit with Obama in office, but I can't believe its happened so fast. Is everybody just fucking nuts in this country?
Posted By: C (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 08:50 AM
"at some point during the mid 90's the political atmosphere changed, for the worst"
I know EXACTLY when it changed: when the GOP tried their character assassination of Bill Clinton over a bj! It's worse now than ever, with the Republicans screaming about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING Obama and the Democrats try to do. There is a reason why the GOP is the minority party, and their childish actions just reinforce that. It will not go unnoticed at the polls next year either...
Posted By: DG_W (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 11:27 AM
I really don't see the problem with letting the man speak to the kids. What's the big deal? If he says something a parent happens to disagree with, why can't you just talk to your own kid and explain why you disagree?
Are you trying to protect your kids from even hearing an opposing viewpoint? That's ridiculous. Listen, I'm one of Obama's toughest critics, and I just don't see anything wrong here.
Posted By: Masked Defender (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Kids were already shown "An Inconvenient Truth" in a lot of schools, so that was far worse in terms of indoctrination than anything Obama will probably tell these kids.
American parents are reacting to Obama's speech perhaps disporportionately when taken by itself, but then maybe not forcefully enough when it is combined with all the other liberal indoctrination that has already made it into the public school ciriculum.
Enough is enough Obama. Defend the country, and let the country operate on it's own. Nobody needs him interfering in every little aspect of Amercian life. Go away.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 12:28 PM
People need to stop whining and bitching. When I was a kid i didnt give a shit about school and didnt see its benefits at first. Maybe having the president of the usa telling kids how important education is will motivate some kids to take it seriously. Im tired of all the socialist remarks about obama. The american people voted him in, why not give him a fucking shot. People shit on everything he does. I dont get it.
Posted By: Guest#1503 (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 04:36 PM
Liberal indoctrination in school's is bullshit. I grew up in a small community in PA, and went to a school known for being a bunch of farmers. I was literally the most liberal person in that school. The vast majority of kids and teachers were conservative. If there were any liberal teachers outside the art teacher ('natch) they kept their mouths shut because they were worried about the parents who threw fits over stupid shit like a World Cultures class where we learned about Muslims. Guess what? We learned about Christians too.
I then got to college, the supposed pinnacle of liberal indoctrination. I remember my conservative professors more because they were more vocal than my liberal ones. If I had a liberal loon, it was usually pretty easy to figure out their bullshit (anyone who told me to see a Michael Moore film). I even had one professor who I knew was liberal, but the dude refused to voice his political slant during the '04 elections. He instead just implored everyone to vote so our demographic would be vocal regardless of party.
Liberal indoctrination is a nice buzzword for pundits but I don't think most have actual been to a real college recently. They still have this image of liberal student protests from the '60s and '70s. The only reason conservatives tend to get a bad rep on most college campuses is because a lot of Young/Campus Republican groups don't have tact and do stupid bullshit to draw attention to themselves rather than trying to open a dialogue on issues. On my campus, they usually came close to inciting at least one race war a year by staging shit like affirmative action bake sales and then passing out false information and/or making racist comments to incite a reaction.
Posted By: Guest#0585 (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 06:23 PM
I have no problem with any president doing this. What I do have a problem with is the NEA wants to crucify Bush for it, but when Obama does it it's cool. THAT'S the issue I have. I think every president should do something like this, but if the NEA is gonna shit all over one president, then they should shit all over this one too. I want to see a big ass load dropped by the NEA on Obama. It won't happen. I would like to see which conservatives actually made this a big deal though. I listend to Hannity, and he pretty much said the same thing I was thinking, and that was there isn't a problem with this, but the left wing media and the NEA took a crap on Bush 41 for doing the same thing, and they pay no lipservie to Obama doing it. Hannity is about as dumb as conservatives get, so maybe someone can enlighten me as to who really made this a big deal, or if this is typical left wing media trying to get peoples minds off the real debate going on, which is the health care debate which Obama is getting owned on.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on September 08, 2009 at 09:55 PM
STAY CURRENT