Republican Obstruction and the I Got Mine Theory
Posted by Jason Douglas on 09.15.2009
A look at the inner workings of "the party of no", and the role it should play in the years ahead...
First I'd like to thank everyone for their feedback on my debut. For those who missed it, this is Shockmaster, frequent commenter and new writer. I'd also like to welcome Grant "The Spook" Muioc, who will provide a vociferous conservative perspective to the politics zone. While I'm going to get my hands a bit dirtier this time, the spirit will be the same. I want to encourage analysis and critical thinking, not just fan the flames for maximum comments. The more participation the better, as long as it's constructive. On with today's topic.
No matter the subject, a person's perception on any issue is usually tied to their own experience. This is a decidedly unscientific way of analyzing something. If you were told a study revealed something you found controversial, then told the study was of one person, you would immediately reject the finding. Yet when that one person is YOU, all of a sudden you know the experience of the entire human race.
The concept of a world view based on personal experience alone belies a certain psychological profile in Americans. I call it the "I got mine" theory. If on the one day you went to the DMV the line wasn't a mile long, you would say the service is good. Garbage pickup is top quality until they don't haul away your bulk item. Streets are well maintained unless you're the one who hit a pothole. Medical care is great until you are denied treatment, treated poorly or inefficiently, or have a bad outcome because the doctor was careless.
At Obama's health care speech we all saw the group to his left. There were only withered, sour white faces everywhere. About every twelve seats one woman could be seen, seeming out of place next to those all around her. It had been some time since I saw the entire Congress all together, and it was startling. The right side of a body of government which is supposed to represent its citizens instead looked like a club for old rich white people, convened to continue the consolidation of wealth in the hands of those who look like them. There they were, fighting against the treatment of sick people, saying it's too expensive. What constitutes something being too expensive? Let's take a closer look.
The Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been ardently defended from the start as worth not only a massive price tag but also a huge death toll. Most of the dead are not Americans, so of course they don't count. In theory, these wars ultimately help stabilize oil prices by installing governments which are friendly to us. Since that helps the businesses these GOP politicians have a personal stake in, directly or through campaign related connections, they are worth the cost. Tax cuts for the rich, which were supposed to trickle down, were worth the cost, we have been told. When it comes to caring for the sick, however, the national debt, never a priority to the GOP before January 20th of this year, is suddenly more important. Republican obstruction has nothing to do with the destructive effects of massive debt. They have proved consistently that just like Democrats, it's acceptable to them to break the bank in the long term for political and personal gain.
So why does the party of Christian values scowl at those in need? When someone knows the right people and can work the system to their own advantage, they see no problems to fix. They've got theirs. Just do what they did! The flaw in this logic, of course, is that we can't all do that. Low wage workers are denied a realistic minimum wage increase because it will hurt their employer's bottom line. In an economy where we can't all be lawyers, doctors and accountants, we do not have a level playing field. While it is possible for ANYONE to succeed, it is impossible for EVERYONE to succeed. As far as Republicans are concerned, as long as they get theirs, the system works. Any attempt to change it is dangerous since they have nothing to gain. But what about the rest of us?
It stands to reason that if the average American's wages stagnate or are eaten up by added personal costs like health insurance (or a huge bill for those who don't have it) then over time we will consume far less, meaning more layoffs due to decreased demand, and a vicious circle that could destroy our economy. Try starting a poker game with one player holding most of the chips. That's what those on top advocate, simply because they happen to be ahead. This helps no one, and it's time a large segment of the population stopped voting against their own interests.
Fear not, conservative readers. This is far from a claim that Democrats should run everything. As mentioned above, they are just as willing to serve their own interests at our expense. I encourage conservatives to bring pressure on your party to be something worth voting for. The rich elites and fringe lunatics are destroying your party, the only thing keeping Democrats from going berserk with their own orgy of excess. Between eight years of Bush and six years of Blagojevich in Illinois, I have seen the horrors of either side having dominant power. It's time we stop letting them play the people of this country against each other, and use that tactic against them. A viable third party is a long way off. In the meantime, we need to realize that the best we can do is keep these two sides in check, lest they wreck the country. In the years ahead, we will need someone to say "no" in Washington. It would be far more effective if it didn't come from greedy, old white men and misguided teabaggers who are duped into thinking their side really cares about "traditional values". Bush did next to nothing on abortion, just as Obama won't spend any political capital on gay marriage. Stop voting based on things your candidate will never take action on anyway, and place a priority on defending our standard of living. This is our country, and it's time we got ours.
