Conservative Protesters Storm Washington DC
Posted by Joe Rivett on 09.14.2009
While the silent majority continues its silence...
I was shocked to read that about tens of thousands of conservative activists showed up for a protest in Washington DC. I wasn't shocked to read their signs or complaints. One protester held a sign saying he voted for the real American… nice. Another protester freaked out about Obama turning us into a Socialist nation despite the fact that he is willing to forgo a public health care option.
The major topic was tax and deficit complaints. I've looked at my paycheck over the last year and it went up due to Obama's "Making Work Pay" tax cut. As far as I know, there weren't conservative protests after Reagan's and Bush II's deficits. At least Reagan rebuilt the military while Bush added an Education and Medicare entitlement. (An interesting side-note: Joe Wilson voted to create the Medicare entitlement which reimbursed hospitals for treating illegal immigrants!) As I continued to read the article, I started wondering if these Tea protests are the conservative version of Vietnam protesters.
These protesters are making me feel bad for Obama. When they start complaining about giving a speech to students, I have to wonder if there is anything he could ever do that is right?
I guess protesters are annoying in general. Bush II's protesters were no better with their Nazi/Fascist/Terrorist/Not My President/War Criminal attitude. Maybe I can't stand protesters because I have a job, a wife, and a child, or in other words: a life. If I'm going to march to Washington it is going to be for something very important, not a deficit during a recession which any economist will tell you is necessary.
As of now, I'm pleased with Obama's job. The economy he inherited is beginning to stabilize. He has kept the Fed Reserve Chairman and has hired competent people including his Supreme Court choice. His foreign policy record is off to a better start than Clinton and unlike his predecessor, we haven't been attacked on his watch. The US is respected in the world once again and maybe there will be health care reform that tweaks the system enough where I don't have to worry about bankruptcy if I get cancer or some other sickness.
Maybe I'm just a member of the 2009 version of a silent majority. I'm sure many will post his declining poll numbers, but when Obama's ideas are pitted against the opposition's idea, Obama still wins.
Before I close, I will say that one difference between the protesters of Bush and Obama is that it appears Republican politicians too often agree with the protesters. Congresswoman Jean Schmidt told a birther that she agreed that Obama isn't American. Let us not forget Palin's death panels or Grassley's pulling the plug on Grandma. Gov. Rick Perry talked about seceding! Finally, I leave you this quote from a GOP strategist that sums up how I feel:
Longtime GOP strategist John Weaver said the Wilson incident isn't a "huge deal" by itself, but "taken together with what's happened over the last eight years, it's symptomatic of what our problem is."
"We do have structural, demographic issues we're not addressing," he said. "But we also have tone problems. We could have the best policy ideas in the world, but we can't get anybody to buy them if our salespeople are angry. Nobody wants to hang out with a bunch of cranks."
Posted By: F the LEFT/RIGHT (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 03:46 AM
If the Internet has taught me anything (other than where to find porn), it's that if you have to invoke Nazis or Communists in your argument then you have no actual point. Or your plain fucking loony.
Another interesting difference between Dems and Republicans -- remember when Hugo Chavez called Bush the devil and Dems, like Charlie Rangel and even Nancy Pelosi, were tripping over their dicks to defend Bush? Yeah, Obama gets labeled everything from a fascist dictator in the making to a Machiavellian figure that lied about his own birth to get elected and no Republicans are willing to defend him except for John McCain (proving again why he's one of the few civil politicians on either side).
Posted By: Guest#1796 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 05:29 AM
Keeping the Fed Reserve chairman is just one of the signs that Obama represents 'business as usual' - a continuity of the Bush fiscal (and foreign) policy legacy. The fact that Republicans boo and Democrats cheer what is in many ways a third Bush term is testament to the brainwashing and lack of choice inherent in the current American political landscape.
Posted By: Spirit of '76 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 05:50 AM
Its so bad with the protesters that This Week with George Stephenous took a bunch of shots at them even the conservatives. The GOP overplayed their hand with Wilson's "You lie." We are getting some reform not the public option which is actually needed to make insurances competitive, but that is not American. Lets have more insurance monopolies, because you know that is how capitalism works.
Posted By: AFan (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 06:50 AM
I'm sure that there would be many economists that wouldn't agree the deficit is necessary. I personally believe it is, but I'm just pointing out that there are a variety of views on this one.
