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 411mania » Politics » Blog Entry
Obama Accentuates the Positive
Posted by Jason Douglas on 09.11.2009



Since most of you have read my comments as Shockmaster I'll skip the personal introduction. It's great to be a writer here at 411 after years of enjoying the site. While both sides of the political aisle will be subject to my scrutiny, I won't make cheap, blanket attacks for the sake of stirring emotions. If you agree with me, great. If you come away disagreeing but respecting how I argue a point, that's great too. Being agreed with is a nice stroke for the ego, but I derive far more enjoyment from moments when I think "that's a great point" or "I never thought of it that way". I will refrain from the use of obscenities, and I ask that you do the same in your comments. Civility promotes a meaningful exchange of ideas, name calling does not. On with the show.

Barack Obama delivered quite a speech for health care legislation. He concentrated his effort on highlighting the aspects of reform which are almost certain to be included in a final bill and reach his desk. He went as far as to state that while numerous Presidents have tried to pass health care reform, he intends to be the last. If you score the speech on political points alone, it was a huge success. If you compare what he intends to achieve with the level of reform which is needed, not so much.

Ending the ability to drop those who have paid for their policies is a great improvement, as well as capping yearly or lifetime payments for treatment. The point that the uninsured cost all of us money was also a valid one, and a logical argument for providing an option so they pay something into the system. He did a very good job of partitioning his speech into two distinct parts. He stated that everything he had said to that point was fact and no one was disputing the need for the changes he had listed. This ensured that no matter what dissension there is on many of his plans, it must be conceded that he is bringing meaningful reform. He is poised to claim a political victory whether he substantively fixes the system or not.

In the second part of his speech, Obama fudged a few things. He claimed that he was saving four trillion dollars in the long term with his plan. That number seemed to be pulled from the sky. There was also a very ominous statement that if the plan created deficits that spending would be cut to keep it "deficit neutral". Cuts where exactly? When he stated that the pharmaceutical industry initially opposed reform, he didn't mention they came on board only with the promise of no price negotiations, the single biggest cost saver we could implement. His worst mistake in style was advocating policy by default. The absence of an alternative does not make a lone idea a good one. Even if you believe the GOP are just obstructionists, that's not an argument for what's on the table.

Health care reform is about two basic principles needing to coexist: people deserve treatment when they're sick, and that treatment must be fiscally feasible if it is to be realized. The President made a logical, practical and sound case for the first principle. On the second principle, he pretty much punted. The fiscal realities of his promises will be debated for weeks. What cannot be debated is that the underlying causes of skyrocketing overall costs were not adequately addressed here. It appears to me that since Obama openly dismissed a single payer system as a possibility, and has allowed real price negotiation to be blocked, our nation will have to revisit this issue after it becomes an even larger percentage of our economy and the devastation will already have occurred. He pointed out that the uninsured gain great leverage by pooling together. So why shouldn't that principle be utilized on a national level? The speech was a fine attempt to sell the illusion of a problem being solved, when in reality we are getting one more band-aid.


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Fiscally feasible is another GOP code word for everyone, but the poor, minorities and non-whites. I bet we see more of these words as we move forward as well.

Posted By: AFan (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 12:19 AM

 
 
You know what it was, it was a speech that was actually designed to be positive and bring in the Democrats who have done nothing but fight each other all Summer long. There are many things the President said that are now canon, recorded in history, that will have to be thoroughly explained in his final bill. If he says he's not going to raise the deficit by one dime then he will be held to it.

I think his concessions such as examining tort reform, tax incentives, disaster pay, and willingness to pull back on the public option were a great series of positive signs to the Republicans. It was also the best common day praise of what liberalism is really all about. The ideal that Government is not inherently evil and destructive, which has been the battle cry of all nearly all the hard line opposition as of late. His mandate on everyone capable to get healthcare was not only positive, but mandated personal responsibilty from us all. Now that, is a positive thing.

Is the entire situation rosy red, peachy keen? No. Was it ever going to bring in the Republicans, dancing and singing onto his side? Of course not. But overall it sold the moral clarity of the fact that as the greatest nation on earth we have a failing system and now is the time to turn things around, once and for all. That sense of urgency, community responsibility and the reality of doing nothing the same as nothing short of failure to the detriment of us all, those are real things not just nice words and pretty speech.

If his exchange plan with a potential for a minor public option can and will serve as insurance industry regulation, and if his budget has the caveat that if they do need more money then further spending cuts will be installed- then we must hold him to his words. I urge everyone to do that and when his bill comes out, to examine it and call him on it when it's out. Until then, your opinion matters about as much as mine does, neither of which really solve the overall problem- but hopefully we can all agree on raising the level of political discourse as we are on this forum, and Mr. Obama did on Weds, is if nothing else, truly a step in a positive direction.