That's only because people here are too dumb to understand they can vote for someone without a (D) or (R) beside their names.
When that level of thinking is broken, things will change.
Posted By: The 8th Samurai (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 12:05 PM
good colomun
Posted By: mazzacare (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 01:06 PM
Jason, (ah hell...Shockmaster),
Let me just say, while I disagreed with you on your commentary more than I agreed with you, and at times found you flat out obnoxious; I must say I am really impressed with your articles thus far. Fairly even handed and well thought out. Kudos.
Posted By: MydniteSon (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 01:29 PM
In a country based on capitalism, there is really only one law...Darwin's Law. It's a country based on gaining money. If you can't gain money, get on the first plane to Canada or Mexico....oh wait, you can't afford a ticket.
That is my view on america..politically at least. And it's also why i'm quite sure i will die uninsured. What can i say...Survival of the Fittest.
Posted By: the dude (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 02:16 PM
So you want the goverment to make things fair? Who decides what is equal? Do I have to get by with less becuase someone sitting on their couch watching Oprah needs money?
While I think your article is well written and has some good points, it comes accross like you covet other peoples things. Your life will never be complete as long as you think other people owe you something.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 02:30 PM
So Republicans are considered the party of the rich, even though liberals earn 25,000-30,000 $ more a year than average? That conservatives donate more than liberals? For people who claim to care about the poor they sure show it by increasing sales tax, CRV tax, and a lot more taxes that hurt those in the bottom. After all, what's 5 cents more on the dollar when you're rich, right?
George Sorros, anyone?
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 03:17 PM
I think the republican obstructionists are doing something that for years the left has called democracy. If you dont like something, raise your voices and scream at the top of your lungs untill those in power have no choice but to listen. Bravo tea party people bravo.
Posted By: jeff albertson (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 03:37 PM
Well written, would really appreciate the work more if you would lighten-up on the stereo-typing. I don't mean typing with two hands but rather characterizing those you disagree with as scowling white men who only care for themselves.
Not a rheotrical question here. I am white. I am not wealthy and not a Republican. Nor am I a doctor, lawyer or accountant. I am curious though about the following.
I have heard this argument from several sources. " So why does the party of Christian values scowl at those in need?"
Let us take a closer look.
I am puzzled how those with Christian values would scowl at those in need of medical care by founding so many hospitals across the country that do not turn patients away while also naming the institutions after a Christian person. Such as Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital, Saint John's Hospital, Sisters of Saint Mary's Hospital, Missouri-Baptist Hospital, Depaul Hospital, Saint Anthony's Medical Center, Shriner 's Children's Hospital, Saint Louis University Medical Center or Barnes-Jewish Medical Center.
Is this just a cruel joke Christian's use to deny those in need? Under your argument, the Christian thing to do would be to turn over your resources to a government program in order to help those in need.
I fully admit that my opinions are formed for my personal experience. It is the only experience I have, well, experienced. I am open to experience someone else's experience,
One thing I have learned by my experience is to never label people who disagree with me as, stupid, misguided, greedy, flawed, duped or lunatics. To do so is to be dismissive of those whose personal experience is different than your personal experience. Under your construct, only your personal experience is capable of arbitrating the veracity of another's personal experience.
How is it that those on the left have transcended the backward thinking of the misguided yet have so little respect for the implications of post-modernism. Progressivism was created during the modernist era. Modernism as a philosophical tradition is dead. Long-dead. So how do these sophisticates continue to hold-on to modernist ideas of central planning.
I may have "got mine" and would like to conserve mine. I admit it. But I assure you the mine I got did not come at the expense of some other person's "mine".
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 04:00 PM
John: As it happens, I'm an accountant making good money and even paid off my mortgage very recently. While I'm by no means wealthy, I'm doing very well compared to most. My first job was working part time at Target for $5.75 an hour while in college. Many of my coworkers were full time, and somehow supporting families on that income, as well as second jobs in some cases. It was the hardest I ever worked, and I have never forgotten the experience.