Otherwise, great column!
Posted By: Ingwa (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 08:49 AM
Silent majority? Are you delusional? His poll numbers are declining fast and his ideas continue to be rejected by the majority of people. I bet you think naming czars is somehow a good idea.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 09:27 AM
"...I have to wonder if there is anything he could ever do that is right?"
I'm telling you, Obama could come out and say "The Sky is Blue" and you'd get half a dozen talking heads from the right trying to find some fault with it for whatever reason. You'd hear everything from, "He's wrong! It's azure!" "He's colorblind!" to "Why is he talking about the sky when there are so many other important issues..."
Politics has gotten horribly irrational and petty in this country. People have become such idealogues. MOST protesters with these irrational arguments are out there because Obama has a "D" after his his name. These people protesting are probably the same 25% that still think George W. Bush was a fantastic and successful president. Think about that...that is 1 in four people. THAT is scary.
I think one of the major reasons for the problem is the 24 hour cable news cycle. It occurred to me when I was watching an interview with the late Walter Cronkite. There is too much news. Because they have all this time to fill, its filled with these talking heads with politically slanted opinions. Your Rush Limbaughs, Bill O'Reillys, Keith Olbermanns pontificate their point of view, and people rather than take the time to think about it, simply take it as gospel. They play to their audience and only rile them up further.
What bothers me, is that the opponents of the bill are using flat out lies to try and get the bill shot down. If you don't like the bill, find actual evidence and wording within the bill that you dislike. Use that to get it shot down.
I guess Bismarck was right. Watching the legislative process is like watching sausages being made, once you see how its done, you'll want nothing to do with the process.
Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM
I watch how "You lie!" has become a battle-cry for some of these idealogues. It makes me think about Senator Preston Brooks beating Senator Charles Sumner on the floor Senate in 1856 over a speech he gave in regards to slavery with is walking stick. How did some some people of the pro-slavery faction react? Instead of being abhorred by the brutality of the act, which left Sumner with permanent damage, they mailed him canes with notes like "Hit him again!" and one newspaper saying "We consider the act good in conception, better in execution, and best of all in consequences. These vulgar abolitionists in the Senate must be lashed into submission"
Now, I am not saying that shouting "You lie!" in a joint session of Congress is on the same level as physically attacking another senator. However, the reactions to what most would view as unfavorable acts are very similar.
Posted By: MydnitSon (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM
"...I bet you think naming czars is somehow a good idea."
I find it funny, the very same talking heads who are criticizing Obama for appointing 'czars' are the same ones who were encouraging Bush to appoint 'czars' for some of the very same positions.
Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Weaver has a point. The GOP has got to remake its image drastically and stop letting people like Limbaugh and O'Reilly control the message. People are not going to vote for candidates who appear to be placating the crazies and the irrational, or candidates who appear cranky. It's a damn shame that Republicans are forgetting just why Reagan did so well with the American people: he was an optimist at heart, who had the charisma to transmit that optimism to the American people. The Republican's don't seem to have anyone with those traits, and none are on the horizon. They've got to completely revamp their tone, and start calling out the loons and the stupid on the bullshit. At least Wilson sort of got slapped down (even if they kind of agree with his falsehood). But what about Bachman, who seriously suggested an investigation into whether Members of Congress are unAmerican? I don't remember much of a shoutdown of her from the Republican side?
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Just looking at the 9/12 signs, it appears that there isn't a cohesive reason for them to be there. It's quasi-libertarians, black-helicopter folks, racists, opportunistic Republicans, and just plain lunatics (Obama is a child-prostitution trafficker?.)
If they could actually channel this into something positive rather than smug self-satisfaction, it might be beneficial to the country.
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 14, 2009 at 12:00 PM
"As of now, I'm pleased with Obama's job"
Why?
The stimulus package disaster? Unemployment will hit 8 % if you don't pass it. What I idiot. There has been 800 jobs created in New Hampshire, 700 goverment positions. Oregon had a couple thousand jobs that only lasted a week.
How about being 2 trillion dollars "off" on the deficit?
Did you like the joyride in air force on over New York city? Its his plane.
I suppose you liked the apology tour. You know, were he changed history with how the cold war ended in Russia.
I bet you loved the special olympics quote.