Posted By: The Weesel (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 02:09 AM

 
 
Jason (Shockmaster)...

Thank you for your first written column; it was enlightning, "fair and balanced", with "no spin". I agree with the last paragraph, especially; you were spot... good look.

The Weesel, I also agree with your comment; stay out of my head. ;+)


Posted By: Independent4Obama (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 09:45 AM

 
 
Frankly sometimes to solve a moral issue (and this IS a moral issue) people need to sacrifice for the common good. And in this case if it means more taxes than so be it. Unless there are cuts in government that can be made to pay for it, it doesn't leave much of a choice.

We cannot continually want all these programs to survive and thrive (medicare and social security for example) and not want to pony up and as individuals pay for it in some way that will make these programs able to survive long term. Many of us pay for them now and some probably pay more than their fair share, change in the way the government handles the tax code could finally fix that problem and may even stream line it to such an extent that loopholes are fixed and money is gained without actually having to raise taxes. If there is another way to get these rolling I'd be all ears as I know the word taxes is an evil four letter word.

But healthcare for all is a morality issue that, I hope at least, we all can agree one everyone should have the right to care when they are sick without being financially ruined because of it. There are no easier answers but at the same time without civil discussion between the two parties (which is sorely lacking on both sides), answers will be even harder to come by if they are gotten at all.


Posted By: saywhat (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

 
 
AFan: If "fiscally feasible" is a political buzz word, I wasn't aware. The hypocrisy of Republicans suddenly becoming budget hawks doesn't mean they are wrong. If it wasn't clear, I support single payer which would cover everyone.

The Weesel: While I agree that Obama's speech was a positive step, his remark about being the last President to address health care reform confirmed the worst fears of many progressives. There will be some improvements, but the sweeping reform which is needed to control costs is about to be brushed aside. This stands to be Obama's "Mission Accomplished" if his promise of deficit neutrality isn't kept. They proposed taxing the rich, taxing the coverage of those who have it as income, but now figure simply cutting waste and fraud will be enough? I see some very creative accounting ahead. The way books are kept in Chicago would make Bernie Madoff blush, and those are the people surrounding Obama.


Posted By: Jason Douglas (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM

 
 
Not too bad, Shockmaster. Certainly better than your ill-fated debut in WCW so long ago.

One of my main problems with Obama is that he is willing to say things that are almost impossibilities. For example, he campaigned hard that he wasn't going to raise taxes. I'd lay down money that he will. Reagan raised taxes. Bush Sr. raised taxes. Clinton raised taxes. Obama will to, and he should. It's irresponsible not to. We have to pay for this spending spree somehow, and that is the main generator for the government's income. You don't have to raise it a lot (and for God's sake, please don't raise it on business! Those guys already pay too much in taxes), but just a little bit per person would go a long way.

Back to the point, he wants to save money by trimming waste in the current system. Haven't people been trying to do that for 30 or so years in medicare/government healthcare? Either the fat has already been cut, or it isn't going to GET cut. It would have been cut already. It's a pie in the sky bullshit way to pay for something that isn't going to work. I know it, Obama knows it, and most of the American public knows it.

I'm an Obama supporter, but he makes it difficult sometimes when he says stuff like that. I don't believe it at all.


Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 01:23 PM

 
 
good to see you writing columns now, although i have to say i would like to see you write columns under the name shockmaster too as thats how we all know you. Jason Douglas just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Posted By: stronelis (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 02:35 PM

 
 
Jeez, you HAD to use your real name? What's up with that? I really had hoped that it was Ed Leslie making comments on all the political posts, in between snorting cocaine at his job as a token booth operator on the MBTA. It's soooo hard to deal with when a young man's dreams die a violent and needless death.

Then again, I guess those people that hide behind an alias really do have some screws loose or something. Can't trust those crazy bastards, right Spork?


Posted By: Krunchy (Registered)  on September 11, 2009 at 02:56 PM

 
 
You sold out Shockmaster!

Posted By: Da Man (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 03:06 PM

 
 
Welcome to the zone, Shockmaster JD!

Posted By: Crow21 (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 07:04 PM

 
 
I actually wanted to stay with my screen name, but Ashish seemed to think a political blog from a guy named Shockmaster wouldn't be taken seriously. Go figure.

Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered)  on September 11, 2009 at 08:42 PM

 
 
Juggernaught - Obama doesn't have to raise taxes, he just wants to remove the irresponsible tax cuts for the richest few people in the country given to them by the previous President.

Posted By: Finn (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 09:09 PM

 
 
Juggernaught - Obama doesn't have to raise taxes, he just wants to remove the irresponsible tax cuts for the richest few people in the country given to them by the previous President.

Posted By: Finn (Guest) on September 11, 2009 at 09:09 PM


There you go, being fuckin stupid. I'm not rich, and my taxes went down under Bush. Try cutting giveaways to the useless. Get rid of welfare...go back to the maxim "If you don't work, you don't eat" and this country would turn around in about a year.


Posted By: Realistic (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 11:32 PM

 
 
Ummm....removing tax cuts equals raising taxes. And he's going to need to do it to a lot more than a few wealthy people. We are deeply in debt. We have to pay those bills somehow...

Posted By: xjuggernaughtx (Guest)  on September 11, 2009 at 11:36 PM

 
 
He wouldn't let you use a nom de plume? That Bastard! Some of the best political figures of all time worked under false names, people like Madison, Hamilton, and Jay with the Federalist Papers as Publius: The still unknown Junius, who wrote the Letter of Junius: and of course Long Dong Silver, the man who made Clarence Thomas what he is today.

I guess not being able to use Krunchy for my name in a column is probably reason number 9 of why I don't have a permanent slot on 411 (number one is I don't necessarily have strong opinions either way, which is why I thought I was very good at FoF. I probably could've taken both sides in every question given!) Shockmaster built up a persona over the years on here, nothing like taking advantage of a brand name to sell it!


Posted By: Krunchy (Registered)  on September 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM

 
 
if u haven't noticed the dems are trying to tax sodas, which gee who would that affect uh it would raise taxes on the middle class, plus not only do the dems want to go back to the old tax brackets, but they are also exploring a vat of 8 % on top of that, as for tort reform, yeah it's a fantasy, as the biggest lobby for the dems gee, would be trial laywers, and uh kathliene seblius fought tort reform in kansas for 8 years, and uh oh yeah her biggest contributiors were trial lawyers, if obabma did want tort reform, he would not say experiment, he would say absolutely will cap malpractice suits, and gee u would also get more doctors, as doctors are quitting because they have to pay malpractice lawsuit insurance out of there pocket, and don't feel it's worth it

Posted By: coby preiemsberger (Guest)  on September 12, 2009 at 01:38 AM

 
 
Yes Finn, because proposals like sin taxes, and federal gas taxes will ONLY effect the rich right? Only people making 250K a year or more smoke cigarettes, eat mcdonalds, and drive there evil SUV's to work every day. And exactly who do you think will get hit hardest with the absurd "cap and trade" bill that passed the house? Who gets whacked in the head hardest when monthly utility costs begin to go through the roof? The guy with 4 SUV's? Or the Single mother of 3 that commutes 40 minutes to work every day, works her ass off to put food on the table? You folks that vote democrat, never see the unintended consequences. You just buy into the typical left wing class warfare playbook. Get it through your head people, Obama doesn't give a shit about you. No politician does. He's Bush V.2 only he sounds smarter. Nothing more nothing less.

Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest)  on September 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

 
 
Talk is cheep and actions speak louder than words. WTF has this moron done since being elected? Not a damn thing, except talk.

Posted By: F The Right/Left (Guest)  on September 12, 2009 at 06:13 PM

 
 
Well said Shockmaster.

Posted By: Sting's Squadron (Guest)  on September 12, 2009 at 06:19 PM

 
 
Talk is cheep and actions speak louder than words. WTF has this moron done since being elected? Not a damn thing, except talk.

Posted By: F The Right/Left (Guest) on September 12, 2009 at 06:13 PM

You have strong point. What has that idiot in Washington done since being elected, and yes, I do mean the messiah, you call POTUS. He has done nothing, but talk. Talk is cheep, except when you live off the tax dollar. Who the hell is paying for this moron's trips and everything? I doubt he is. Defict rises even more. This guy is a damn joke of a leader. Hell, you all bash Bush for neglecting America, he didn't neglect our security, okay after 9/11 he didn't. But this jackass is trring to close GITMO and send the terrorists we locked up back home. Sounds like treason to me. Oh well, I know that I will be voting this coward out of office as soon as possible. I will never elect another one like him either. This experiment has failed and it has only been 8 months.

Barack Obama = EPIC FAIL


Posted By: Independent 4 Life (Guest)  on September 13, 2009 at 04:16 AM

 
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