Try catching a bus, finding anything stocked on store shelves, getting a waitress to take your order, etc. without the working poor. They are a vital part of our economy, and by extension our way of life. There is a terrible irony in under valuing the work they do, then claiming that because they don't pay more taxes on the income they don't receive, that they're not contributing to the system. Nobody mentioned welfare here. I'm talking about those who work themselves half to death for a pittance, then hear crabby old Washington millionaires, living the high life in part due to tax cuts which mainly benefit them, telling those who keep the country going that their health is not a priority. The only thing more perplexing than the claim that an economy works best with the wealth concentrated in few hands is how many people believe it. I don't advocate giving things out for free, but those working 40 hours a week should be able to put food on the table.
BKS: For the purpose of this article I was focused on the wealth of politicians, not saying all Republicans are rich. That's why I said "it's time a large segment of the population stopped voting against their own interests". Everyone right now screams about lobbyists and how corporate America is running our government, which I think is true. But if people ignored political ads and all the rest of the partisan nonsense, it wouldn't be this way. If the candidate with half as much cash in his coffers still won because he had better ideas, office holders would answer to us, not their contributors.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 04:15 PM
The Dude
Darwin's "law" is the theory of genes being passed from parent to offspring- "Survival of the Fittest" is a term created by a British Economist, and became very visible in the modern context after the publication of “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair.
Darwin did use the term, but only much later and because the term was associated with his theory incorrectly- but modern Biologist don't use it because that's not what "Natural Selection" means... Maybe you don’t have healthcare coverage because you failed in school?
Thanks for the shout out Shocky- good work so far…Spook
Posted By: Grant Muioc (Registered) on September 15, 2009 at 04:20 PM
Just wanted to say "great stuff, man. Keeps it ups."
Posted By: 2nthaPink,1ndaStink (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 04:58 PM
AdmChesterMynutz:
I wrote "The right side of a body of government which is supposed to represent its citizens instead looked like a club for old rich white people"
So my statement was actually that those in Washington are perpetuating a FALSE image of what I see the average Republican as being. If some person from another country, with no bias or direct stake in American politics was watching that speech, the image they got of the Republican party is exactly what I described. I know conservatives aren't a bunch of rich, racist tyrants. But when those you elect give off that impression, it reflects badly on all of you, hence my appeal to reassess your leadership. I believe you guys have a lot to offer this country, but right now it's the worst among you who are vocal and prominent. I take no smug pleasure in pointing that out; I want it to change.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on September 15, 2009 at 05:24 PM
I'm Sorry, but you lost me at the minimum wage. It's not or never was designed for people to live off, it was supposed to a starting point for very young people getting into the work force. You very first job. Raising it only hurts small business as the big ones can afford to pass off the cost to customers. Hell why don't we just make it $20 or $30 an hour and then everybody can live happy while the bag groceries and stock shelves
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 05:51 PM
"So Republicans are considered the party of the rich, even though liberals earn 25,000-30,000 $ more a year than average?"
The Republican party is considered the "party of the rich" because on average more majorly politically active Republicans, the group of people most likely to have an influence over the direction of the Republican party, tend to be rich.
also, liberal and Democratic are not the same thing, just as conservative and Republican are not the same thing I know conservative Democrats, and I know liberal Republicans
Posted By: Jlevysan (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 06:41 PM
Shockmaster,
I did not mean to say you personally were envious of others life styles or posessions. I might have been able to word that better.
I have a similar situation of being out of college, at a dead end job throwing lumber. I did some self evaluation and decided to bust my ass and climb the latter by out working everyone else. It worked. I did not get anything given to me, I earned my spot. That's what frusterates some of us on the right that see people with a sense of entitlement. Its not fair someone has X. Its tired.
I don't hate rich people, they have payed me well for my services. All they ask of me is hard work. I would never think that its a good idea for a goverment body to decide what's fair. Minimum wage positions are not supposed to be living wage jobs bro. All you will do is kill the job market if you were to impliment a policy such as that.
Maybe I have it all wrong, I should start a underage brothel of illegal girls and get ACORN to help me. Seems to be acceptable with community organisers trying to help the poor all accross the country.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 08:02 PM
"The Republican party is considered the "party of the rich" because on average more majorly politically active Republicans, the group of people most likely to have an influence over the direction of the Republican party, tend to be rich.