Was it progressive to appoint Van Jones, a racist, commie, 911 truther to a czar position?
Cap and trade will"necessarily skyrocket" everyone electric bills. Even if J. Alexander denies the quote ever happened.
"maybe instead of getting that hip replacemnt surgery...you know it would be better to take a pill." im paraphrasing but you get the idea.
flag@whitehouse.gov...........enough said.
Obama can make it to New York for date night, why not on 9-11? Was he doing some community service after his speech at the pentagon? Nothing says remembering our murdered country men by planting a tree or cleaning up graffiti.
you might want to look up the word inflation.....its coming.
8 billion for ACORN. Voter fruad and tax cheating for illegal activties like protitution and bringing in illegal underage girls. Sound like a typical community organizer to me.
Face it Rivett, Obama can do no wrong in your book. It makes you a hack. You, zimmer, Dunn, Ashish, JAM, all sheep. You know his presidency has been a unmitigated disaster so far. Instead of admitting it, you attack tea partys, outspoken town hall protesters of the health care bill and Sarah Palin. Congrats, your officially a Keith Olbermann
HAPPY CINCO DE CUATRO!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM
"I find it funny, the very same talking heads who are criticizing Obama for appointing 'czars' are the same ones who were encouraging Bush to appoint 'czars' for some of the very same positions."
Actually, even though I hate Bush, his "czars" were only advisers.. Obama's czars are gaining executive powers!
Posted By: Spyke (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Great fucking write up here.
Posted By: Guest#2906 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Weaver has a point. The GOP has got to remake its image drastically and stop letting people like Limbaugh and O'Reilly control the message. People are not going to vote for candidates who appear to be placating the crazies and the irrational, or candidates who appear cranky. It's a damn shame that Republicans are forgetting just why Reagan did so well with the American people: he was an optimist at heart, who had the charisma to transmit that optimism to the American people. The Republican's don't seem to have anyone with those traits, and none are on the horizon. They've got to completely revamp their tone, and start calling out the loons and the stupid on the bullshit. At least Wilson sort of got slapped down (even if they kind of agree with his falsehood). But what about Bachman, who seriously suggested an investigation into whether Members of Congress are unAmerican? I don't remember much of a shoutdown of her from the Republican side?
Posted By: Michael L (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 11:18 AM
You want a shoutdown?
Michelle Bachmann is goofy, she is from Minnesota, the state that elected a professional wrestler for governor and a pompus ass, unfunny comedian who failed as a talk show host as a senator. What do you expect?
As for Limbaugh and O'Reilly tell me what political office they hold. In O'Reillys case, he is a hell of alot more reliable that the turds at MSNBC. O'Reilly has liberals on his show on a nightly basis, Olbermann, never.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 01:27 PM
Obama said he would end the patriot act, warrant less wire-tapping, he would take troops out of Iraq. Since he's been elected he re-authorized the Patriot act and warrant less wire-tapping and the troops coming out of Iraq have all been replaced with privately contracted mercenaries. If you still back this man, you are a retard.
Posted By: Dillrock (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 01:59 PM
There were at least 100,000 people there according to most media. Pretty substantial considering the majority were not professional protestors, unlike the ACORN and Moveon.org weak-ass rallies.
To call it a conservative protest is a little like calling the civil rights movement an African-American protest. Both issues captured the imagination and passions of people unting to rally against one thing. In this case, instead of rallying for civil rights, it was rallying against big government. There were plenty of independents and right-leaning Democrats at this thing. The energy was directed at all perpatrators of big government, not just Obama, so even guys like President Bush got hammered.
JD, the child prostitution sign was probably a poorly constructed reference to the recent ACORN stings where a man and woman dressed up as a pimp and ho and went into an ACORN office seeking advice on how to get a mortgage. During the course of the sting, since the ACORN representative seemed unphased by the fact that they were a pimp and ho looking to launder their income, they pushed the envelope to see how far they could go and mentioned they would be bringing in underage girls from Ecuador. This too seemed to not even phase the ACORN representative. As we all know, Obama got his community organizing feet wet as a trainer for ACORN, so, yes, while the sign was unfair and a bit out there, the reference was to the organization that up until Friday was going to be responsible for carrying out part of the United States census. More big government antipathy funneled through the face of big government, Barack Obama even though, yes, he was not directly involved in endorsing that particluar activity. Somehow, if President Bush was tied to an organization though that promoted this, he would not have been disassociated from it by the wing-nuts on moveon.org or the Huffington Post. No, I'm pretty sure they would have developed even more vicious signs tying Bush to that.
Posted By: Da Man (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 02:25 PM
"Unemployment will hit 8 % if you don't pass it. What I idiot."
What I idiot, indeed, John. Except that was before the revised number released by the White House after the fourth quarter numbers came in. See, when you don't say things like that, it makes you dishonest. What I idiot, indeed.
"There has been 800 jobs created in New Hampshire, 700 goverment positions."
Interesting that you'd pick a state that received one of the least per capita amounts of stimulus money. Cherry picking? Also considered dishonest unless you are literally picking cherries. You're not. You're just lying.
New Hampshire received less money because New Hampshire's unemployment rate was already lower than the national average, and there was a large shift in gvt jobs.
Btw, even if you discount jobs saved, even the WSJ admits there are signs it's working.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html
Disaster? WSJ doesn't think so.
"How about being 2 trillion dollars "off" on the deficit?"
See above, re: revised statistics due to new information. When you say things like this, it just makes you look like you have no integrity.
"Did you like the joyride in air force on over New York city? Its his plane."
Wow. The president gets his own plane now? When did they start this? 1943? Oh, they did?
Was it progressive to appoint Van Jones, a racist, commie, 911 truther to a czar position?
"Barely True" and "Half True." That's an over-achievement for you. That's almost 3/4 of being actually true!
"Cap and trade will"necessarily skyrocket" everyone electric bills. Even if J. Alexander denies the quote ever happened."
No need. It's right here.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1407952648?bctid=13816 82549
"maybe instead of getting that hip replacemnt surgery...you know it would be better to take a pill." im paraphrasing but you get the idea.
I get the idea that you'd rather lie than look it up. He was talking about the hard choices doctors and patients have to make, and he was speaking *hypothetically.* It's on youtube in full context.
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 14, 2009 at 02:28 PM
"O'Reilly has liberals on his show on a nightly basis, Olbermann, never."
Olbermann has liberals all the time. :)
"Obama said he would end the patriot act, warrant less wire-tapping, he would take troops out of Iraq. Since he's been elected he re-authorized the Patriot act and warrant less wire-tapping and the troops coming out of Iraq have all been replaced with privately contracted mercenaries"
See, *these* are completely legitimate reasons to question the president. DOMA, DADT, and these...
The RedState.com list that John ran through above is mostly bullshit or bullshit with an asterisk.
Posted By: J.D. Dunn (Registered) on September 14, 2009 at 02:32 PM
"Maybe I can't stand protesters because I have a job, a wife, and a child, or in other words: a life."
Your right buddy, I'm sure all of those protesters, that showed up for a weekend protest, were unemployed, single and without kids. Hell, they should have had a life and done something more important like watch football....dumbass comment
Posted By: dudeabides (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 03:11 PM
Dunn, anyone can write anything on the net. It doesn't mean its all true. Don't step in the bullshit.
Posted By: Cold Hard Fact (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 03:33 PM
'The economy he inherited is beginning to stabilize'
This is my big problem. It's not. Unemployment is simply ridiculous, and it's going to get worse. And there are plenty of economists that say that Keynesian economics aren't working, and will never work, and, in my opinion, these are the people using common sense. We have recognition lag with inflation, and it will kick in within the year.
And I've seen numbers that put the population of the protesters at over 600,000. I wasn't there, so I can't tell you, but I've seen 100,000 people from a birdseye view, and there were a shitload more than that at Washington. How many more, I can't say, but it did look a bit disjointed. Obviously a LOT of people there without a big picture, but they are very angry. I'm a huge fan of any group of people angrilly protesting big government, so it was enjoyable to watch, if nothing else.
Next, the reasons Congress defended Bush on his bullshit was because they are cowards. They were TERRIFIED of being labled as UnAmerican (whatever that means) in a time where being labled as such was career suicide. If they had had any balls to speak of, they'd have lost their jobs once, and regained them now. They're saying things now because their voters are piling their offices up with letters, and if they don't speak up, they get voted out for good.
People like Paul and Schiff have been talking shit on the people in power for over 10 years now, which is why I like them. I don't agree with everything they say, but they stick to their guns.