Posted By: Jlevysan (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 06:41 PM"
Bill Gates, Oprah, George Soros, just about every politically active actor, University Professors who force students to buy their books and don't bother reading them in class? Yep, all good old fashion poor liberals.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on September 15, 2009 at 09:03 PM
Guest: I never stated that the minimum wage should be dramatically raised. I know that would be impractical. As has been the case throughout history, our nation was built on slavery, then near slavery via immigrant workers making almost nothing. Today it's cheap labor from those without better options or a marketable skill. Never has there been a society where everyone was affluent. I'm just saying the least we can do is ensure that the working poor can eat and see a doctor when they need to. I would gladly give back the extra $20 a paycheck from the Obama tax cut and the $14 a check from Bush if it helped make that happen.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on September 15, 2009 at 09:04 PM
"Minimum wage positions are not supposed to be living wage jobs bro. All you will do is kill the job market if you were to impliment a policy such as that."
It doesn't matter what they're supposed to be; it matters what they, in reality, are. I don't think we should inflate the price of minimum wage to insane levels. But given that we now live in a service economy where the vast majority of America now sells shit instead of producing it, we have to acknowledge that those low-paying service jobs need to be at a level where someone can sustain themselves.
To say the only solution is that people need to work harder is ridiculous because many of these people do work hard, and work two to three jobs on minimum wage to provide for themselves. I was right there working with those people when I was in college. And then I became one when I graduated from college because I had the misfortune of being born in the mid '80s so the economy was shit by the time I got out. The only reason I was able to right my situation was because I joined the military. But I still see many of those same people working multiple minimum wage jobs so they can provide for themselves and it's sad.
What's even worse is when the auto industry went tits up, I remember the anger people had over the fact that the auto workers were making $20 to $30 or more for their specialized skills. People thought that was too much. And now $10 is too high for minimum wage. So I'm really confused what people expect the rest of us to make. Shit, I know people bitch about how much us service members make, and since I'm only an enlisted grunt so I barely make around $15,000-$16,000 for my base pay. I'm not sure if I even clear $20,000 after the additional benefits. So what is a fair living wage?
Posted By: Guest#8831 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 03:22 AM
I would get SO lambasted if I wrote that exact same article. I love it!
How do you factor into your thoughts the fact that many of the programs that the Democrats put up happen to help those on the bottom end of things? I have heard precious few arguments that a public option wouldn't be great for those that are the "working poor"; the primary arguments (well, reasonable arguments) I've heard are affordability and economic fairness.
BTW - I too have one of those stories - I worked as a deputy sheriff in New Orleans right before starting Tulane. Gotta love monitoring inmates as a skinny eighteen year old without a gun or a nightstick since you're going to leave for college before you finish the probationary period to get those things. You get to see a lot of the legal system and why people are where they are, which has shaped a lot of my viewpoints.
To the Adm and John: I think one of the key phrases in Jason's piece: "In an economy where we can't all be lawyers, doctors and accountants, we do not have a level playing field. While it is possible for ANYONE to succeed, it is impossible for EVERYONE to succeed". There ARE a scarcity of resources, and we do not all have equal access to these resources. The fact that you earned your spot does not mean that everyone had equal competition to you getting your spot. Going to an extreme example, Paris Hilton had considerably more opportunities than most of those on this website because of who she was from birth. It is obviously silly to compare what is available between any of us and her. Why is it, then, that those that did succeed are so quick to compare themselves to those that did not? The rubric, in my opinion, to use to judge these sorts of things can't be a comparative one, but a subjective one. So who does one look at for this judgment? The people that are worst off while still doing things the way they "should". That will not be you, myself, or Jason... and it would not be the welfare person sitting at home watching Oprah. It would be that "working poor" person, and the obstructionism is hurting that person the most.
Posted By: J. Alexander Mitchell (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 08:09 AM
John:
I hate entitlement as much as you do. My nieces are being spoiled rotten, and I just shake my head thinking about the wake-up call they are in for when they grow up. I'm twice as productive as anyone else in my office, and feel guilty about taking a sick day. I was employee of the month at Target out of 200 people because even for the pitiful wage they paid, I was on the clock, and not giving my best just wasn't an option. We all know slackers who do just enough to keep from getting fired. But they are still outnumbered by those who work hard, and I don't want good people to hurt because they can't be compensated more fairly without also giving to the lazy.
If every person in a low paying job enrolled in college today (pretending there's enough space in colleges for them all), once they all graduated there would be chaos. We don't have good paying positions sitting vacant, waiting to be claimed by those with initiative. In fact, an exponentially larger applicant pool would drive salaries for good jobs down. This is why I find the old "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" argument a bit disingenuous. As a principle it's great, but it ignores the reality that there's only so much prosperity to go around, and those working hardest are usually the worst paid.