Also, Bernanke is a thief. Keeping him does nothing but make me think of Obama as Bush with a tan.
Lastly, are you really using us not getting attacked under Obama's watch as some sort of argumental leverage? Bush, Clinton, FDR, and Madison are the only presidents to have this country's soil attacked. Not being attacked should be normal, not a selling point. I've always thought the 'we never got attacked again' Bush argument was weak as hell, and this one is just as bad. IF we get attacked, he is solidified as a failure.
Posted By: The Man (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 03:36 PM
Joe... you need professiopnal help.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 03:37 PM
"As for Limbaugh and O'Reilly tell me what political office they hold. In O'Reillys case, he is a hell of alot more reliable that the turds at MSNBC. O'Reilly has liberals on his show on a nightly basis, Olbermann, never."
Being the most reliable cable news pundit is like being the tallest midget. You're better than everyone else, but you're still a midget.
The point is that O'Reilly is a venomous, hate-filled ideologue. You can't trust anyone that offers political commentary on cable because in the end they're all selling a point of view, not an objective analysis.
Posted By: Guest#2987 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 04:45 PM
The difference is NOT that Republican politicians agree and Dems don't. That's just wrong. How many Dem reps jumped on the "wrong war, worng place, wrong time" bandwagon? There is no difference other than whatever your association is, you feel teh OTHER ide's protestors are just a liiiittle bit crazier. People getting carried out kicking and screaming from town hall meetings when Bush is trying to speak. Or people chanting at Obama because he's done nothing but run his mouth for 6 months with nothing but negative results. Both angry, both have valid reasons.
Posted By: The difference? (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 04:47 PM
If Bush had a plane fly over NYC without notifying anyone, Dems would be up in arms and he would be crucified all over the news. Obama just gets an acknowledgment. Because he is the chosen one.
Posted By: wow (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 04:54 PM
If Bush had a plane fly over NYC without notifying anyone, Dems would be up in arms and he would be crucified all over the news. Obama just gets an acknowledgment. Because he is the chosen one.
Posted By: wow (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 04:55 PM
Joe Rivett, welcome to the modern political scene. It's great! You don't have to have ideas. You just have to come up with insults for people who disagree with you that are catchy soundbites. It's really easy for stupid people on both sides of the spectrum to make a name for themselves. If you are a conservative, and a liberal stands up and says something, anything, then it is your job to stand up and question that person's moral character without actually refuting all or any of their points.
For example, if Obama gave a speech and said he thought pederasty was wrong, then you can be sure Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity would call him Hitler and extol the virtues of man-on-boy love, simply because the devil Obama said it was wrong. If Mitch McConnell stood up on the floor of the Senate and said that, just maybe, we should try to have less murders in the United States, Keith Olberman would call him and idiot shoot his key grip on screen just to do it.
I'm a moderate, and there are many legitimate issues with health care, the economy, immigration, the forgotten War on Terror, and others that I would LOVE to hear about, but unfortunately we are deluged with Tea Parties, forged birth certificates, and Obama=Hitler. The worst part is that millions of people read these things and BELIEVE them.
Obama is not Hitler. Hitler systematically exterminated 6 million Jews and started a worldwide war that killed over 70 million people. To suggest that he is like Hitler in any way is insulting, but many people believe it because they don't like him. If I stood up and said that George W. Bush was just like Hitler because they both inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide, millions of people would cheer.
To the third of the country that watches Hannity/O'Reilly and listens to Limbaugh, Obama will never do anything right. Ever. For any reason. He could punch Osama Bin Laden in the face and they would find something to bitch about, because Limbaugh has to fill 4 hours with something and his audience wants liberal heads on plates. It's really sad.
Posted By: General Sandoval (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 05:01 PM
Eh who cares we can just piss on the bill of rights, constitution and spit on the flag and let Obama speak on TV more then any other president EVER because it seems its the only thing he knows how to do and there is some sort of brainwashing method in there just wish he would not have sent that tape to the FBI and CIA before the people!
Posted By: Daniel (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 05:31 PM
'I'm pleased with Obama's job. The economy he inherited is beginning to stabilize'
Too bad he had nothing to do with it.
Posted By: Mikel (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 05:39 PM
"Now, I am not saying that shouting "You lie!" in a joint session of Congress is on the same level as physically attacking another senator."
Then why bring it up at all?
"However, the reactions to what most would view as unfavorable acts are very similar."
Ah, I see, to compare the outcomes of two entirely dissimilar events validates the absurd comparison?
Posted By: Guest#1411 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 05:43 PM
Dunn,
What I idiot, indeed, John.....typo, when I saw it, i new you would be the one to get me.It ok, I can take that, I can not let you call me a liar or question my integrity.
Since you didn't say anything about flag@whitehouse.gov,date night but no 9-11, day of service, apology tour, special olympics, etc.... I guess you either have not found a left wing site to quote or I am "half" truthful in those respects.
8 billion for Acorn, well they are eligible for 8.5 billion of federal funding made available through stimulus. I was trying to make quick quips. You keep quoting politifact, they are a left wing outfit that defends ACORN at any cost. Newsbusters had a great article showing the left wing bias on this very subject.
newsbusters.org/.../biased-politifact-com-covers-acorn-attacks-michele -bachmann
Cherry picking New Hampshire.......dude I also mentioned Oregon. Are you cherry picking my cherry picking. Here is a article backing up my argument about Oregon stimulus jobs only lasting a week www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99NA4VO3&show
Stimulus needs to be passed or 8 % unemployment and 2 trillion off on deficit, lame argument Dunn. "REVISED" numbers do not work. THEY GOT IT WRONG. Plain and simple.
Obama direct quote from the town hall,Obama: "...at least we can let doctors know, and your mom know that, you know what, maybe this isn't gonna help. Maybe you're better off, uh, not having the surgery, but taking, uh, the pain killer.".........how am I dishonest about that?
Van Jones is a scumbag.
Stand by the fact that cap and trade sucks.
I find it ironic that your the only person on the face of the planet who is trying to spin the air force joy ride. I would think Obama would need to know were air force one is in case of a emergency. Again quick quip, you spin it for some cheap point.
As for redstate.com........on my kids, I have never been on that site in my life. Keep inpuning my integrity Dunn, makes you look bad, not me. As for a character reference, Crow and I agree on nothing, yet I bet he would say I am a OK guy.
Maybe RivettDunn is a accurate account of the way you sound bro.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 07:02 PM
When liberals protest the govt, they're un-American.
When conservatives do it, they're ultra-super-duper-American.
Posted By: Guest#1405 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 07:19 PM
To all you ass holes who are blaming Obama for the Air FOrce one thing, fuck you! He has no authority over it and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to attack him using something real because they're afraid to admit the truth; they hate taking orders from a black man!
This is why Obama will sweep the election come 2012! Good luck running some racist against the man who inherited EVERYTHING and has NOTHING to do with the current situation!
Posted By: Dan (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 07:36 PM
Ah Joe, you've stepped in it now! :)
Gotta love the ANGRY RIGHT!!
And seriously people, what's with all the Obama Derangement Syndrome?
Posted By: Crow21 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 07:47 PM
The problem is that a lot of you are so intent on slinging mud at the other side that you fail to see the problems that exist within your own party. I am a Democrat, but I have issues with some of the things that Obama has said and not yet done, now I also am knowledgeable enough about politics to recognize that being a President and having YOUR agenda on the books takes time (and every President goes through this, party withstanding). However, I also realize that History matters. I teach Freshman in college Political Science and one of the 5 basic principles of politics is that History matters. What the guy did before you matters. If we are where we are in 4 years and a Republican gets elected, are you same angry Liberal hating republicans going to blame your Republican candidate 8 months into their term? Or will you chastise the Democrats for the mess they got us all into. That's what the Dems are doing now and it's getting us nowhere. Politics will remain the same in Washington as long as we nullify common sense for the sake of partisanship. As long as we continue to ignore what's right for what toes the party line. Republicans and Democrats need to realize that to fix government we have to come together in a non-partisan way and try to solve our nations problems. Idealist...absolutely....but its not like the other end of the spectrum is working for us either.
Posted By: Kurruptbrother (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 08:16 PM
Another thing far right protesters don't do is start riots .... St.Paul repub convention.
Posted By: Guest#3117 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 10:08 PM
"Another thing far right protesters don't do is start riots .... St.Paul repub convention."