I see taxpayer funded health care as a way of saying "You will never be paid what you deserve, but here's something so your life will suck less". Unfortunately the President has thumbed his nose at a single payer system because the 70% of Americans who've got theirs won't go for it. The fact that in the years ahead they will join the ranks of the uninsured due to unchecked rising costs doesn't seem to phase them. Better to cling to a sinking ship than take their chances in a life raft. This is why Canadians and Europeans look at us and shake their heads.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Adm,
"One thing I have learned by my experience is to never label people who disagree with me as, stupid, misguided, greedy, flawed, duped or lunatics ... How is it that those on the left have transcended the backward thinking of the misguided yet have so little respect for the implications of post-modernism."
When you've decided you're above labeling, the next best thing is to imply labels through condescension.
Posted By: Huggie/Dunn Smug-Off '09!! (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM
A few years ago when cars were starting to be made people in the carriage business complained that too many jobs would be lost and the economy would never recover. Also a few years ago a majority of Americans were farmers/worked on a farm and when factory jobs began to become the wave of the future people complained we would never be able to feed Americans. People complained that computers would make people obsolete and that efficiency was not as important as people being employed. Yet we've survived all that because we live in a free market society where just because your job is replaced by something else doesn't mean unemployment will be hit. I mean, what would have happened if we'd listened to carriage workers back then just to save their jobs?
To say that if everyone were somehow educated those people would be hurt in the long run is a fallacy because we've seen this happen throughout history, and unemployment always bounces back up. Sure, there is a period of transitioning between economies, but that doesn't make it a bad thing.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 02:26 PM
J. Alexander Mitchell:
Coincidentally I think my last comment to John partly answered your question. I strongly support social programs, provided they are constructive for those who use them, rather than create a cycle of dependence like welfare before reform in the 90's. They're also great for times like these where contributors to our society just need help staying afloat until they can get work again. And as I told John, they're a fair way to partly make up for economic disparities that aren't going away.
During this decade, each party has advocated just cutting checks to almost everyone. One side justified it by saying "it's your money", while the other said "times are tough, here's a little help". It's the exact same action, but how it's dressed up determines who finds it palatable. I was outraged both times because it's symbolic and does nothing to address our underlying problems. The Bush checks were an outright stunt since they came out of that year's tax refunds. $600 from the Dems didn't save anyone from foreclosure, it was just an attempt for a despised Congress to boost its popularity. The moral of the story is not to fall for packaging. Democrats usually do the least possible to help those who need it so they can claim victory while minimizing the price tag to limit the political fallout. That's what I see them doing on health care, and it disgusts me. If they were who they claimed to be, they would bring dramatic reform and risk losing in 2010 and 2012, but keeping power is more important.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 03:37 PM
BKS:
I agree with your point about progress. I keep waiting for dramatic legislation to start us on the path toward energy independence, since it's our best chance at the next major transition. But no one seems to be willing to lead the charge, so we are stagnating. Meanwhile, if there were 500 qualified applicants for every professional job, employers could use that as leverage to hire whoever will work for the least money. A new technology would create an entire new job pool to fill, so it's really the short term (say, the next ten years) I'm worried about.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on September 16, 2009 at 04:09 PM
Shockmaster and J.Alexander,
You guys did see that I wrote that your article was well written and had some good points, didn't you?
I don't think we disagree as much as you guys are making it out to be.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 04:48 PM
"I agree with your point about progress. I keep waiting for dramatic legislation to start us on the path toward energy independence, since it's our best chance at the next major transition. But no one seems to be willing to lead the charge, so we are stagnating. Meanwhile, if there were 500 qualified applicants for every professional job, employers could use that as leverage to hire whoever will work for the least money. A new technology would create an entire new job pool to fill, so it's really the short term (say, the next ten years) I'm worried about.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on September 16, 2009 at 04:09 PM"
The problem I have with several green job advocates is that many of them want the jobs now, undermining free market enterprise, and demanding that the government force things. That happened in Spain and several jobs were lost (A study said they lost 1.5 jobs for every green job they created). However, if business do this by themselves than the jobs will help out the economy without hitting the unemployment too hard. Green energy is the future, but forcing it is not the way to go.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 06:12 PM
Great column, Jason. After seeing your first two I think I will make it regular part of my 411 Politics reading.