...because most police organizations are too apprehensive to do anything about the far right protesters when they get out of hand because many of those protesters bring loaded weapons with them. It's a lot easier for a group of hippies and police to get into it when all the stupid hippies can do is toss rocks.
Posted By: Guest#6691 (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 10:34 PM
If I hear one more person insinuate that Dems won't blast Obama because he's "the chosen one" I'll puke.
Obama's got more democrats questioning his performance as president than Bush had republicans questioning his performance when he was president, and Obama hasn't lied anyone into a war, gotten involved in outing a CIA agent, postured over whether or not to disconnect life support for a person in a vegetative state, or sat on his ass and twiddled his thumbs after a catastrophic hurricane.
Seriously, what the fuck?
Posted By: Zingy (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Dunn,
looks like I may be wrong after all about ACORN seeing that the senate voted 83-7 against giving them 4 billion dollars, Its a great day to see those scumbags you like so much brought down a peg.
By the way, do not blame the republicans becuase at least 43 democrats voted for this bill.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM
"gotten involved in outing a CIA agent"
Prove that in ANY tangible way.
Obama doesn't "out" CIA agents. He just shits all over them, then sicks his attorney general on them.
Posted By: Guest#7775 (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 12:08 AM
"If they could actually channel this into something positive rather than smug self-satisfaction, it might be beneficial to the country."
Well, you would be the resident expert in smug self-satisfaction, so I'll take your word for it.
Posted By: Guest#666 (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 12:13 AM
"Your right buddy, I'm sure all of those protesters, that showed up for a weekend protest, were unemployed, single and without kids. Hell, they should have had a life and done something more important like watch football....dumbass comment"
Ok, so I'm sure your boss wont mind you bailing on work for a few days to go down to D.C to protest healthcare reform.
i mean seriously, have you EVER taken a polisci class in your life? most protesters (and notice how i say MOST and not ALL) actually do fall into the political wingnut catagory, the reason being exectly what he said. normal people have shit to do.
Posted By: Jlevysan (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 04:16 AM
the economy is beginning to stabilize for businesses, not for the workers. unemployment is going to keep going up as companies learn and cope without those people. like my job, we were shorthanded. than after a while, we just accepted being a few people short as the norm.
banks are also cashing in on people being broke. in essence, the economy is getting better for all the wrong reasons.
Posted By: jd (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM
jd,
wouldnt that imply though, that the economy is taking the first steps to a full recovery? businesses who go without a few extra workers will begin to save money because they have fewer workers, and eventually this would add up to being able to replace the workers they lost. i mean its not much, but its a start...
Posted By: Jlevysan (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM
NICE WRITE UP!!! All of these IDIOTS would have something to say no matter what he does. If he said that water was wet, they would say he is trying to lead sheep to dry land or something. These are the true AMERIKKKANS that are out in full force. If all of his ideas are bad what different ideas have been given to get this country back on track. Instead of ignorant signs and shirts come up with a better plan.
Posted By: Rod (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 12:03 PM
"What's this ACORN story? I have not heard anything about it"
Posted By: ABCS Charlie Gibson (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 03:20 PM
Here's the thing. There are legitimate concerns about the costs of the bill, and vast disagreement about how those costs will be measured...
BUT...
These guys are protesting his birth certificate. They're protesting healthcare for illegal immigrants that is NOT in the bill. They are protesting the right to carry guns to a town hall discussion. They're protesting him speaking to kids in the classroom. They're protesting that Obama is a secret Muslim and not part of the REAL America.
At least when the left called Bush a fascist, there was a connection between the thing they were protesting (torture, wiretapping... all pretty much fascist techniques of control there) and the language of the protest. Here the language and the protest are so disconnected you would think the signs were made by Ralph Wiggum.
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 08:29 PM
Michael: "Silent majority? Are you delusional? His poll numbers are declining fast and his ideas continue to be rejected by the majority of people"
I was going to let this slide, but realise. Obama's greatest drop has been from his supporters, the town hall protesters and the right wing always hated him. His biggest drop in support has been from 18 - 29 year olds, and I would hazard a guess that one of the reasons has been his uncertain support for healthcare.
The left are furious that, after selling out Single Payer, he now looks set to hand away the Public Option as well.
The Right wing always hated him. The partisan left will support him just because he's a democrat. It's the new supporters that have fallen away.
Posted By: Ray Church (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 08:44 PM
STAY CURRENT