And John, I think they are making it out that you all disagree because most of the comments you've directed at them focus on antagonizing rather than finding common ground. For instance, it's been months now since the cap and trade thing with J., time to let it go.
(Sorry for sticking my big nose into things, btw)
Posted By: Scotty H (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 06:55 PM
"To say that if everyone were somehow educated those people would be hurt in the long run is a fallacy because we've seen this happen throughout history, and unemployment always bounces back up."
We already have a nation of educated Americans that can't find jobs. I have friends with college degrees that can't find work in their own field and are being turned away from retail jobs because they're "overqualified." Being educated today means almost nothing. I know people who even went further and have had like 3 or 4 internships and are still told they don't have enough work experience.
Posted By: Guest#0360 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:02 PM
John:
I do think we are largely in agreement. My impression from your comments is that you place a high priority on avoiding anything that smells of handouts, while I place higher priority on giving a hand to those who are underpaid even if deadbeats happen to also benefit. When it comes to GOP office holders, I think they scream about welfare and illegal immigrants so loud as a convenient excuse to avoid spending any money on the poor. I don't doubt their genuine distaste for funding deadbeats, and I actually share it. I just think even if there were a guarantee that only the legal working poor got help, the GOP would still oppose it. It goes to what I said about them getting theirs and not knowing what it is to struggle and have doors closed to advancement despite your best efforts. Their primary concern (and again, I mean those in Washington) is maintaining their own financial status and even further expanding it at workers' expense.
Democrats, on the other hand, have an image of representing the every man. They have to fight for the little guy even though their leadership is just as selfish. They're looking for corporate contributions now and cushy, high paying private sector jobs when they leave office. Since that means the working class get some help, I tend to reluctantly side with them on election day.
Posted By: Jason Douglas (Registered) on September 16, 2009 at 08:26 PM
And John, I think they are making it out that you all disagree because most of the comments you've directed at them focus on antagonizing rather than finding common ground. For instance, it's been months now since the cap and trade thing with J., time to let it go.
(Sorry for sticking my big nose into things, btw)
Posted By: Scotty H (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 06:55 PM
Thats fair. You would be amazed how often I say things that could be iterptreted as finding common ground that don't make the cut.
The antagonizing commments always make it through.
Posted By: John (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 10:33 PM
"We already have a nation of educated Americans that can't find jobs. I have friends with college degrees that can't find work in their own field and are being turned away from retail jobs because they're "overqualified." Being educated today means almost nothing. I know people who even went further and have had like 3 or 4 internships and are still told they don't have enough work experience.
Posted By: Guest#0360 (Guest) on September 16, 2009 at 07:02 PM"
Well, that depends, what did they major in? I have a few stupid acquaintances who decided to major in Philosophy, Shakespearean literature, and creative writing, and they complain that there is no job market for them. However, one of my friends majored in Chem engineering who will have an internship waiting for him next month while being a post grad.
Posted By: BKS (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 01:06 AM
"Thats fair. You would be amazed how often I say things that could be iterptreted as finding common ground that don't make the cut.
The antagonizing commments always make it through."
Controversy sells!! ;)
Posted By: Scotty H (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Huggie/Dunn Smug-off,
"When you've decided you're above labeling, the next best thing is to imply labels through condescension.".
Fair enough, I am not above anything, My questions may have been smug in your opinion and I accept your opinion may be spot-on correct, but they are honest questions, not statements. And if you have a response that addresses the questions in reasonable manner I would certainly salute you for a job well reasoned.
To summarize popper, our knowledge in finite while our ignorance is infinite.
Posted By: AdmChesterMynutz (Guest) on September 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Adm,
I'm not responding to address your "questions" in a "reasonable" manner. They were framed in such a way that excludes subjective interpretation of the extent to which "those on the left" participate in a given philosophical or sociological tradition. Also I am a little rushed and don't have the mental energy at the moment for such a discussion. Perhaps we can reschedule this mental masturbatory exercise for another day?
Posted By: guy that wrote the comment (Guest) on September 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Agree abou the "I got mine" doctine.
Western culture, in particular, is
very oriented around a subjective and individualistic view of things.
People are often too ignorant to realize how influenced they are by society when they express their viewpoints and opinions.
I took a sociology course at college and it really opened my eyes in regards to this.
Posted By: lilwayne1 (Guest) on September 20, 2009 at 12:00 PM